/diy/ - Do It Yourself

[Anonymous No.679485]

so i want to get into artisanal gunsmithing, i was wondering if guys had tips, or advice to share on the subject, and if you could direct me to good material on the subject.
as a first project, i thought of making pic related (4 winds shotgun). has anyone tried making that ? is it a bad idea ?

[Runna No.679487]

any 'gun' whose only selling point is that it can be used and then disposed of by an idiot isn't much.

do even a tiny, tiny amount of google-based research and then read some books. and then more books. And take machine-shop courses are your local community college. And don't build the 4-winds shotgun or anything else from the anarchist's cookbook.

[Anonymous No.679488]

>>679487
>And don't build the 4-winds shotgun or anything else from the anarchist's cookbook.
why?

[Runna No.679493]

>>679488
Because it won't get any easier to be a gunsmith after you lose all those fingers or after you get convicted of possessing a destructive device or zip gun.

[Anonymous No.679495]

>>679493
>zip gun
are legal.

[Runna No.679497]

>>679495
depends on the state technically (and on the mood of the LEO involved in practice)

>TX Sec. 46.05. PROHIBITED WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally or knowingly possesses, manufactures, transports, repairs, or sells: (8) a zip gun

for example, or short barrel length, etc.

[Anonymous No.679550]

>>679495
The four-winds isn't. It is a shotgun having a barrel less than 18" and an overall length less than 26". It is a SBS and requires a $200 NFA tax stamp as well as a shitload of paperwork.

Even if you make it 26" long, I'm willing to bet that they'd try to claim it was an AOW. Sure, it's only a $5 tax stamp and approval, but without them, you're looking at the same ten-year prison sentence as any other NFA violation.

Yes, it's fucking stupid. Thank the government.

If you want to be an "artisanal" gunsmith, then you should be looking into fine engraving, woodworking, and that sort of shit. Not "how to cut two pieces of pipe to make a disposable shotgun". See picrelated.

[Anonymous No.679560]

>>679488
A lot of stuff in the cookbook is 'Grow crystals at home!' tier, in that it will kill you, and a lot of it is badly explained, or badly thought though.

[Anonymous No.679566]

>>679560
It's fantasy fodder for 12 year olds. Reader isn't expected to actually follow the instructions.

[Anonymous No.679586]

>>679566
But people will! Because they are dumb, and Darwin was right.

Not gonna lie, I have a copy for novelty purposes. It's next to a DuPont Blasters handbook and an FM 5-25 manual.
Wonder how many watch list I'm on a hurrhurrhurr

[Anonymous No.680004]

>>679485
/k/ has homemade guns threads all the time, I'd ask around there.

[Anonymous No.680013]

>>679586
>an FM 5-25 manual
>not having a superior TM 31-210 manual.
wimp

[Anonymous No.680034]

>>679485
>artisanal gunsmithing
There ain't no such thing.

And "artisanal" essentially is a marketing term at this point to sell the same product you could buy from a chain retailer or manufacturer, made with less efficient methods, and sold at a higher price.

So, an "artisanal gunsmith" would be a custom, one-off manufacturer that is making the same thing as everyone else, only costs more... like more 1911's.

[Anonymous No.680098]

>>680013
Haven't managed to find one in the old books stores here yet.
Fun fact: in Toy Story, Sid has a copy of that in his bedroom.

[Anonymous No.680100]

>>680034
If I see one more fucking person posing with 1911s with fucking wolves and shit engraved into it I'm gonna lose it.

[Anonymous No.681523]

>>679485
/k/ here
Don't let /diy/ discourage you from exploring the freedom filled projects of home made guns.
The right to self defense is one of the most basic of human rights, and nothing should ever stand in the way of that
A word of warning: creating your own gun and testing it can be very hazardous. Countless men have been maimed and killed by their own weapons misfiring. Use caution and common sense while you construct and test your weapons. Don't use barrels that are too thin or load massive charges.
Just yesterday we had one of our own diy threads. If you check the catalog just once a day you should find a new one within the week.
What you'll probably find:
> Four winds shotguns, 12 and 20 gauge
> .22 pen guns
> 9 millimeter zip guns
> Open bolt .22 pistols
> .22 rifles
> Muzzle loading pipe guns
> Miscellaneous destructive devices (explosives, incendiary devices, poisons)
The 12 gauge shotguns and .22s are easy and safe enough to practice with.
The pipe gun is the simplest, but also the most dangerous to handle.
The others require a few more specialized tools/chemicals to produce, but they are many times more powerful. Think sheet metal and magazine fed guns alongside napalm and hand grenades.
Here are even a couple of videos about making guns:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWjwe2h4KWo&list=PL813wNhf62l4wd4OZhqIBh4lQ06GwpaDB
> Tales of the Gun - Episode 1: Making of a Gun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNukntgfx5M
> How to make a really simple .22 rifle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX3dt0enBMk
> How to make the four winds shotgun

Be safe and have fun

[Anonymous No.681536]

>>679487
>>679493
>>679497
>>679550
>>679560
>>680034

[Anonymous No.681730]

>>679488
Don't do anything in it because a lot of it is technically correct but extremely dangerous. If you build a four winds, make sure to reinforce the ever loving shit out of it.


Also if you fuckers want to build guns, /k/ has it covered. And they actually use the guns they've built.

[Anonymous No.681732]

>>681523
Then there's the guy who made that classy ass .50BMG with a CNC mill.
It was glorious.

[Anonymous No.681803]

>>679550
For an AOW, it's still $200 to manufacture. It's $5 to transfer.

I don't see why it would be classified as an AOW assuming he does reach the length requirements though.

I'm hoping that this dude tries something a little more ambitious than mashing a bunch of pipes together though.

Start off with something like a single shot break action or something. Or falling block, or rolling block.

[Anonymous No.681823]

>>680098
I didn't know they were rare. I got gifted mine 40 years ago.

You can find PDFs online, though. In my dotage, I find that ebooks are far superior to paper, inasmuch as you can carry a few thousand of them on a laptop hard drive.

[Anonymous No.681874]

The Four Winds (at least the example you posted) is classified as a short barreled shotgun.


Either way, regardless of barrel length, it is an AOW.

[Anonymous No.681877]

>>681823
more like a few trillion

[Anonymous No.681900]

this reminds me of a guy at my uni.

joined a 4 year bachelor course costing god-knows how much.

>what are you aiming for out of this?
>I want to make guns

note he's never really touched machines, probably nor guns. and he's struggling with the first year maths.

he got the idea from playing CoD. and he's like 30.

>its the /diy/ equivalent of someone joining the army due to CoD.

[Anonymous No.681904]

4 winds shotguns are as fun to shot as they are terrifying, nothing like thinking "man i hope i still have hands after this."

[Anonymous No.681970]

>>679485
I know a guy by the name of Lloyd Johnson, he forces every part of his guns, hand reams them, and then puts them together. It takes him months to put together a musket and he's been doing it for 40+ years

[Anonymous No.682121]

OP. Gunsmithing forums exist. Why are you here?

[Anonymous No.682191]

>>681803
>Start off with something like a single shot break action or something. Or falling block, or rolling block.
Those are fairly hard to machine, IMHO. I'd suggest a Quackenbush .22LR. It's a barrel, with a housing on a swing-arm behind it. The housing has a striker inside sort of like the Glock's. It's probably less than a dozen parts including the screws.

Here, picrelated, the perfect rifle for taking care of those pesky bicyclists.

[Anonymous No.682820]

OP, start with basic tasks, like mounting scopes and refinishing stocks. Acquire tools; files, stones, drill press, lathe, grinder, taps, drills, reams, etc. Learn to use them. Assemble an ar-15 from parts. Read up on doing trigger jobs and practice doing them. Learn to be a real gunsmith. A four winds is a good way to end in either prison or an emergency room.

[Anonymous No.682822]

>>682121
trollin' the lest used section of 4chan....

[Anonymous No.682893]

>>681730
wrong on/ k/

never once saw a real homebuildon K and I'm literally just spilling over from there. I almost exclusively go there, occasionally B because that place just sucks you in.

[Anonymous No.683908]

I'm not going to let this thread die I swear to god

[Anonymous No.684721]

[Anonymous No.684723]

>>679487
>>679493
>>679497

[Anonymous No.684724]

>>679497

[Anonymous No.684741]

>>684724
>es.
>>684723
>>684721
>>683908
This is not the place for a gun rights debate. If you want to discuss manufacturing but leave the politics to pol, b or k

[Anonymous No.684754]

>>679485

I saw this post go by earlier, and let it go since it doesn't seem like you've really done any research on it. Unfortunately you keep bumping it, so here goes.

First, the weapons threads go in /k/.
>>670504
Says very clearly "No weapons."

Second, the four winds shotgun is not Artisan Gunsmithing. It's a glorified zip gun. If you want to be a Gunsmith, step up and be a Gunsmith. With a drill, files, hacksaw, and stick welder you can do 9,000 times better than the four winds.

Bill Holmes has a dozen books and at least one video on homemade weapons. I've read his ".50 Caliber Rifle construction manual" and found it easy to follow. Note: I did not try to build it fwiw. I've also flipped through 4 of the 5 volumes of Home Workshop guns.

George B. Dmietrieff has some books on the topic too, but I've not read his. IIRC he has a DIY powder, primer, cartridge, and loading book. I've also read his books on grenades, and found the milspec information very informative.

If that doesn't whet your appetite, then slide over and take a look at how AK-74 receivers are made. They are dead simple. You could make a die to stamp these out and be mass producing them in a couple of weeks.

Legality: In the US the ATF has a prosecute first and ask questions never policy. It is legal to manufacture firearms for personal use in many localities, but that legality is largely subject to how much you spend on your lawyer. If you do build guns, keep quiet about it or you will get on a list.

Finally, please quit shitposting unrelated gun rights stuff. A gun is a tool. People either accept it or they don't. Your vehement opinion is unlikely to change any minds.

[Pic not related, don't respond(...) No.684777]

>>684754
>The workmanship and techniques involved in creating objects which could be used as weapons or the portion of a weapons project that involves them (e.g., forging steel for a blade, machining for gunsmithing, what epoxy can I use to fix my bow) may be discussed in /diy/, but discussing weapon-specific techniques/designs or the actual use of weapons is disallowed.

OP's post was boarderline but I would let it pass. Quite a few of the reply's bumps and other posts in this thread probably deserve bans though.

[Anonymous No.685307]

>>684777
Sorry, just wanted OP to come back

[Anonymous No.686263]

>>682893
Dude, BOOF makes guns literally every day. And one guy made a high end .50 BMG bolt action single shot. It's not every day that it gets posted, but if you make a thread and ask someone will give you info.

[Anonymous No.686357]

>>684754
>And a lathe, mill and home made button puller rifling machine.
Fixed.

[Anonymous No.686514]

>>686357
>And a lathe, mill and home made button puller rifling machine.
These, particularly the lathe, would all be really nice to have, but are not absolutely required.

Ops post is about building a shotgun. A break action gun can be competently done with only the tools I mentioned. Optionally, the welder could be replaced by brazing, if that's more Ops thing.

Changing the subject, has anyone seen plans (online or books) for a rifling machine?

[Anonymous No.686701]

>>686514
What kind of machine?
I've posted info on several differnt kinds on /k in the past.

[Anonymous No.686833]

>>686701
>What kind of machine?
>I've posted info on several differnt kinds on /k in the past.
>(Re: Rifling machines.)

I honestly don't know. In this case I don't know what I don't know.

[Anonymous No.686838]

>>686514
Yea. Button Pulling/Pushing ones.
Google will bring up several results. I believe there is also something called sine bar rifling that is somewhat commonly done.

[Anonymous No.686839]

>>686833
Go to the /k archives and search for mediafire rifling machine
I'm constantly adding new stuff as i sort through my hard drives. Just found a few papers on electro chemical etching of rifling.

[Anonymous No.686950]

>>686838
>>686839
Neat.

I've heard some people are trying to EDM rifling nowadays, too. Not sure if it works well or needs finishing with a cutter.

[Anonymous No.687053]

>>679485
>>679485
> not reading the sticky
>

[Anonymous No.687094]

The easiest to build beyond a simple zipgun or single shot would be an open bolt machine gun. They have the least moving parts out of all modern firearms.


http://thehomegunsmith.com/

[Anonymous No.687911]

>>682893
if youve never seen one on /k/ you must be new or inattentive.

[Anonymous No.687914]

>>687094
theyre also super illegal and will have your ass loosened by tyrone for like 25 years minimum. luty is a hero though

[Anonymous No.688109]

>>687914
>25 years minimum
Ten, actually. Eight and a half with good behavior.

[Anonymous No.688346]

>>687914
Only the open bolt machine gun is illegal. It is perfectly legal to manufacture your own firearms in the the United states as long as you don't make it with the intent to sell. There are still certain restrictions as far as overall length, no open bolt, rifled or smooth bore. Google is your friend on this. Not these pussies on /diy/
If you take this to /k/ you will get mmuch more help

[Anonymous No.689072]

I was somewhat interested in this topic as well. Ever since I heard that people in Pakistan make guns in some caves with primitive tools I wondered how difficult making one by yourself would be. I do understand how they can make a receiver, but I don't understand how they would make a properely hardened barrel. I would not expect some of the machines used in the manufacturing process to be available in a cave in Pakistan.

[Anonymous No.690482]

>>688346
Closed bolt machine guns are illegal too mate. Any machine guns are, unless grandfathered in before the 1986 ban, or military/police/dealers.

[Anonymous No.690511]

>>683908
fact is most of the time you need a car and much less for a gun.

[Anonymous No.690523]

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this topic comes up on /k/ at least once a week, /k/um check us out

[Anonymous No.690524]