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how do I into building my own log cabin?

how much do you guys think it would cost to build something pictured here with gutted insides? and n electricity/water/plumbing?

>> No.576760

Depends where you live, what kind of permissions you need, what kind of environment you want it to be in etc.

As for how, go to your local library and get books about construction engineering. It's better than reading a thread and thinking you actually know anything about anything.

>> No.576767

>>576760
assuming I already have the land and I can do whatever the fuck I want on it...which I will do..its my fucking land and I own it, I will do as I please on it..

>> No.576768

>>576767
Sadly that's not the case for many developed countries.

You're better of doing your research before you could ~possibly get into trouble and have to take down your house.

>> No.576770

>>576767

OP is gonna fail and everybody knows it. I suggest you start a new thread when you are done being an idiot.

>> No.576776

>>576767
lol. In many jurisdictions if your buildings are not up to construction and habitation codes, regardless of
>hurr durr my land
The authorities can legally condemn and demolish the property. In fact some jurisdictions can do so and then bill you for the costs of demolition. These are the kinds of things you need to know about before you even dream about costing a building.

>> No.576781

>>576770
This.

We need a fucking sticky.

>> No.576785

>>576768
my land is so far out, nobody should ever know there is a house there...I WILL build a house of my own there, I paid for the land, I will do as i please..I DARE anyone to tell me otherwise and I DARE them to try to come take it down.

>> No.576787

>>576776
america, land of the FREE!

>> No.576788
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>>576785
>gutted insides
>in the middle of nowhere
You're going to need a big generator, aren't you?

>> No.576790

>>576785
Well you DARE all you want. It might be that no one will ever know, sure, but there are laws governing building houses in the real world, and if you break them you should be prepared to face pretty severe consequences.

>> No.576792

>>576751
OP, I'm estimating you're going to need about 3 to 5 thousand dollars to get that thing in a live-able state. That's mostly in windows, tools, hardware and supplies like plumbing and electricity- things you can't carve out of trees.

One question: Have you ever worked a chainsaw?

>> No.576797

>>576788
solar panels and a watermill are whats gonna power it.

>> No.576798

>>576792
yes, I have worked a chainsaw...I am quite the handiman..I used to do carpentry work a few years back..learned a good bit

>> No.576799

OP, did you wonder in from /k by some chance? Those guys also like to SPEAK ALL IN CAPS about the most inconsequential bullshit.

>> No.576806

So I guess some faggots just got wind of how the best way to troll /diy/ was to post 'how do I into log cabin?' threads without any realistic research. I mean there are 5 or 6 threads on the first few pages about this kind of thing right now.

>> No.576810

>>576785
I DARE to see the cops break your fucking knees for being a "muh land" faggot and then bulldoze your shit

>> No.576814

log cabins are made of bug food, they are a maintenance nightmare

>> No.576815

>>576797
Oh, so LED's then?

>> No.576827

>>576767
Some counties have zoning laws. Most boonies don't though. Where I live there are no zoning laws for private land and people can and rarely do build deathtraps to live in. It is a nice way of weeding out the stupid people. In cities, one man's death trap could lead to a city on fire, so codes are strict and enforced often. Most of the time, you don't have to worry about it except for the insurance company. Their inspector will tell you what needs to be changed. So, you can call of whatever insurance company you will use and ask then about codes and stuff in your area.

>> No.576828

>>576814
Carpenter bees are normally the only problem and easily kept at bay with a one-time stain.

>> No.576833

>>576815
Candles

>> No.576841

>>576785

You don't have any means to resist should the government of your country want to

1) Take your illegal house.
2) Take your land that's being used for illegal purposes.
3) Take your life, you criminal scum.

So bend over, boy, and go read a book before the man shows you your place.

>> No.576848

>>576751
Here to help, OP:

Site work (driveway, excavation and backfilling for foundation, pit for well, finish grade): $20,000 - $40,000
Concrete foundation: $7,500 - $15,000
Well: $2,500 and up depending on depth - my well was $6,000 in 2005
Septic system: $5,000 - $30,000 depending on site requirements (in-ground vs. mound)
Electric service: $5,000 bare minimum, depends how far you are from power, if it's the middle of a 20 acre lot, maybe $20,000
Electric rough-in, devices and fixtures: $20,000
Plumbing and heat: $30,000
Log cabin kit: $50,000 includes logs, windows, doors, roof, everything except mechanical, fixtures and kitchen
Kitchen: $5,000-$10,000
Appliances: $3500-$7500 depending on what you get, could go higher

If you opt to not use a kit, allow:

Windows and doors: $5,000 - $15,000
Materials for roof frame: $3,000 - $7,500
Roofing: $1,000 - $10,000 depends entirely on what material you choose
Roof insulation: $2,000 - $3,000

I know a couple people who have home solar generators and they paid anywhere from $15,000 - $25,000 for them. Windmills, I have no clue, but I do know I wouldn't want to depend on one to power my home.

>> No.576852

>>576767
>its my fucking land and I own it, I will do as I please on it..
LOL no, you won't. You're not your own country, you must conform to the laws and regulations of where you live with regards to how structures are built, pay fees, submit to required inspections, pay property tax, etc etc etc. If you fail to then your property can be taken away from you and sold.

You kids need to live in the real world: There is no "living off the grid", there is no "disappearing into the woods", everyone is tracked, everyone is accountable, everyone must PAY, and you can't escape it until you're dead. Give up this stupidity, go get a job, rent an apartment, live like everyone else. If you're lucky you might have a few minutes of happiness per day.

>> No.576866

Why logs?

I know they're pretty and all, but it's just not worth the cost. They're absurdly expensive.

>> No.576869

>>576866
No, they're not. Add up wall framing, siding, insulation and sheetrock, and labor for each trade.

>> No.576874

>>576852
Man I understand your point, but "Having a few minutes of happiness per day"??
Cheer up mate, dont be so bitter, you only get one chance to live this life, so enjoy it.

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576940

>>576810
its hard to break knees when you cant get within 500yds...

>> No.576941

>>576841
oh yeah, I have plenty of means to resist. They can take it over my dead body, but I guarantee you I wont be the first to die...as george washington said, "GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH!"

>> No.576942

>>576848
Forgot floor framing: Say $5000

>> No.576944

>>576866
logs are free, I honesty plan on cutting my own trees and going that route..

>> No.576948

>>576944
The logs are the least expensive part. You can buy all the T&G logs you need for a 750 square foot home for ten grand. Versus thousands of man hours to cut, skid, strip native logs, do your corners, erect it and chink all those fucking joints. You'd be nuts to bother.

>> No.576949
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576949

heres a pic of a shed / shack i built back in the woods ive already sheathed it its cost me about $700 so far. Thats not including labor.

>> No.576950

>>576949
You don't get snow where you live, correct?

>> No.576951

>>576950
nope its in texas

>> No.576952

depends on how much back you want to put into it
watch alone in the wilderness

this guy builds a cabin by himself without any power tools then lives there till hes 65

>> No.576955

>>576950
i only built it 16 x 16. I also recently bought some engineered hard wood for the flooring i got it for $150. It stays relatively cool back in the woods during summer. I just wish i had a shower for cleaning up before going into town and such.

>> No.576956

>>576951
Up here that would collapse before Thanksgiving. (Vermont)

>> No.576958

>>576955
>engineered hard wood
I had some of that left over from a spec house and did my bonus room with it. Just squirted framing glue on the back of it and stapled it down. Great stuff, I'll never fuck around with solid strip flooring again.

>> No.576957

>>576956
yeah i know. The heat is the main problem here in Texas. Its really hard on the livestock during the summer.

>> No.576961

>>576957
if i lived up north i probably would have built an A frame.

>> No.576963

>>576957
Most new construction here is 12" fiberglass in attics and 12" fiberglass + R-max in roofs. That's the other reason we use 2x12 rafters. I heat about 2000 sq.ft. and I'm paying about $4500 a year for propane, all well-insulated modern construction.

>> No.576969

>>576941
I question whether you really intend to build a log cabin. It seems like you mostly started this thread to fantasize about shooting the authorities. Otherwise you could just go here:

http://www.coventryloghomes.com/ourDesigns/cabinSeries/Discoverer/model.html

>> No.576972

>>576940
Two words:

Dorner

>> No.576996

This thread is hilarious.

>> No.577000
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577000

>>576941

Lol!

They could simply get you when you go to your dentist or something. Or they could disguise as some kind of inspector, hunter...whatever, then taze and pepper spray the fuck out of you when you turn your back.

They have all the time and expertise in the world (and plenty of people too) while you have...well, not enough, dude, not enough.

All it takes is ONE phone call about a suspicious/threatening person in the woods.

>> No.577081

>>576790
>there are laws governing building houses in the real world

Not so much in extreme rural areas.You're pretty much on your own.
I know alot of areas that only have a sheriff for the whole county and no codes enforcement.

>> No.577082

>>576814
>log cabins are made of bug food,

All stick built housing is made of bug food and does quite well world wide

>> No.577084

>>576848
>Electric service: $5,000 bare minimum, depends how far you are from power, if it's the middle of a 20 acre lot, maybe $20,000
>Electric rough-in, devices and fixtures: $20,000

I believe he said solar and hydro

>> No.577086

>>576852
You might be broken to the plow but not all are

>> No.577087

In parts of both Vermont and Montana you can build cabins or single family homes with no permits.

Just FYI.. You can still do it in the US but it's rare. There might be other states as well.

>> No.577089

>>576940

>implying they won't pick you up at your workplace

What are you going to do jason bourne ?

>> No.577090

as long as something isn't classified as a building you can do whatever the fuck you want

try and let them deny your private 'art installation' op, i will glady take up arms and help defend your right to build private 'art installations' on your own property

america needs more house-shaped fine art installations if you ask me

>> No.577091

>>577087
In rural Kansas you can pretty much suit yourself.
I'd imagine most of the naysayers here are from predominately urban states
(blue states love them some government)

>> No.577092

>>577081
>>577082
>>577084
>>577086
samefag

>> No.577094

>>577092
Samefag is not applicable since I'm not replying to myself.
Learn 4chan etiquette

>> No.577095

>>577089
WORKPLACE LOL

I dont think you understand what the idea behind my cabin is...

do you understand the "off the grid" concept?

>> No.577101

>>577094
>newfriend can't samfag
uh yeah it is, otherwise you would've made a single post instead of 4 different ones in a row pretending to be someone else.
lrn24chan

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577103

>>577095
There you go OP , this one would be free

Cheers m8

>> No.577109

>>577101
I was replying to 4 different posts.
I'm thinking you don't understand the whole samefag concept

>> No.577148

>>576751
>>577094
>>577095
>>577101
>>577103


So sick of the off-topic/retarded posts/trolling on this board.

I can't wait until break is over and you guys have to get back to high school.

sage

>> No.577209

>>576827
Zoning laws only refer to the type of structure and use of said structure that is allowable on said land. Every State, County, and Municipality makes slight modifications to the International Builders Code (or Residential Code) depending on how the land is zoned that any structure above a minimum size (Tom Green county, Texas is 200 ft2) must adhere to. Also, if you plan on having any unsupported spans over 20 ft or a second story you are going to need an engineer/architect to look at and seal the plans or your structure will be demolished.

>> No.577236

>>577148

>Calling other people newfags/summerfags/whateverfags
>Sage downvotes.

No, john, you are the redditor. Asking about building shelters is like this board's equivalent of anime recommendation threads and always ends up with some idiot talking about shipping containers or tinyhouses.

>> No.577253

>>577148
>So sick of the off-topic/retarded posts/trolling on this board.
congrats on being a hypocrite

>> No.577256

>>577084
Still costs money bro.

>> No.577294

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADnxA4z-8mM

This is an old vid. Nevermind the music.

All you need is logs and an axe.

>> No.577336

>>577294
this is what im talking about..this is more along the lines of what I want to do!

>> No.577337

>>576751
honestly? about tree fiddy

>> No.577339

>>577294
I also found this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkml0yavPvA

>> No.577338

>>577294
>All you need is logs and an axe.
And 8 burly Finns who know how to build log cabins.

>> No.577372

>>577339

Looks like a noob version of the Finnish cabin. Dat shitty insulation, dat shitty everything.

>> No.577388

>>577372
The roof looks awful in particular, the loft area doesn't seem to fit with the rest of the building, there's no uniformity.

For a tight budget, okay, but it looks awful.

>> No.577467

>>577372
Not bad for unhewn logs put together by utter amateurs on a $500 budget.

>> No.577470

>>577338
Or one old guy like Richard Proenneke.

>> No.577474

>>577372
yeah, but <$500

>> No.577491

>>577470
One old guy with years of carpentry experience.

>> No.577553

>>577491
It isn't as much the years of experience as it is the drive to do it with the knowledge. With the proper knowledge you can make good functional things. But, with years of experience you can make it look far better and do it far faster.

When I reference Proenneke I was meaning his determination and drive more than his life long experience.

>> No.577565

>>577336
yea figure out how to handle an axe and a log.
and just start practicing chopping the log until you learn how to get the various joints and grooves needed to fit it all together. quick and easy filler between logs? stuff them with grass or straw and coat that in mud.

>> No.577689

After I finish class I want to buy some land out west and build my own house. Though as I know nothing about building houses I'd probably hire someone to do it. Think they'd mind if I observed? Possibly even helped a bit?

>> No.578253

>>577084
I believe i said:
>I know a couple people who have home solar generators and they paid anywhere from $15,000 - $25,000 for them.

Hydro is a fantasy.

>Electric rough in, devices and fixtures
This consists of the panel, meter, light switches, outlets, lights, ceiling fans, fart catchers, drops for the well pump, furnace and water heater, etc. that exist in all modern homes. Unless he's going to use a single orange extension cord to plug into his water wheel.

>> No.578259

>>577087
>In parts of both Vermont and Montana you can build cabins or single family homes with no permits.

Civil engineer/land surveyor specializing in land use permitting from Vermont here to say it's just the opposite. The Agency of Natural Resources is like the NKVD. Vermont is "free" if you want to marry your cat or stick your dick out on the street corner in Brattleboro, but when it comes to property rights, you have none. The only area where we're different than California or Massachusetts is gun laws; there are none because nobody has been murdered here since 1904.

>> No.578264

>>577689
If you're going to get a construction loan they'll make you get a real contractor.

>Think they'd mind if I observed? Possibly even helped a bit?

They'll love it because they can use it to fuck you like they did me.

>> No.578268

>>578264
depends on what the owner builder laws are. you will definitely need to submit plans and the bank will accept your loan based on the potential equity in the building you make. if you submit the idea to build a shitty house out of "locally sourced timber", the banker will read that as termite infested kindling. they wont lend you an extra 50k so you can buy something worth negative dollars

>> No.578272

>>578268
Well, maybe so, but the bank will make you use a real contractor anyway. Also, 50k is a single-wide trailer.

>> No.578275

>>578253
>Hydro is a fantasy.

It really depends on the source of water.

>> No.578277

I feel like it's not important enough a question to start my own thread, so I'll ask here, as it's kind of relevant.

I want to build my own place from the ground up (a really small cabin/tumbleweed house so hopefully not too far-fetched), and I was wondering if volunteering at Habitat for Humanity or something like that would be a good place to start learning.

>> No.578285

>>578277
No first hand knowledge, but I bet they would just make you lug shit around. Better off getting a part time job helping out one of these handyman guys who build decks and additions and stuff. Also, find a set of free plans on the internet and just build it. You don't need to design your own thing. Literally everything has been designed already.

>> No.578286

>>578277
>I was wondering if volunteering at Habitat for Humanity or something like that would be a good place to start learning.

Yes, it would. So, long as you are building of course.

>> No.578303

>>578285
Fuck. Getting a job doing it would be damn near impossible, even part time.
And I'm not really worried about design, aside from some environmentally friendly tweaks.

>> No.578315

>>578303
Take a carpentry class at your local vo-tech

>> No.578334

>>577294
how long did it take these guys?

>> No.578345

>>577084
>>hydro
better have expensive permits like 10k worth, or be prepared to get raided by whomever has the jurisdiction over the area's natural resources. You can be cited for numerous things like endangering protected species, possibility to flood surrounding areas etc.

In USA most rural places are under 200 sqft permit free, the only thing you will need literally everywhere is septic. Alaska is special and on its own, some places are so remote that no one gives a fuck.

>> No.578382

>>576751

http://www.aloneinthewilderness.com/