/fa/ - Fashion

yeah, I think that's a great choice but personally I'd prefer quartz, simply because I care more about accuracy. but you know, your call.

>>10270186
seiko is a good brand, quartz or automatic, get a solar powered watch if you never want to fuck around with a battery change

>>10270586
>muh hate on battery change

I don't know why /fa/ hates battery changing so much. I sometimes even look forward to that because I like opening watches. just some buy batteries beforehand if you really like the watch. if the thing ticks for 1-3 years, that's fine.

>>10270186
what's the modelnumber of this watch?

>>10270586
Yea I have heard good things about them. I like the leather straps but they seem a bit to dressy for me.

>>10270620
check out Lorus and Pulsar (both are Seiko daughter-brands) watches too. Orient is also Seiko (or so I've heard) but I think they are more upper class and most are either full dressy or full diver.

The styling is fine for a casual watch. My only warning would be to check out some Seiko 5s in person before buying anything. I saw some at a jewellery store and was taken aback by how small and dinky they are.

Not to say that the only good watches are massive things that look like you strapped a wallclock to your arm, just make sure it looks okay on you first!

>>10270721
OP might not have a feeling for that yet but once you own a few watches, you get a good idea about sizes. I like that a lot of Seiko 5s are 38mm, some even 40-43mm. now, for automatics, they are usually thicker than quartz and sometimes I find 13mm case depth of many automatics bothersome.

>>10270586
>solarpowered

I kinda like this solar Seiko.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz86dNcQIw0

it's a bit big for me though.

>>10270611
SNKL07

>>10270738
Why is 13mm bothersome?

How dadcore am I?

>>10270903
"slips roofies into sorority girls' drinks at parties and tells her friends it's okay, i'll take her home" tier

>>10270827
too thick, couldn't you decipher that from my post?

>>10270821
thanks.

Speaking of Seikos many sudsidiaries, what do you guys think of the Orient Ray?

>>10271581
look great, especially in blue.

I have the mako but kinda wish I had the ray

>>10271581
I can't even get into Orient stuff like that. I'm left-handed on top of that and two crowns are horrible.
I don't even get why the need an extra button for the date functions, as if it wouldn't work via crown.

Eh, the extra button doesn't really bother me. It's a bit thicker than I expected, but overall I really like it. Here's a shitty pic showing off the button and chunkiness.

>>10271821
well, as I said, I only don't like it because I'm left-handed and prefer wearing watches on my right wrist. it's a very nice diver otherwise. also, excellent natostrap choice. I have a similar one with two stripes but with blue instead of grey.

>>10271821
that's cool dad

they match your oakleys and new balance shoes

are you going to pick up the daughter who can't stand you in your 7-year finance term dodge challenger automatic 6 cyl with an exhaust on it to show how cool you still think you are in your mid 40's?

take children's football really seriously

refer to the charger's pro football team as "we" at work around the water cooler selling shit tier life insurance policies on cold calls?

>>10272126
autism

>>10272145
hey man that watch tan you have will get you tons of pussy from the daddy issue possessing sluts walking around

seiko 5s are great, dont really like the aesthetics of the one you posted but i currently own
SNK361
SNXJ89
both running well.

>>10271821
nice sausage fingers you fat fuck

>>10272364
>SNK361
oh yeah, also, i swapped out the bracelet for a nato strap on this one, looks beautiful.

can any of you guys tell me the make of a watch i saw in a previous thread, it's model name included 'panamerican' and the case had a half-red, half-blue thing around the face. it was an expensive watch

>>10272523
rolex gmt pepsi bezel?

>>10270620
I haven't looked into Seiko really myself, but I'm fairly sure they got a wide enough range of watches so that you'll find something that is a little more sporty or whatever you happen to like!

>>10270827
it is thick enough to bother him.

my daily watch

W A Y W T ?
A
Y
W
T
?

>>10273875
how big is your wrist

>>10272381
what's that strap material anon? is it a fabric instead of leather? i think that fabric straps are effay as fuck however it is but also, i remember wearing a fabric strapped watch back when i was kid and it would get visibly dirty and darkie all the time, no to mention smelly. not good.

is there a decent fabric which the smell and all that shit doesn't cling up so much to?

>>10271581
I like the watch but I would change the band. It is just my opinion, but I find textile bands tacky.

>>10275235
I came. That watch is gorgeous.

>>10275253
>he doesn't like meme straps

>he hasn't imported an f84-w from Japan

Why wear an f91-w when you could have the unique version only sold in japan?

>>10275271

>Madbombercore

>>10275271
I like f91-w more because that japan only thing has ugly ripples on the strap. it's what I really hate about retro 80s style. it's just ugly.

>>10275286
That's part of the reason I like it.

>>10272126

*tips fedora

Thoughts on this watch?

>>10275320
sucks. clunky mall-tier crap. black hands on black face is awful too. at least the got the seconds hand right.

>>10270186
Seiko 5's are for girly wristed betas m8, get yourself a Monster or something.

Thoughts on this watch

>>10275411
don't. unless you're black.

>>10275235
watch is 40mm

>>10275411
invictas in general are terrible watches that you should not buy

>>10275235
Great watch, does that count as luxury tier?

>>10275411
Looks like something a persian at a nightclub would wear.

>>10275411
If you're black, do it
If you're brown, you'll look like a sex offender
If you're white, you'll look like a snob
If you're asian, it's risky, but possible

>>10270662
>Orient
Makos are fucking everywhere.

>>10276826
If you're black you'll look like you stole it.

hi from l.a.

6'2"

34mm watch.

1960 seiko marvel. hand winder, but i don't wear it everyday so no biggie.

take "rules" with a grain of salt. i happen to think anything over 40mm starts to look silly. but that's just me.

fa watches?
if you're cheap, gold casio digital. won't work with every fit, but it's nice to have in the collection.

the raketa big zero's completely effay and pretty cheap: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DhdlWS63Wc

seiko has a sub-brand called alba. look into the "alba riki" line, named after designer riki watanabe. some beautiful watches for like $150ish. can usually find them on amazon or ebay, generally aren't sold outside japan.

if minimal is your thing and you want to beat everyone over the head with that fact, most of you will be satisfied with something from here: https://www.dezeenwatchstore.com/product-category/mens-watches/

if you want a watch with a little more substance, you'll have to pay.

nomos and junghans are on my shortlist of watches to own.

omega speedmaster/moonwatch is a meme, but if i was just buying one watch to wear everyday for the rest of my life, that'd be it. also love their vintage constellations and seamasters.

also have a few more vintage seikos i'll post if anyone gives a shit. i get mine from ebay generally.

shit can be addictive. you'll go from never seeing the point of watches to wanting a dozen.

i know reddit's shit, but /r/watches will give you a good idea of what's out there.

recent cop

cop y/n

Recent cop.
Been an IWC guy my whole life.
Always had a thing for Panerai & Blancpain.
It was between this one or BP Fifty Fathoms Bathyscaphe.
When it came down to it, I couldn't resist the silky ceramic.

>>10276886

I'd gladly look at them. There were nice old Seikos here couple of threads ago. King quartz.

>>10277099
Damn that's sexy. Wish I could pull off (and justify spending the money) a Panerai.

>>10277057
would cop but I'm just not a fan of white dials.

>>10276886
I wish there were more 34mm sized watches. I like that size because I got girlwrists.

Opinions?

>>10277520

i like

>>10276886
>https://www.dezeenwatchstore.com/product-category/mens-watches/
A lot of good looking watches, but I can't for the life of me understand the appeal of all these no-lug watches. It just looks weird.

>>10277710
Forgot the pic to illustrate my point.

Thoughts, anyone?

What do you guys think of this?
Price is maybe £500-600
Like condition wise is this a good buy?
I've never bought a watch before.
http://www.vintage-watches-collection.com/watch/omega-watch/omega-steel-boxed-and-documents-buckle-1964/

>>10277725
how much is it?
I'm guessing 250-300$? If so, don't cop, that's way to much for a shitty quartz watch, there's plenty of cheaper alternatives

>>10277759
fair price considering the documentation that's being provided

>>10277773

It's € 200,-- yeah, trying to find something similar to it but I've yet to find anything

>>10277725
It's actually not bad, but probably overpriced, you might be happier with a "real" watch

>>10277773
Do you know anything about the model?

>>10277787
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Accurist-Gents-Leather-Quartz-MS670G/dp/B003CJTR9Q/ref=sr_1_35?ie=UTF8&qid=1440085247&sr=8-35&keywords=accurist+gold

that should set you back €50, although if you're willing to spend €200 you can get a very nice automatic watch.

swatch watch
c/n?

>>10277840
swatch is a joke

>>10277840
cop! it's a good brand.
bought a swatch sir blue myself recently. their irony line is great too

ignore this fag: >>10277878

>>10276886
Nice one bro...
Here is my latest asset. From around 1950

>>10272523
sounds like some kind of GMT MASTER homage

>>10275252
NATOS/straps like that are usually nylon.

>>10275252
Oh and btw, I have a nylon NATO on one of my dive watches that I wore every day at one point, even to the beach etc and it's not dirty and doesn't smell at all.

What does /fa/ think about Squale? Thinking about copping a 50 atmos as my next purchase.

>>10278122

Such a beuty, and almost mint. Does it keep good time?

>>10278203
Yes, depends on what you think. Couple minutes a day. Pretty good for a 65yr old watch

Cop or not?

What makes Seiko good? I have one that my grandfather wore, then he died now I have it. I haven't really worn it because it needs a batter replacement

>>10276568
it's only $350 so i wouldn't count it as luxury, but it is absolutely beautiful enough to be up there

>>10278497
I'd get a better Casio for just a little more money. pic related is nicer but I'd get one with lume hands.

I've decided I really like how pic related looks and I'd like a similar strap for my SARB, but holy shit alligator leather is expensive. I designed a custom one from Camille Fournet but I just can't bring myself to spend like $300 on that shit.

Should I just get it or should I settle for something cheaper? How does embossed leather with an alligator patern compare to real alligator?

>>10277099

Nice fake.

>>10278617
I'd like something simpler than that, not so "formal", so to say

>>10277520

Ugly pleb watch the size of a dinner plate.

>>10277725
Muuh quartz.

>>10278195
shit,

>>10273875
lmao people sleeping on a $8000 watch

>>10275235
but flipping over a $350 one

>>10277099
2 people on /fa/ have Panerais?

>>10278680
>price determines how good a watch is
I don't like that Gavox very much but that Panerai is about as disgusting as every other Panerai. Enjoy your oversized $8000 ETA pocket watch movement.

>>10277239
L>R
u.s. special forces, vietnam, 1968 or 9. too lazy to look it up tbh.

1968 lord matic. love the design and layout of the dial/face. polish makes it a bit too dressy for my everyday. always feel a bit self-conscious about how shiny it is.

non-vintage seiko: 2013 or 14 alba riki. obvious similarity to the lord matic's dial. it's the biggest watch i own at 40mm. matte finish makes it nice and subtle. currently repairing the clasp.

>>10277432
vintage is the way to go if you like that size. so many great options.

>>10277710
yeah, not usually a fan. some people like pure geometry though. those sort of scream "graphic designer" to me for some reason.

>>10278122
that's lovely man. my dream chronograph is a benrus sky chief from around the same time. blows my mind that people will drop the cash they do on a basic new rolex because it's a rolex... in danger of fedora-tipping here, but 1945-1970 really feels like the pinnacle of watch aesthetics.

>>10278820
Fuck I love vintage Seikos, they're great. I've been eyeing up something mechanical next, maybe a 6138 or 6139 but I'm worried about servicing old mechanicals and especially chronos. I love the 6105, too.

Also I will tip my wrist fedora at a fellow gentleman but I have to respectfully disagree, I think 60s and 70s were the best for watches.

>>10278820
Thanks bro. I only paid like 500 bucks for it at an auction. There were benrusses also. Great looking watches from that era

>>10278195
I think Squale is supposed to be pretty nice from everything I've read, I was close to buying a 20 Atmos but I cheaped out for a Steinhart instead. I think that blue 50 Atmos is very nice looking, too.

My phone's camera is shit.

Here's a picture of the movement

>>10278679
post your watch, fuckboy

Hey guys, I'm in the mood for a new watch and want to spend somewhere under $400. I'd like an auto rather than a quartz, and for it to be a casual everyday kind of watch. I don't really know the term for how I dress, but it's dark jeans, Red Wing boots, casual button up shirts in muted colors but with nice texture, etc.

I'm leaning toward a Seiko diver (007/173) at the moment, but I'd welcome other suggestions.

>>10279297
Do it faggot.

>>10279312
Man, you're really tempting me. (I saw your pics on the /g/ thread too.)

I was set on a Pepsi if I got one, but I'm really liking how the black bezel looks there, too.

>>10279450
Monsters are worth checking out. They're an acquired taste but the lumes are nuts.
Only got a Franken at the moment but I'm digging the baby snow and an orange with a matching divers strap

>>10271581
>>10271821
My nigga, have the same model as my everyday timepiece

Also c/n?

>>10279539
How fat is that bezel?

>>10278680
The 8000 dollar watch is clunky, thick, juvenile, and fugly.
Fuck the price the other watch is much more classy, whilst movement surely will be worse.
If you buy an 8000 dollar watch, that is a really poor choice IMO.. Damn

>>10279840
You dropped your fedora

>A panerai is juvenile and fugly
>It is supposed to be think and somewhat clunky

I dont know why I bother coming here to talk about watches, nobody here is a WIS

>>10276913
Would look killer on a NATO with some orange to it.

>>10277057
Cop

>>10277520
How many mm is that thing? It's definitely eye-catching.

>>10278122
Sexy as hell, can we get another pic?

Hi guys. I've never /fa/ before but my godfather gave me this watch for my 21st birthday. Is this a good watch? I'm not really sure how to judge what watch is good or not since I never wear one. I still like it for sentimental value but just wondering what others opinions are on this watch

>>10280228
thats an awesome watch bro

>>10272126
new balances are cool

So my dad just gave me this thing and I'm new to watches. Is it cool? I like it.

Also the small clock in bottom middle is another second clock is there any way to stop it? Is it normal? It's asynchronous to the regular second arm, I feel like it's wasting battery and playing with the buttons doesn't change much

>>10278684
Actually, more than two.
>>mine

Transocean

the auqaracer is a decent entry level swiss watch and you can get a used one for 1k or less

>>10280962

loving that green band m8

>>10281006
>tag heuer
why even bother

>>10281041
>>10281041

cheap and I can use it for a daily wear

my budget is 400$, can someone recommend a good watch i can invest in?

>>10278497
get thisun instead, less casual looking

>>10281057

depends what style watch are you looking for?

>>10281057
I can recommend you a good watch you can buy. It would probably be a horrible investment, you should buy stocks or something if you want that.

What exactly do you want? Do you have any idea what you like? Where/why are you going to wear it?

>>10280387
>bulova

I'm so sorry
but if you like it then it's all that matters

>>10281064
i ment invest as i would get my money's worth out of the watch. im looking for a daily watch, perferably metal band, im open to anything

>>10281075

For $400 you won't find something you can invest in. Only certain watches tend to hold value, most depreciate like crazy

>>10281075
SKX007 plus a Super Oyster bracelet. Alternatively, Obris Morgan Explorer II if it's not too late to preorder one, or Steinhart Ocean One if you want something that looks like a Rolex. Also the Orient divers are nice, Ray or Mako are basically the same thing with different styling.

If you don't like divers then maybe a SARB033 or 035 is another nice everyday sort of watch on a bracelet. If you want Swiss then Hamilton has very nice stuff like the Jazzmaster Day-date or Intramatic but they're more like $500-600.

>>10281098
Forgot my photo. Serious the SKX007 is an excellent watch, it would be my one single watch if I had to pick just one.

>>10276913
>05

awww man.......ruins it for me.

>>10281088
i ment like, investing in a quality watch instead of a shitty one

>>10281120
check out hamilton jazzmaster, not a metal band by default, but a good and pretty watch regardless, a million different models too

Got this baby coming in the mail today for my everyday street casual outfits

>>10281120
Lots of Orient watches have models that have metal bands, check out OW USA

>>10281057
Check out steinhart watches... Great quality for this price segment and tend to hold its price very well

>>10278122
w2c

>>10281120
Tissot Visodate. Multiple options. White dial, black dial, leather strap, steel mesh. On sale at Amazon. Bout 450 for the leather, another hundred for steel.

There are some really nice seikos in that range. Sarb033 is steel and sportier, Sarb035 is elegant as fuck. Both on sale at amazon for 280 and 350 respectively. Absolutely steals at those prices.

Without knowing what style watch you like, it's hard to rec anything.

If you're worried about investing in shit? Buy from a watch brand with some history who still make quality shit (Hamilton, Seiko, Junghans, won't bother listing them all or ones out of your price range). Never buy shit like Fossil or Invicta, don't buy watches from fashion/designer brands. Buy a watch from a watch company and go from there.

>>10281281
>Sarb035
SCRATCH THAT. meant Sarb065. price and comments still stand.

>>10281281
Wow SARBs are even cheaper than when I bought mine a couple of months ago. I might have to add an 033 to go with my 035, but I don't know if I can really justify having the same watch in two colors. Maybe I should get a SARX instead this time.

>>10281281
sarb065 looks nice, i dont know what strap i should get for it though

>>10280962

Nice fake bro.

>>10281313
can't go wrong with that. it's kind of a classic looking seiko profile.

if it were me? i'd go with the sarx017. i fucking love a hit of red on the seconds hand. the leather strap's sexy, and i'm 99% sure you can buy the steel bracelet separately.

god damn it. didn't plan on watch shopping today. now i can't stop.

casio masterrace

>>10281446
But why not just get the watch with the bracelet already instead of paying extra for the bracelet later. It's a pretty cool looking bracelet too. Leather straps from good sellers are usually better and cheaper than OEM straps anyway.

I love the lugs on that watch and the dial pattern is pretty neat, I'm just kind of iffy about it being sort of big and I don't like the hands too much.

>>10281416

i know what you mean. the leather strap that comes with it is fantastic. dark blue stitching to match the blue seconds hand. but some aftermarket bands kind of take it to another level.

not a decision you have to make right away. people usually don't buy aftermarket straps until they've had a watch for a bit.

>>10281464
>why not just get the watch with the bracelet already instead of paying extra for the bracelet later
the seconds hand. i know it's a small detail. but the 17 has a hand dipped in red. the 15 doesn't. it's not a smart financial decision, but I'd always regret going with the plain hand.

i get you on the other hands. i don't love the swords. and usually prefer a shape closer to >>10281491. but they usually match hands to the hour markers, and these are perfect complements.

if you don't love it though, deffo don't buy it. there will always be another watch.

>>10270903
More like shitcore. That watch probably costs less than 10$

>>10279683
No, fake tourist shit.

>>10280133
Sure

Post your grail watch.

>>10281808
I've had my eye on the Datograph for a long time.

>Not owning one of these.

Seriously, if you had the money, would you?

>>10281935
my wrist is too small for that, it'd just look like a saucer on my arm

>>10281447
>gold accents
I came

>>10275320
Disgrace to watches everywhere

Bought this a few days ago.

>>10281071
whats wrong with bulova? genuine question

>>10281808
vintage 1680 submariner

>>10281935
It's a bit too gaudy for my taste.

>>10281153
SAMME got the gold one coming today and gonna order the silver one and regular one today

>>10278122

What watch is this?

Just copped. It'll be here later today, I love Amazon Prime.

Time to start looking at straps for it.

>>10282799
A Plymouth chronograph, with a landaron 50 caliber inside. You'll find numerous brands with that movement on eBay and stuff...

>>10283005
Check the Strapcode website. The Super Engineer II is proper tasy, should be one with curved ends for the 007.

>>10283093
Not a bad looking site. Probably gonna just go for a NATO for now, though, not looking for a metal bracelet at the moment.

>>10283014
I mean landeron

Is it normal that my ETA 2824-2 movement makes rattle/hiss like sound, when winding it with crown?

>>10283575
Dun sound good to me but I ain't got a posh Tudor myself. I'd ask on the /g/ thread, they've got at least one guy training in watch repair.

>>10283575
Yeah I guess that's sort of what mine sounds like. It's not very loud, though, is it? Mine definitely isn't.

>>10281935

No fucking way. Although it's complicated as hell inside, very interesting, great complocations (sonneries and shit), and the case is so intricate, but no.

>>10281447
>>10281153
>>10275271
picked this up at the thrift store for less than $5 today. anyone know what this kind of strap is called? it stretched over my hand rather than open and close with a clasp. i haven't seen this kind on the casio chrono alarms before

>>10284907
>>10284907

I can see the spring bars your strap is too small

Recent cop.

Worth buying?

Rate my new cop. Now gotta wait 2-3 months for it to reach me.

>>10285548

No, get the 5$ aliexpress knockoff that looks exactly like it, use remaining 95$ for a real watch.

>>10285552
Unremarkable, ugly.

>>10285552
Never seen this model before. USSR watches are hit or miss for me. But picture related is kind of my affordable grail watch, even though I don't think they're actually worth $600, I still love the way they look. I want to say they were only $100 or so like ten years ago or something.

Anyway, what kind of shipping method takes 2-3 months from *anywhere?* They paying a guy to walk it to you?

>>10285582

Nah, just Ukranian post + own postal service that has deliriums of being the FAA, despite living in a third world shithole nobody bothers to pay attention to.

>>10284907
Elastic/stretch band. Popularish in late 60s early 70s iirc.

>>10285663
So basically the watch spends one week in transit and then two months in "customs?" Hope you got a bargain on it. Cool and not too common design. At least I haven't seen any before.

>>10285552
I really like it. looks very different. get it polished and restored though. those scratches are ugly but it's a very nice vintage model. I'm a big fan of tiny second hand watches as well. I know that swatch even has a whole line of them to pay them homage. I like them because they don't tick as loudly.

>>10285548
fuck no.
>>10284907
I like the golden colored framing
gonna pick up a silver digital casio soon as well.


next cop I wanna pick up this swatch, I just hope the part skeleton face won't look fedora-ish.

>>10285935

JFYI, hands have nothing to do with ticking. All the noise comes from balance and escapement, where jewels hit steel. Hands layout then depends on how you position wheels, they make no audible noise. Central second and small second may have the same balance and escapement and tick the same.

What might account for quiet ticking is maybe overall smaller movement, less resonating space in the case (adding ppastic rings to fit the movement in the case or smaller case) or thicker/better insulated case.

>>10286010
>hands have nothing to do with ticking. All the noise comes from balance and escapement, where jewels hit steel

yeah, I already assumed as much about ticking hands when typing out my comment but I decided against rephrasing that because I simply haven't looked that far into movements yet.

Can anyone please explain my why these Tag Heuers are expensive? They are ugly and quartz and yet they are deemed luxury watches and sold for prices way higher than an average watches.

>>10283005
Fuck man,americans are so lucky because they can find that watch for under 200$. Here they are asking 400-450$ for it.

>>10286079
Why don't you order here? http://www.creationwatches.com/products/seiko-divers-60/seiko-automatic-diver-skx007k1-skx007k-skx007-rubber-band-watch-784.html

It's free shipping and you don't have to pay any taxes since they mark it's value to be 20euros.

>>10286247
>20 euros
HA!
Try 10,5.

Also, just because it's marked "low value" doesn't mean it goes through customs without problems. They still often check for it.

>>10286401
9/10 times it's no taxes, it's just bad luck if they check it. And even if they check it, it would be much cheaper than 400-450$.

>>10286428
>9/10 times
No.
They get the items at least half of the time.
I'm Danish, where are you from?

>>10275411
I have the same one with a white face and I really like it. Not sure why there's so much hate for Invicta here.

>>10286247
Thanks for the link man,I appreciate it but >>10286401 is right,I ordered an alpha submariner and they marked it low price and when they googled the watch they were less than pleased. I hate online shopping because they rape us on shipping fees and taxes. I also ordered a cheap chinese watch from tinydeal (cost 15 dollars and the shipping was free). At the post office they made me pay 10 dollars shipping and handling fee).

>>10286495
>cost 15 dollars and the shipping was free). At the post office they made me pay 10 dollars shipping and handling fee
tfw customs take a flat fee of €22,5 for any item above €10,5.

If I buy something that costs €11 it ends up costing €11 + 20% (€2,2) + €22,5 = €35,7

>>10286535
Shit man,that sucks. I envy how in America you could literally buy anything online and have it delivered with no fuss. In our case is ordering it,dreading the customs and having to wait for weeks for it to arrive. And god forbid they catch you trying to manipulate the prices,they will slap a fee on that too.

>>10286543
Yeah, being European is suffering ;_;

I'm currently waiting for the Obris Morgan Explorer II and the Maison Celadon Second Imperial Series - both of which are subjects to possible taxes.

Really don't hope the Celadon gets tax'ed.

>>10286596
Great taste,though I prefer the explorer over the dressy watches,the second one is also nice. Man they are gonna destroy you with fees if they catch you.

>>10281808
The Royal Oak 15202 is the most perfect watch in the world.

>>10286480
From Finland, I have ordered 1 watch from there and no taxes. Three of my friends have ordered and no taxes. Also there have been discussion in the finnish boards about this and i dont reckon that anyone have got any additional fees Wien ordering from creationwatches.

>>10287031
When ordering*

>>10286635
It's very nice, but I think the chronograph version of royal oak is even more perfect. Also the patek philippes nautilus have very nice different refs.

>>10286076
But thats an automatic, a marvel of mechanical engineering.