Worse than asbestos

[Anonymous No.2690163]

What can you say about drywall panels, lads? Personally I think this material is an obvious sign of cheapskate folks involved in construction works. It gets easily destroyed with even the insignificantly low levels of moist, it gets easily crushed even by kids' toys, it looks soulless and is extremely fragile overall. Wood panels seem to be a rather better material to work with, since it's a pretty cool guy and doesnt afraid of anything, honestly speaking. Wood panels can withstand any amounts of moist if treated with right chemicals, they can withstand a moderate occasional hits, it holds screws better than drywall and never crumbles. Discuss.

[Anonymous No.2690166]

[Anonymous No.2690168]

>Complaining about moisture in DRY wall.

[Anonymous No.2690169]

[Anonymous No.2690173]

>>2690168
>t. never seen a drywall mold

[Anonymous No.2690178]

>That's the top-level panels, everyone is using them today! They're cheap and good!

(((Wood is not for you anymore, white man)))

[Anonymous No.2690180]

>Nope, that window is not for opening, friends. It's for observing the world through the glass only.

[Anonymous No.2690182]

>>2690163
>>2690166
>>2690169
>>2690178
It's cheap, easily patchable which is good if you have kids or own rentals, and when done right it lasts for decades. You're posting poor install jobs and images of water damage and roof leaks. Guess what, wood doesn't hold up to water either, I guess we should start using metal i-beams and composite for all our subfloors. Nobody is going to agree with you because your argument is retarded and this thread is garbage even by /diy/ standards.

[Anonymous No.2690183]

>>2690163
Sturdy and comfy

[Anonymous No.2690186]

>>2690182
>t. poor retard who knows no better material than calcium dust inside a paper

Your life is garbage, faggot. /diy/ always was good for shitting on cheap materials for a reason.

[Anonymous No.2690188]

I don't really like the appearance or feel of drywall either but it does make installation and repair pretty easy.

[Anonymous No.2690189]

>>2690182
>It's cheap
I was just about to argue OP about cheapskates, now you prove his words lol

[Anonymous No.2690190]

>>2690188
Sure, it's easy to work with, but is it really too difficult to frame a plywood panel also? A good saw, right amount of sanity, at least one strong arm and that's it - your home is clean of cancerous drywall and looks better.

I always treated drywall panels like a cheap garbage for city flats, but today everyone uses them even in remote rural areas sometimes. That's sad.

[Anonymous No.2690191]

>>2690163
It sucks. Thank god I made my house from ICF, so all my walls are stucco or ceramic tiles, as any white person should have.

[Anonymous No.2690194]

Pure soul

(Also smells heavenly)

[Anonymous No.2690195]

>>2690191
>ICF
Concrete is a good way to go also! Goodspeed, bro.

I just saw recently how my neighbors installed drywall panels to stick ceramic tiles to them afterwards. Will see how long will they last.

[Anonymous No.2690197]

>>2690163
>letting wood panels conceal rot and moister behind your walls
This is not what you want.

Some well placed shiplap is a nice thing. You should probably Venetian plaster your house like a real chad.

[Anonymous No.2690198]

Fuckers just don't want to build properly anymore. Those who promote drywall panels must hang.

[Anonymous No.2690199]

>>2690178
Nice cove around that drop ceiling looking ass shit.

[Anonymous No.2690200]

>>2690197
You see, wood panels never rot when treated right. Drywall panels literally can not be tread with fungicide chemicals and anything else. Add some moist and they're gone. Wooden boards are still look good even when untreated sometimes, on some historical houses, for example.

[Anonymous No.2690201]

Fit for outside use also, what you surely can't say about faggy drywall

[Anonymous No.2690202]

>>2690198
>metal cleat on exterior wall
>open concept with singular bearing wall
>"Where are my joists?"
>"Trust me bro it's sturdy."

[Anonymous No.2690203]

>>2690200
Yeah treated wood really lasts forever.

That or you could seal your exterior like a civilized primate.

[Anonymous No.2690204]

>>2690201
That's where you're wrong friend. America finds a way.

[Anonymous No.2690209]

>>2690163
>spending your free time shitposting about dry wall
yikes

[Anonymous No.2690210]

>>2690183
It is, but it fades so bad. When you move a picture or something you're left with a dark partch. Also any repair is quite noticeable and any unique style or dimension is unavailable at stores 10 years later.

[Anonymous No.2690312]

I just bought a house and the walls are made of dogshit drywall. I already put some dents in the stuff pulling out weird cabinets the previous owner had mounted. I'm a poor retard that is moderately handy, though most of my experience is in motors and electronics. How the fuck am I supposed to work with this shit? I wanted to line a wall with bookshelves but now am not confident that the material will be able to support all the weight of a wall of books.
Should I just build a bookshelf or will the cheap shit hold?
also, holy shit is it a lot of work owning a house. day 3 and im already feeling overwhelmed.

[Anonymous No.2690330]

>>2690312
The drywall itself needs twist anchors or toggle bolts to hold weight. Think of drywall like 1/2 inch of chalk inbetween two pieces of paper. If you locate the wood framing behind then you can attach whatever you want securely.
Joint compound basically works similar to cement. It's a fluid that dries hard to whatever shape you tool it to. Cement makes a chemical bond however. Compound is sandable and can be cleaned up with water dry or otherwise.

[Anonymous No.2690383]

>>2690183
> comfy
Fire hazard. I used X-rated drywall ceilings, it’s pretty tough.
>>2690180
That’s the latex paint. Use oil based paint with zinc napthenate in it to eliminate the problem.

>>2690195
Concrete and tile backerboard are similar to drywall, and better in some ways, just use those in wet/damp areas if need be.


You can paint and seal drywall. If you use something that penetrates, it’s incredibly hard like plastic.

[Prez/o/ No.2690406]

>>2690163
Plaster was used in the past to smooth rough walls made from cinder block, brick or stone or wooden slats. Workers would plaster every wall top to bottom to achieve a flat paintable surface fit for an interior dwelling. Drywall is the answer to that labor intensive task. its just a board of plaster.
Poor countries still plaster the entire walls because labor is cheaper than drywall. I hired newly imported mexicans once when I flipped and they were plastering EVERYTHING.
Wood panels look ugly and you’d have to plaster anyway to achieve a uniform flat surface fit for paint.

[Anonymous No.2690437]

>>2690163
>Wood panels can withstand any amounts of moist if treated with right chemicals
and drywall can withstand any amount of moisture if you keep it dry
all i'm saying your logic is retarded, but that's probably because the person behind it a retard

[Anonymous No.2690439]

>>2690198
i hope you didn't post that photo as an example of properly built house

[Anonymous No.2690444]

wood interiors are a fire hazard and pretty sure they aren't code

[Anonymous No.2690580]

>>2690437
Jeez, you really are a shit-guzzler, matey
>drywall is fragile shit, so don't touch it and it won't crumble!

Fuck you and all your family, you asswipe.

[Anonymous No.2690581]

>>2690444
Wood interiors are not a fire hazard. If something will begin to burn inside your house drywall won't save it from getting ruined.

[Anonymous No.2690582]

>>2690406
If wood panels are ugly why all the wealthy guys and designers use them to decorate their homes? While drywall panels are commonly found in cheap houses of stupid plebs.

[Anonymous No.2690583]

>>2690383
Agree on everything except fire hazard of wood panels use. Those goddamn panels do not get lit on their own. If the fire burns on the floor drywall panels won't stop it from consuming your furniture and the whole house afterwards.

[Anonymous No.2690586]

>>2690312
Drywall won't let you decorate it with bookshelves, since it will crumble like dry shit (alike to shit that those who like drywall panels have in their stupid heads). Previous owner was a complete faggot.

You need to know what is under the panels. If there are wooden bars or concrete - just get long bolts for wood/concrete and drill them through the fucking drywall until they clutch like hell to what is behind it. Normal material will hold your bookshelves alright.

[Anonymous No.2690587]

>>2690583
Drywall doesn't burn if you throw it in a bonfire. Use whatever you want and see how long your next Hawaiian house stands.

[Anonymous No.2690588]

>>2690210
Not every sort of wood fades, bro. Pine boards I have in my house still have that cozy light-tawny tone that hasn't faded after a decade-long period of time.

[Anonymous No.2690589]

tl;dr diy shop for a stud finder. Step two, don't screw into something that's not a stud.

[Anonymous No.2690590]

>>2690209
>defending drywall
What a faggot you are

[Anonymous No.2690592]

>>2690204
Well, this is a special sort of drywall. I have nothing against it since it is specially designed to be sturdy. In contrast to common drywall that crumbles in your hands (if you're not a feeble faggot).

[Anonymous No.2690593]

>>2690200
brown hands typed this, opinion out the window.

[Anonymous No.2690594]

>>2690587
Ah, you're mentally challenged, that's fine. Don't throw things in bonfires it can hurt you, fella.

Try setting your fucking furniture ablaze and tell me how drywall panels would stop the fire from consuming the whole house. You stupid fucking cunt.

[Anonymous No.2690595]

drywall is literally the easiest and cheapest material to work with. if you have moisture issues, then you need to find out why and not chimp out over the fucked up drywall.

[Anonymous No.2690597]

>>2690593
He's right, despite his nationality. Wood panels can serve for decades and more, while drywall shit will crumble in two or three generations under the weight of goddamned bookshelves. You won't find any fucking drywall in Buckingham palace, though you'll find lots of yew and pine boards inside. You insufferable cheap faggot.

[Anonymous No.2690599]

>>2690595
Nobody chimps out, bro. Just hate the fucking drywall. I am an old man, and I used to work with metal, concrete, bricks, and wood for all my life. Now fuckers buy these goddamn chalk-shit-paper panels for every house they live in. I just don't like it. Houses get soulless due to stupid people trying to save up a spare fucking penny.

[Anonymous No.2690602]

>>2690595
>easiest
Also the most fragile, its dust can cause cancer, and it looks like it was designed for people with Down syndrome

[Anonymous No.2690605]

Why can't people just admit that drywall panels really are shit tier and the only good quality they have is their relatively low prices? Poor people take cheapest materials (drywall, styrofoam etc), people who can afford themselves better materials get materials that are more expensive (wood, Venetian plaster). Rich faggots use marble and shit. It all is quite obvious, there's nothing to even argue about. Rather a strange thing to discuss at /diy/, also.

[Anonymous No.2690623]

>>2690605
I don't know which section of Park Avenue you live in, but here in NC millionaire homes have sheetrock walls just like everyone else. I've been in enough mansions in Governor's Club to know this. AND THEY WORK JUST FINE.

[Anonymous No.2690655]

>>2690597
ive seen 50yr old drywall, and it had plenty of strength. its called drywall my guy, if the paper sheathing is compromised and water wicks into the drywall material itself then of course it will fall apart. now guess what, wood does the same shit. you think the Buckingham has water leaks? no, thats why it has old wood in it. they probably have walls made with old plaster and lathe, as well as drywall in there. your average house doesnt have a maintenance crew working around the clock, just the homeowner.

[Anonymous No.2690656]

>>2690602
who gives a fuck if its fragile, if you feel the need to bust your walls then youre a kyle who needs anger management or a complete fucking moron that never knew what careful means.

[Anonymous No.2690945]

>>2690656
why dont you just build your house out of styrofoam
it's even cheaper and IMAGINE all the electric bill you could save by its insulating properties

[Anonymous No.2690966]

>>2690594
It's a burn pile, genius.

Fire rated materials are intended to slow the spread for a set amount of of time until it can be managed. If fresh air isn't reaching the flame then it will choke itself to a crawl. There are osb firestops in dead spaces and ceilings of houses. I'll bet even you can burn osb with less difficulty than gypsum.

[Anonymous No.2690999]

>>2690945
Yes.

[Anonymous No.2691008]

>>2690945
because when styro burns it releases toxins that kill you pretty quickly. make a better argument numbnuts.

[Anonymous No.2691024]

>>2690599
Not old enough to remember that houses used to be made of plaster and lath… which is basically making your own drywall in-situ.
A technology adaped from roman times.

[Anonymous No.2691027]

>>2690945
yeah just use thermalspan

[Prez/o/ No.2691357]

>>2690582
Wealth doesn’t imply taste, tween.

[Anonymous No.2691372]

>>2691024
Stop fucking lieing you trump loving loser

[Anonymous No.2692787]

>>2690945
build it out of bricks and concrete and wrap it in styrofoam
's how EVROPA does it
>>2690999
checked but also has been a thing in my cunt for decades and no one I mean LITERALLY NO ONE does it
>>2691008
we have mineral wool boards as a thing as well (literally identical method of installation) it's just more expensive

[Anonymous No.2692870]

>>2690594
Go read the NFPA, it's a very nice document. Type X drywall is rated to withstand much longer in a fire than regular. This means that the firefighters have 20-30 more minutes to go rescue little mittens hiding under your bed before the floor above the room collapses. It does not mean that the house will survive, but it might save a life.

[Anonymous No.2692872]

>>2690182
This house I'm in has 60s era drywall and it is STRONG as hell.

[Anonymous No.2692876]

>>2690190
>frame a plywood panel
What, you just cut a piece of plywood and nail it to the wall? Paint it after? That must look disgusting.

[Anonymous No.2693080]

>>2690163
OSB + Drywall over it. Limewash it for a rustic look.
Drywall has pretty good sound-insulating properties. I wouldn't ever mount drywall directly to a frame because that's just lazy and weak, but combined with even a 12mm OSB panel it's my go-to.
Easy to cut to measure, satisfying to work with and you finish it in any way you want afterwards.
Paint, rough stucco, paneling, bricks are all possible.

There's a reason plaster has been around for centuries. This is just a more accessible way to do it.

[Anonymous No.2693130]

>>2692872
that's assbestos

[Anonymous No.2693148]

>>2693130
Negative, the building has been tested in the past for asbestos.

[Anonymous No.2693174]

>>2690182
>metal I-beams
Dangerously based

[Anonymous No.2693217]

>>2690588

Pine fades just like any other wood. The fading does depend on exposure to UV light however, so it's not so bad if you have modern windows that block much of the UV.

[Anonymous No.2695735]

>>2690163
>drywall: exists
>balkan mfs:
literally used for everything BUT walls

[Anonymous No.2695738]

>>2690163
When dealing with dry walls, if you get moisture, then it means it needs a fan system in the house to produce an airflow.

[Anonymous No.2695772]

>>2690210
Wood also absorbs smell. I’ve got some pine boards in the bathroom and there’s always this small tinge of shit lingering about no matter how clean the bathroom is.

[Anonymous No.2695855]

>>2695772
thats why you coat your wood to prevent it dumbass

[Anonymous No.2697436]

>>2690163
just use wood

[Anonymous No.2697439]

>>2690163
>cheapskate
it works, but yeah it is cheaper
>easily destroyed
stop going on drunk benders. If you are that worried use OSB behind it and 3/4 or 5/8 drywall.
>soulless
it's 2023, there is no soul anywhere.
wood paneling is expensive and timeconsuming. If you are worried about drywall+moisture get the greenboards. That should help some.

I enjoy working with it...well besides the dust. When you have one of the nice drywall drills that depth lock the screws it's comfy putting it up. I just treat it like cardio.

[Anonymous No.2697631]

>>2690180
that is skimcoat on mortar on brick
t. yuropean

[Anonymous No.2697898]

>>2695735
okay I thought we were bad but
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rk8shQbI7k

[Anonymous No.2697901]

>>2690183
My bedroom needs to be swept constantly because the wood paneling sheds splinters and in general is crumbling. Terrible trash though maybe the new stuff is good, these panels from the 1980s are in rough shape.

[Anonymous No.2697907]

>>2690186
I thought drywall was mostly gypsum. Maybe I'm just retarded.

[Anonymous No.2697911]

>>2697907

simmer down you all

Drywall is a panel made of calcium sulfate dihydrate (gypsum), with or without additives...

[Anonymous No.2697912]

>>2690163
If we're being real, they both kinda suck. Drywall absorbs water and is fragile. Wood also absorbs water and it's a poor insulator. We can absolutely do better than mineral dust and cellulose. If I had it my way, we'd have modular panels that clip into the frame. Think Star Trek where they just pull a chunk of the wall off and start working on stuff behind it.

[Anonymous No.2697913]

>>2697911
Ah, so I was correct but ignorant. Thank you for educating me.

[Anonymous No.2697919]

>>2690163
>Wood panels can withstand any amounts of moist if treated with right chemicals
yikes
imagine being this cucked by big chemical

[Anonymous No.2697926]

>>2697919
everything is a chemical you ultimate retard

[Anonymous No.2697971]

>>2690210
That clock has been hanging there for at least 15 years, probably much longer, and I couldn't find any fading or color difference.

[Anonymous No.2697987]

>>2697971
Your pic reveals some things missing from this thread: wood panel thickness and quality. Builder grade wood paneling used in tract housing was quite thin and has proven over time to be brittle. The panels in your image seem to be of a high quality and probably greater thickness. I do note on the left side of the image there appears to be blotchiness on some of the panels. Is that original or something that has happened to the panel over time?

[Anonymous No.2697992]

Pic related is what I think of as wood paneling because it is what my family and most everyone else in the neighborhood had when I was a kid.

[Anonymous No.2697997]

>>2697992
that of course is manufactured paneling that has some or no actual wood, and comes in sheets 4x8 feet. Actual paneling made of solid wood is in this guy's post >>2697971

And, before that, walls in upper-class houses were made of fairly large pieces of wood separated by trim.

https://www.vincentreed.com/the-history-of-the-wood-panel/

[Anonymous No.2697999]

>>2697987
Theres a few spots like that. I think it might be varnish that flaked off not sure how to fix it without changing the color. It's in the corner at least, but there are worse spots that got rubbed off but a couch or other furniture.

[Anonymous No.2698007]

>>2697997
I imagine the cost per sq ft is much more similar between the manufactured paneling and drywood than it is between drywood and solid wood paneling.
Maybe the next level up is leather paneling?

[Anonymous No.2698019]

>>2698007
Drywall not drywood. Is Drywall a brand name anyway?

[Anonymous No.2698045]

>>2690163
How expensive would it be to get a concrete 3d printed exterior+basement+foundation for a home? I like the funky look of it, and some of the supposed strengths it has, but still want the interior to not be solid concrete walls...plus, it'd probably be very sturdy.
Or would it be more worthwhile to chop up a meme shipping container or 2 and hack it up to use for the same purpose?

[Anonymous No.2698055]

>>2698045
Eventually 3D printed walls will enable lots of new possibilities but right now you're probably best off just going with a traditional slab and using ICF for the walls.