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/MILSPO/
>Trench Edition

>> No.12217671
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>>12217666

>> No.12217679
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w2c trench boots

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>>12217671

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>>12217679
Fucking love those boots
I was just gonna get black puttee's to wrap around some all black low/high tops

>> No.12217684

>>12217666
Me on the left

>> No.12217685
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>>12217679

>> No.12217691
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>>12217683

>> No.12217695
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>>12217666
>Trench Edition
Low-tier shit.

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>>12217685
Lol wtf!?

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>>12217698
"Then they were all like 'ahhh! Help! Save us!"

>> No.12217706

>>12217683
>>12217691
Why did they do it?

>> No.12217714
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>>12217706
To keep all the dirty filthy shit you'd step in a trench.
They were cheaper and easier to make than gaiters
And in my opinion look cool af when wrapped up high enough

I want to wrap some black ones around my leg with black denim joggers or cargo to add some texture and have something a little.bit different than the regular tapered moto joggers and denim you always see lately

>> No.12217719

>>12217714
You made it clear, thanks. Post fit when you do it, sounds interesting.

>> No.12217721

>>12217685
he literally looks like the real thing
>>12217671
>>12217679

go shit post somewhere else

>> No.12217730
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>>12217683
they are godly if they fit right

>> No.12217735

>>12217721
how is this shitposting in a fucking milsurp thread specifically taking influence from ww1 you retard

>> No.12217737
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>>12217730
I wish actual pantaloons like this were in style..

I think that's why I was so happy when tapered joggers started becoming acceptable to wear, cause they were the closest I'd be able to get to wearing ww1 pantaloons in streetwise clothes.

>> No.12217742

>>12217735
I'm pretty sure he was referring to the joke the other guy made.

>> No.12217747
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>>12217735
I think he was talking about the chicken run post, which I still don't know why was posted, is it the similar silhouette? With baggy thighs and skinny shins?

>> No.12217750

>>12217747
Don't worry about it, it's just some autist that hates knoch because he can't achieve the same levels of milsurp fits as knoch does

>> No.12217751

>>12217747
Love how absolutely perfect the pantaloons line up with the puttee's, it's perfect.

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>>12217766

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>>12217777

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>>12217779

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>>12217786

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>>12217801

>> No.12217824

>>12217777
>>12217779
>>12217786
>>12217801
>>12217821
horrendous

>> No.12217831

>>12217779
worst fit I've ever seen

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>>12217824
>>12217831
Lol seems like you guys enjoyed the ww1 stuff more

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>>12217845

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>>12217847

>> No.12217860

>>12217852
Why shitpost the only interesting thread

>>>/out/

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>>12217852

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>>12217860
Well considering I posted 99% of the pics ITT, I'd figure I'd throw in some MILSPO street wear for the plebs that don't like WW1.

>> No.12217988

>>12217852
Next time you see those ripped jeans ask them if it's from being on their knees too much

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>>12217984

>> No.12218146

>>12217984
Oh okay, I figured that it was just some dude trying to derail the thread

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>>12217679
A lot of older style riding boots with laces are similar in appearance.

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>>12217683
>>12217691
>>12217706
Puttees are great, but only if you won;t be taking your boots off for any reason. I got mine so I would have to wear my long boots all the time when I was riding.

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>>12218307
Forgot I had them actually. I should wear them on friday for the BBC filming.

>> No.12218335

>'Puttees on,' insisted the Corporal: 'puttees always in working hours.' We wanted to weep while we pulled the harsh trousers as high as our knees and wound the drab puttee from boot-top upward, till it gripped the trouser-hem above the calf. Then we pulled the slack of the trouser dropsically down again over the puttee to hide the join. It did more than hide the join: it hid the reality of our legs and was hot, tight and hideous, like an infantryman's rig.

>> No.12218417

>>12218312
This is a much cooler fit
BTW you REALLY need to get a shorter haircut, long greasy looking hair makes you look like a cereal killer, also grow a little facial hair, you look babby faced, good luck

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>>12218417
I'm hit and miss with fits.

Nah man, long hair is ace. All I get on my face is pathetic. Both conducive to when I wear dresses sometimes too.

>> No.12218455

>>12218435
Long hair with your face makes you seem creepy and unapproachable, I'd be nervous to talk to you

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>>12218455
I like what I like. Bit unfair, there's a lot to be said for a person in motion vs in still images.

>> No.12218502

>>12218435
I for one like your hair.

>> No.12218522
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>>12218502
Well much appreciated, it's significantly longer now. I tend to tuck it into hats so all I have to hand are casual shots on my new bikes. All in milsurp though at least.

>> No.12218535

>>12218435
W2c sheep lined coat?

>> No.12218536

>>12217679
Those are 20s-30s work boots as worn by SA and RFB paramilitaries during Kampfzeit

>> No.12218544
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>>12218307
that wrap is atrocious senpai

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>>12218535
An M1909, or swedish lifepelt. They come in white too, but I don;t like that. You can find them on your local ebay I bet, for an arm and a leg. If you're a dab hand at google translate you might want to do what I did and buy one off a swede. They go for 60-80 euro domestically, so even with shipping that's still good.

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>>12218544
You may be surprised to learn I'm not an infantrymen circa 1914. Also that guide is bugger all use, the japanese use a much longer tying strap on their puttees compared to western ones, and a slightly longer overall length. I followed a british guide but didn't get them tight enough.

>> No.12218604

>>12217852
swagfag

>> No.12218695
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>>12218604
Nice fuckin coat though.

>> No.12218773

>>12217852
The lower half really kills it.

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>>12218773
Just the meemzy's
the pants are pretty basic and nothing to hate, wish there was more fraying on the distress job though, other than that decent milspo fit, I wouldn't mind rocking that if I was cold and lazy

>> No.12218826

>>12218594

>Dachstein jumper

Excellent choice fampai

>> No.12220272
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>>12217683
Actual British WW1 pattern trench boots this company found in their basement. They used to make them, back in the day, like many other companies.

William Lennon.
The squared off toe made walking up and down sharply cut trench steps (cut into the earthworks) easier.

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>>12220272
I've often toyed with getting a pair, they still make them the exact same way they were made a century ago, same machinery and all. But desu senpai they're kinda ugly.

MTO a few weeks, but you can choose your leather..

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>>12220274
I'd get some just to say you have them, you could show your grandkids them someday and tell them how they were made like that 150yrs ago

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>>12220343
Yeah, it's not like they're very costly.
I have thought about it.
I'm just impatient, and the back and forth (to where I live) if the sizing isn't right makes me reluctant. I have trouble getting decent RTW shoes as it is.

Better get them while they're still being made though, I suppose. Trying to decide what kind of leather would do well. I saw a few years ago some boutique store online had ordered some custom collabs in this style in less functional leathers.

>> No.12220387

>>12218472
that fit would work better with a more traditional cableknit no zip sort of sweater

>> No.12220390

>>12218522
boots clash hard with the jacket in that. jacket should be worn with less era specific boots imo

>> No.12220511

>>12217679
I think those are actually french airplane pilot boots.

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>>12220343

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>>12221800

>> No.12222108

>>12220511
no, they're german from 1935 iirc. I emailed him about those some time ago.

>> No.12222263

>>12218312
Hey, it's Milsurp Maxwell back at it again. You always make these threads interesting dude, thanks for posting. What are you filming with the BBC?

>> No.12222542

>>12218594
if u sell me a german winter camo ww2 parka im gonna pay you
that or one of those early german flecktarns
not original obvs

luv u

>> No.12222673
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>>12218826
It's an excellent jumper.

>>12220387
>>12220390
I wear what's comfy. If the fit is good that's a bonus.

>>12222263
Something to do with inside out, it's in Brum city center tommorrow. I'm not sure I'll be shown, they want to film off the back of the rickshaw. The behind of my head might have a starring role.

>>12222542
You mean one of these?
http://www.epicmilitaria.com/splinter-camouflage-padded-parka.html

>> No.12222698

>>12217714
where to cop a parka like this?

>> No.12222758

Is this /milspo/ approved? They take a more subtle approach to the theme but overall it's alright I guess

https://www.realmandempire.com/

>> No.12222763

>>12222758
This is fucking neato for everyday wear

>> No.12222979
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Also you all need more camo in your life.

>> No.12223238

>>12222979
1st and last camo is best camo

>> No.12223289
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>>12223238
All the camo ones are actually the same designated pattern, but for some reason the Norwegians give no fucks about consistency.

>> No.12223509

>>12217714
Still waiting on this fit of yours.

>> No.12223566
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>>12223509
Still looking for black puttee's, is there any cheap milsurp sites that would ship to Canada for cheap??

>> No.12223632

>>12217666
Nobody has checked these trips yet?

>> No.12223796
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Is the old airborne jacket effay?

>> No.12224249

>>12223632
Nobody checked any of the threads continous.quads and trips, I don't even think new faggles even know to check them

>> No.12224463

>>12224249
>>>/b/

>> No.12225037

>>12222673
Ah right, I see. Have fun with the shoot anyway!

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>> No.12225196
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I prefer the paratrooper look

>> No.12225201

>>12217666
Reminder that if you wear military ropes and you've not done any military service in your disgusting life, you should neck yourself

>> No.12225207
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>> No.12225216

>>12225196
h-how do i teachwear x nazi paratrooper core?
oh god

>> No.12225246
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>>12225216

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>> No.12225260

>>12217988
HAHA XD that'll show em for wearing things i don't like

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Conscript core when?

>> No.12225270
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>> No.12226798

>>12225201
Military ropes??

>> No.12226804
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>>12225196
>>12225207
>>12225215
>>12225251
>Fucking love the Reich stag paratrooper core

Other than WW1 Tommy core this Is the 2nd best I've seen

>Also does this fuckin gook slave come with the SkS??

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>>12226804
>The Canadian AK

A HEAVILY modded SkS for you /fa/ggles that might not notice the bolt

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>>12226809

>> No.12226861

>>12218472
w2c wool trousers like those?

>> No.12226867
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>>12217666
Haven't seen any flightcore pulled off ever

>> No.12226870

>>12223566
make them yourself you dingus. It's just wrapped wool cloth.

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>>12226867

>> No.12226895

>>12222979
That second Norwegian jacket has officially gotten me into military surplus. Thanks Telnyashkabro

>> No.12226942

What are some good milspo leathers?

I thought about the A-2 but it's still similar to bombers, any input would be much appreciated

Asking here and on the leather jacket thread, pls no bully

>> No.12226977

>>12223796
F R I D G E

>> No.12227204
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>>12225196
good taste

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>>12222698
It's a Nicholas K Lennon jacket but I think they're sold out so I was gonna take a canvas OD milsurp parka and make it into something similar

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>>12226895
One day I'll have every variation.

>> No.12228463

>tfw you inherit the uniform of a Lt-Col Royal Engineer from WWI
>tfw can't do anything with it because stolen valour

>> No.12228866

>>12225201
I dont think anyone is thinking of wearing any sort of decorations (or at least i hope not)

>> No.12228983

>>12225201
You're right anon, you're the only one who should wear a rope here

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Can anyone ID the coat?

>> No.12229280
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>>12218594
Pretty sure the britshit ~90s shortputs are supposed to be done on the ankles and not higher

>> No.12229402

>>12229280
They're a lot shorter. Mine are Australian.

>> No.12230394

Anyone have any winter/snow camo inspo?

>> No.12230502

>>12218435
Well honestly I can't stand long hair/milsup clothes combo, it's just look filthy to me, you know the way all the hippies look. And I don't want to look like a dirty hippie, so then my hair grew longer I just abandoned all my military surplus stuff until I decide to cut my hair short

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>>12230502
Sounds like a bit of a weird hang-up if you ask me.

>> No.12231016

>>12230502
The reason why it bothers you so much and I as well, is because in the military you're not allowed to have greasey hippy hair, so over time we've gotten used to seeing anyone in milsurp or milgear with short hair of some kind,

added to the fact that long greasy flat hair in general looks gross and cringey or nerdy, and the fact that short hair (with the exception of manbuns) has been in style for a while now, exaggerates that feeling of disgust even more so.

>> No.12231086

>>12218435
you're a big guy

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>>12231016
I'll have you both know I take very good care of my hair, it's one of my prized possessions.

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>>12231908
And that's right, a wool T-shirt.

>> No.12232114

>>12218435
>why does he wear the mask?

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>>12232114
>is there a problem?

>> No.12232416

>>12218594
>>12218472
>>12223289
w2c those jumpers and zip sweaters

>> No.12232474

>>12232416

The jumper in >>12218594 is one of our Bundesheer alpine wool jumpers

These are the mother of all wool garments and really comfy in cold weather

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>>12232416

>>12218472
Is off Dubarry. I don't see it on their site anymore and I got it in a clearance sale so.

>>12223289
Is a USGI cold weather bear suit top. There are a matching set of overalls if you're so inclined.

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>>12217695

>> No.12234902

>>12233579
m8 check out Supreme's preview for their ss17, they basically made BW parka with discount alpenflagen camo
You oughta make some to cash in on the hype

>> No.12234953

>>12234902
Yes I saw it in the fleck meme thread.

>> No.12235825

>>12218312
>I should wear them on friday for the BBC filming.
I hope you mean the British Broadcast Corporation

>> No.12235831

>>12231086
>guy

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>>12235825
Since it was the BBC that means I've done both now, weirdly enough.

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>>12236638
That is to say, been involved in filming both before you all jump to conclusions.

>> No.12236741

>>12220274
Actual ones made in WW1 didnt have the rivet at the bottom

>> No.12236743

>>12223796
I personally really like them

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Would this work in milspo?

>> No.12239076

>>12239067
I can't believe you actually bought that man
remember seeing it in a recent cops thread a few months ago lol

>> No.12239079

>>12239076
I didn't buy it, my friend gave it to me after he took a welding course in Russia

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I just had to shitpost

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can anyone id this jacket or something similar? thanks.