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It didn't start so I have an Everstart Maxx charger hooked up to it. The lights turn on only when I try jumpstart it. It failed the pretest and went into conditioning mode for 12 hours and it still didn't charge
What do I do?
Pretty sure I still have a warranty on it

>> No.2757845

>>2757839
If it’s under warranty, go exchange it for a new one. Lead acid batteries don’t like sitting flat for that long and you can’t just recharge them like a cell phone that you put away with 50% battery for a couple months. Let it go low for a week and it will never come back to 100%

>> No.2757847

>>2757845
Fuck's sake
Thanks for the advice.
Time to bike with it 3 miles to shartmart
Oy vey

>> No.2757849

>>2757839
>>2757845
Also they will probably test it at the store before exchanging it. Walmart is one of the easiest for returns. If they charge it and it tests good, then at least you have a charged battery to bring back home and maybe your charger is shitty. But 90% chance the battery is toast… don’t let them sit for a month without a tender on them or fire it up a couple times.

>> No.2757852

>>2757849
This. I run a battery charger at super low power whenever I know my shitty Ford is going to sit for a week, since it will inevitably die. I use an RV grade new agw or wtv battery and it still dies in a week or two. Parasitic draw on 2015 Ford transit sucks.

>> No.2757855

>>2757847
Look at the sticker. Can’t remember if the Maxx is 2 years or 3 years. If it’s 3 years and you did the little warranty thing where they scanned the 2nd barcode, you should get 3 years from date of purchase (which is probably a month or three after the MFR date sticker), and if it never got registered, they should give you 3 years from the date on the sticker. Even if it was your fault for letting it go flat, it’s still under warranty.

Worst case they may want to charge it for an hour or so, they will probably want to test it and you can’t test a flat battery. But if it’s a damaged battery with a low state of charge, their little charging machine will probably attempt to charge it for 5 minutes and then they can test it again so they have proof it’s dead.

I hate Walmart, but they have some of the best prices and warranties on batteries, especially compared to the auto parts stores. Their warranty process is fairly easy assuming you can find an employee to help you.

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>>2757852
It’s not even 100% parasitic draw. Lead acid batteries self discharge pretty fast, and when they get low, they get damaged internally, and pretty sure that snowballs as the batteries go flat faster as they’re damaged and get even more damaged.

Also if OP’s is still under warranty, he should be happy he’s getting a brand new battery that should have another 3 year warranty

>> No.2757891

>>2757858
The screw and the bolt is rusted on one of the connections
What should I do?

>> No.2757904

>>2757839
FYI if the battery were no longer under warranty, you could try restoring it using e.g. the Epsom salt method. When batteries are deeply discharged, sulfate builds up on the plate. It adds too much resistance to allow charging. You drill a small hole in the multiple compartments of the battery and you pour some amount of Epsom salt to help get the sulfate off. You can repeat the process maybe two or three times over the life of the battery before you have to flush the sulfuric acid (a bitch) or replace the lead plates altogether.

>> No.2757909

>>2757891
Pry it off. It's lead, a very malleable metal. Then you can chop off the terminal and replace with pic related. You can also get a battery lug with additional terminals (more screws) if you want to run more circuits like an amp or an inverter.

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>>2757891
This pretty much >>2757909

If the terminal is all fucked up, that’s no good for the car and battery anyway. Walmart probably sells replacements, make sure your battery cable is long enough if you chop the old one off and get the right one for your battery type.

Dielectric grease or whatever battery spray or goop will help with that in the future.

>> No.2757921

>>2757917
Cool

>> No.2757922

Throw it straight into the ocean

>> No.2757926

>>2757904
There is no lead “plates” in lead acid car batteries. It uses a lead paste to increase the surface area.
Lead plates would make a very good battery, they exist, but it would have to be very large to get the amount of CCA you need to start a car. It would also last a long time and be able to sustain deep cycles.

>> No.2757953

>>2757926
Ok but still sulfate will build up on whatever shape of lead there is, of which they are layered like plates (even if they aren't plates as such) and the Epsom salt method will help "revive" old batteries.

>> No.2757973

>>2757847
>jump start the car
>drive to wally world
>???
>profit you dumb gorrila nigger

>> No.2757974

>>2757973
My Everstart Maxx starter isn't working
It's Over

>> No.2757987

>>2757974
jump
start
the
car
>JUMP START
>JUMP
jump start the car you afrikkans

>> No.2757988

>>2757987
It's in the garage
It's over

>> No.2757992
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2757992

>>2757988
push it out you soi noodle, I mean ffs how have you survived this long?

and by PUSH I mean
1. you have someone sit in the car ready to hit the brake so you don't wind up as a youtube short
2. you have them put the car in NEUTRAL. this is possible with the key
3. ensure they are not hitting the brake
now the important boomer advice
4. you don't push the car you pick a tire an ROLL it with your hands to make the car move. keep going momentum is your fren, even your little soi noodle arms can move a car this way

>> No.2757996

>>2757839
It's shot.
If your car is a shitbox, and you don't have triple A, jump start it with another car, and rag on the accelerator until you get to autozone. If manual, you already know how to keep it idling. If it's automatic, press the gas and brake together at every traffic light.
Buy a new battery.
Swap the battery in parking lot, quickly, so they don't have time to call the cops to make you leave the lot.

>> No.2758001

>>2757992
I'm a NEET incel hermit loner

>> No.2758114

>>2757845
Lead acid batteries are probably the easiest batteries to re-charge. I agree it is not good for them to go flat, but they can and do come back from that. Now AGM batteries are damn near impossible to bring back. They are finicky bullshit once they go flat.

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>>2757922
picrel

>> No.2758141

>>2757953
you can just charge them verry verry long ant they desulphate from alone,

i had a completly dead AGM battery hooked up to a old anemic solar pannel for like a year and it worked good enought to crank the car after siting a week or so,
Problem with regular batterys is the lead paste will often fall down into the bottom (especially if you charge it with lots of current and bubbling) and modern batterys have no room for that in the bottom anymore so it shorts out the cells.

>> No.2758154

>>2757996
Do you not have free home delivery on batteries?

>> No.2758222

If you have a vehicle that is regularly going to be unused for long periods of time you should look into a lithium car battery.

>> No.2758241

>>2757839
>Pretty sure I still have a warranty on it
replace

>>2757904
this rarely works and require more effort than just replacing it. if it does work it only extends the life of the battery a few months.

>>2757953
"revive" so called.

I have tried several desulphation methods and none of them have worked.

I have a charger that has a sulphation mode and have tested it on many batteries it has never worked.

modern car batteries have such small spaces between the plates that when even a tiny amount of sulphation builds up it shorts the plates and cannot be removed.

>> No.2758307

>>2758114
The point was more that they won’t be like a cell phone where you can put it away at 52% battery and fire it back up with 20%-40% battery weeks later. Once they go flat, they start losing their balls pretty quickly and will never recharge with their full charge. You can bring the voltage back up, but it won’t last long.

>>2758154
If Walmart does have free home delivery, I’m sure it would be near impossible to get a battery warrantied that way, let alone getting the core charge for returning the old battery.

Might be able to deliver the new one and return the old one the next day for the core charge, but if you wanted to go back the next day and get a full refund on the battery still under warranty after you installed the new one, they probably won’t do it. Based on my last battery exchange at Walmart, it was a 51R Maxx and I went to 4 different stores that didn’t have it in stock. One of them charged and tested it and confirmed it was bad but wouldn’t give me store credit to go search at other stores without dragging the battery around. Another store had the Silver 51R, and I said I didn’t even care if I lost the $40-$50 on the exchange, but they wouldn’t do it. So I had to go to store #5 to find the same 51R Maxx to finally get it warrantied.

Also all 4 of the prior stores said they had multiple 51R Maxx batteries in stock and none of them had it.

>> No.2758316

GUHBLOOSH…..in the ocean she goes

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>>2758316
Splush

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2758413

Road 2.5 miles on my rickety bike, had them test it for 90 minutes while I crossed the creek to the trail behind Walmart, road 2.5 miles back and stopped by scooters for a free coffee and mcdonnels for 2 cheeseburger
Plugged in the battery and got 2 1/4 lbers
Put a 15lb turkey in the smoker with hickory
Now I'm breaking my 18 hour fast with a feast and vodka/black cherry juice and V8 watching Crocodile Dundee
Based and NEETpilled

>> No.2758415

>>2758114
>Now AGM batteries are damn near impossible to bring back.
depends on why they went flat. they can be bad and it's hard to tell, my old ones were shit but I've had my AGM batteries at 3v twice and they still last for days once back.

>> No.2758417

>>2758413
DID THE CAR STATR%

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>>2758417
There was even a spark ever the last crank of the wrench on the bolt

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>>2758417
There was even a spark after the last crank of the wrench on the bolt

>> No.2758424

>>2758415
Mine had to be replaced.
Wonder what they do it with though it's not my problem anymore

>> No.2758463

My neighbor gets me a deal on interstate batteries. $50 a battery. Brand new Group 31's Group 65's and red top Optimas are what I usually get from him. He'll even warranty them for me... Not sure how legal it is, but I'm not gonna question it, just tickled pink I can get them for that price!

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>>2757922
Based

>> No.2758485

>>2758241
The battery I'm using right now was run flat for years in the car I'm driving after it was abandoned.
I just hooked a bunch of batteries and chargers up to it and cooked it with 48 volts 50 amps for half an hour because I wanted it to explode.
Went from not even registering as a battery on the tester to testing perfectly good.

>> No.2758578

>>2758485
Things that never happened for 100 alex

>> No.2758581

>>2758485
Cool story bruh

>> No.2758797

>>2757849
This learned the hardware with atv bats

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>>2758578
>>2758581
This is the first attempt trying to just force charge it with 12v. Linked them all in series afterward with several chargers because I was irritated and wanted it to explode.

>> No.2758934

>>2757839
Do your part and chuck it into the ocean.

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>>2758932

>> No.2759208

>>2758932
Lol. WTF?

>> No.2759210

>>2758932
Thats methd up

>> No.2759775

>>2757839
>dident use car battery for a month.

Should be safe to drink now anon

>> No.2759784

>>2758413
Lol could you not have called an Uber and had him ferry you to walshart?
Heck even a neighbor you could ply with gas money?

>> No.2760195

If you bring additional cores to the automotive chain, they give you additional money off.

1 for the core charge (exchange)
+ 5 = $50 off. 5 max (in this case, call ahead).

Every core you see is $10 plus a bad ass weight to stop stuff blowing away (like tarps).

>> No.2760248

>>2760195
>If you bring additional cores to the automotive chain, they give you additional money off.

What stores do this? Every place I have ever bought batteries had a strict one core per battery purchased policy. I take my extras to the scrap yard where they pay me by weight.

I'm the guy above that gets $50 batteries off my neighbor and he doesn't collect cores when I purchase them so I end up with a surplus of cores.

>> No.2760304

>>2760248
Advanced Auto.

Call Oreillys and Autozone. Because I definitely remember one of them, probably OReilly's, also offers cash per core; it's not strictly for the purchase of a new battery.

Maybe the scrap yard will give you a better price. Me, I had to go to one place, 30 miles away in either direction, to get a single battery. Using a little car, and with 600lbs of returning batteries in it; it's not meant for larditarian modern ameripersons. Wanted to dump them at once, at the same place I was picking up the new one.

>> No.2760316

>>2760195
>>2760304
Have you ever gotten cash or store credit back for a core without putting the money towards another purchase?

i’ve gone back later with the receipt to get my core charge back after I replace it with a new part, but I bet most managers wouldn’t want to do that shit. The exception might be the battery core charge because most places that’s actually a state rule to keep people from tossing lead acid batteries in the trash can, so there’s a chance you could get $15 back at Walmart for a dead battery you found on the street.

>> No.2760392

>>2757839
Just throw it in the ocean and move on with your life

>> No.2761039

>>2760316
Yes.

>> No.2761136

>>2761039
How many times? Did they ever refuse the shit?

I had a couple batteries and thought about going back for the core charge, but I said fugidaboudit because I figured they would turn me away so I went to the fishin pier with them instead.

>> No.2761177

>>2757839
Do this outside. There is a chance you can cause a fire.

Get a good battery, connect it in parallel to the dead one. Connect your charger and let it do it's stupid check. Disconnect the good battery and leave it charge. If you charger has a speed setting charge it as slow as possible.

>> No.2761178

>>2761177
Also keep checking it like every 15 minutes for the first 2 hours to make sure it isn't getting super hot. If it hasn't caught on fire by then it will probably be fine albeit with diminished capacity, but leave it to finish charging outside.

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2761181

>>2761177
>>2761178
Lucky for people like OP, most newer chargers go into the failsafe mode pretty easily. I have one of those gay Viking chargers from Harbor Freight, works ok but doesn’t like to charge anything under 12.0 or 11.0, I forget. But it won’t even attempt to charge a battery with a dead cell or one that’s damaged or has been sitting for a year… unless you’re me and you jump it off a good battery to give it some artificial high voltage closer to 12V so it starts the cycle.

>> No.2761949

>>2761136
brother bepis, ask the abbot.

>> No.2762020

>>2757858
I replaced 3 batteries in my family fleet several years back with bosch 5 year warranty ones. All three failed just within warranty period. I had receipts for all of them and over the six month period i returned them, the supplier ( eurocarparts uk) tested them and then gave me a replacement. However they gave me my original receipt back and told me that the replacement had the remaining time of warranty left that my faulty one had giving me a few months. I thought it might have been a staff error but this happened when i returned the other two with different staff members. Never buying bosch again, Yuasa all the way. Damn battery jews.

>> No.2762024

>>2761181
The way i get dead battery going is using an old charger from the 70's that i got from my father that puts enough voltage into dead batteries to lift the voltage to a level where i can then put my Ctek charger on without it tapping out with an error. I think all these so called smart chargers wont attempt to charge anything less than 3 or 4 volts. However im having thoughts about my Ctek charger not being all i thought it was when i bought it several years ago as a maintenance charger on whichever vehicle i wasn't using and wonder if it might even be responsible for killing the three bosch batteries which i mentioned on earlier post. Some people might say getting 4.5 years from a battery is good however i got 14 years from the original factory fitted battery in my 2002 bmw which im 2nd owner and bought from a family friend who confirmed he'd never put a new battery in the 7 years he owned it before me. Maybe they are using different materials in batteries now because of some green agenda or BlackRock battery company are all jewing us more now

>> No.2762172

>>2761181
wow look how clean those meters are!
nice photoshoot

>> No.2762183
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>>2762024
>3 or 4 volts
Wew lad, the Viking won’t go anywhere near that. It doesn’t like <11V because it could potentially be a dead cell.

>>2762172
4u bby!

That being said, those Klein meters do not like the usual automotive fluids. Not like I was dumping the thing in ATF either, I think some PB got on it and the orange outer soft case started crumbling.

>> No.2762266

>>2762024
The 'old charger' - and you can still find these more manual shop chargers - have a 150amp option. You boil the battery for about 15 min, caps off, checking water levels, then let it cool for an hour. Repeat 5x and it refreshes them. Same idea if you're using a stick welder.

What happens is, as soon as a lead-acid sits, it starts sulfating. That high-charge reverses it. A regular charger isn't going to do it.

>> No.2762301

>>2762183
>Wew lad

>4u bby!

The sad thing about this guy is I think he's trying to fit in, and is just inept at everything.

>> No.2762531

>>2762266
having a charger that puts out 150 amps won't do any good on a battery that isn't drawing that much.

to desulfate a battery you just need an old school charger that puts out 15vdc at no more than .1c amps for the battery in question.

this is called a maintenance charge and in ye olde days was a common thing to do with the older batteries that had pure lead plates.

modern plates are not pure lead and are so close together that they often short out.

the results are that a maintenance charge will desulfate all the cells except the shorted one which will get hot. if one or more cells is getting hot but the rest are just warm then the battery is toast.

I have heard of people blasting batteries with as much as 32vdc and I have tried this. the results were the shorted cell got very hot and the battery never could recover.

the best thing for lead acid batteries is to keep them constantly fully charged. I have a truck that I only drive 2 or 3 times a year. I keep a small battery maintainer in it and because of that the battery in it is almost 4 years old. that may not sound like much for some climates but for where I live it's last 2 years longer than other batteries where I did not do this. I also check the water in it every 2 months.

>> No.2762573

>>2762301
>trying to fit in on 4chan
Pleaaasssseeee be my friend! I promise I’m cool!

Which reminds me, I had to go to this goofy ass D&D or Magic whatever place for work back in the day like once a month, it was filled with nerds who definitely post here, and I would be cool with them just like any other account I had. I’ll never forget it because they would all look at me like a girl whose super into you, maybe you’ve never had that experience, but think about how you tried to act cool in front of the hot girl in school or the captain of the football team. They were all ‘mirin so hard, kinda like when I walk into a room of Colombian girls, except I think the nerds at the card game place had more envy and less lust.

>>2762531
So it’s high voltage? Just 15V? I may dick around with the variable power supply. Although seems like more than half the batteries I run through will drop a cell and end up at ~10.5V before they get weak from sulfating or whatever.

>> No.2763721

>>2762531
> 150 amps
That setting also increases the voltage. The digital ones probably won't work for this. Too many safety latches.