How to industrialize chicken farms for healthy birds?

[Anonymous No.2457717]

What are the deficiencies of modern factory chicken farming, and how do we solve it? Are the primary problems too cramped of space and not a diverse enough diet? What other problems are there?

[Anonymous No.2457719]

>>2457717
What ARE the problems?
Modern operations can produce a lot of chicken meat for a given supply of fuel and feed. You may be able to make only marginal improvements in economic efficiency.
The animal welfare concern is a different issue but is largely alleviated by simply giving the birds more space. (about a square foot per bird rather than the 2/3sqft they currently have)

[Anonymous No.2457725]

>>2457719
Nah, they've been genetically engineered to the point chickens grow too fast and can't even support their own body weight. They're efficient for turning feed into meat, sure, but do you even remember what chicken fucking tastes like? Grab a heritage bird and you'll see what's missing.

[Anonymous No.2457743]

>>2457725
Do eggs taste different between different breeds assuming the feed was the same?
I’m thinking of tomatoes and their drastically different tastes.
Am I just better off picking a bird based on climate, disease resistance, and egg laying rate.
I should have clarified that I am primarily thinking about egg production, but meat is also a factor.
For meat, is any heritage bird basically the same in terms of meat quality?

[Anonymous No.2457758]

>>2457725
>do you even remember what chicken fucking tastes like?

I'd rather forget that teen phase of my life.

[Anonymous No.2457763]

>>2457725
I've raised "heritage" chickens before and while they had more flavor, they were also tougher and stringier and they took 6 times as long to raise a bird that was half the size of a 2 month old cornish cross commercial bird.

My point is that you're trying to "solve" a problem that is, in and of itself, already a solution.
I would argue that raising chickens which take many times more feed or land use to get the same yield as conventional commercial operations is wasteful and backwards if the goal is feeding people.

>>2457743
>Do eggs taste different between different breed
I never particularly noticed a difference in taste between different breeds, but there was a real difference in the eggs between mostly free range yard chickens and storebought eggs.

[Anonymous No.2457776]

>>2457717
The main problems are the conditions are pretty nasty and they look miserable.

They're already delicious, monstrously huge, and reasonably peaceful with their neighbors if you give them cheap sunglasses

[Anonymous No.2457781]

>>2457725
>but do you even remember what chicken fucking tastes like?

I only wish I knew what chicken fucking tastes like.

[Anonymous No.2457826]

>>2457776
Wtf do those glasses do?

[Anonymous No.2457847]

>>2457725
>Grab a heritage bird and you'll see what's missing.
People say this, but its really overblown.

There is a local AC general store where all the local farmers sell their locally grown goods.
After the price of ground beef at Kroger became $6 a pound, it was the same price to just buy locally grown.

I taste a huge difference in locally grown beef and pork.
The chicken doesnt taste much different at all, and ive tried a handful of different farms.

[Anonymous No.2457856]

>>2457826
Stop them from pecking each other

[Anonymous No.2457907]

chicken farm inspector are corrupt. You do not own chickens, on the large scale, you rent them. The chicken inspector decide what level of chick you get, I have heard stories of chicken inspectors getting tours of the city with mayors/goveners exotic toys brought in, money rock and roll. chicken insectors get wine and dined by lobbyist, farmer daughters haha farmer's town.
It is a class issue, and the goods are incredible only a few farms of r&d creating better and bigger chickens then that dna is propagated heavily, carefully controlled and rented out to the chicken farmers.

[Anonymous No.2457909]

>>2457717
IN A CAPITALIST WORLD, meat alternatives need to become cheap enough to compete with the chicken torture method. if real meat was more like a special than than a cheap thing, they wouldn't be consumed nearly as much and dickheads wouldn't have to torture them to cut costs.

in our society, the answer is always money. if money can't solve it then it will never be solved.

[Anonymous No.2457910]

>>2457909

[Anonymous No.2457912]

>>2457909 also

lab meat has the potential to be even better than tortured chicken meat. chickens used to taste better than they do now, before they were being fucked to death. in the 1950s you didn't used to need to add retardo-sauce or salt, you could just eat the damn things. it was a delicacy. a petri dish chicken meat sandwich would have more variables under control and could be tweaked to taste better. modern factory whore chicken is dry as fuck.

[Anonymous No.2458215]

>>2457856
How does it work?

[Anonymous No.2458217]

>>2457907
>You do not own chickens, on the large scale, you rent them. The chicken inspector decide what level of chick you get

>a few farms of r&d creating better and bigger chickens then that dna is propagated heavily, carefully controlled and rented out to the chicken farmers.

Wtf are you talking about. Please explain

[Anonymous No.2458248]

>>2457909
>if real meat was more like a special than than a cheap thing, they wouldn't be consumed nearly as much
>if meat was a luxury expense available only to the well-off, we can peddle bug-based chicken alternatives to the masses
Even if you get the price down people wouldn't want fake shitty meat over the real thing.
>if money can't solve it then it will never be solved.
aka if you can't profitably do something in the long run there's no point in doing it

[Anonymous No.2458256]

>>2458217
>you rent them
Not him but,
At the higher production levels in modern USA chicken farming, all the different operations that a layman thinks about as "chicken farming" have been divided up into discrete roles.

It's a different operator who keeps the egg layers/breeders and produces the eggs, then another operator takes care to hatch the eggs into chicks, another operator raises those chicks into adult birds. A different group compounds the feed/nutrition program. Someone else slaughters them and packs them, another group ships them.
All the while, the actual chickens are "owned" by huge agriculture companies like Perdue, Tyson, and Smithfield. The different operators get paid a contract rate per bird or per pound or however.

The idea is that the chickens on those farms do not "belong" to the farmer/operator.

A lot of regular people who aren't involved in the industry have an idea that Farmer Brown just gets some eggs and hatches, raises, feeds, etc his birds. But it's become structured differently than that in the US due to economic factors and the immense scale of these operations. This scale of these things tends to turn into a scenario where even saving an extra tenth of a penny per bird becomes an enormous amount of money for a company that sells billions of birds a year-- and so shitty practices like overcrowding and dubiously safe pesticide/medicine application become basically indispensable.

>>2457912
>in the 1950s you didn't used to need to add retardo-sauce or salt
They absolutely used salt when cooking in the 50's. We can look at cookbooks from the time to see that this was true, and also salt was on every table in the nation-- hence the name "table salt."
One thing that is different is that you had to add more water depending on what/how you were cooking because the meat wasn't processed or packed the same way using water or brine solutions.

[Anonymous No.2458279]

>>2458256
>They absolutely used salt when cooking in the 50's.
And they say that white people can't handle spices !

[Anonymous No.2458350]

>>2458279

[Anonymous No.2458414]

>>2457717
That's a sad cartoon. They eat the ducks like cake.

[Anonymous No.2458454]

>>2458217
there are levels of chicken, A chicken inspector gets a say in what towns get what type of chicken.

There are few farms breeding chickens for better eggs meat ect. this makes for a mostly homogenous product from state to state

[Anonymous No.2458459]

>>2457717
feed them corn and pumpkins and dont accelerate their growth with hormones

[Anonymous No.2458472]

>>2458248
>aka if you can't profitably do something in the long run there's no point in doing it
welcome to capitalism. that's how it works. i don't like it either, and im not a capitalist.

[Anonymous No.2459645]

>>2457725
Cornish cross is the best tasting chicken as it matures the quickest.

[Anonymous No.2459779]

>>2457717
All the problems are dumb laws that restrict efficiency and safety to "protect the climate"

[Anonymous No.2460172]

>>2458472
I like it because that makes sense

[Anonymous No.2460323]

>>2457856
They can't aim. Chickens have better trigger discipline than the average negroe, they don't peck if they can't see.

[Anonymous No.2461359]

>>2459779
List them since you are clearly a chicken house expert and cite sources since you are an expert.

[Anonymous No.2461373]

>>2457912
>in the 1950s you didn't used to need to add retardo-sauce or salt, you could just eat the damn things.

Zoomer detected. Wow. Salt was everywhere in that era (t. 1959). Now post something else based on your idiot fantasies. You cannot know how stunningly dumb your post was, but it (to use an archaic term) is a whopper.

[Anonymous No.2461652]

>>2461373
Boy Mr. Chicken shill repeating the same talking point two days in a row, I'm sure glad the chicken industry injects my chicken with brine so it weighs more on the butcher's counter.

[Anonymous No.2461658]

>>2457912
Food in the 50s fucking sucked compared to today. People went crazy over a restaurant providing fast hamburgers. Most American housewives probably had no idea what Cumin was.

[Anonymous No.2461660]

>>2458248
>Even if you get the price down people wouldn't want fake shitty meat over the real thing.
Mmm yes people never eat cheap substitutes

[Anonymous No.2461703]

>>2461660
Even in a shortage the meat 'substitutes' are left untouched

[Anonymous No.2461757]

>>2461652
Sorry to have to tell you this dipshit, but it's actually more than one person shitting on your absolutely fucking retarded claims.

Your argument against modern agricultural practices is being made in bad faith using lies and falsehoods. And that's really stupid because there is a huge list of genuine and factual issues that you could have addressed.

>I'm sure glad the chicken industry injects my chicken with brine so it weighs more
https://www.fsis.usda.gov/food-safety/safe-food-handling-and-preparation/food-safety-basics/water-meat-poultry