Does working the trades really destroy your body or is it just a meme?

[Anonymous No.2548090]

[Anonymous No.2548091]

>>2548090
being overweight and eating like shit, while pushing your body probably does it no good.

If tradesmen were healthy, they probably would have no problem long term.

[Anonymous No.2548109]

>>2548090
Most of the people complaining about trades destroying their bodies are either doing jobs that barely qualify as trades, or are omitting the fact that they're a fatass or have some sort of drug addiction. The other small percentage who don't fall into these categories just don't have good technique or planning

t. been in trades for near a decade
12% bf, former swimmer, fighter, lift when I can
I don't drink much, don't smoke weed (unless provided) or cigs. All of my bodily ailments are from sports, nothing permanent from work

[Anonymous No.2548136]

>>2548090
You need to maintain a good fitness level or you are fucked. If your knees or back starts getting bad get out before you seriously fuck yourself. It's incredibly common for somebody's body to be in good order until it isn't. You need to be very proactive in preventative maintenance or you are going to eat shit.

[Anonymous No.2548152]

>>2548090
Depends on the trade. Production framing will regularly see you a bunch of other guys lifting and standing walls since it's easier to prefab than stick frame

[Anonymous No.2548157]

I'm beginning to think it's a meme. There are farmers that are spry well into their 70s. my 82yr old neighbor was a tree guy and hes still fit enough to chase his gf out of the house while shouting insults, climb ladders and handle a decent amount of yardwork.

It's being fat and disagreeable that does you in. 60-80lbs overweight, which is pretty common, is like spending every moment of your life carry a bundle of shingles. And when you got into the trades so you could tell everyone to fuck off, its only natural for you not to follow any sort of rudimentary safety precautions, and if you ever step foot in a doctors office youre liable to take a swing at him. Physical fitness is for fags and people that dont work enough, real men have beer guts, and anything that challenges my worldview is wrong.

[Anonymous No.2548171]

>>2548090
Some trades are very high risk jobs.
I injured my wrist from being careless while unloading something not that heavy, and even after recovery, I can still feel a bit of pain at certain angles.

[Anonymous No.2548173]

>>2548171
I forgot to add; other than that and some scars I'm pretty healthy and my arms got thick from lifting shit here and there.

[Anonymous No.2548176]

>>2548090
Depends which trade and if you do it like a retarded cocky boomer or not

[Anonymous No.2548190]

>>2548109
This. You think the 250 lb office drone is in good shape? You think his knees and back aren't fucked up?

[Anonymous No.2548209]

>>2548090

yes it will

t. carpal tunnel surgery haver

[Anonymous No.2548211]

>>2548109
>Most of the people complaining about trades destroying their bodies are either doing jobs that barely qualify as trades, or are omitting the fact that they're a fatass or have some sort of drug addiction. The other small percentage who don't fall into these categories just don't have good technique or planning

bullshit, all it takes is one accident like getting hit with 277v while you're on a 12' ladder and getting knocked off and fucking your back up

[Anonymous No.2548223]

>>2548090
>sharingan

[Anonymous No.2548235]

>>2548090
I’ve worked with old carpenters, old electricians, hell, I know a low voltage alarm guy who’s 83 and still works.

You don’t see old pipefitters or sprinklerfitters. I’m talking Vietnam vet guys. Mandatory retirement at 56 existed for a reason. Those guys retired and then died around 65. That’s why the pension/annuity works, hate to say it.

Eating an Italian sub for lunch every day and slamming six cold ones at the bar at 3:30 certainly doesn’t help, but there are certainly trades you can’t do past the age of 45. Ironworking comes to mind.

[Anonymous No.2548242]

>>2548209
I worked next to a lady in the office. She had her carpal tunnel did and there's another in your elbow. Both only gave a few years of relief and now she can't pickup anything that weighs more than a couple pounds

[Anonymous No.2548324]

>>2548109
>All of my bodily ailments are from sports
sports should be banned, desu~

[Anonymous No.2548325]

>>2548211
You don't have to be a sparkie you know

[Anonymous No.2548330]

How do they cope with fucking up their knees and spine? After being physically destroyed by trades at 35, they still have another 40 years or so to live

[Anonymous No.2548334]

>>2548330
Alcohol and opiates

[Anonymous No.2548335]

Electrician here. Yeah, it can be that bad. I know an early 20s apprentice that already has nerve entrapment on one hand. Not sure what he's been doing exactly but probably related to repetitive movement while the wrist is bent like poor typing form.

I've been put in a few situations that caused unavoidable damage. Only working on your knees for months straight will fuck you up and wearing pads will not help. That unnatural internal pressure will leave an effect. I had to pass copper reels I could barely lift up to someone above me and my shoulder gave out after a few. The weight above me the joint was shoved into itself and I haven't had good ROM since.

Been in 8 years now.

[Anonymous No.2548342]

>>2548335
Sometimes you just have to do what you have to do, but sometimes you can swap a few job functions with the other boys here and there to help with the cumulative stress. ie, you can take on some task that someone else hates while he takes care of the awkward lifting for you. Yeah, it's not always doable.

[Anonymous No.2548344]

>>2548335
Fuck me worst thing happen to a sparky is messing up his pedicure

[Anonymous No.2548347]

You fucking pussies
I’ve been in the trades doing just about all of them for 40 + years. I’m in better shape than 99% of the people my age.

[Anonymous No.2548349]

>>2548342
Practical only to a point. A lot of small shops here and you might be the only guy working in a section, so no swaps. If conditions are especially egregious you can sometimes just refuse or call a BA but apprentices don't get any protection so you have to choose between your health and your job.

[Anonymous No.2548361]

>>2548090
I mean compared to working in an office yea. Using something a lot or putting strain on someonethig a lot will wear it out faster than otherwise.

[Anonymous No.2548368]

>>2548349
Yeah, it is what it is. It's mostly worked out OK for me. Being on a good crew goes a long way.

[Anonymous No.2548399]

>>2548361
>working trades
>destroys your body if you're retarded
>working office
>destroys your soul AND body if you're retarded
People need investments. Relying on a future pension is financial suicide for young people nowadays

[Anonymous No.2548400]

>>2548157
This. It is a meme. Half the fat guys at my job eat like shit, literally talk about how they don't drink water because Monster is so much better, and probably don't stretch outside of the DOT physical where they ask you to touch your toes. It's a goddamn disgrace honestly.

[Anonymous No.2548438]

>>2548109
>t. been in trades for near a decade
Whoa look at this guy, a whole 10 years into his trade and thinks he knows what it's like to be almost 60 and still doing manual labor

[Anonymous No.2548441]

>tfw I'm in great shape but I'm pretend I'm always weak or injured at work so people have to lift shit up for me.

I also have a "fear" of heavy shit falling on me so I've let stuff hit the floor multiple times until the managers decided they don't want me moving anything on dollys anymore.

[Anonymous No.2548529]

>>2548438
If you are 60 and still doing manual labor you either enjoy it or are so dumb you wouldn't have made it in college anyway, or if you somehow managed to pass younwould have been a useless sponges in any company you joined

[Anonymous No.2548538]

>>2548090
>Does working the trades really destroy your body or is it just a meme?
Who are you going to listen to?
The boomers who lived in the golden era of trades, who swore up and down and warned you against them?
Or the high school dropouts who needed a job, who shitpost on 4channel talking about how masculine and manly they are for doing said trades for a few years?

Be wary from whom you take counsel. You only made this thread because you know the answer already, but dont like it.

[Anonymous No.2548559]

>>2548438
I intend to "retire" before 40. Not because I fear being injured, but because working til you're a senior citizen is for stupid people

[Anonymous No.2548575]

Exercise is good for you
Setting in mommies basement on your fat iss will kill you quicker than anything. You zooms and millennials are some pathetic cunts. No wonder you’re a permavirgin you’ll never be a man

[Anonymous No.2548588]

>>2548109
Ive been in trades for over a decade and this poster is a faggot and his dads a nigger. Ask me how i know

[Anonymous No.2548598]

>>2548588
kek my dad actually is from africa, but not a nigger

[Anonymous No.2548605]

>>2548324
Sports should be mandatory desu

[Anonymous No.2548621]

>>2548211
shut up Cody, faggot.

[Anonymous No.2548965]

I think every full-time job destroys your body because you're forced to get up and move when your body may not want to and I'm not talking about "just being lazy."

There are times when my body signals to me that I should lay down and rest because I've strained myself or feeling a little under the weather and I always comply with this. I am privileged with having flexible part-time work that enables me to do this and, coincidentally, I almost never really get sick and have zero aches or pains. I think you fuck up your body when it tells you to "lay down and rest" but you stand up and work anyways because of work obligations. It's actually quite toxic that people are treated like robots in the workplace. Those 10-15minute breaks you get are complete bullshit.

[Anonymous No.2548975]

Wear your PPE anon.

[Anonymous No.2548991]

>>2548090
Yes plenty of trades destroy your body because they are dangerous
>t. Driller (former)

[Anonymous No.2548996]

>>2548965
Ur just lazy

[Anonymous No.2548997]

>>2548190
>Oh no I have to sit in an ergonomic chair and occasionally walk around the office aha

[Anonymous No.2548998]

>>2548090
There's nothing wrong about admitting a physical job takes a physical toll, it should almost be a point of pride

[Anonymous No.2549006]

>>2548991
geotechnical or what?

>>2548965
valid. semi-related, I've seen jobs and crews fall apart because none of the "real men" on site knew how to regularly take heat breaks. working until you get heat exhaustion and forcing the team to work a half day is fucking bullshit honestly, but it's the mindset that prevails.

[Anonymous No.2549019]

>>2548211
All it takes is one loose shoestring to fall down a flight of stairs while carrying a box of printer paper. See everyone can make up wild worst case scenario hypotheticals.

[Anonymous No.2549022]

>>2548998
>it should almost be a point of pride
It absolutely should not be. You are destroying your one and only body for a paltry paycheck while your boss gets rich.

The only one who wants you to take pride in such things is…your boss. A sense of pride will keep you in line, keep you complacent

[Anonymous No.2549023]

>>2548090
it used to but not today. you obviously run a higher risk of an accident but that can happend at the gym too.
>inb4 back and joint pains
i got that still going strong, 23 years into it now.

[Anonymous No.2549358]

>>2548090
everything takes a toll on your body. lay still for a year and see what happens. anon itt mentioned carpal tunnel from too much computer time in the office. my mom's had the same issue as an accountant, it happens. otherwise she's perfectly spry at 50 somthing. pops been a mechanic and Autoglass specialist his whole life, can't say he's got too much wrong with him besides every once in a while his thumb will lock up and he's gotta force it to move again with the other hand. I've taken after him as a
I worked for him for over a decade although I'm actually a differential specialist now but I already have the same issue with my thumb to a lesser extent. genetics? idk I think it's because there's very often times I was stressing my thumb to it's limit pushing moldings on glass, turning bolts, whatever for so long. no different from my mom's issues my pops spry as hell it's hard for me to keep up with him when i go over to help with a project most recently digging a trench to get electricity and water to his new pole barn. he's almost 60. my point is, you're not gonna last forever no matter what you do. what trades do add to the equation is likely hood of accidents that cause immediate sometimes permanent harm. be aware, and don't dumb and you'll be fine.
another thing to mention an anon mentioned sport harming his body, again so does everything you do or don't. however sports will teach you how to react to accidents in the workplace if they happen to you. reactions will be quicker and more effective for example how do you fall? I gaurentee someone that's done sports falls smarter than someone that hasn't. how to roll and absorb the shock of landing. so fuck the guy that says ban sports even if a troll it's a good thing to learn young when your body heals better because when your old, that could be the difference between a broken arm and a bruised ego.

[Anonymous No.2549393]

>>2549358
Everyone pay attention
This is the type of meathead giving you advice ITT

[Anonymous No.2549395]

>>2549393
never even tried cocain, let alone meth. you could attack a point I've made

[Anonymous No.2549398]

>>2549395
It seems like it cant even read.

[Anonymous No.2549402]

>>2549398
oh, you actually meant meat head? I thought that was an insult from like the 80s. these days going to the gym is seen as a positive trait old head. I do not go to the gym either though

[Anonymous No.2549407]

>>2549398
now I get it I think. are you the guy angry that sports exist? Im a skateboarder. about as far from meat head as it gets. maybe swimmers are less built than me kek

[Anonymous No.2549428]

>>2549006
Yup all geotech

[Anonymous No.2550349]

>>2548091
This. Keeping a strong core and not lifting like a idiot goes a long way.

[Anonymous No.2550376]

>>2550349
>>2548091
This is great in theory. But anyone who has ever trained before knows the most important part is recovery.

When you are working trades, you dont get to slow down. You dont get to stop, you dont get to recover.
There are times where you lift stuff you shouldnt, do things just to get the job done.

It breaks you down

[Anonymous No.2550468]

>>2548538
Best post ITT.

[Anonymous No.2550472]

>>2548998
>it should almost be a point of pride
This bullshit is why you see 50+ year old men hobbling around like cripples in every factory in the Midwest.

[Anonymous No.2550491]

>>2548090
Everyone in this thread should check out Joe hippensteel's UHP stretching routine. If you're a poorfag just torrent it. Once you're limber you'll be able to work at any level, I started having problems with my calves which created problems in my knee and then back so badly that I couldn't work for an hour let alone a day and I was only 26. After this program and maintenance I've literally never had another problem and my work quality improved 10x due to not needing to rush because of pain or discomfort.
Seriously anons, you need to take care of yourselves because no one else will.

[Anonymous No.2550507]

>>2550468
Boomers have been wrong about everything, so why would you ever list to them?

[Anonymous No.2550518]

>>2550491
based stretchanon

[Anonymous No.2550530]

>>2550507
>Boomers have been wrong about everything
The white collar boomers who ran the country into the ground did
The boomers which the country was built off their backs are all pretty wise and pragmatic

[Anonymous No.2550540]

>>2550530
Wise doesn't mean intelligent. I generally make friends with older (50+) guys because everyone says I have an old soul. But I constantly hear from them how running a business was a gigantic headache for them and how they hate paperwork. A business is not a headache, continuing to do business with other shitty companies is. We have computers now and you can type and revise instead of handwrite everything, not to mention more efficient tools.
Another thing I notice with them (and most people in general) is they don't have the balls to say what needs to be said in the way it needs to. I constantly advise my friends on how to deal with customers, and they don't repeat exactly what I say the way I say it. Then they end up having the same problems over and over because they sugarcoated it and the customer doesn't get the point

[Anonymous No.2550628]

>>2548090

>tradesman of 10 years.

The answer is complex. Some trades, there is simply no way to do them without damaging your body. Drywall is a perfect example. You can't make drywall healthy, it just isn't good for your shoulders, your neck or back. But some trades you can make healthy IF you practice good body mechanics AND you don't put in too many hours a week.

I do remodeling, and I AT MOST put in 30 hours of labor a week. The rest is bidding jobs, picking up supplies, etc.

And to help out with my body I:
> practice good body mechanics
> stretch 30 min a day
> drink lots of water
> see a chiropractor
> see a massage therapist

Also with any trade you should very quickly either start your own company, or move up into management with the company you are with.

If you are someones bitch and you have been at it for over 2 years, then you fucking up big time.

[Anonymous No.2550781]

>>2550376
Tell your boss you need some quick rests. If he doesn't like it he can get someone of less experience.

[Anonymous No.2550785]

>>2550781
>say people don’t understand muscle recovery
>someone comes in and proves they don’t understand it
Lel

[Anonymous No.2550786]

>>2550628
Golden advice. It took me about three years to go on my own. By the end of year one I was managing the crew, but wasn't enough of a wage increase to stop me from starting my own company.

>>2548090
I started as a tile setter, and much like drywall there is no way around ruining your knees and shoulders pulling trowels and laying tiles on the floor. I went to slab work (stone slabs) which got me up off the ground, but the heavy lifting, dust and chemical exposure was horrible too, so I moved on. Next was stone restoration, I learned the trade over a few years, hustled and then started my own gig. Now I let machinery do the heavy work.

[Anonymous No.2550787]

How does electricity work?
I recently had a well issue, so I learned a bit about well pressure switches and had to replace mine.
First to troubleshoot, and then for safety before replacing, I used a multimeter on my pressure switch when the contacts were open.
I don't know correct terms so I am going to say 'input' to refer to the wires carrying electricity from my circuit breaker to my pressure switch, and 'output' to refer to the wires carrying electricity from my pressure switch to my well pump, sorry if that's the wrong words.
Touching one of my multimeter leads to the input hot wire and the other to the input neutral wire gave me a reading of 220V. Touching one of my multimeter leads to the input hot wire, and the other to either ground or an output wire gave me 110V (when the pressure switch contacts were open, meaning no electricity was flowing through the output wires). Touching one of the leads to the input neutral and the other to ground or output also gave me 110V.
However, it is my understanding that only the hot wire carries electricity from the source (breaker) to the destination (pressure switch or well pump).
So why is it that neutral to ground or neutral to disconnected output was also giving me 110V?
Is this because there was electricity flowing through my breaker box due to my other breakers for my other appliances or what?
What is the neutral wire doing?
Also, my pressure switch has two ground wires, one coming from the input wires and attached to the metal body of the pressure switch, and the other coming from the output wires and attached to the metal body of the pressure switch. Both are connected to the same metal body. Obviously I am going to leave them both attached, but purely theoretically, they serve the same purpose, so I would really only need one or the other of the two ground wires connected, so I could disconnect either one and still be completely safe (assuming there's no broken wire anywhere, etc), correct?

[Anonymous No.2550789]

>>2550787
Fuck sorry, meant to post this as a new thread and it wont let me delete this post

[Anonymous No.2550790]

>>2550785
He's not making you work 24/7, stop your complaining and get your T checked. You're already sounding like a woman.

[Anonymous No.2550794]

>>2550787
If you're in the US this means you have a 240v pump, which wouldn't be strange at all. You get 240v in the US because each side is 120v to ground from opposite directions.

Metal chassis need to be grounded but shouldn't be used as a source of ground, so yes you need to keep the ground wires there. Newest NEC even says the ground conductor needs to be spliced to the next grounding conductor. The screw on the chassis should be fed by a third conductor from the grounding splice

[Anonymous No.2550801]

>>2550785
Isn't muscle recovery mostly done through sleeping? t.just started going to the gym

[Anonymous No.2550804]

>>2550801
You still rest between sets and exercises

[Anonymous No.2550806]

>>2550804
Thanks

[Anonymous No.2550809]

>>2550801
Yes, extensive rest and sleep in between workout days is vital for growth, and more importantly to not cause serious damage.
Good luck telling your coworker you are just going home to sleep.

[Anonymous No.2550812]

>>2550790
>machismo for my bossman!

[Anonymous No.2550813]

>>2550790
>gets advised on how to manage bosses expectations while keeping your health
>nooooo dats not rest I need legos!

[Anonymous No.2551402]

>>2548090
Carrying around a 50 lb backpack 8 hours a day isn’t feeling so good after just a week. I’m in very good shape but I can tell I’ll be fucked if I don’t separate my tools into different bags.

[Anonymous No.2551674]

>>2548538
>The boomers who lived in the golden era of trades
>the era where abusing alcohol, quaaludes, meth, and coke during the workday were commonplace
>even encouraged on many sites if the deadlines were getting tight
>where safety regs were nonexistent, and reporting an employer for abusing you like a nigger was frowned upon

Gee golly I wonder why those guys have shit health. I wonder if there's any connection between the retarded bullshit boomers did on the job and the liability obsessed attitude towards company policy of the modern construction company?

[Anonymous No.2551696]

>>2548090
bruh i'm literally shaking rn

and no this is from being a stay at home dad

[Anonymous No.2551705]

>>2548605
sports should be optional but it shouldn't be lauded as a vocation desu

[Anonymous No.2551709]

>>2548090
destroyed both my hands. crippled by depression over it. workers comp going slow af. MRI so far shows only minor arthritis. Im 39. not sure im going to get money out of this. been doing my job in severe pain last year. all my hobbies are fucked

[Anonymous No.2551726]

>>2548090
Ive had a nagging pain in my shoulder for a week now. Think its from drilling above my head through concrete all day.

[Anonymous No.2551735]

Believe it or not being a machinist will destroy your knees and likey your hands.
While the trades suck less than many or even most other jobs they still suck.
You fucked up bad by not being born independently wealthy.

[Anonymous No.2551777]

>>2548090
ANYTHING YOU DO

NO MATTER HOW FAST YOU RUN

DEATH COMES TO ALL

[Anonymous No.2551903]

>>2551777
Yeah well its nice not being in constant pain from when you're 40 until you're 75. its also nice being able to use your hands after the age of 40. Hands are pretty important

[Anonymous No.2551907]

>>2548090
>Does working the trades really destroy your body or is it just a meme?
Of course it does. You can be healthiest, strongest fucking guy around but thirty years of physical labor is going to take a toll on you.
The guys that get really messed up are like that because they stay in the field long after they should have. By the time you hit forty you better have an exit strategy. I did thirty years and when my back and knees started giving out I got myself a job doing tech support for other tradies.
I feel bad for the guys in their fifties who still have to beat the shit out of themselves to get by. They either don't have the knowledge they need to move up or they have some serious personal issues that keep them out there because they need to money too much.

[Anonymous No.2551914]

>>2551907
I would also like to add that even office jobs will run you down after decades of working. Staring at a computer screen will damage your eyesight, bad backs and knees from years of shitty office chairs, plus the neverending crippling depression.
It's not a meme, things really do start coming apart on you when you hit forty. I didn't see a doctor for ten years, and then I hit forty and in a two year span had three heart attacks, started pissing blood from kidney stones, my back gave out, knee got fucked up, etc. etc.

[Anonymous No.2551933]

>>2551735
I’m a machinist, I’m more worried about my lungs in the short terms. Coolant mist, metal particles and mill scale in the air, vaporized cutting fluid smoke. It can’t be good.

[Anonymous No.2551937]

>>2551914
Yes office jobs can beat you down, but it’s really not fair to compare the two
There are 400lb land whales in a wheelchair who can work an office job

You break your arm and you are unemployed from a trades job

The risk of injury is far less severe, the methods to keep yourself healthy are far easier, and if you do have an unrelated injury you aren’t shit out of luck and on unemployment.

Readies don’t seem don’t realize they are a fender bender away from being out of a fucking job

[Anonymous No.2551940]

>>2551937
>Readies don’t seem don’t realize they are a fender bender away from being out of a fucking job
I thought that was a perk

[Anonymous No.2551944]

>>2551940
That $900 Silverado payment isn’t gonna pay it’s self

[Anonymous No.2551954]

>>2548090
I’m a commercial metal framer and shitrock hanger (aka Carpenter). If you are lifting board all day on the ground you will easily destroy your back and knees if you aren’t taking care of yourself on a daily basis. I’m an installer so I’m usually resting a large amount of the board weight onto a lift. 12x4 sheets of abuse board are absolute dogshit to lift off a board cart. Not to mention all the other shit you have to transport around and up stairs. Not to mention hazardous shit you have to expose yourself to. I got monokote in my eye before and had to get it removed at the doctors, I’ve inhaled an insane amount of brown death insulation packing walls. I’ve been around retard masons cutting block putting dust up everywhere. I’ve literally watched labors dump garbage cans full of concrete dust into hoppers and directly inhale the cloud of toxic silica. I take care of myself and love the work I do but it’s definitely not for everyone. And I haven’t even mentioned the insane drug addicts/Alcoholics you will come across working in construction. Definitely not for everyone and if you work around dickheads and their cocksucking dipshit friends you will not have a good time. Union or not, always find a good outfit of people you can work well with. Finding that is almost priceless and word of mouth and personal connections are pretty much what get you work in my trade. My union is gay as shit

[Anonymous No.2551958]

>>2551903
How does being an office drone help that?

>hunched over a keyboard
>rsi from keyboard
>deep vein thrombosis from sitting all day
>low vitamin d from working inside all day
>have to talk to a blue haired HR office bitch every day

[Anonymous No.2551995]

>>2551958
>How does being an office drone help that?
By not utterly destroying your body physically day in and day out with no reprieve.

You know its bad when your only argument is RSI (which about 6% of americans suffer from including blue collar workers doing repetitive work)
Or DVT, which overwhelmingly over affects over 60s, and extremely overweight people.

That and implying that half of the tradesworkers out there dont actually work in a factory/building all day, and that they dont deal with retarded bosses too.

Not sure why people just refuse to admit the objective reality that manual labor 40-60 hours a week does in fact wear down the body.

[Anonymous No.2552045]

>>2551995
Simple, the office drones not suffering aren't being productive either. They're spending all day talking to becky at the water cooler, getting coffee and going in the yoga room. If you're sitting at a computer for 6-12 hours a day actually coding and getting your tps reports done. You're gonna be wrecked too

[Anonymous No.2552064]

>>2551958
>>hunched over a keyboard
>>rsi from keyboard
>>deep vein thrombosis from sitting all day
>>low vitamin d from working inside all day
>>have to talk to a blue haired HR office bitch every day
HO HO HO HO HO
OWNED

It's a red/pink haired bitch for me

[Anonymous No.2552066]

>>2550491
Sauce me with a torrent i dont have access to my computer for a bit

[Anonymous No.2552094]

>>2552045
lel
The people who code for 12 hours a day are those FAANG types who make triple your salary, have standing desks and $2000 ergonomic office chairs. They are the cliche office provided beer in the lounge, yoga rooms etc.
Maybe its worth potentially being part of the 6% of Americans with sore wrists for the huge paycheck.

In reality, your typical median computer job is you selling insurance, typing an excel spreadsheet, making phone calls etc etc.
I know you want it to be the same greuling meatgrinder that you work in every day with manual labor, but its not. Its the cliche you posted, coffee breaks and water cooler talk with becky.
Not a mad dash to get every ounce of production every second.

Youd be surprised the easy, relatively well paying gigs you can get with just a basic education.

[Anonymous No.2552114]

>>2551954
I love how I can tell you're a fuckin drywaller from how you type lol. I did framing, concrete and rebar for years lol.

[Anonymous No.2552129]

>>2551954
>I’m a commercial metal framer and shitrock hanger (aka Carpenter)
>carpenter
>doesn't work with wood

[Anonymous No.2552157]

>>2552094
>excel and spreadsheets with Becky

Yes absolutely useless labor. If they were all fired no one would give a shit because they don't do anything productive

[Anonymous No.2552169]

>>2551903
>constant pain
have you ever been to the gym and done a hard workout? thats what an harder than average workday feels like. i dont mind either its a good feeling, makes you sleep sooo much better. knowing that its because you did something usefull instead of just lifting random steel also helps.
you guys are just so sheltered you mistake the feeling of doing hard work and feeling a bit exhausted with actual pain, its two quite different things.
im 40, i had a back accident at 18, i still feel it but its never as a pain its just a warning that yeah maybe i shouldnt lift this thing today... if i ignore it and do it anyway then it might be painfull but its still nothing compared to the existensial dread i feel every time i tried to educate myself out of this job. at worst i did a month in the office when i broke my leg, after two weeks i started limping around doing service jobs with my leg in a cask anyway because physical discomfort aka "pain" beats boredom any day.
if you are a pussy then stay in your office but i will always look down on you for it.

[Anonymous No.2552170]

>>2552169
10/10
Perfect job emulating your typical retarded laborer post, /lit/ worthy stuff.

[Anonymous No.2552172]

>>2552157
Funny how they dont get fired, also funny how those type of jobs are everywhere in every field.
It must really hurt to know people get paid as much as you do, and do a fraction of the work sitting in the air conditioning all day.

[Anonymous No.2552180]

yes.
>t.32year old boilermaker with the health of a 55 year old (according to my doctor)

[Anonymous No.2552184]

>>2552170
>t. cries out in pain from changing a flat tire

[Anonymous No.2552192]

>>2548090
My left shoulder required surgery after a few years of trades and a dislocation or two in my youth. it still burns me up after repeated use. the pain will never go away and any physical activity including reaching behind me is a liability. Milking NEETbux for years was fun but It sucks being physically broken.

[Anonymous No.2552223]

>>2551937
>You break your arm and you are unemployed from a trades job
Temporarily, maybe. You could be out of work until you're fully healed, that's why insurance is important. In addition to my medical plan I have supplemental accident insurance. It costs me $1.20 a week but if I get hurt or have another heart attack they pay me $20k up front to cover bills.
>f you do have an unrelated injury you aren’t shit out of luck and on unemployment
I got some bad news for you...your office job can fire you just as easily as a trade job. You get hurt and need to be out a few weeks and there's nothing to stop them from dumping you. They aren't legally required to guarantee your position unless you take FMLA and even then they're only required to offer you a comparable position.
>don’t realize they are a fender bender away from being out of a fucking job
So are you bro. We all are. Your company gets bought out tomorrow you could be out of a job by lunch. The trick is to be good enough at your job that you can find another one easily.

No one is indispensable. No company is going to go under because you don't work there anymore.

[Anonymous No.2552226]

>>2552192
how do you jerk off?

[Anonymous No.2552241]

>>2552172
I know the hard working account reps. They do have fucked up carpal tunnel hands

The fucking useless Becky that spends all day going back forth between coffee and the salad bar? Yes she is useless and wouldn't have gotten injured no matter where she works. Barely capable of gleaning a field

[Anonymous No.2552275]

>>2551937
>You break your arm and you are unemployed from a trades job
no im on paid leave until it heals and i get a soft return with a few weeks of 50% sick pay, usually that means dragging along an apprentice to actually do the job while i point at what he should do with my good hand.
godamn what kind of shitholes do you guys live in?

[Anonymous No.2552278]

>>2552226
two hands as usual, but only when I really need to. Sometimes I can use my mind alone, but I try not to waste my energy on such pursuits.

[Anonymous No.2552286]

>>2548090
Depends on WHICH trade. Machinists (real ones) often like what they do so much they have home shops and some take overflow work form commercial outfits in retirement. They may be 75 and slow but they're good and it's fun.

Hard manual labor is for the yung.

>>2548235
^Wisdom

[Anonymous No.2552293]

>>2552184
Damn, I didnt know you having a chronic bad back and bum leg makes you cry out in pain doing basic car work.
I feel sorry for you anon, hurting your back at 18 is pretty unfortunate.

[Anonymous No.2552297]

>>2552241
Damn, it sure is a coincidence how its only 6% of the population, yet you seem to know all of them!
The hardworking account reps who do tons of phonecalls and in shop visits are more prone to carpal tunnel!
What a bizzaro world we live in, the guys who spend less time behind the keyboard get the keyboard injuries!

[Anonymous No.2552302]

>>2552275
>an apprentice
Look at this lazy union fuck

[Anonymous No.2552527]

>>2548090
i been reading about a possible connection between woodworking and lung diseases because of the sawdust. Also welding and lung issues if poor ventilation. When I was a kid dad would show me how to change the brake pads on the car. He would smoke cigarettes, bang the drum to loosen the asbestos brake pad dust, and after he showed me how to wash my hands with benzene or mineral spirits to get the grime off. So, chemical exposure is a thing, so is slips, trips, falls, electrocution, banging your head, hands, loud noises damaging your hearing. If you are aware and properly trained and careful, you should be able to work a career and die broke after divorce.

[Anonymous No.2552532]

>>2548157
>I'm beginning to think it's a meme.
I broke a nail typing too fast, and once burned my lip because my latte was too hot.
t. field supervisor.

[Anonymous No.2552597]

>>2552293
lol thats you guys who get sore elbows from moving your mouse.
>>2552302
what does apprentices have to do with unions? i never been union thats for bums.

[Anonymous No.2552609]

>>2552169
see
>>2551709

[Anonymous No.2552614]

>>2552184
I compressed the bones in my thumb together destroying the tendon cushioning between them, resulting in bone on bone contact, which is extremely painful.
I also stretched multiple ligaments, resulting in my thumbs being out of position; also painful

It was my job pushing me to do things a certain way and pushing to meet deadlines. would have been fine if they didnt do that. but as it stands, my hands are fucked, and Im in constant pain. Especially when using my hands. I use my hands to do a lot of things, like turn the key in my car ignition, and hold a pen to write. these things are all painful now.

[Anonymous No.2552980]

>>2552172
yeah that's why actual worker's organizing is a thing that's separate from communism, the people who actually do the important things do enjoy some compensation

you guys know the shit you do is useless too because I've told a lot of you as much irl in arguments and their face just falls or they get super mad but they have no counter argument because it's absolutely true

your shit's gonna get fully automated long before mine will too, and industrial automation is rarely fully automatic, you have to have someone who knows basic mechatronics, CAD and whatever process the machine is actually doing to run it properly (me) but you don't need oversight for an AI to assemble spreadsheets

nobody is going to bat an eye when the tech class is on UBI, you deserve it too with your attitude

(also before you say sour grapes I have IT certs and have worked in the field, I just stopped because you're basically dealing with the physical manifestation of reddit all day every day to keep a job)

[Anonymous No.2553016]

>>2552172
Okay Becky. I worked an office job too. I'd get 150-200 widgets closed in a day.
2nd place was 75
Median worker was more like 10.

Sure thing. I'm sure you're totally productive. Not that just you and most of your coworkers are shit at your jobs.

[Anonymous No.2553043]

>>2552980
Holy kek
The cope in this post is off the fucking charts.
It must be bringing up that "existential dread" you were talking about earlier.

[Anonymous No.2553047]

>>2552597
>lol thats you guys who get sore elbows from moving your mouse.
Your lingering back problems are old enough to buy liquor

[Anonymous No.2553062]

>>2553016
You worked harder than everyone else and realized it get you the accolades you thought it would?
Then you quit?
Looking for the Mr Bossmen Hebe Kikeberger who would Dom you and your body hard as he could, to get as much productivity as he could wring from you?

>and then you are going to go home and post on the internet how hot and sweaty you got today, how you worked that sweet ass above and beyond all you other goyim!
>*pats on head*

[Anonymous No.2553064]

>>2553062
>when we get back, you can clean my yarmulke with your tongue serf

[Anonymous No.2553109]

>>2553043
good job proving me wrong boi your gf gets fucked by real men

I'm aware that sounds ridiculous but having worked in IT I've been around you people and you are the purest manifestation of bugman that exists and this routinely happens, stop looking like justin roiland on average and maybe it won't

this is also why no one is going to have any degree of sympathy for you shitheads when your meal ticket runs out

go ahead and talk the shit now you'd say under your breath if at all to me in real life bugman

[Anonymous No.2553113]

>>2553062
If by quit you meant, I went back outside in the sun and got a $10/hour raise. Yeah

[Anonymous No.2553144]

>>2553109
>good job proving me wrong boi
lel
We arent even arguing anything, you are just going on different random tangents on topics only you have brought up.
And im perfectly fine to let you cope yourself up a storm. You can continue to try and justify your choice (or lack thereof) employment all you want, your incoherent ramblings are pretty funny. I mean who would have thought someone would unpromptly calling people like insurance brokers "bugmen" while whining about communism and having cuckoldry on your mind. Especially after explicitly saying you carry supplemental insurance over and above your normal insurance.
Its all a very bizarre trainwreck.

This thread is about OP wondering if he should or shouldnt get into the trades.

What do we get?
Some anon talking about the "existensial" dread he felt when he tried to get a basic education to move on from manual labor.
An anon talking about destroying his back at 18 and living the last 22 years with it lingering in pain.
Anons themselves on the back about how much harder they work, in much worse conditions, for the same or even less pay than the "beckys" in the world who do far easier work.
Loving the feeling of coming home extremely tired like you just did an explosive work out in the gym, 40 hours a week for the next 40 years.
And half of the posts are incoherent and barely readable.

At least it paints a pretty good picture on the caliber of person OP would regularly have to deal with if he did decide to work manual labor.

[Anonymous No.2553156]

Trades work is awful right now. The boomers regulated all the competition into non-existence. It's too expensive to start a new trades company without getting grandfathered in. Then, for work you don't need a licence for, they make the work as unpleasant as possible.

Nobody trains and everyone expects you to come to the company with 2+ years of experience. You'll get your first job by lying. You'll get your second job when you have to jump ship before your boss catches on.

The tools all cost 4x as much as they did in the 80's so as a kid out of high school (let's be honest: out of college) you need to sign up for predatory loans to afford enough tools to do basic work.

You also need your own truck. You won't get the job if you show up in a sedan because they want someone who can be the delivery boy on slow days.

Oh, all that heavy shit they just told you to drive to the jobsite? Guess what isn't at the jobsite: A forklift. Guess who will refuse to handbalm anything off your truck? All the fucking boomers (everyone but you and the skinny brown kid). Guess who's getting yelled at for being late to the shop because you had to do it all by yourself? You.

By the way, driving a commercially licensed vehicle means you're on the radar for the police. They love ticketing commercial drivers because the fines are all higher and there's a lot more of them.

Speaking of licences, if you live somewhere with graduated drivers licences (e.g. G1, G2, G; or Learners, Probationary, Full/Advanced), you won't get the job on an intermediate licence. A lot of insurance companies simply will not insure an employee with less than a full licence. You could upgrade your own insurance to a commercial insurance, but enjoy paying triple the rates with zero guarantee that your employer will compensate you.

But they'll tell you that you can work your own hours, work gets done when it's done, right? Wrong. You've signed up for 10-14 hour days and no vacation.

[Anonymous No.2553177]

>>2553156
>driving a commercially licensed vehicle means you're on the radar for the police
Driving a truck doesn't mean you/it are commercially licensed. Lol what is this fearmongering

[Anonymous No.2553183]

>>2553177
Sounds like a euro thing. They can’t drive anything more than 3,5 tons without a special license, where in the US, you can do 26k lbs.

[Anonymous No.2553230]

>>2553156
>You also need your own truck. You won't get the job if you show up in a sedan because they want someone who can be the delivery boy on slow days.

lol what kind of hellhole do you work at?

[Anonymous No.2553317]

>>2548441
>animeposter shirks work and acts like this

Surprising

[Anonymous No.2553320]

>Lifting heavy shit.
Bitch, I do that all the time. That's why I am forklift certified.
Only risk of injury I ever have is spraining something from swimming in all these bitches and pallets.

[Anonymous No.2553337]

>>2553183
we dont need to haul shit with our own cars, you can be a tradie and ride the bus here.

[Anonymous No.2553340]

>>2553047
yet i show up at work every day, never complain, my body isnt ruined and im genuinely enjoying this life.
its always thoose who have never done it who complain about how back breaking manual labour is and think its a oneway ticket to a crippled life and early death.

[Anonymous No.2553343]

>>2553340
Being healthy and getting in a balanced exercise routine while you work is one thing, constantly doing repetitive motions to complete a specialized task is another.
Amish tend not to have too many problems, guys who do flooring have shot knees.

[Anonymous No.2553350]

working with toxic stuff really shortens your life
add unhealthy food, drinking and smoking to it
not working out to stay in shape

[Anonymous No.2553372]

>>2552527
>If you are aware and careful
Then you should change career obviously

[Anonymous No.2555609]

>>2548090
it depends on the trade
you're going to have a hard time avoiding fumes if you spend all day welding or brazing pipes but if you're a carpenter you can easily have zero health problems
most tradesmen in my experience don't look after themselves but i quit industry because it was impossible to avoud breathing in shit when working on a factory that stank of ammonia or fuck knows what

[Anonymous No.2555611]

>>2548242
>>2548209

Imagine getting surgery instead of taking the acceptance pill

this universe is suffering

[Anonymous No.2555612]

>>2553043
It isn't cope. Physical labor cannot be automated. You sound like a massive faggot.
>t. AI programmer

[Anonymous No.2555617]

>>2548090
No it's just that the mode tradesperson is in garbage health. Drink, smoke, eat lots of shit food, neglect PPE, etc.

[Anonymous No.2555624]

>>2555617
you're correct about the modal tradesman but no matter what you do some trades will always have long term health risks
you even absorb smoke through your skin to some extent it's basically impossible to avoid eg manganism as a welder if you do it for decades
you can lev and a ventilated mask but you're still going to be exposed to some level of toxins it's inexorable in just the same way as you're not even avoiding breathing in 100% of silica when using a stihl saw to cut concrete - the ppe that would be required just isn't practical
if you do a variety of tasks and observe good practice you can mitigate the risks but long term health damage is just a reality of working many trades
obviously this applies a lot more to metallurgy etc than being an electrician or a bricklayer

[Anonymous No.2555626]

>>2553350
>working with toxic stuff really shortens your life
Not if you wear appropriate PPE

[Anonymous No.2555630]

>>2555626
PPE is the last line of protection. A FFP3 mask is not magical it only provides a level of protection. You wont outright die but that isn't what happens anyway and you'll never know until you get Parkinson's or cancer whether or not you did enough and even then you wont know.

[Anonymous No.2555638]

>>2555630
That's fair, limiting or eliminating exposure is really the only way to be sure.