/fa/ - Fashion

>shopping irl

None. Buying on the internet doesnt have a single downside nowadays.

>>10344035
Except the wait
And occasionally stuff doesn't fit/look how you might expect
I like shopping in stores and so do as often as I can get to streetwear/upscale boutiques

>>10344035
>hassles of returning
>losing money due to restocking fees
>waiting
>fitment is different when you actually try it on even though you have the right measurements
>doesn't actually look like described
lots of downsides

>>10344042
>Except the wait
Dont really see how thats a downside to be honest. Its not like you buy clothes and immediately need them.

>And occasionally stuff doesn't fit/look how you might expect
You can just get a refund. Meanwhile at a store they use fucked up lightning, mirrors to fool you into believing that youre more skinny than you actually are and lots of other tricks.

>>10344048
>hassles of returning
Maybe in the US but sure as hell not in Europe. I usually get refunds within 2 days, sometimes even 30 minutes after I told them I want a refund and havent even brought the package to the post office yet.

All the other shit can also happen at a store due to the things I listed above. However, you have way better deals on the internet, way more options, its easier to get a refund because its regulated by law that you have 2 weeks no matter what etc.

Then again I dont see shit like 'waiting' as a downside. At the same time it saves me from having to go to a retail store so I guess that cancels each other out. At least in my book.

>>10344035
Lol. You should always go to the stores over Internet if you have the option. You can try on the clothes and see how they really fit, colors can't be a bit off, and you should want to feel the material before purchase.

>>10344059
>You can try on the clothes and see how they really fit, colors can't be a bit off, and you should want to feel the material before purchase.
>What are refunds?

>>10344059
Colors can*

>>10344061
Why would you want to risk going through the refund process if you could just go out in store. Where do you live where you can't go out to multiple stores? Buying in person is just better in every way

>buying clothes online
pffft haha, nice shit quality material and fitment faggots. enjoy having to return multiple times with each outfit

>>10344069
>Why would you want to risk going through the refund process
Not everyone is american. Theres no risk to the refund process in Europe. Even less if you but from pages like MrPorter, Matches, Luisaviaroma, thecorner, farfetch etc.

>Where do you live where you can't go out to multiple stores
If youre looking for a specific piece of high fashion then you will have a hard time finding it at a retail store. And I live in one of Europes biggest cities and still run into this problem quite often.

>>10344058
Who the fuck returns clothes
Oh and when you get to know the employees/owners it's nice to get a phone call saying "hey so-and-so just dropped want us to save you one in your size?"
Webstores won't do that
Or order stuff specifically for you

>>10344077
>Who the fuck returns clothes
Top fucking kek. No one, you know? Thats why all online stores offer free refunds.

>Or order stuff specifically for you
Or you can just check the internet and find what youre looking for.

You incredibly delusional if you think that the stuff they have at the store is more than a fraction of the current collection. Especially in high fashion it usually isnt.

>>10344083
Why would you return clothes? I don't understand it
If you don't like something why buy it in the first place

H&m is my go-to. Not very good quality but the right colors and type of clothes at a really good price.

Urban outfitters is okay as well but they are a little more limited.

Uniqlo is all around great. It's like h&m but better quality.

Nordstrom if you have money and want to support a company that hates fat people. Good stuff. Huge selections.

Banana Republic is a step up from all these but it's quite expensive and caters more toward dressy clothing.

Zara is meh.

I've heard decent things about Macy's but I would avoid it personally.

>>10344094
literal autism

>>10344094
Obvious reasons. If you no clue, I suggest you just kills yourself

>>10344058
>muh smoke and mirrors
they use weird lighting to make the changing rooms look more stylish but it's in their best interest to get you to buy clothes that fit and make you look good because John Doe looking good > people asking John where he bought those trousers > John telling them it's from H&M/Uniqlo/Zara > more people go to Zara/Uniqlo/whatever to buy clothes

Literally the reason why they have movable mirrors and neutral lighting. Nobody's trying to 'trick' you, you're just an idiot.

>way more options
Not really, you can find things in-store that aren't even listed online, the only exception being online exclusives

>its easier to get a refund because its regulated by law that you have 2 weeks no matter what etc.
I don't know what Southern European shithole you live in to make it hard for you to get a refund from a brick-and-mortar store, just keep the receipt. Laws that apply to online shops function irl too, guess what.
>Its not like you buy clothes and immediately need them.
Except some people desperately need a shift dress/pair of heels/socks for an event or because of some mishap like the heel breaking mid-commute.

>>10344094
>If you don't like something why buy it in the first place
Because a) it doesnt perfectly fit b) the colors look differently in reality than they do on the page (many factors suchs as shitty TN panels or bad screenshots) c) you decide for it to not be worth the money after all (you never felt like something was a shitty purchase after a week or so and felt buyers remorse?)

>>10344104
That's why you try stuff on in person
It's
Not
Complicated

>>10344115
So you go to a store to try it on and then buy the same thing online? Why not just buy it on the spot then?

>>10344118
autism

>>10344103
>Not really, you can find things in-store that aren't even listed online, the only exception being online exclusives
You have no fucking clue what high fashion is or about all the shit that is being sold online. No one gives a rats ass about hillbilly stores like Zara or Uniqlo.

>Laws that apply to online shops function irl too, guess what
They dont you fucking degenerate. If you buy something at a store you SAW the product and decided to buy it. The second you pay for it the store doesnt have to give you a refund. They can, but they are not forced by law to do so because you already had the opportunity to try the shit you bought. So unless its damaged they dont have to do shit.

>Except some people desperately need a shift dress/pair of heels/socks for an event
So your argument against 'waiting' is that you MAYBE at SOME POINT need something immediately? So, how often does that happen? Thats not a proper argument you handicapped nigger. But youre very well aware of that, I am sure.

>>10344115
And in high fashion you will often run into the problem that the item you want isnt available at the store. So you would have to ask them to order it, so you can try it in the store. Might as well just order it yourself in that case.

>>10344118
No I shop at stores and buy there
I like shopping at boutiques

>>10344131
cool

>>10344125
>You have no fucking clue what high fashion is or about all the shit that is being sold online.
And you do? Lol. High fashion stores have custom tailoring services which is reason alone to go to a physical store and shop. You can even tell the clerk you want something from one of their other worldwide stores and they'll get it for you.
>If you buy something at a store you SAW the product and decided to buy it. The second you pay for it the store doesnt have to give you a refund. They can, but they are not forced by law to do so because you already had the opportunity to try the shit you bought.
Er, that's not how EU law works, lad. You can return anything with a receipt and the only things you cannot are undergarments and sale items, which they usually display very clearly in the changing rooms or at the register.
>muh high fashion
>you handicapped nigger
>you fucking degenerate
you sure do sound like a person who shops at high end stores

From your posts I've gathered that
>you're a disgusting yank
>not only are you a disgusting yank, you're a poor yank masquerading as someone who regularly buys '''high fashion'''' items
cheers

>>10344141
Different fag but in America at least we have 99¢ unlimited soda fountains (every European person I've ever met has completely lost his shit about that), no import taxes, and $1.97/gallon gas

>>10344141
>You can even tell the clerk you want something from one of their other worldwide stores and they'll get it for you
Which is something I said maybe. Good repeating my words.

>that's not how EU law works, lad
Its is. Get your shit right. Stores are obliged to give you a refund because of their reputation and the fact that they might lose you as a customer if they dont. However, youre not entitled to get one. Especially after having worn the piece and 1 or 2 weeks passed most of them will be hardpressed to refuse refunds. Its different if the item is flawed.

Please stop talking about shit you dont have the slightest clue about.

>you sure do sound like a person who shops at high end stores
Pretty appropriate language considering the lies youre actively trying to spread here.

>>10344151
We have free refills here too, ya know.
And our credit card information doesn't get stolen all the fucking time because our system actually works.
Oh and we don't eat overprocessed shit, and we actually get to go on holiday several times a year.

And best of all, we're not Americans. Take it as you will.

>>10344141
>Er, that's not how EU law works, lad.
Not him but it is. Or at least thats how it works in Germany. Many people think that they are entitled to get a refund on clothes but thats not the case.

Youre entitled to a refund (2 weeks) on any online purchase. As soon as you buy something at a store the store doesnt have to give you shit.

>>10344160
I like working 60 hour weeks.....I take pride in that, actually
And tbh the only time I've ever had a fraudulent charge on my credit card was after going to a fucking hipster diner in Austin
Aren't the cell phone bills ludicrously expensive there?

>>10344165
Most stores offer refunds because it helps the brand
But there's almost nothing in the way of consumer protection when it comes to refunds

>>10344096
buy bannana republic clothes online and when on sale

>>10344176
Thats what I said. If you buy online then you have 2 weeks to get a refund by law. Nothing the store can do about it apart from claim that you returned damaged goods.

If you but at a store they dont have to give you a refund. Its goodwill if they do.

Generally speaking, thats one of the reasons why I agree that online purchases are safer. You can just inspect the item for 2 weeks and you end up having buyers remorse return it without any questions asked. Had that a couple times before but I also order quite a bit.

>>10344159
>Which is something I said maybe
You said that ordering in store=ordering online even though you don't pay VAT, postage and import taxes when you order in store, just a small fee.
>However, youre not entitled to get one
>http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/shopping/shopping-abroad/guarantees/index_en.htm
>http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/shopping/shopping-abroad/returning-unwanted-goods/index_en.htm
You're absolutely entitled to get one and if you're that much of a cheap shite to wear something with the tag still on and then return it, that's on you.
Most online stores will want the item in good condition as well and won't take back damaged items.

>>10344172
Where do you get your information, /int/?

>>10344186
>You said that ordering in store=ordering online even though you don't pay VAT, postage and import taxes when you order in store, just a small fee.
You dont pay taxes at the store? What?
Postage is an argument but most stores offer free delivery anyway.
Import taxes? What? Why would you ever order something outside the EU if youre european?

>pointless links refering to damaged goods
>If an item you bought anywhere in the EU turns out to be faulty or does not look or work as advertised, the seller must repair or replace it free of charge or give you a full refund or reduction in price.
I literally said that you can get a refund if the item is damaged.

>Returning unwanted goods [...] you have the right to withdraw from your online purchase as well as from purchases made elsewhere than in shops
Literally what I said. You can return any online purchase but not the shit you bought at a retail store.

Why do you link this shit? Youre literally proving my claims. There isnt a single law that forces a physically existing store to give you a refund. Its goodwill, nothing else.

>Most online stores will want the item in good condition as well and won't take back damaged items
Top kek. No fucking joke dipshit. If youre stupid enough to damage an item within 2 weeks you deserve them to refuse to refund you.

>>10344074
Except if you buy from Luisa get ready for an restocking fee that also applies to preorders when every size is still in stock...

Fucking joke getting pulled for $60 on a preorder that was still 6 weeks from release.

Oh and then T&Cs only actually says this with regards to fees:

"If an unauthorized return is accepted, LUISAVIAROMA.COM will deduct a 10% administrative/re-stocking fee from the refund."

My preorder cancel was authorised and not a return so I don't know wtf to say, but I'm salty enough to never shop there again.

>>10344207
So what exactly is your argument then?
Goodwill or not, you still get the same rights in-store as you do online. And if you damage the item you can't return it either way. So what are you arguing here? How is ordering online better then? You're literally agreeing with me at this point with the added bonus of calling me such lovely names as nigger and dipshit.

Recent cops threads are cool, I guess
This thread has proved that we need a "recent returns" thread

>>10344207
>Why would you ever order something outside the EU if youre european?
r u dum

>>10344207
>Why would you ever order something outside the EU if youre european?
Is this a real question? Because if it is holy shit, you're retarded

>>10344219
>Except if you buy from Luisa get ready for an restocking fee
Never bought anything on that page so I wouldnt know.

>Fucking joke getting pulled for $60 on a preorder that was still 6 weeks from release
Well, I guess they could argue that they only ordered the piece in the first place because you said you wanted it.

But yeah, thats bullshit. I never ran into trouble with any online store before.

>>10344221
>Goodwill or not, you still get the same rights in-store as you do online.
No you dont. They arent forced to give you a refund and the probability that they will refuse to give you one after you have already worn it and it being in your possession for 2 weeks is pretty big. Better safe than sorry.

>How is ordering online better then
More options, youre on the safe side in terms of refunds, less stress visiting boutiques for purchasing and getting a refund (probably doesnt matter to a NEET).

>>10344228
>>10344231
Apparently. But tell me which clothes you cant but at european online stores. Because I am interested in getting to know why I would order shit from the US or Asia.

Go ahead, tell me. And please dont give me this 'lmao holy shit ree XDD' bullshit. Provide some proper arguments. Because I am pretty sure that I will have a hard time finding many labels that you will have to import from outside the EU. Unless we are talking about cheap junk made in china, then I would neither know nor care.

>>10344252
Are there a lot of Adidas consortium stockists in the EU
Cuz if not I'm really embarrassed for your entire continent

>>10344282
No idea. The first page I get when I google 'Adidas consortium' is a british one, which means no import tax. The second one has its prices in euro, which probably means no import tax either. However, I dont know what youre looking for since I dont know what Adidas Consortium is or what they sell. All I see are sneakers and some hoodies.

anyone know of any good sales online for labor day???
or instore just good labor day sales

The shopping centre that was close to me this summer was bretty gud. I usually went in a circuit of:
>H&M
>J.Crew factory store.
>Banana republic factory store
>CK factory (have to deal with 5000 Chinese people in there though)
>Nike,Puma,Adidas,Reebok Factory stores

>>10344018
all saints, uniqlo, american apparel, h & m, j crew occasionally
not really anything designer in my area

I have a carhartt wip outlet nearby that i like to frequent. There's also a local streetwear-shop, it's kinda expensive though. Fast fashion is fine sometimes.
I don't like shopping on the internet because since i'm swiss the choice is really limited and expensive. For anything from the EU, there is quite an import duty that i can not get back if i want to return anything.

>>10344322
604?

>>10345727
Nah. Next province over.

>>10344029
>being too socially crippled & autistic to go to stores

>being afraid of people judging your purchase


lmao that's u tbh

>>10344125
>faggot ly europoor cuck refund laws


lmao Europe is literally as bad as sub Saharan Africa or Australia

>gets a sweatshirt online
>way too fucking large
>don't want to return, refunds takes ages
>never wear it
>mfw

>>10346540

Better than what I have
>sweater/shirt fits perfect
>shrunk in the wash (cold wash, hang dry)
>can't return so sits in closet collecting dust

Weekday - is my no.1 , love it, effay as fuck

H&M - surprisingly solid. Varies a bit from country to country tho

Carlings - (basically scandinavian Topman) kinda pleb and a lot of "teenage style", but got some great fits. Also varies a lot, one store in a hipster area of the city will have lot of clothes that the ones on main streets have etc

Zara - its okay

There are no good stores in Pittsburgh

when im making money a lot of urban outfitters, american apparel, topshop, department stores

when im a poorfag mostly f21, h&m, hollister, brandy melville

inb4 hollister is shit, when they're having sales there's a lot of cheap basics with soft (shitty but soft) fabrics

>>10346607
Social Status

>>10346572
That's why I hesitate with shipping online.
Sometimes S sizes are so huge.

>>10344018

>>10344252
Most Japanese and Aussie stores, for one
>inb4 but why would you need to!!!!!
Why would you need to shop online? That's not the point now, is it you fucking tosser

almost forgot

>>10344048
>restocking fees
is this a yank thing? don't think i've ever been charged for this in the UK.

>>10346649
Yes it is.

>>10344172
Not that expensive, 13 dollars for 2 gbs of data and unlimited texts/calls

>>10344096
>Banana Republic is a step up from Nordstrom

>>10346097
>>being too socially crippled & autistic to go to stores
>>being afraid of people judging your purchase
/fa/ summed up

>>10346702
Not specifically a yank thing as it occurs in the EU, but it's extremely rare/non-existent in the UK.

>>10344252
Ordering from outside the EU for stuff that is out of stock in the EU for example? I've had this before with several brands. Or some stuff simply doesn't seem to appear for sale in the UK, or you just miss it. e.g. some of the Gosha stuff on Ssense I have never seen for sale in the UK.

>>10346111
http://consumer.findlaw.com/consumer-transactions/return-policies-and-refunds.html
>Returns and Refunds: Federal Law
>While state laws primarily govern the issue of returned merchandise, there's no federal law that requires a merchant to refund money.
Yeah man, fucknig euros eh?

>>10346628
>Most Japanese and Aussie stores, for one
Wanna tell me how I am supposed to get my hands on JP/AUS clothes at a retail store if they are JP/AUS? We are arguing why ordering online has downsides, and one of these clowns said import taxes. How are import taxes a downside when its the only way to even get your hands on items from JP/AUS? They are annoying at worst.

>>10346975
See above. Thats not an argument for import taxes to be a downside of ordering online because its highly unlikely for these continentally locked pieces to be available at a retail store in the first place.

>Or some stuff simply doesn't seem to appear for sale in the UK
So youre basically looking at UK pages and nothing else. Good to know.

>>10344048
Why do I get the feeling you've only shopped Uniqlo so far? Any decent web shop has far better service than a physical store imo

>>10347051
Please try to form a cohesive argument. Don't be such a literal fuckwit when previous to them mentioning the UK they spoke of EU shopping.

I'm sure this was in response to

>But tell me which clothes you cant but at european online stores. Because I am interested in getting to know why I would order shit from the US or Asia.

>>10347051
what are you even talking about?