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249410 No.249410 [Reply] [Original]

anyone homesteaders

i'm planning to buy between 20 and 80 acres to build a mud/grass house and do some agriculture by hand

>> No.249419

People moved to cities for a reason: Homesteading fucking sucks.

>> No.249421

LOLOLOLOLOL!

Ingredient number one is several tons of food in vermin-proof storage containers unless you have a nearby market..

>> No.249424

Clearing even ONE acre for gardening is enough to kill a person.

You NEED explosives to clear stumps.

There are so many ways it sucks, it would be easier to list everything that doesn't suck:

#1:...

That's about it.

>> No.249434

>>249424
>>249419
you two are either boring or stupid

>>249421
you're right

>> No.249438

>by hand
>mud/grass house

Couldn't do it. I'd be building fairly modern farm equipment and irrigation systems plus making a saw mill ASAP.

>> No.249439

>>249434
Boring? No, boring is 3 weeks on a uneven lot of land trying to clear it. You need a strong rototiller to turn the land arable a pick and shovel will not do the job, and you'll probable ruin the tiller, even if it is connected to a 200hp engine.

Clearing tree root bundles is so difficult, people would just leave the stump there to rot over several decades instead of trying to remove it.

You can't be serious, because you would have an idea of how difficult it is if you were.

>> No.249441

>>249439

why do you think you have to flatten everything and till every surface of ground to a level grade free of rocks and roots? i didnt even say anything about that. jesus fuck you are some ignorant 19th century colonist farmers

>> No.249443

>>249441
Because an uneven garden/farm doesn't grow anything besides weeds.

You're a joker, all right.

>> No.249446
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>>249439
MFW I've grown vegetables and fruit trees on uneven, mediocre soil.

Tree stumps CAN be a problem. If by some miracle you get land in a reservation and you have to deal with century old trees.
There's a good chance that won't be the case.

> mud/grass house
That's kinda too hippie for my liking. Can't you build a log house like a normal person ?

Look at this
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Russia-Suzdal-MWAPL-House_of_Poor_Peasant-1.jpg

Pretty sweet huh ?

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249448

>>249443
you are a stupid, stupid fucker

>>249446
i guess i dont think i need to use that much timber, since i have good clay soil and lots of straw. if i can beat the building code, i think i can do it more cheaply and with less environmental expense than using all those big beautiful logs. not that i dont think they shouldnt be used.

>> No.249451

>>249446
Then you are not intending to survive on what you grow, or the land was farmed at some point before you planted there. Trees, okay, they can take on uneven land, but most foodstuffs will have to compete, and they will lose.

>> No.249453

>>249451
who, in the history of the human race for the last 6,000 years, ever moved into an area naked and survived immediately off of their own agriculture? its a stupid false dichotomy that nobody even suggested

>> No.249454

>>249448
OOOooo, tiered Mayan farmland. I hope you have a 20,000 man slave army you will need to feed.

That is not an argument, by the way, you shitfucking gimptarded freak of nature. I know you think it is, but you have never cleared an acre of land, never mind knowing ANYTHING about what goes into making a tiered/hanging garden.

You're pathetic, and so are your arguments.

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249455

>>249443
>>249443

>> No.249456

>>249453
Look at>>249448
and think seriously about what OP thinks he will be able to do.

Then tell him the advice you know in your heart he needs to hear.

>> No.249458

>>249455
Ever try it? On 40 acres of land filled with rocks and crap?

Good luck, fool.

>> No.249459

>>249454
words are not for hurting
>>249448
where are your acres? obviously, each climate has its own challenges and benefits.

>> No.249461

>>249458
for one, you're a bad character and unhelpful, and for the sake of others i hope you die soon

second, it makes a hell of a lot more sense to farm that way on 40 acres than conventional, especially when considering the amount of work you need to do over the life a hugelkultur bed which is intended to be about 20 years

so i dont think you know what you're talking about and maybe you shouldnt post anymore. holzer popularized this from his work is switzerland which is fucking steep and fucking rocky.

>> No.249462

>>249458
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=sepp+holzer

>> No.249463

>>249459
humid subtropics, lots of clay and ~45 inches of rain a year

>> No.249466

>>249454

>tiered Mayan farmland

Terraced land that is used around the world?

>> No.249469

>>249466
One person?

I'm not the dreaming fool, or the enabler of foolishness.

>> No.249471

>>249451 most foodstuffs will have to compete, and they will lose.

There are ways of dealing with weeds and other pests.
People have been living of agriculture long before we had machines and pesticides.

I'm not saying your way wouldn't be easier. It will. But doing everything by hand and with simple cheap organic solutions is also possible.

Simple things like cupric sulfate mixed with slacked lime and water for instance. Vinegar. Boiling water, etc.

>> No.249474

>>249461

The difference is, I UNDERSTAND what OP is trying to do.

If he can't stand the pressure of comments posted on an imageboard, then how the fuck is he going to tolerate living in a grass hut trying to clear one shitty acre?

>> No.249476

>>249474 If he can't stand the pressure of comments posted on an imageboard, then how the fuck is he going to tolerate living in a grass hut trying to clear one shitty acre?

I can agree with this. Doing EVERYTHING by hand is hard as fuck, so you better be prepared for sweat and tears OP.

>> No.249477

>>249471
Well, I hope everything from the vermin to the drainage works out perfectly to convenience you and your methods then.

>> No.249481

>>249477
I'm not op. I'm just saying it's not impossible to do.
Hard as fuck. But not impossible.

It would be much better if you have more than one person though. I've done it with 5 people and it worked, I'm not sure if it's possible to pull out with one.

>> No.249484

>>249481
I never said it was impossible. BUT, in the picture that was posted in >>249455
you will notice that all that shit is built up on land that was flat to begin with. That is because flat is what you need to start with. Also, it also assumes that there is tons of topsoil available, and OP already said it is more than 40% clay, which means only the hardiest of weeds will grow on it, never mind food.

>> No.249495

For one person 2 acres should be plenty and then some, assuming OP has some heavy machinery.