/fa/ - Fashion

Being a model must be depressing. Only 28 and your career is basically done, and that's only if you're lucky. It's worse than being an athlete.

>>10509097
A decade of high paid work for looking pretty. How fucking devastatingly depressing

>>10509109
99% of models probably starve, only the top echelon live like celebrities

It's like the line of work where you know you'll NEED a definite backup career path in a decade's time. Maybe longer if you're a guy and take care of yourself (i.e. Gandy)

Plus, unlike athletes I doubt the vast majority of models can set themselves up for the rest of their lives with their career earnings

>>10509109
You got a wrong view on being a model

What does an average contract contain when you sign up at a model agency?

>>10509143
>Plus, unlike athletes

you're looking at this all wrong
there are a lot of entry-level athletes who do it on the side or earn fuck all
then there are the superstars in the top league of their sport in the best team earning 100 times the amount

its the same in modelling
they're all models in the sense that everyone in the scenario above are all athletes, and its the same in both that; no the vast majority cannot set themselves up for the rest of their lives with their career earnings

>>10509143
>99% of models probably starve
To be fair, even the wealthy ones are starving. It's part of the job description.

>>10509164
Bullshit. Whether it's a high-paying career or a temporary side job that allows you to pay your way through college, it can't in any way be described as difficult. The so-called "starving models" are still being paid more for less work than an average 18-year old working in the service industry. Being a model is a privilege.

>>10509057

He got way too carried on the hipster tattoo meme and then kaput bae

>>10509057
He's from north Texas originally. He's a trustfund kid so there was never a need for a real career. This dude swims in pussy 24/7 as well as travels. He doesn't even need to have a career after model life.

>>10509057
run into this dude all the fucking time. pretty nice, and a bit awkward. always with a different insanely hot girl, not surprising.

he's trying to branch out into painting now. went to his art show and it was amateur as shit. he probably knew it too and it was pretty uncomfortable talking to him about the work because you could sense his lack of confidence in it. there was a hubba bubba gum wrapper taped to the wall trying to pass as art, to give y'all the general vibe of it.

>>10509143
fashion modeling is a really unstable career. It pays well when it pays at all, but there's much less work than there are models. Add to that all the money really goes to an account set up in your name at the agency, which the agency fully exploits by making the money as nonliquid as possible and adding hidden charges, loans for travel, magazine copies, tearsheets, comp cards they just throw away, portfolios, web hosting fees, dilapidated modeling hotels etc. Everyone is talking shit behind your back and to your face too, can't even imagine how it's like for women.

The prestige you get and rush of being in front of a camera or on stage is addictive, though, even if you woke up at 6 in the morning and were sitting and waiting for 12 hours beforehand. You also get to meet really cool people and make connections that have every ability to secure you a decent job somewhere else in the industry or a similar one if you're smart.

>>10509057
>>10509097
Has Freja done anything since the British Vogue shoot with Kate Moss earlier in the year? She had a some very high profile campaigns in 2014, then basically nothing in 2015.

>>10509279
>>10509335
im generally upset.

imo if i was a trustfund kid id be studying literature and other languages on my parents dime.

>>10509403
>imo if i was a trustfund kid id be studying literature and other languages on my parents dime.
You can do both. People seems to think that there's some sort of cosmic justice where attractive people are born stupid because being both smart and attractive wouldn't be fair, but being a model doesn't preclude you from getting an education. Karlie Kloss is going to school to be a computer programmer, and Freja Beha talks about reading Tolstoy in interviews.

We perceive of models as being stupid because they're all very young, and very young people tend to be stupid.

>>10509403
literature really is the GOAT intellectual thing to study. mix in some art history and french and you'll truly achieve 'trust fund kid but tries really hard to act poor because being rich isn't cool to my peers'.

>>10509686
Literature is worth studying as an auto-diadact, but not worth actually getting a degree in. A true GOAT education would be someone who's interested enough in the arts to spend his spare time studying them, but gets his actual degree in someone useful, like architecture or mechanical engineering.

>>10509167
Anyone?

>>10510123
>According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the average annual modeling salary was around $32,920. More successful models will often make much more, and they will also be rewarded with free fashion products, like clothes, jewelry, and makeup.

Some of the bigger models who walk in haute couture shows can make thousands per walk, but that's not really representative of the average. The highest paid model is Gisele Bündchen, who made $47 million last year.

>>10510123
there's a standard contract on model mayhem.
a bunch of stuff, it's like 10 pages. generally you just work with the agency for x time (2 years mother shorter for other). Agree to pay them a percentage. Agree they can terminate you if you fuck up in any way and agree to arbitration.You have to tell them before you travel or shoot with any photographer / go to any castings. they agree they will try to find you work.

>>10510155
modeling is an industry of outliers. The average probably isnt even that high when you take the weight away. Cologne ads or campaigns can net you 20k in a day or two of work even if you're a nobody and pay out a smaller percentage year after year as long as it runs tho. Walking runway doesn't usually pay that much, there are some exceptions like VS.

Also depends on which market you work in.

>>10510170
I don't think it's meant to be a working profession; it's ostensibly a method of generating cash quickly for young women in order to set up their future careers, or to meet a rich guy that'll support them. It's a more respectable form of pornography, in terms of career path.

>You will never be Vlada Rosylakova in her prime, skelly queen of the runway

How to become relevant in the male model scene? Is there any way to get attention? Or do you have to rely on what agencies want to do with you?

>>10510776
It's super hard to make it, dude. You don't necessarily need to suck a bunch of dicks, but you need to be extremely striking (O'Pry tier), and have great connections (RJ). These days, developing a large social media following is probably the best thing you can do.
Male models are much more disposable than females, most of the time they're just used as props and eye candy because nobody gives a fuck about male fashion.

>>10510785
I feel you, I'm still in beginning status, already got some agencies showing their interest. So I want to do it right from the start.

>>10510791
Just hope that people like you, and don't act like a douche while working. Print work and contracts are more important for males, right from the beginning.
I can probably only name about 10-15 male models of the top of my head, and I've been following this stuff for years.

>>10510804
I know right! A neighbourhood boy I know has been on the front of first Dutch Male Vogue, that is the stuff you need to get attention.

>>10509057
Happy Birthday Freja! Miss the days where you were everwhere

>>10509402
>ywn be that baby

>>10510776
agencies, instagram, circlejerking in the clubs or parties they go to. get as many rumors about you started as possible, create PR. if just 1 person in the industry whose somebody thinks you're somebody then you're set.

more 'famous' people are filling modeling positions though, like mick jaggers son pierce brosnans son etc. and people like cara who have connections to prestigious families.

>>10511728
in ny people will literally shoot with you just for the number of instagram friends you have. The industry takes shallow to a whole new level and it doesn't even have to make logical sense. You have to just constantly jerk off to what's popular culture at the time. think manbuns and starbucks and tumblrstuff... it's revolting and they honestly believe they're being soooo original and cutting edge.

>>10511728
Hmmm... These people know what they are doing? Like, are they ironically circlejerking, or are they really that shallow?

>>10511728
I hear stories of girls being stopped in malls and I always assumed that recruiters only took looks into consideration. Are connections more of a male model thing?

You're all deluded and overthinking. If you live in a big city and you're good looking enough, you'll get scouted and it will work out. If not, then you're not good enough. period.

>>10509686
>mix in some art history and french
useless desgrees for 500

>>10512609
Rough day anon?

>>10512589
You heard right that scouts / recruiters from agencies are looking for models at all times. Sometimes they will go on missions to malls, but generally they just notice people and have them come in. They meet with models from agencies in other markets, they will fly even fly to see some, too.

They look for how you look in person, how you look in photographs but also your 'personality'. One of the first things the recruiters at re:quest, and IMG asked me is what are your hobbies and my background. Some agencies in nyc are starting to require models to have instagram (DNA comes to mind) and many agencies even have people devoted to instagram / social media PR maintenance for their models. I've been told it 'helps to get a feel' for the model and something to the effect if not word for word that 'some photographers look at the amount of followers before shooting with a model' I know I have been personally pressured to get one.

I guess there are probably some big name new models that don't use insta, but I can't really think of any.

Looks will get you in the door, but hype is very important if you're gonna make money and keep your contract. There are plenty of good looking people everywhere and most recruiters could really give a fuck about shipping anyone from anywhere to a shitty modeling hotel and put them in massive debt if the recruiter thinks it will line their pocket.

They stand to lose almost nothing.

>>10511802
I genuinely believe most people in the industry are just really dumb and have no idea that it isn't cutting edge, or that they're circle jerking at all. Others are really insecure, or get swept up thinking they're gods and lash out. It's really very cliquey and dramatic.

I know some smart models and recruiters and agents, but a majority are dumb and the smart ones feel they have to follow suit because of the enormous pressure to fit in and get work for the photographers and the recruiters and the models and... everyone not on the design side.

it's a do your time till you make it to the top kind of thing, from how I understand it.

how much does cara make in one day?

>>10513050
How does "personality" even come across in runway shows? The differences between the models are so minute in that context. Even in photography, it seems like having an interesting face supersedes any aspect of the model's personality. Other than a few exceptions like Freja or Cara, I can't think of many models where their personal style and idiosyncrasies are as worthy of attention as their looks. They all just look and act the same to a layman like me.

>>10512802
not in particular. no.

>>10514226
it doesn't come across in runway. Usually models are given general stage instructions and an attitude in runway if it's important.

Most photography sessions arent about doing your own thing either. sometimes if you get a commercial job to make ends meet for like... say sporting goods, or horseback riding or... gun shooting, it can be a time saver if you do said hobby.

tbh I don't know why, but if I had to guess. It's just cuz it gives you free pr for your niche.

I can tell you 'personality' does come out beforehand backstage for 12 hours sitting waiting, and after at the afterparties, or the events you're paid to attend / serve / greet at. It's a chance for a publicity write up / interview in some cringeworthy buzzfeed-esque magazine like nylon or fuckingyoung. It's a chance for conspicuous consumption.

It gives a 'feel' for photographers who want to typecast and pidgeonhole you into the top 10 photography trends of the moment. (I swear to god if I have to do another jump 'levitation' shot). It also helps them know they are reaching the biggest audience possible because muh numbers.

I guess it just gets people interested... It's always the struggle between capitalizing on whats in now and having a few models for the next trend. I honestly believe there will be a point in time where most models are celebrity cuz they are the easiest to build pr for.

>>10514500
So you say now is the right time to step into the model game? But don't you think people will get bored by models real fast? At the end they are just people who just happend to measure themself to beauty standards.

>>10514881
I'm saying that now it's starting to get harder for regular models to work as they get squeezed out of important jobs by people who have interesting familial ties or an easy sellpoint. I think the phenomenon will become more prevalent.

any oldfags remember when Cole posted here once

>>10515641
cole mohr wasn't actually cole mohr fam. Unless you're talking about something else.

>>10515641
It was just some tripfag

>>10515644
>>10515922
no, what I'm thinking of was at least 5 years ago I think

he included a pic