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im here to help. pic related is the sperry white leather plain sneaker. on sale right now at dillerds and other places for around 60 dollars. its probably the best youre going to do son.

>>10464740
I think zara may have some, but expect them to break after a few wears.

>>10464788
Looks legit, too bad they aren't all white

>>10464740
yes

cp's

>>10464806
XDDDDDD LOl do fun yes MAN

>>10464817
why are you here poorfag retard

>>10464963
haters are losers

>>10464740
Adidas Rod Laver

They look awesome for 90$

>>10464806
>no branding
>completely white

>CP has gold numbers

>>10464740
did you read the sticky?

Best you can get are prolly Gustin's white low tops. Basically CP (same design and materials) without gold lettering and no insane markup.

>>10465017
you forgot to mention the whole "shit quality materials" thing

>>10464740
Bulky real tennis shoes like Stan Smiths look nothing like sleek CPs. Just look at that toe box.

>>10465028
Gustin has the same Nappa leather and Margom sole as CP.
So what are you talking about?

>>10465044
On the contrary, what are you talking about?

Not all leather is created equal, even if they're both nappa. They make nappa doc martens ffs. Margom sole is obvious but really it's well known by now that the gustin shoes use miserable leather
>mfw I'm really wasting my time arguing with a shill

And don't come back with your employer's favorite: "they're made in the same factory lol!" because that's a brazen lie and nobody believes that shit

>>10464740
There was a collaboration between Adidas and Hyke. Seems they get some stock back in Europe soon. 139€

Compared to normal Stan Smiths, they made the heel sleek, toe box looks bulky as ever.
Still branded sole and perforated leather for Adidas' three stripes. Leather quality very low and thin as to be expected from non-designer shoes. Lining isnt' even in leather.

>>10465008
they are barely noticeable you fucking autist
you probably cant afford them thats why you use that excuses i bet :)

>>10465071
Who's telling you that Gustin shoes use miserable leather? They are rather new.

CP isn't exactly known for their great leather (check r/GYW). Traditional dress shoe makers do not use Nappa leather.
Most sneaker owners do not know how to spot good leather or care for it (24h resting & shoetrees & conditioning). So most sneakers look like shit after a year.

>>10465123
Fun fact:
CP changed their leather between somewhere around 2009 and 2011. They made it thicker, so now people claim that it must be better and criticize thinner competitors. Like thickness of leather has anything to do with quality..

>almost 2016
>white sneakers that aren't gats
>not just getting black gats


sure is reddit in here

>>10465182
GATs aren't that minimalistic nor are OR GATS any better than your low-tier Adidas sneaker when it comes to quality.

In reality that whole leather sneakers is a fad. Traditional sneakers are canvas. Casual material for a casual shoe.

>>10465270

>>10465123
literally back to reddit you retard

>>10465310
but r/GYW isn't the biggest fan of cheap casual shoes like CPs, which aren't even really goodyearwelted but glued, too. not that you could get new soles anywhere.

>>10465123
>directing me to reddit
>a board full of autists who are obsessed with boots
laughable post

Bootfags don't know anything about sneakers

>>10465123
>using reddit in an argument
>on 4chan
smh tbh

>>10465270
always liked erik schedin
never pulled the trigger on it though

>>10465017
looks nice
but having to crowdfund an order is weird.
never seen that before.

>>10465230
>shoe that's been around since the 80s
>fad

>>10465753
never was pleb before CP

>>10465230
Maybe, but MMM GATs are even higher quality than CPs.

Pic related:
MMM and OG GATs after 1 and 1.5 years of wear.

>>10465123
3 posts insulting you
can anyone tell me for sure that gustin uses a lesser quality of leather than cp?

>>10467322
Gustin started taking orders just this year and no one received theirs yet.
So hard to say for sure, but Gustin isn't known to skimp on material and is pretty transparent about what materials they use exactly. Tho $150 is pretty expensive for Gustin, not that you can currently find any other good leather (not starting to crease everywhere immediately) sneaker below $200 (ignoring sales/used).

>>10465907
Those are ugly as fuck.

Then again, so are all of the shoes posted in here you autists.

>>10467322
Here's the last cheap CP alternative for $150:
Axel Arigato after 6 months and ~50 wears with using shoe trees.

>>10465028
gustins are fine you retard

>HOLY FUCK, I NEED WHITE SNEAKERS
>I NEED THEM
>WHITE SNEAKERS
>WHITE SNEAKERS, BEAUTIFUL
>WHITE
>SNEAKERS THAT ARE WHITE
>I NEED TO PURCHASE THEM
>I NEED MORE WHITE SNEAKERS
>HIGH FUCKING FASHION, WHITE SNEAKERS
>WHITE SNEAKERS IS WHAT I'LL WEAR
>SNEAKERS THAT ARE WHITE ARE MY FAVORITE PAIR

>>10467425
read this in juicy j's voice. kekd hard

>>10467416
that's quite disappointing that the leather shows that much wear
how do you feel about them?

>>10467394
Do you know if any batches of their footwear have actually shipped yet? Seems to be that they just started offering them last summer, with expected delivery dates to be now at the soonest.

>>10467451
Nope, the best you can find are some gustin employers already having them.

Here's their CXL leather sneaker after 3 months daily wear.

>>10467322
it's not possible for gustin to be using the same materials and selling the shoe for $150 while turning a profit

The designers of cps took a loss with each sale when their shoes were priced at $260

>>10467394
>Gustin isn't known to skimp on material
they aren't? Last I checked gustin was only known for selling shitty denim that takes the better part of a decade to get to you

>>10467416
great example on what happens when you skimp on materials

>>10467487
these look really terrible

like really really terrible.

>>10467493
No leather shoe will like daily wear. There's no way for leather to ever dry.

>>10467491
>it's not possible for gustin to be using the same materials and selling the shoe for $150 while turning a profit
How do you know that? Just BoM is way below $150 and they didn't exactly have to design much.
They are pretty open about their production, don't see any skimping their either:
http://blog.weargustin.com/post/121050065889/how-our-sneakers-are-made

First CPs sold around $200 and this was in a time of low demand. Now every fashion designer wants their own leather sneaker produced in Italy.

>>10467491
>The designers of cps took a loss with each sale when their shoes were priced at $260
do you have a source for that? honestly curious

>>10467496
Are you a gustin employee or just painfully stupid?

I cannot think of any sneaker that looks that terrible after 3 months. my achilles were still practically box fresh at that point and I never babied them

for comparison: the top pair have been beaters for 18 months - you can even see the extreme heel drag. the bottom pair is from ss09 but I don't keep shoe trees in them

Those cxl high tops look like complete shit

>>10467522
can't see anything in that shitty picture.

it's common sense that you should let leather dry after wear. who knows if he even used shoe trees.

>>10467522
CXL behaves different than your nappa leather on CPs.
Loose grain creasing is common for CXL. Even on leather shoes that cost many times more than your CPs.

CXL is a very odd choice for a sneaker tho.

>>10466150
Those are so ugly it hurts to know you have two pairs. I have $40 Pumas that look better and similar

>>10467522
The gustins I've ordered supposedly use Nappa leather. Is this any kind of assurance of quality, or are there varying grades of Nappa leather with which they can cheap out, providing a significantly inferior product?

>>10467567
Of course you can get some type of leather in varying grades of quality.

Even for Margom soles, Margom might sell you the once that failed CP's QC.

>>10467579
> We use only the highest graded Nappa available
I'm not sure what to believe anymore
guess I'll just have to wait til december to see, though it's not as if I have a great eye for quality

>>10467565
you can get OG GATs for less than $40. was THE clean design (no branding) before CPs.

>>10467533
shoe trees or not, that's pathetic for 3 months. Here's a more clear photo for you, grandpa

>>10467550
>CXL is a very odd choice for a sneaker tho.
this is my point - good boot leather is not good sneaker leather

>>10467520
business of fashion article about common projects

>>10467582
not like Nappa leather is that great. see how premium leather shoe makers are not using it.

same for totally overpriced Margom cup soles ($70 wholesale according to some) that no one uses but designer sneakers. you are totally paying just for the Margom brand.

>>10467614
the premium leather shoe makers you are referring to all make straight up dad shoes

Additionally $70 seems like a pretty high price for a slab of rubber, what were you expecting?

you seem really unintelligent tbh

>>10467599
still can't see much, what kind of shit phone is that that loses any detail? get yourself an iphone.

>business of fashion article about common projects
wouldn't trust some paid advertisement much. MMMs beat CPs in quality anyway without such odd materials as Nappa leather or Margom soles.

>>10467614
what sort of leather would you prefer on a sneaker?

>>10467583
im thinking about getting a pair. are they comfortable? heard bad things about the og GATs

>>10465907
these look like they take forvever to put on or you risk creasing the leather

>>10467630
nope, buttero taninos have prolly the most sturdy heel of any sneaker. also thickest leather.

if you don't use a horn for your leather shoes, you are doing it wrong anyway.

>>10465004
>rod lovers

>>10464817
>>10465008

they are barely noticeable and they rub off

>>10465123
>shoe trees

are not mandatory for sneakers we are not your dress shoe blucher boat shoe wearing pleb friends at reddit who want nice spick and span shoes to go with their classy menswear.

>>10467622
Yes, MMM fixed like most complains about the OG Gats (all stripes suede, smaller toebox, comfort, durability, ..)

Otoh CP isn't really that comfortable. They had some premium version with extra padding, but discontinued. Margom sole will always be hard.

>>10467637
How about, you know, loosening the laces?

>>10467651
noticeablity depends on the color. it's still some form of branding.
rub off only kind of true for suede leather variants.

are the European stand still made from slightly better materials than American ones?

>>10467675
those are new ones and he's wearing them in, so tight lacing.

>>10467619
you've officially gone full retard and switched to b8 mode now that you know you don't have a point. You have no source for the mmm materials either and you're moving the goalposts all over the field

Kill yourself

>>10466150
>comparing GATS to GATS
>therefore higher quality than cps!!!
if you presented compelling evidence instead of mentally validating your purchase to yourself, i would actually be interested

>>10467619
That article isn't a paid advertisement. Also that picture serves just fine to illustrate my point and a more detailed picture wouldn't show anything you can't already plainly see. Stop being retarded
>iPhone
Oh wait I guess it's too late

>>10467651
This is just not true

>>10467686
Yes

>>10467582
>>We use only the highest graded Nappa available
>Napa leather is a leather, typically dyed, made from kid-, cow-, calf-, lamb- or other skin by tanning. It is noted for its soft temper. It is a generic term in the leather field and has no distinct test for characterization.
> Because of this ambiguity, the term is often used in advertising to imply that a leather has a soft hand.
>Contrast with "nappa," which is a term that is often used for synthetic/faux/fake leather that feels smooth and supple.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napa_leather

>>10467672
thanks fam

>>10465230
>Traditional sneakers are canvas
no

>>10467712
the whole discussion about leather quality is a lost cause.
your soles will have given up long before the uppers and you can't resole. so in reality your expensive designer sneakers will last as long as your shit-tier sneakers.

>>10467714
Nappa is a Saiyan dude stop talking out your ass

>>10467712
>you've officially gone full retard and switched to b8 mode now that you know you don't have a point. You have no source for the mmm materials either and you're moving the goalposts all over the field
that's the point. Those marketing material terms that CP uses don't tell you that much.

MMM GATs are older than CPs and a known quantity. They do age very well and they are more comfy than CPs. They didn't need a new revision like CPs in 2009-11 for different leather.

>pic unrelated
2 year old beater CP

>>10467762
Kek

>>10467620
calfskin or suede

>>10465004
Where can I still get these in Europe? All suggestions are welcome

>>10468126
http://www.amazon.de/dp/B00R4EK4RY

>>10468151
>http://www.amazon.de/dp/B00R4EK4RY
Only available in size 46

>>10468166
wasn't that a limited edition from summer 2014? very unlikely that someone still has stock left for common sizes.

>>10467714
Googling "nappa leather" turns up sources that say it's a type of real leather.
http://www.collonil.com/en/magazine/info/view/info_3#.VhWTBflViko
Whereas that line for the wikipedia page is unsourced.

I'm even more confused now.

>>10465071
Why do you dickride the cp meme so hard

I think cps will maybe look a bit better but they'll last the same, both are on a margin sole and so leather is nothing to die about. Go look at a stinky 1 year old pair of cps, even all white Achilles you be lucky to move for $100. They're just leather sneaker riding marketing hype

>>10467444
Do you know what cps look like after 6 months of regular wear?

grown ups dont wear sneakers, so this whole thread is irrelevant.

>>10467522
I regularly buy and flip common projects from Japan. You have not worn those sneakers for years else they would have holes and ridiculous creasing. I would never buy a pair after how shitty I've seen them wear. I've probably handled 20+ pairs

>>10469311
not really
I have a pair of canvas sneakers that I bought as used CPs
they've held up really well over the past 6 months, but they're canvas, so no outward creases, and probably not even CPs to begin with
leather on the interior seems to be holding up fine though

>>10467522
I regularly buy and flip common projects from Japan. You have not worn those sneakers for years else they would have holes and ridiculous creasing. I would never buy a pair after how shitty I've seen them wear. I've probably handled 20+ pairs

>>10467579
Why would you think they are not legit margroms? Margroms are dirt cheap, there is a Swedish company using margroms on 100€ shoes made in Vietnam called born and raised. Even Asos had in-house black label stuff at the 60£ price point with margroms (yes,they had the m stamped into the sole, which ironically proves many companies like damir doma are using knock off margroms).

>>10467614
I said it above but no way margroms are $70, that sounds like some meme spout from cp fans. Even some anon on here before the minimal sneakers craze began got some samples done in Italy for a couple clone that never materialized into a company. He wanted $80, a loss on what he paid, for the whole shoe. Somebody bought and it was legit made in Italy on a margrom.

>>10467744
Pretty much this

>>10465310
"youre right but i dont want to admit it so im going to use insults that only exist on the internet"

>>10469336
>>10467744
Why can't you resole tho

>>10469347
Cps don't really have a stitched sole, its semi stitched and mostly glued. Nobody actively resoles margroms, but a lot of sneaker shops will resole it as part of their general resole work. Granted that shit is usually 150+ so you have to question if its actually worth if

>>10469401
got some names and pictures of such a resole job?
clobbers deny it, because they don't know the last/construction (have fun trying to take it apart when it's glued, too) and don't have the sole.

>>10467599
>that heel

The fuck? Is that two inches? What shoes?

4 years of wear

>not letting your CPs get beaten up

smh

>>10471055
beaten up shoes just look gross.
instead of investing $300 for 4 years you could have gotten yourself new $40 sneakers every second season.

Buttero Tanino after 6 months wear. thickest leather sneaker you can get.

>>10471061
$40 sneakers that look like shit

>the gustin shill is back
Just make it stop.

>>10467815
>>10467712
>>10467619
>>10467599
>>10467520

http://www.businessoffashion.com/articles/intelligence/de-mystifying-the-cult-of-common-projects

>>10471074
He isn't very convincing when gustin has yet to ship out a single actual batch of shoes.

>>10471133
not like Gustin is any different in that aspect than all those cheap CP alternatives that don't have any reviews either. at least Gustin has somewhat of a reputation.

>>10471167
speaking of which, from which white sneakers do we actually know how they wear and tear?

>>10471070
then make it $80 sneakers every year. opens up basically all non-designer sneakers. CPs are nothing more than all-white rod lavers, so calling them shit looking isn't very convincing.

>>10471180
$80 sneakers that look like shit

>>10471167
>at least Gustin has somewhat of a reputation
a reputation for producing 2012's favorite americana/raw denim pieces on the cheap and then taking 10 years to get them to you? wow they sound like a bunch of winners. not to mention that those cxl sneakers look terrible, clearly they have no idea what they're doing

>>10471180
the funny part is that i would argue the same reasoning with a different conclusion. after owning cps, i would much rather spend $300 on a single pair of shoes over four $75 pairs over the course of four years

also, if it was that big of a monetary issue, i wouldn't be buying $300 sneakers

>>10471180
>complaining about how others spend their money
>on the fashion board of a Polynesian terracotta soldier enthusiast website

>>10471193
>also, if it was that big of a monetary issue, i wouldn't be buying $300 sneakers
looking at your pic, you should have better invested in some newer phone with some non-shit camera.

>>10471208
do hoooo!!! Got em!!!!!

In the future please restrict your shilling to that stupid Goodyear welt reddit

>>10471193
>i would much rather spend $300 on a single pair of shoes over four $75 pairs over the course of four years
why?

>>10471055
how much walking are you doing that you still have a sole after 4 years?

>>10471055
>>10471237
also, picture of sole pls

>>10471193
>to mention that those cxl sneakers look terrible, clearly they have no idea what they're doing
they got funded despite a hefty price-tag. looks like good capitalists to me.

35 Euros, fake leather
kek

>>10471250
not like CP is really a leather shoe with all that padding. it won't mold to your feet.

>>10471228
Quality over quantity. I stopped buying cheap shoes a long time ago when I realized 2-3 pairs of cheap shoes approach the price of one pair of decent shoes

>>10471249
popularity does not indicate quality. effective advertising also does not indicate quality. If anything, that just confirms something I've already known for a long time: people are really stupid

>>10471256
you realize that achilles hardly have any padding at all right? this was already discussed here. they make a "premium" achilles model for that exact reason

>>10471345
>you realize that achilles hardly have any padding at all right? this was already discussed here. they make a "premium" achilles model for that exact reason
you wouldn't be able to use such a soft leather w/o any padding. if you want just leather you have to look at buttero's: way harder and thicker leather needed.
CP Premiums got discontinued.

>>10465004
>for $90
I seriously hope you don't mean American
Best I could do finding a pair was finding them on some britcuck website, and even then they didn't have them in a size 12

>>10471237
>>10471240
these have been my daily shoe

worn them to clubs and everything

>>10471407
god how unintelligent can one person be
>you wouldn't be able to use such a soft leather w/o any padding
can you read??
i didn't say "no padding."
>hardly any padding at all
is not the same as
>no padding
you're seriously just.. so stupid

>CP Premiums got discontinued.
continuing to prove your stupidity. no premium achilles this season does not mean no more premium achilles ever. nobody knows what they will release next season

OP here, still no cheaper alternative available in Europe in my size (except for the shitty asos sneakers).

Anyone have any ideas?

>>10471752
hope these will do fam
https://www.zalando.de/frank-wright-eddie-sneaker-white-f1012b000-a11.html

>>10471752
every other white sneaker is cheaper than CPs...

>>10467487
comparison for 3 months daily wear

>>10471817
how are those better than Asos'?

>>10471856
>size 40
are you 13?

>>10471817
>https://www.zalando.de/frank-wright-eddie-sneaker-white-f1012b000-a11.html
Thank you so many much based anon

>>10471861
size 9 us, 17yo still growing

>>10471864
kek, MODSMODSMODS

I wish I was a size 40 tbh, I'm a 43 and it feels a bit clowney with certain shoes

I understand the white color, but why leather?

>>10472071
looks cooler than canvas

>>10472002
tfw I already had 44 at the age of 14

>>10471055
isn't bar lacing gay?

>>10472182
not him, but that's technically display lacing and not bar lacing. and are you twelve?

>>10471752
white shoes are ugly tbh

>>10471857
Prolly aren't, same cheap CP copy from some random asian sweatshop.
Seem to have copied more CP details like going for a fake Margom sole. Prolly won't last very long if you blindly copy a designer outer sole instead of going for a generic one. Not a true leather lining but some mix.

For 140€ i would go for those all-white Stan Smiths or some 70€ all-white Jack Purcell Signatures instead, Adidas/Converse are at least your typical low-tier quality. not shit-tier fakes.

>>10471250
link?

>>10472670
if you are in Germany, you can easily get OG GATs for ~50€. Beware of fakes tho.

>>10469315

???

you don't actually believe that, do you?

>>10472822
sneakers are very casual. grown-ups have a job and don't dress casual anymore.

>>10469321
Please do a bit of research before "disappointing" all over everyone.

Leather does that; on 99% of shoes that arent plastic or 1/2 inch thick leather.

>>10472981

lol you're actually delusional. You seem to think casual=juvenile.

>>10472984
what are you talking about? leather does what?

>>10472991
wearing sneakers after your 20s is hard to pull of and most of the times looks like dadcore.

>>10473059

This can't be serious. I'm being rused. You got me good, haha!

>>10472984
m8 I have no idea what you're talking about
I just brought up my my or may not be cps that have held up perfectly well

Gustin isn't that interesting in Europe, you have to pay for international shipping, duties and taxes.

For Germany the cost would be:
$149 (shoe) +$30 (shipping) = $179
in Euros:
$179 = 158.67€
duties:
158.67€ * 1.08 (over 150€, so 8% duty on leather shoes applies) = 171.3636€
taxes:
171.3636€ * 1.19 (19% VAT) = 203.922684€

CP is 325€ with free shipping/returns, so just 121€ ($136.55) more and you don't have to wait 5 months till Gustin ships them, and don't have to collect your shipment from the custom office. But the biggest advantage would be getting the size that fits you for sure: you can't return Gustin's.

>>10465017
Gustin isn't that interesting in Europe, you have to pay for international shipping, duties and taxes.

For Germany the cost would be:
$149 (shoe) +$30 (shipping) = $179
in Euros:
$179 = 158.67€
duties:
158.67€ * 1.08 (over 150€, so 8% duty on leather shoes applies) = 171.3636€
taxes:
171.3636€ * 1.19 (19% VAT) = 203.922684€

CP is 325€ with free shipping/returns (mr porter), so 121€ ($136.55) more and you don't have to wait 5 months till Gustin ships them, and don't have to collect your shipment from the custom office. But the biggest advantage would be getting the size that fits you for sure: you can't return Gustin's.

Just cop these knock off stans I saw at AE earlier.

>>10469311
regular wear isn't defined much.
you can totally beat them up in a few months.
https://www.grailed.com/listings/104963-common-projects-achilles-low-white

>>10464740

i have an og pair from the last time they released them. all white baby.

>>10472685
http://www.asos.com/ASOS/ASOS-Trainers/Prod/pgeproduct.aspx?iid=4550339&cid=4209&Rf-400=53&Rf-200=5&sh=0&pge=0&pgesize=36&sort=-1&clr=White&totalstyles=15&gridsize=3

>>10474596
Thanks man, wondering how they'll hold up

>>10474702
A 36 buck "leather" knockoff shoe, you do the math.

>>10474306
which white?
OP shoes stitched tongue Stan Smith (US) version which is preppy white instead of darker "running-white" of the padded tongue version (UK), which uses a little better materials (mixed leather lining).

>>10474306
last time they released them?
Adidas allows you to personalize your own shoe with mi Stan Smith for a little extra in their online shop, i.e. you can always get an all-white version.

>>10474306
last time they released them?
Adidas allows you to customize your own shoes with mi Stan Smith for a little extra in their online shop, i.e. you can always get an all-white version.

>>10474887
wrong:
http://www.stylebakery.com.au/2015/07/adidas-stan-smith-comparison-stitched-vs-padded-tongue/

>>10465017
not OP but i want to thank you for posting these. i always liked how CPs looked, but i have big ass feet, and like most designer shoes CPs only run up to 13 US. depending on the shoe, i'm a 14 or a 15. it says CPs run a size large, but i think they'd still be too small if i ordered 13s. these come up to 15, so my goofy ass feet will fit into them.
i've heard CPs run narrow. is it the same for these? in addition to having super long feet, i also have collapsed arches, which means flat feet, which means wide feet.