DIY balistic armor - Glassfibre cloth, epoxy resin and ceramic tiles

[Anonymous No.2420333]

Bought all materials for my project. 10 m2 of light 165g/m2 and another 10 m2 of heavier 580g/m2 glass fibre. 3kg epoxy resin with hardener. I want to make a mask, helmet, breast- backplate and eventually arm and legplates. Thought about layering one light then one heavy cloth, 24 layers in total. Ontop two offset layers of simple porcelain and similiar ceramics, like a mosaic. The second layer above the gaps of the first one. Then three more layers of glassfibre holding the ceramics in place, the slight overlap tucked in on the inside of each armor piece.

Never worked with epoxy resin itself, but polyester resin. I think my biggest issue is that I've given up on the concept of pressing it, dunno if that's even that important after seeing the yt vids of that techthisoutmeow guy who made a bulletresistant mask in a similiar way I intend to copy.

Currently I've made a gypsum mask of my face, spraying it with clear paint in addition to hopefully make it a bit more sturdy, so I can put the glassfibre on it and slightly press it by hand.

>pic rel
start of my project, son wanted a mask too lol. It's currently drying on the balcony. Thought about using simply one layer of cloth and epoxy resin to make that mask stable, but then again I don't want to waste my epoxy for that yet. Don't browse /diy often, how long do threads stay up? Will post progress and apreciate info

[Anonymous No.2420349]

I suspect this is going to be a good thread.

[Anonymous No.2420351]

>>2420333

[Anonymous No.2420358]

Ceramics are heavy, exactly what you don't want hanging off your face. Use Kevlar. Keep your resin ratio down.

[Anonymous No.2420359]

>>2420333
You might wanna test this out by shooting it before you sink all the time and money into making a complete set. Not all ceramics are created equal either. What level of protection are you going for? Like are you trying to stop handgun rounds, or rifle rounds? I'm curious to see how this comes out. Threads are often around for days or weeks on diy.

[Anonymous No.2420396]

>>2420351
im not from new york. whats so glowish about body armor anyways?
>>2420359
am from Germany, have no access to guns. I guess/hope it will stop fragmentation from explosions and 9mm fired by looting thugs. There are various building methods on youtube. If anything I will ask somebody like that techthisoutmeow dude to build what I'm planning and shoot it.

After thinking about troughly, I believe my idea has some merit. 2 different weaves of glassfibre, many will point out that you've to cut out each piece at different angles, but thats too wasteful IMO. Also having two layers of ceramic tiles to cover gaps. Dragon skin was cool, but they should have dropped the whole flexible idea. Further, having a thin top layer of more fabric in epoxy should aclompish 2 goals, protect the ceramics from receiving damage from dropping and in addition serve as spalling catcher, fragments should get stuck inside this outer fabric layer, not so much ricocheting or gliding off the surface.

Well atleast I hope so. Could buy some balistic plates, a carrier and helmet, but not so much special formed pieces.

[Anonymous No.2420401]

>>2420333
idk man but it's kinda fucking with me how this one's looking directly into the camera

[Anonymous No.2420426]

tech this out meow
kekistani armorer

you dont have to completely forge your own way

[Anonymous No.2420437]

>>2420333
Fiberglass is really shitty at this.

https://youtu.be/2oGyNf9lqcs
Here's like 6mm thick fiberglass barely stopping weak handgun rounds, like barely class I armor

[Anonymous No.2420451]

https://youtu.be/_7jiIQOgwtI

[Anonymous No.2420482]

>>2420426
yes exactly, I appreciate techmeow (he rly needs a different name) and others for what they've researched in their backyards.
>>2420437
my dude, there are various more yt videos showing you that 20 layers of woven glassfilament bonded together with epoxy resin is capable of stoping even 12 gauge slugs. china made plates? as in, made in china? who knows what they used. There are many different types of fiberglass products, varying from fleece to cloth, weight and structure. My guess is combining a lightweight, tightly woven cloth used for modeling with a weight of 165g per m2 and a more heavy duty like cloth used in boat repair aka woven roving with 580g per m2 could result in a good plate. Some youtubers don't explain what materials they actually used

my gypsum mask needs to dry way longer than innitially thought, tomorrow I will cut some old piece of cloth and make a stencil of it, holding it over the mask. I could make a positive print of my face, casting liquid gypsum or even cement. But I realized I don't want to wear the armor pieces directly on my skin, have some clothing beneath it. So the mask itself acounts for that already and I can build upon it.

Never was interested in cosplay, but those weebs/furries got it figured out good, how to craft larp armor, affix it and eventually wear it comfortably.

[Anonymous No.2420487]

Kevlar
https://www.ebay.com/usr/middleislandauctions?_trksid=p2047675.m3561.l2559
Spectra
https://compositeenvisions.com/product/ballistic-spectra-fabric-plain-weave-215d-2-6oz-88gsm/
Dude who has done this before
https://www.youtube.com/c/Techthisoutmeow

[Anonymous No.2420488]

>>2420482
Test with 115gr ball 9 or M855 5.56
Slugs and .44 Mag are fat slow lead making them easy to stop.

[Anonymous No.2420500]

Put me in the screencap

[Anonymous No.2420914]

Looking good Op

[Anonymous No.2420937]

>>2420333
probably one of the most valuable and interesting threads on /diy/ so it will undoubtedly have no responses and slide off fairly quickly op but i will try to help keep it alive

[Anonymous No.2420993]

>>2420488
On what planet are .44 Magnum rounds and shotgun slugs easy to stop compared to 9mm? 5.56 is definitely its own beast because of the velocity, but any armor that will stop .44 or a 12 gauge slug will have absolutely zero issue with 9mm.

[Anonymous No.2421116]

cut out a piece of cloth as stencil, held it over my mask. Also cut the 24 (12 of each) glass fibre sheets. But damn I've no time for myself anymore, constantly am bothered by wife and son. as im typing this, my son is trying to pull me down by the legs and wife checks what I'm chatting about again, fucking damned

[Anonymous No.2421159]

Holy Shit OP this is actually a good thread, unlike other boring ass dime a dozen threads.

But something to keep in mind OP, any force acting on the human head that a vest would stop would give you a concussion. You would need to include a absorptive gel layer or something.

[Anonymous No.2421220]

>>2421159
Eh, a concussion is still better than getting a bullet to the brain.
>>2420396
You can't own guns at all? I thought you guys could at least get some stuff with a shitload of paperwork.

[Anonymous No.2421279]

family asleep, had time to make some progress. Did 18 layers, it became more difficult with each piece. The big black spot on the nose and chin resulted from a marked spot I did with a sharpie. Cut two small holes in my stencil cloth where these points aligned, but the epoxy diluted it somewhat. Have still 6 cloth patches as leftover, which I gonna use for my top layer to protect the ceramics. There are some things to note.

On the nose, the woven roving loosened quite alot, better not use it for pointy forms next time. I do have a big nose lol

I mixed 300ml epoxy with roughly 170ml hardener (100:55-60 ratio for volume, weight is 100:50 something), I had bit too much for 18 layers, but not enough for 24. Could've mixed a new batch, but as mentioned it became hard to work with. The patches were 33cm in height and width (surprisingly my face measured out like this) but ofc I didn't use epoxy on the entire surface.

At around 14 layers air pockets became more apareant, I tried my best to massage it from centre to the edge, sometimes it would'nt work so I left them at the eyes, which I've to cut out anyways.

Spraying the gypsum mask with paint improved it stabillity to such degree that applying pressure by hand didn't break it noticably.

Cutting this stuff with a normal scissor sure isn't a good idea, I noticed how quick it became more dull and cutting the thicker cloth became almost a hassle as you try not to unravel the weaving so much. Also it tingles a bit if you get too much fibre strands on your skin. Like in cunstruction work, when having to work with mineral insulation but way less annyoing.
well it's drying on the balcony now at night. Appareantly it takes 2 days atleast until you can work further with it and full curement takes a week? I thought I cut the edge smoothly, drill out the eyes and nostrils, then glue tiles on it and finnally cover it with my last 6 clothes. This mask is gonna be the most difficult form, the other pieces should be more simple

[Anonymous No.2421283]

>>2420333
Serious question: Why the fuck would you DIY body armor? Do you DIY your seatbelts and airbags too? You can buy ballistic facemasks online for you and your wife's so or are they illegal in germanistan?

[Anonymous No.2421285]

>>2421279
haha 2000 word limit
>>2421220
well maybe after a year of club membership. Guess I've to have hope in it to simply work

[Anonymous No.2421288]

>>2421279
This looks way better than I thought it was going to. You seem to be doing a pretty nice job. Definitely let it cure completely, however long it takes. Fiberglass becomes a pain in the ass to work with if you rush it. What ceramic tiles are you using exactly? I'm curious about composition and size.

[Anonymous No.2421291]

>>2421283
no they're not illegal. But you've only a limited option in forms, helmets and plates I mean. I thought about improving a bicycle helmet for my son in such manner and making special children sized plates for him to put in his little rucksack. You know after reading about that Ukranian Babushka, sewing balistic vests and some car mechanic producing sized steel plates for it, I concluded why the fuck not? It's not even that expensive, 40€ for 3kg epoxy + hardener, I think 45€ for 10m2 woven roving and about half of that for another 10m2 of lighter weave. Also bought a 20 pack of straps for a tener and some high prised E4000 (cosplayer certified glue so to say). Besides I've been playing with this thought ever since I watched yt vids maybe even 8 years ago by now, how some american dudes make some balistic plates in their garages. Wait a second I gonna search that Invader Zim meme

[Anonymous No.2421292]

[Wromer No.2421294]

>>2421283
A seat belt and airbag are dirt cheap.

A facemask is at least 300$, is not custom made for your face. And you have no clue what they put into it.

Seriously who's going to give the mask a bad review? They would be dead.

[Anonymous No.2421306]

>>2421288
haha thx, am also pleased and think using a gypsum print of my face wasn't a bad idea. I think I gonna stick with first 18 layers of glass fibre in epoxy, one light weave, one heavy and so on. Then I'll lay out a mosaic of random porcelain pieces and a second one above the gaps of the first one. And finnally last 6 glassfibre layers above that. Did you mean that with composition? As for size, I can't tell yet how thick it's going to be. I put some kitchen film on my mask, hopefully I can save it undamaged. I measured with my nose in the middle, 30 cm from cheek to cheek and also 30 from chin to forehead, gave it another +3 for overlap, funnily the lighter weave comes in 1m rolls, so I could cut out 3 width wise.

[Anonymous No.2421307]

>>2420401
Just look at the other eye and realise that the mask actually has a lazy eye. The confusion as to which eye is the "real" one and thus which one is looking at you will allow you to break free from its grip.

[Anonymous No.2421354]

>>2421220
>You can't own guns at all? I thought you guys could at least get some stuff with a shitload of paperwork.

>>2421285
>well maybe after a year of club membership. Guess I've to have hope in it to simply work

Not maybe. If you're old enough and have no criminal record it's 100% guaranteed. There are some other restrictions if you want to buy a lot of different guns but buying an AR15 and a 9mm pistol (or a .50BMG if you have too) is easy. The harder problem is finding a place where you can actually shot at stuff. Very few people will have a property big enough to be able to not care about regulations. Maybe you can do it in a basement with improvised silencers.

Even legally shooting a .50BMG on normal targets is hard because there aren't many ranges around where you're allowed to fire so much energy (and range so it's worth it). Germany is very densely populated after all... And i'd bet most ranges will not let you destroy junk hillbilly style. I guess they are afraid that people could see them as not serious enough about the sport and loose even more rights.

[Anonymous No.2421415]

>>2421307
this is why people with lazy eyes scare me. you can never tell what they're planning

[Anonymous No.2421465]

>>2420333
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecqS88lE5dY
now imagine a diy mask

[Anonymous No.2421479]

You're supposed to vacuum bag the fiberglass. Coat bag with PVA. Even a small $10 bag/handpump kit would be enough. Modest vacuum easily puts more 'weight' on it than a car. Also it sucks out the excess resin.

[Anonymous No.2421546]

>>2421465
>>2421479
yes ok
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dD3EgXpSRDM
and
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6YrdcFkTQ1A
I ditched the idea of using a vacuum pump or making a positive + negative print and sandwich the mask inbetween

[Anonymous No.2421618]

>>2421220
>Eh, a concussion is still better than getting a bullet to the brain.
Depends on the caliber and angle. But you want neither, and anything above 9mm will give you a deadly or life destroying concussion anyways.
See into non-newtonial gels and how much energy they can absorb. Consider placing it on the front, cheekbones, and chin. All three shock absorbing pads or gels must be in contact with these three places on your face at all times to distribute energy better.

[Anonymous No.2421631]

>>2421618
wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_Armor
>liquid armor
cool shit. As mentioned, I build upon the gypsum mask to have some space fof wearing normal cloth beneath it, maybe a balaclava for the head and normal pair of pants and a shirt for the body. Gonna search shock absorption pads now. Thx for info

[Anonymous No.2421634]

>>2421631
oh well, shock absorber gives results for sports bras and type of car mechanical piece. Then went looking for foam mats that are used for absoprtion, appareantly sorbothane is the best one? Guess I simply cut out some pads from our old yoga mat. Non newtonian fluids include ketchup and cornstarch. Maybe I should tape some McDonald's ketchup packs on the inside of my armor lulz

[Anonymous No.2421717]

>>2421634
look into very dense ballistic jelly, 2-3 inch thick plates sandwiched between carbon fiber or fiberglass, for the most vulnerable body regions shouldn't be hard to wear

[Anonymous No.2421728]

>>2421717
again, this gives me results of something else, in this case those gelatin blocks used for test shooting.

Mask still drying, it became quite hard on the surface but I will let it sit there until tomorrow atleast. Gonna use a respirator mask from work once I start cutting it with my angle grinder. That epoxy is so clear you can see trough the eye holes of the mask beneath it. Thought about glueing about 20 or so plexiglass eye protections together to have a bulletresistant goggle.

[Anonymous No.2421730]

>>2421728
topview. Maybe I'll make some casts of my legs and arms tonight. Or I press some steel mesh over those body parts and use this instead. I figured the helmet will give me some trouble as I need to fit the mask under it somehow

[Anonymous No.2421753]

No not order carbon fiber sheets or kevlar sheets of your going to the trouble? It's not very expensive.

[Anonymous No.2421796]

>>2421753
it is, aramid (which is kevlar), carbon, even mixed weave of both of those in various weights and patterns go for atleast 30€ per m2. 10m2 of glas roving was 50€ with delivery and other lighter type was 30€ for 10m2. Additonally, I've seen only one yt vid where carbon has been used, together with glass. I think it was something like 32 layers, pressed in a vacum press. Guy made a shoulder unit of it and demolition ranch dude shot it

the shoulder piece
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wJW8DeBNg7A

getting shot
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d8V88105QOw

Carbon fibres suck IMO.

[Anonymous No.2421866]

>>2421634
Come on, now, search harder. This is not a recommendation, but it was the first hit for shock absorbing non-newtonian gel.
https://polyanswer.com/
I hope it helps. Do make use of all recommendations - the energy a bullet delivers is no joke, and is as tricky to mitigate as preventing it from piercing you.

[Anonymous No.2421875]

>>2421279
Those military apartments suck dick dont they?

[Anonymous No.2422113]

>>2420333
I would argue that instead of attempting to absorb the impact of a bullet you should redirect that kinetic energy elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.2422252]

>>2420333
If you're going to cover your face, you might as well go full Ned Kelly.

[Anonymous No.2422413]

>>2420333
nIGGER THE MASK IS WEARING YOU FOR PROTECTION
YOU MUSHY MEAT IS WHAT WILL DISSIPATE THE KINETIC FORCE OF THE BULLET AND SAVE THE MASK'S LIFE.

[Anonymous No.2422836]

Progress, cut the mask with my angle grinder. Was more difficult than expected. Was able to save the gypsum mask. It fits but I've to smooth it on the inside at the forehead and left side of the jaw. I'm missing a certain tool for this job and am not sure atm what I need to buy, maybe some grinding disk or other shape which you put on a drill? Not sure. It's 6mm thick for the most part, didn't laminate well at the edge of the mentioned left jaw.

The other armor pieces should be easy to cut, they will only be curved slightly.

>pic rel outside

[Anonymous No.2422838]

inside, damned wait to post pics

[Anonymous No.2422840]

wearing it frontview, salvaged some straps from a helmet which I gonna glue on the inside later on

[Anonymous No.2422841]

Sideview. Any epoxy chads care to explain how to smooth and do little cuts on this? As I was cutting it with my grinder, the cut started to glow, wasted one disk actually. Hard stuff

[Anonymous No.2422931]

ok a dremel is what I need and don't have, should some cheap chinesium dremel set do the trick?

[Anonymous No.2423071]

>>2422931
That's what you'd get from Harbor Freight, and for most it's good enough

[Anonymous No.2423073]

>>2423071
just bought an original dremel 3000 with 15 pieces for 55€. never worked with dremels before, at first I thought I could use my drill, but they don't have enough rpm or something

[Anonymous No.2423074]

>>2423073
Dremels have so many bits and tips, but some need high speeds to work right, and some need low speed or you have finish problems

[Anonymous No.2423148]

Ok did a gypsum print of my front torso and both front upper legs. This time once they're properly dried I will put epoxy on it. I noticed my gypsum mask went soft and warped a bit, even with the spray paint I put on it multiple times prior. Reading about historical armors from the bronze age up until now, from the lorica musculata to modern plate carriers, an everlasting war in itself between defense and offense, sacrificing mobility in hopes to luck's will to either not get hit, or get hit were you are protected. Maybe I'm going to cut some Bible pages out and epoxy them on the armor, especially Ephesians 6:10-20.

[Anonymous No.2423150]

>>2421220
They can after going through some bullshit.

[Anonymous No.2423156]

>>2421291
RMA and Botach level 4 plates run at 145$ per. So approaching the price of anything homemade unless you have a good source of material.

[Anonymous No.2423215]

>>2422836
buy a dremel
Learn how to temper metal
Conform some thick tempered steel to the mould of your face, put some sort of rubber or flex seal type layer on the front to catch shrapnel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qrzdnammeog

[Anonymous No.2423280]

>>2421465
Useful video but what an annoying person.

[Anonymous No.2423341]

>>2423280
he's a clickbait e-celeb faggot who likes to fuck cool markets to get his zoomer audience to buy it up
Greetings from the /poorfag/ general on /k/

[Anonymous No.2423409]

>>2423215
yes that's cool. I've no space to do metal work. Infact I build a small diy light ark furnace powered by a stick welder, was able to melt copper, but I had to stop this project because of the fire hazard. I'm glad I can atleast cut stuff in my cellar room. I'm obviously a nuguns fag, thought the outer layer of 6 glass cloths will act as fragmentation catcher/spall liner, no?

[Anonymous No.2423627]

>>2420333
OP this guy is already ahead of you https://youtu.be/6KjlyXKeo8c at the end he shows an experimental body armor composite of several cool as fuck materials.

[C¤©¤ℕυͳ !!ejZnhfeYlll No.2423637]

>>2420351

[Anonymous No.2423650]

>>2423627
thanks, that's the kind of info I need. Gonna watch once I've time for myself

[Anonymous No.2423743]

well I don't know if using the epoxy itself with additional particles would give good results. Kinda want it to be fluid so the cloth soaks it up. Atleast I learned that fresh epoxy doesn't bond well with already cured epoxy, you've to rough up the surface but it won't stick to it so good as oposed to doing the work in one setting. Asked techthisoutmeow if he can make a test panel of what I'm describing and shoot it, that would be so fukn dope

[Anonymous No.2423817]

This is more time consuming than I thought, all these steps. Starting with a gypsum print, wait for it to dry, improve the print, wait for it to dry, measure out the part of the body, cut stencil cloth, cut glass filament, put down layers and epoxy on the print, wait for it to dry, cut off excess filament and don't forget to double check each measurement. My dremel is not yet here and I can't progress on the mask without it.

Did now my shins and forearms in gypsum
>pic rel
This is going to be my exo skeleton, my chitin. I will be Super Käfer! Shut up bugs are cool!

[Anonymous No.2423938]

>>2422840
>>2422841
https://youtu.be/Rn6hOJT_FWQ?t=49

[Anonymous No.2423942]

>>2423817
Why are you doing body molds? Would a jacket work better? How are you going to move around?

[Anonymous No.2424070]

>>2423938
sssssssssssssssmokin'
>>2423942
>Why are you doing body molds?
to be fair, it was simply the first method I had in mind. Gypsum is easy to work with, even children can make masks from it.
>Would a jacket work better?
Probably, faster and easier. You'd simply make a simple plate, no difficult curves. I can also sew. Thought of sewing a carrier pocket onto an old but sturdy pullover, maybe even smaller pockets on pants/sleeves. I'm not even sure myself what it's going to be, I tend more and more to make pic rel. Ancient armor, envisioned for our modern troubled times, in the end it's more an artistic project with the side effect of having a projectile and shrapnel protective piece.Then again I want to make some plates for my family
>How are you going to move around?
with my legs.

[Anonymous No.2424097]

yes baby! It's smoothing time

[Anonymous No.2424748]

getting there slowely

[Anonymous No.2424752]

Feeling cute might delete later

[Anonymous No.2424822]

decided to use porcelain for my ceramics, none coloured porcelain let's shine light trough, normal earthenware not. Bought some bowls and plates at a flea market today, since my wife won't let me smash some of our own. Didn't knew that trick with the light, gonna check it later on.

Too qoute the master in this matter

>alumina oxide, silica carbide, boron carbide are the best, if your going store bought porcelain works, just heavier and thicker. Stay away from brick, slate, and silica mortar based ceramic tiles, they suck.

[Anonymous No.2424891]

Placing those straps took me ages, gonna try out E6000 now

[Anonymous No.2424915]

>>2422841
Is this you?

[Anonymous No.2424972]

>>2424915
ofc I am me, who else? Jim Carrey?

Man... Already a week gone. My progression is so slow

[Anonymous No.2425035]

>>2424748
Some advice when cutting composites to avoid itchiness. Take a hot shower before and when you have toweled dry take baby powder and rub plenty of it into your forearms wrist neck area etc. Any thin sensitive skin areas. Wear a tyvek suit and propper p100 mask, goggles. Aftewards take a cold shower with lots of rinsing before scrubbing. The idea is to heat open pores and fill with baby powder so composite dust cant get in. It works great. I spent weeks sanding and refurbing my fiberglass pool and this saved my ass from itching and nights of no sleep.

[Anonymous No.2425321]

>>2425035
I know my dude, epoxy dust is highly cancerous and glass fibres itch. I worked as roofer and other construction jobs, dealing with mineral insulation sucks. Maybe I'm less sensitive about itching, but nowadays a few glass strands don't bother me anymore.

Am wearing 2 ffp2 masks, an eye protection while working. Had the vacuum cleaner suck off must dust. Cold showers help alot.

[Anonymous No.2425326]

bump

[Anonymous No.2425389]

Am about to attach porcelain pieces to my mask. Not sure what method. Thought of using two side tape to hold them in place until they're encased by the epoxy of my top glass layer. If using normal glue, I'd think it could react with the epoxy in a bad way.

[Anonymous No.2425412]

>>2424752
Thats not terrifying at all.

[Anonymous No.2425525]

>>2425412
am I not pretty?

[Anonymous No.2425532]

>>2425525
Actually placed additional porcelain only on the areas of my face I deemed important, mouth, cheecks and forehead. Porcelain sure does get heavy if you stack too much. Definetevely will do a more consistant offset porcelain layout on the more simple armor pieces, which also should be easier to wear.

[Anonymous No.2425533]

>>2420351
The greatest lie ever told was that the government is the only one who can do this shit

[Anonymous No.2425556]

>>2425532
I would attach/encase the porcelain in something semi flexible so it can absorb impacts. Pic Related.

What do you plan on using?

[Anonymous No.2425579]

>>2420488
>44 mag
>1180fps @ 140 grain slug
>9mm
>1180fps @ 115 grain slug

You're retarded.

[Anonymous No.2425583]

>>2425389
Idea:
Use a gas mask as the backing for dual purpose ghetto operating.

[Anonymous No.2425585]

>me when in 6 months cops catch the serial killer called "masken michel" and I remember this thread.
Weidmannsheil anon.
What's gonna be your m.o. and victim choice?

[Anonymous No.2425586]

>>2425556
The mosaic is already placed with double sided - and ductape. If family sleeps I gonna get my 6 leftover patches, I asume they're too small now and I've to cut 6 new bigger ones.
>>2425579
have noguns, asked techthisoutmeow if he can shoot this design.

[Anonymous No.2425589]

>>2425583
Maybe I gonna put a simple gasmask over it, also I think I gonna glue some eye protection goggles togethers and tape that on too.
>>2425585
dude it's an art project, if anything it's going to be an irl fallout cosplay

[Anonymous No.2425715]

I see now why a vacuum pump would make things easier, I had troubles to tuck in my glass cloth on the edges, wouldn't stick there and slightly move out of position. Put some cardboard beneath the chin, gave me the most problems. Another thing, don't use old toothbrushes, they're too hard and each uncareful swipe pulls the weaving too much apart.

I just hope it will hold well and that I didn't accidentaly got my straps epoxied on the inside. In addition getting the correct amount of epoxy is something to learn, did 2 batches of 200+110ml. 620ml total. At first it wasn't enough, put epoxy on all my current gypsum prints, mixed the second one and it was too much for remaining gypsum and the mask.

20m2 of glassfilament in total, 24 layers per armor piece, a 33cm x 33cm patch fits 9 times into one square metre, 18 are 2, 24 are 2.6. I think I'll gonna need more cloths and epoxy

[Anonymous No.2425733]

>>2425715
these untucked edges didn't leave me any peace. Tried to simply place the mask flat down on the ground, didn't work well since it's not leveled so to say. Then I picked it up, put all excess cloth inside. This worked out way better, placed two cardboard pieces under the forehead and chin. Mask is sleepy and so am I

[Anonymous No.2425735]

>>2420333
some things to keep in mind
>all materials are bulletproof if you have enough of it
>all materials can be defeated by bullets if there are enough bullets and shitty enough angles involved
>no armor made at home will out-compete its professionally manufactured counterpart
>no armor will effectively defend from all threats or bullet types, nor can you have perfectly even stats, it's all a balancing act
>if you end up resorting to this for any real purpose, you're beyond the point where body armor is going to save you

[Anonymous No.2425740]

>>2420333
Bro sooo many agencies are watching you right now

[Anonymous No.2425757]

>>2425740
Only to check how armed he is, how likely he is to use said arms, and if he's also making explosives. If he's just making Shrek armor for fun then it's worth a side glance only. The fun begins if he decides to sell any sets.

[Anonymous No.2425778]

>>2425733
Glue felt or something around the edges.

[Anonymous No.2425786]

>>2421465
Honestly, anything the Chinese do is shit, so a DIY version might even be above military grade.

[Anonymous No.2425920]

what i want to know is whether or not it's possible to make armor in this method that can at least deflect a glancing 5.56 round. that would be incredibly useful and likely low-weight, especially as a sort of bracer/arm guard. face masks are great, but they only make sense for a few scenarios, shoulder pauldrons and forearm guards would be useful in almost any situation.

come to think of it, if you really wanted to make sure it was decently ballistic resistant, you could drill some holes in it and attach steel plating to it. that may be a good idea anyway for blade resistance.

[Anonymous No.2425968]

>>2425740
>>2425757
Schusssichere Westen sind legal und stellen laut Waffengesetz keine Waffe, sondern eine Schutzausrüstung dar. Jeder deutsche Bürger ist dazu berechtigt diese Form von Schutz zu erwerben und zu tragen. Das Alter spielt eine untergeordnete Rolle. Auch ist das Tragen einer schusssicheren Weste in Deutschland erlaubt, nur darf sie nicht auf Demonstrationen oder sonstigen öffentlichen Veranstaltungen getragen werden. Trägt man eine schusssichere Weste beispielsweise auf einer Demonstration, verstößt man gegen das Versammlungsgesetz.

I haven't been on a demonstration my entire life, I could buy sk4 (german rating) similiar to type IV plates+carrier no probs, they cost 300€ a piece.
>>2425920
only soft body armor doesn't come with cut and stab resistance. Im no expert ofc but you either use steel with a ceramic coating or ceramics itself as strike face

[Anonymous No.2425973]

>>2425525
that looks pretty cool
the fuck is your wife doing right now?

[Anonymous No.2425997]

>>2425973
While taking that pic? It's a selfie, she was knitting. Or do you mean in general? She said aslong I don't waste too much money it's fine

[Anonymous No.2426005]

Epoxy can be formed a bit further while curing I noticed, it's gooey after now 12 hours. Was able to model it a bit around the edge, this should give me a decent result of what I've envisioned. At first wanted 24 layers of glass + 3 top layers, 2 mosaic layers, now it's 18+6 glass and only 2 mosaics on certain spots.

Could my Idea of light + heavy cloth give better results vs heavy only cloth with same amount of layers, I wonder.
>>2423627
The guy in the vid talks about densification, small, medium and bigger sized particles together, filling out space evenly

[Anonymous No.2426015]

I'm future news.

OP is dead.

[Anonymous No.2426189]

>>2426015
Is there a reason to spook me like this? My dude for the last time, it's not illegal

[Anonymous No.2426329]

>>2420396
>cut out each piece at different angles, but thats too wasteful IMO
Are you talking about ply orientation? Laying them at different angles to each other greatly increases strength. If you really want to cut corners just mince the whole thing up and spread it like paste as thick as you please. They call that flock and it's used to patch small holes in aircraft components.

[Anonymous No.2426457]

>>2426329
see pic, I meant the weave pattern, there exists even a coaxial weave top right. Can you put glass filament into a blender and mix it with epoxy? Hmmmm yummy

[Anonymous No.2426459]

>>2426457
im talking bs, it's multiaxial and also it's not even woven I realize

[Anonymous No.2426476]

>>2420333
If you get shot in the head, regardless of wearing ballistic Armour, you will be out cold, long enough at minimum for who ever shot you to teabag and then finish you off with another blow point blank.

[Anonymous No.2426483]

>>2426476
yes you're right
>side

[Anonymous No.2426485]

>>2426483
>front

[Anonymous No.2426487]

>>2426485
>other side
>666kb that wasn't intentional

[Anonymous No.2426492]

>>2426487
oh file size incresed by few bites
>inside
gotta cut that careful not to damage my straps. Is there some kind of ductape that can be painted on? I figured I wanna stick tape on the entire edge, finnally paint it with green/purple/bronze flip flop paint to look like a bug.

Starting to like the smell of epoxy

[Anonymous No.2426503]

went to the library, they have zero books about working with epoxy resin and glass filament. No boat repair, car repair, floor work, cosplay. Just nothing.

[Anonymous No.2426508]

>>2426457
>Can you put glass filament into a blender and mix it with epoxy?
I don't see why not. That multi axial orientation is going to be the strongest, though. Keep it in mind if you somehow end up with holes to patch. Use it as a doubler between sheets.

[Anonymous No.2426552]

>>2426485
>"Somebody stop me!"

[Anonymous No.2426590]

Idk your situation OP if you are in some country that has terrorists or if you are targeted by the ISIS for being the wrong sort of muslim. But regardless when it comes to things that save your life like seatbelts well you dont wanna cheap out. Go grab a plate carrier with some nice ceramic plating and then a kevlar helmet. Or a steel one i guess. I guess a flak vest could stop some handgun rounds too if you find one in a museum.

[Anonymous No.2426592]

>>2426590
wait nvm i read it is your art project.

[Anonymous No.2426749]

at around 17 Minutes, 2 layers of porcelain tiles backed by 25 and 30 layers of woven roving

youtube.com/watch?v=HMrhS6hurYM

[Anonymous No.2426814]

slow progress, wife made a print of my back. Wanted to cut cloth for the other pieces, 1 body, 2 forearms, 2 shins, 2 upper legs. 7 x 18 = 126 patches. Scissors gave up after 12, wasted an hour trying to sharpen them unsuccesfully. Now I feel like a complete idiot. Dumb scissors

[Anonymous No.2427433]

It weighs 1577g, roughly 1cm thick for the most part. The straps came loose and I cut into one slightly, luckily I could remove it and pull in more.

I lack not only time but space. I realized I can't lay out all armor pieces at once. Maximum 3 at a time. This is going to take a while. Wait times again
>gypsum print, dry atleast 1 day
>coat print with epoxy, dry 2 days minimum
>first 18 layers in epoxy, again 2 days minimum
>second 6 layers, you guessed it 2 days
Then also dry time of E6000 for the straps is also 2 days? Not sure as I've to test it a second time. All in all without the time requirements I'm quite pleased.

[Anonymous No.2427434]

>>2427433
>inside
I'm actually hiding an ugly spot at the left inner side where a dinner plate isn't covered by the glass. Don't tell anyone

[Anonymous No.2427465]

Personally I would’ve completely smoothed the face and made the eyes as narrow as possible without obstructing view. I understand it’s difficult to target eyes let alone a head but a shotgun is more like a dice roll in that regard.

[Anonymous No.2427471]

>>2427465
yes things could slide off into my eyes. Am currently looking for plexiglass on ebay and damn that stuff got expensive since corona, every shop has those plates dangling from the ceiling at their registers. Maybe I gonna 'find' such a plate somewhere instead of buying it. Real ballistic goggles cost 100€ upwards. You should've noticed by now that I'm a totally cheap bastard.

A cool thing that happened was, the second cast I did filled out the eyeholes and I had to drill them out again too. Epoxy is actually quite clear, I wonder if I can simply make a pour without glassfilament into the eyes. If anything, I want to tape a slim eye protection with anti fog surface on the inside and make cheap ballistic goggle. Stick a painter mask on this thing and it's going to look like straight from fallout

[Anonymous No.2427710]

>>2425973
Getting the kids and moving back to mom

[Anonymous No.2427739]

>>2427710
No, she supports me and I support her. Helped me with my back, she put the gypsum on, obviously can't do that myself. The joke for a week is, I gonna make a modelled body plate for her huge tits, standard carrier plates won't fit.

[Anonymous No.2427890]

>>2420351
This is 100% legal, wtf are you on about?

[Anonymous No.2427892]

>>2420914
>they aren't fat like me they must be feds

[Anonymous No.2427907]

>>2422840
Hero name : The Slug

[Anonymous No.2427909]

>>2425973
Blowing him

[Anonymous No.2428182]

>>2425715
Vacuum bagging also makes it stiffer. It's some combination of having less epoxy that's also better attached to the glass. But maybe your way is better for stopping bullets: maybe it bends farther before breaking and so absorbs more energy in spite of the force being less. But I'm not sure. Less force also helps with the concussion problem.

[Anonymous No.2428362]

e6000 sure is a strong adhesive

[Anonymous No.2428363]

dude! wanna go skating?

[Anonymous No.2428378]

>>2427892
Reason #684,391 that they're definitely feds:
Like Ukraine continuously losing ground, any slight against Ukies losing or Fed Front is always met with a response.

[Anonymous No.2428466]

They are running out of lists to put you on OP

[Anonymous No.2428493]

Is this the birth of the first 4chan minecrafter in germany?

You should use the 9€ ticket to visit the Bundestag

[Anonymous No.2428526]

>>2428466
>>2428493
shut up already


Am thinking of ways to make a gettho ballistic protective goggle, 2cm of plexiglass should do the trick. But am unsure on how exactly to build it. I want it to be curved and fit over my mask like pic rel. Could some stacked eye protections from work achieve this? Am unsure atm

[Anonymous No.2428538]

am tired. Guess I will look into making diy bullet resistant glass first before continuing on the remaning armor

youtube.com/watch?v=QPweADnNrKU

[Anonymous No.2428543]

>>2428538
ah man I need polycarbonate, not acrylic/plexiglass. It's cheaper, it's stronger. Another thx to techthisoutmeow

[Anonymous No.2428558]

>>2420333
Trips checked.

So many questions...:
- you say you want to protect against shrapnel but no eye protection?
- how much have you invested in this? I find it hard to believe that this would be cheaper than simply ordering a kevlar mask/helmet/vest.
- what happens if your stuff gets wet? Will it separate/fail?

You have to have a lot of confidence to walk around in homemade shit like that in an active battle area. "If you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough".

[Anonymous No.2428563]

>>2428558
>you say you want to protect against shrapnel but no eye protection?
not yet, I want to put 2 glasses for each eye on the inside of the mask atleast. For further protection I'm not sure yet what to place on the outside. Multiple stacked working glasses, a diy visor, a flat rectangular plate I dunno atm and my brains hurt. I think I gonna take some eye protections glasses from work.
> how much have you invested in this? I find it hard to believe that this would be cheaper than simply ordering a kevlar mask/helmet/vest.
wrote that few times, 50€ for 10m2 woven roving, 30€ for modeling weave, 40€ for 3kg epoxy, 11€ for e6000, 10€ for twenty straps, few coins bought porcelain ware from flea markets. Had to buy a dremel for 55€ which I didn't have before. Bought new scissor for 3€ something but it starts to dull already, atleast I know now how to sharpen them. Other items needed are, drill with drills, brushes to apply the epoxy (then either throw away those or wash em out in alcohol), the gypsum for modeling was 15€ and still have some rolls leftover, did all my body parts already. I boight a skater helmet for 6€ on a fleamarket too, I intend to improve it with my method.

It's not just cheaper, I want to also have an option to make more fitting armor, for little kids (my son) and women with big boobas (my wife).
>what happens if your stuff gets wet? Will it separate/fail?
no, epoxy is waterproof. I washed my mask out with water twice already to clear it of the grinding dust
>You have to have a lot of confidence to walk around in homemade shit like that in an active battle area. "If you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough".
>homemade shit
my son. you are on >>>/diy/

[Anonymous No.2428610]

bump from /poorfag/ general

[Anonymous No.2428618]

>>2420333
You probably get 2 shots with a mask before you're debilitated from blunt force trauma
Why not a helmet?
>fully enclosed bulletproof helmet
>place and shield camera (wide angle) in the helmet casing, not mounted
>feed video to cheap vr setup
Could fully encase the head, including padding to minimize force of a bullet hitting to being inconsequential, and the target to potentially disable your sight is extremely small. Not to mention it would look metal.

[Anonymous No.2429208]

>>2428618
yes a camera linked to a screen inside would be sick. Maybe I should mention this again, I am poor. Neetbux poor.

Cut some more patches, made the breastplate and epoxid the gypsum backplate. Getting a hang for mixing the right amount of epoxy right away. For the record. 45cm x 33 cm sized cloths, 18 pieces + the gypsum backplate. 400ml epoxy and almost 300ml hardener (too much), then poured some more epoxy in. That was just right. Am running out of epoxy, have only little more than half of it remaining now, I gonna try to calculate it with what I've concluded today. Woven roving needs a big gulp and the light weave sometimes only a few strokes, it sucks up so much epoxy of the underlaying woven roving.

I think I gonna make a groin and side plates after I've done the main pieces, to figure out how these secondary armor pieces have to be sized and how much overlay they require. Also 2 shoulder pieces, a kind of gauntlet and frontal boot plates.

[Anonymous No.2429558]

>>2429208
>I think I gonna make a groin and side plates after I've done the main pieces,
Make sure the groin plate hangs like dong, like those padded groin protectors they use in olympic contact sports

[Anonymous No.2429563]

>>2421546
>>2421479
The vacuum bag is extremely important for getting good layer adhesion

[Anonymous No.2429680]

>>2429563
true. Question remains, what role plays layer adhesion for projectile resistance. I always think of that youtube guy who used a phonebook on his body and his gf shot him dead. He apareantly did some tests, simply shot the book with the same gun and ammo. But it wasn't afixed, just placed standing. Book catched the ammo and remaining energy knocked it off into the air. That's why I cringe a bit when I see test shootings where the armor isn't fixed in a way for it's intended use. You don't run around with plates attached to strings, dangling in the air infront of you.

Only some thought out test shootings will clearify this.

[Anonymous No.2429695]

>>2429680
I inhaled too much epoxy vapor. Layer adhesion and affixement are different topics. Oh well, soft body armor doesn't have any layer adhesion I would think

[Anonymous No.2429761]

For making see trough protection, I think I got it figured out. Polycarbonate plates and a heat gun. I buy some in the 3mm thickness range, stack them up 7 times and glue them together with epoxy or a different clear sticky substance

[Anonymous No.2430853]

op here. still working on it, made the first 18 layers of the backplate now. I'm writing this for myself and others to read if they're interested.

I've roughly 2m2 left of both glass weaves, epoxy almost empty. Mask is done par colouring it and putting eye protection on, breast and backplate first 18 cuts done with epoxy, shins and forearms also cut, not yet laminated. I don't have enough cloth for the helmet and both upperleg pieces. Not even to mention the other armor parts I intend to make not only for myself.

I calculated how much epoxy I exactly need for my backplate. 0.45m2 x 0.33m2 x 18 layers = 2.673m2 worth of cloth, 9 lightweave and 9 woven roving. At first I mixed only 200+120ml resin to see how long I can drag it out. Was gone after 6 layers, then mixed another 300+180 which was exactly how much I needed. So 800ml in total, 500ml epoxy resin and 300ml hardener. 800ml : 2.673m2 = 299.28918817807

300ml for one square meter consisting of mentioned types of weaving. Keeping in mind the different qualities as such as weight and pattern, this formula won't be correct for using as example only woven roving. 300ml resin wouldn't be enough. Maybe you can conclude that I'm using 580g/m2 and a 168g/m2 glass, so both weights combined is 748g/m2 divided by 2 to come back to actual square meter is 374g. There are fiber glass cloths in that weight range. So maybe I could also use these, stacked 18 times and come to a similiar result for using epoxy. But I want to stick to my current method for now. Wrote techthisoutmeow, asked if I can send him a test square to shoot at. No response so far. If this archieves soon, I'll make a new one the moment I make signifcant progress of any kind.

[Anonymous No.2430858]

>>2430853
thanks anon, keep it up.
boob plate when
>captcha 88kox

[Anonymous No.2431905]

>>2420333
Retired military here. BLT 1/6 Marines. Did a small stent as an armorer and did some time on a testing and evaluation committee for body armor.

Most ceramics are rated to stop a single shot from their protection level. A plate rated at 7.62 will stop one round. After that it breaks and needs to be replaced.

Interesting enough we did a trial on angular metal plating of different materials which could withstand a dozen or more rounds of it's rated caliber. Think weird ass looking triangles all over the armor so the bullets deflect. Problem is the stuff is difficult to mass produce compared to replacing plates.

If I had the opportunity for personal body armor I would go the angled metal route. The only other solid type of body armor I could recommend for repeated rounds is liquid armor.

P.S. most of my platoons would wear their magazines over their vitals because more often than not bullets stop bullets better than armor.

[Anonymous No.2433355]

>>2431905
Like this?

[Anonymous No.2433619]

(blurry) muscle cuirass. Am tired

[Anonymous No.2433661]

bump

[Anonymous No.2433806]

Why is there no tongue hole on the mask? Will you be able to put nipples on the chest plate like George Clooney batman?

[Anonymous No.2433809]

>>2431905
what about the problem where it weighs twice as much?

[Anonymous No.2433811]

>>2433809
Similar but the entire surface is 50+ degree angles with no flat areas
>>2433809
I'd rather hump heavy armor rated for multiple rounds than heavy armor rated for a single round. Either way it's heavy.

[Anonymous No.2434064]

>>2428563
>It's not just cheaper, I want to also have an option to make more fitting armor, for little kids (my son)

>spend 3 months making custom fit armor for son
>son outgrows armor a few months later

IMHO, fitted armor isn't the way to go for cheapness. I think modern military has it right with plates and carriers. Easier to make, swap, replace, even between different people. A full-face motorcycle-type helmet would fit many and be also easier to make.


>>2429680
>what role plays layer adhesion for projectile resistance.

I'd say it's very important. The fibers rely on each other for resistance. Rather than 10 layers working together for resistance, you'll have 10 individual layers that are easy to get through by themselves.


>>2429695
>soft body armor doesn't have any layer adhesion I would think

They also don't work as well as hard body armor.

[Anonymous No.2434097]

>>2434064
ok good points. Still waiting for a response from techthisoutmeow.

had to buy more material, 10m2 of both cheaper and slightly more g/m2 heavy and lighter glassweave 41, 80€ for heavy and 30, 23€ for light. 6kg of different epoxy for 69, 90€ which also cheaper than the previous one.

This actually is an issue, I laminated my shins with the leftover epoxy of the first kind, had enough resin for doing the first 4 layers. Didn't brush anymore epoxy on the last layer, only let it soak from beneath. Put some single strands of glass on it too, hopefully it will bond good with the remaining glass for which I need the new type of epoxy, I'll let it cure for atleast a day. I'm a bit paranoid about using two different resins immedeatly in one setting, maybe they'd react and burn? I check every now and then that no smoke or anything builds up.

I gonna calculate the cost for a 33cm x 33cm plate one moment

[Anonymous No.2434102]

>>2434097
33x33, it's roughly 15€ for only glass and resin. porcelain can be had for free I guess. tools and protective gear not included.

[Anonymous No.2434110]

>>2420358
this
>>2420333
if you're actually planning on taking some bullets, you must be using kevlar and literally nothing else is going to work
>>2420482
>my dude, there are various more yt videos showing you that 20 layers of woven glassfilament bonded together with epoxy resin is capable of stoping even 12 gauge slugs.
Thats a nice link you provided, maybe stop pulling shit out of your ass?

oh wait OP is definitely planning a mass shooting despite having a family, genius. yeah why not make the mask out of cardboard then you fucking degenerate white nigger?

[Anonymous No.2434153]

>>2434110
big oof, no cap fr fr

[Anonymous No.2434196]

>>2420333
Alright OP, what place are you planning to shoot up?

[Anonymous No.2434753]

my shins. black marked sharpie points didn't dilute with this new epoxy. These were the last patches I initially marked and cut for my mask, but I had to use larger ones to cover the tiles of my mask. The green colour seems about the same, both epoxies are clear, but it turns green with the glass, which itself is white clear. Curious. Infact I like how it looks, like corroded copper and bronze, ancient armor. I had done the first both 6 layers yesterday with the old remaining epoxy (don't remember exactly, maybe 400ml total), the both 12 more today. These shin patches are sized 33x33 actually, I made 300ml resin for half and another 300ml for the other half which by then was a bit too much and I used more than needed. If I calculate it, I'd think it's correct but you've to also use the resin up the right way, not too much and not too little.

0.33x0.33x18x2 = 4m2 x 300ml = 1200ml resin, I think I used less. Maybe this new type of epoxy is more viscous or fluid, I dunno exactly. I like how the gypsum cast holds up so well and the glass ontop keeps the anatomical details.

[Anonymous No.2434947]

All this work for nothing

[Anonymous No.2435155]

>>2434947
Such is life. Anon what is art? Passion? Free will? I want it, therefore I make it. What if a 15€ plate can stop multiple strong handgun projectiles from close range and fragmention of explosions? What will you make of this information? Some gouvernments around the world have banned armor, not the weapon but the armor. Isn't that insane? Curiosity saved the cat.

[Anonymous No.2436059]

shins fit perfectly, they hold on without straps while not moving around to quick. Just laminated my forearm plates, wore the shin plates the entire time. calculated, 23(width)x33(length)x18(layers)x2(two pieces)=2.7324m2, slightly more than my breast/back plate, emptied another bottle, got 500ml out of it + 250ml hardener, so 750. That was slightly not enough, had to mix another 150ml, so all in all 900ml. Math still seems correct with 300ml for 18 layers per square meter if I can apply it economicaly, with the new epoxy too.

Still waiting for the second bolt of light glass weave and other materials, slow delivery. Epoxy resin is the most expensive ingredient. 11€ something per kg is the cheapest I could find.

[Anonymous No.2436098]

Not sure if you have one of these. Helpful to roll out bubbles. Also if you let a layer dry make sure to round up and make it all dull(no shiny spots) before you apply another layer. Otherwise it will crack in between the the applications of the layers. Use acetone to clean roller if it get to sticky, but keep acetone off of the wet resin on what you are working on.

[Anonymous No.2436099]

>>2436098
Rough it up/sand it. Not round up

[Anonymous No.2436100]

>>2428543
You can use heat gun on poly to remove slight scratches and over sanding marks but apply heat evenly and slowly. If you heat it up to much you will get bubbles just below the surface

[Anonymous No.2436271]

>>2435155
>What if a 15€ plate can stop multiple strong handgun projectiles from close range and fragmention of explosions
It can't.
>Some gouvernments around the world have banned armor, not the weapon but the armor. Isn't that insane?
Weapons are banned most everywhere too. The armor is banned so your government overlords can kill you more easily.

I can't imagine being so desperate that I'd strap on armor made by some stoned eurocuck out of twigs and glue.

[Anonymous No.2436312]

>>2420333

Use Kevlar cloth. It’s bulletproof

[Anonymous No.2436317]

>>2436098
desu bubbles don't seem to form anymore. I can hold the plates in the air and let shine light trough, there seems to be none, gonna make photos later. Also while cutting out larger sections like the arm curvature from the breast, no bubbles at the cut. I'm washing my brushes out in gasoline, doesn't work well and had to trough one away.
>>2436100
good info thx
>>2436271
ok
>>2436312
see>>2421796 almost ten times more expensive

[Anonymous No.2436368]

>>2420396
Hey dude i'm from germany too. You can buy all muzzleloaders who are based on a model from before 1870 without a licence. Of course you would need a licence for the powder ... or you just buy some firework.

About the mask: Do you get enough air while wearing it? I mean when you have to run and stuff. I would make the breathing holes a bit larger and maybe add a hole for your mouth so you can talk better. It doesn't have to be that big, just big enough that people can undestand what you are saying.

Also you should consider adding some steelplates to your mask. You could use the mask as a base and the steelplates to reflect bullets (and most of their energy). It might make it a bit heavyer but its protecting your head so ...

About the rest of your body armor: How about using a aluminium plate under the ceramic?

[Anonymous No.2436853]

>>2436368
While laying the gypsum rolls over my face, I lowered my jaw slightly to give it a bigger fit. Can talk while wearing it. Breathing is not an issue aswell, didn't run a marathon yet. After all the research I did, I concluded that 20+ layers of heavy fiber glass cloth alone gives you atleast lvl 3a protection. Then either add special ceramic coated steel or ceramics alone as strike face wherein the most glass acts as backer. The idea to rather deflect projectiles with pyramid shaped steel pieces is good. But I figured I don't want to have high velocity shit bounce off me into someone's else direction, unlikely it even comes to this but still. That's why I put a top layer of more glas over the porcelain.

Wrote somewhere the mask weighs 1577 g and is rougly 1 cm thick on the edge, it's certainly thicker where I've placed 2 porcelain layers. Working on a goggle and am sourcing foam pads to put inside for shock absorbance.

I dunno what an aluminum (bite me) plate could aclompish, there's already the glas weave? Wanna keep it cheap

[Anonymous No.2436854]

can't see bubbles, only on the very first inner layer. Put kitchen film there to seperate it from the gyps print

[Anonymous No.2436856]

can't see much, these aren't cracks but felts from the foil

[Anonymous No.2436949]

Where is the tongue hole?
Also put me on the screenshot

[Anonymous No.2436956]

>>2433806
>>2436949
tongue anon, this isn't some sort of sm gear I'm making.

[Anonymous No.2436957]

forearms btw

[Anonymous No.2436962]

There's some homemade armor tests on the demolition ranch channel that might help figure out what and what not to do.

[Anonymous No.2436993]

Will you paint it when done? If so, what scheme?

[Anonymous No.2437015]

>>2436853
>I dunno what an aluminum (bite me) plate could aclompish

Here is a video about aluminium as part of body armor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv8BpX3mxsY

There is also a testing video of this armor design:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEDMQ7jalU4

[Anonymous No.2437018]

Some dudes in Kiev (yes) were using layered car soundproofing sheets with steel plate and claiming level 4 protection. It was on the news here.
Some other guy on yt was using polyethylene jugs.

[Anonymous No.2437053]

>>2436962
I'm aware of that, I posted some already and other's have to. The first time I read about diy body armor made of fiber glass was 10 years ago or so. There was a vid on youtube from 'mind to machine' he also has a blog
http://mindtomachine.blogspot.com/p/armor.html?m=1
but he made some private and I can't find that certain one where he shoots selfmade armor. Since then I were intruged by this, never had the need to make one myself but lateley...
>>2436993
>finnally paint it with green/purple/bronze flip flop paint to look like a bug
>>2437015
nice take, that he also uses 2 ceramic tiles instead of one. for the alu, it's too expensive. Not even one sqaure meter with 4mm thickness costs more than 100€. Even if it would be slightly more effective, cost effective I'm better off with glass and epoxy. Then again getting a smooth fit with the alu for curved forms could be problematic. He also says he uses denim as spalling catcher, not for resistance and he states that fiber glass would be better ofc.
>>2437018
think of me what you want
>You know after reading about that Ukranian Babushka, sewing balistic vests and some car mechanic producing sized steel plates for it

can't expect everyone to read this 26 days old thread from top down, but I mentioned most already. I tried to write
techthisoutmeow via patreon (donate) and discord which I also never used before, but I get no response :(

In his last yt vid >>2426749

[Anonymous No.2437061]

>>2437053
man I had to look it up I'm 100% certain it's this video from http://mindtomachine.blogspot.com/search/label/Bulletproof%20Armor?m=0

[Anonymous No.2437062]

>>2437061
and searching the guy on yt is difficult enough. garbage results

[Anonymous No.2437063]

>>2437062
this isn't his channel

[Anonymous No.2437064]

>>2437063
gay algorythms

[Anonymous No.2437065]

>>2437064
he made lots private aa mentioned, what a shame

[Anonymous No.2437066]

>>2437065
ah well, if you type it 'mindtomachine' it's finding him ofc.

[Anonymous No.2437076]

>>2437053
Guess you must be familiar with the mythbusters pickup truck bed liner bombproofing too, then
Anyway, the soundproof mat video, just because (it's in Portuguese/Whateverese, though):
https://sendvid.com/hna8hztx

[Anonymous No.2437078]

The more I think about it, the perfect armor could be something like this.

15+layers of actual multiaxial kevlar. Epoxy mixed with graphene dust and other particles, mentioned here as densification >>2423627. Two offset layers of small boron oxide or other real balistic ceramic tiles. All put together in one go, rather than 3 seperated steps. Would be sick. How can you get better balistic protection in similiar weight/thickness? I doubt you could make it thinner. This only for stoping projectiles, then another layer for deflection. Ontop of a nuclear powered exo skeleton, an armoured exo skeleton. YOU KNOW WHAT FUCK IT! MAKE MECHS LIKE FROM ARMORED CORE OMFG WITH FUCKING JETPACKS AND LASERS AND SHIT AHAHAHAHAHAH FIRING MAH LAZOOOOOOOOOOOOR

[Anonymous No.2437092]

Hi, my name is White Glint. My pronouns are All/Systems/Nominal. I'm allergic to lock ons and dual sword fags. My energy consumption is higher than my output, in other words I also have mechbeetus. My core weighs 2229 but I identify as Ultralight battle mech
#RavenLivesMatter #BanLRMs #MakeMechsCoolAgain

[Anonymous No.2437204]

>>2437076
was not, looked it up. They used line x. Can't find it anywhere for sale. The company also made this paxcon stuff, maybe you can buy that on ebay? Gonna check
https://linex.com/security-and-defense

[Anonymous No.2437220]

>>2437204
you can't buy it in a can. Specalized painters with special gear have to apply it.
>pic rel
the horror, the horror

[Anonymous No.2437228]

Hey OP, I know that although there are many people here who just do t see the point in making such a mask I find it worrying coll. Keep up the good work and keep up the updates, rooting for u.

[Anonymous No.2437637]

>>2437204
>>2437220
The way it was presented in that episode made it look like it was just some run of the mill commercial coating. Maybe that was the case then. Looks like it's some big deal now.

[Anonymous No.2437640]

>>2420333
It's literally going to do nothing. IE because your shitty composite armor will be punched through by any rifle round, most pistols. And if the bullets don't kill or incapacitate you, the fucking force being transferred into you will.

[Anonymous No.2437654]

>>2437204
While looking around, came across this; looks interesting:
https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2008/12/blast-resistant-wall-paper-and-enhanced.html
Also, first comment on this video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3JOXrpCLCJg
>They repeated the test with Rhino Liner and not only did Buster eat it, but the wall also immediately faded and peeled.

[Anonymous No.2437656]

>>2437204
https://linex.com/bedliners

[Anonymous No.2437973]

>>2437640
ok boss
>>2437656
HOW IT’S SPRAYED
Every LINE-X bedliner is applied by highly trained technicians who treat your vehicle like it’s their own. Our skilled applicators take time to ensure the quality of their work by verifying the precise tolerances of every bedliner, ensuring a consistent and ideal thickness for optimum utility in a truck bed.

I'd buy a can or two, but they don't sell it like that

[Anonymous No.2438062]

>>2437092
kek

[Anonymous No.2438079]

>>2420333
examine tank armor logic. planes that prevent perpendicular angles of attack for any projectile fired right in front of the armor. make planes that join over your general area you want armored and then build up on a more rigid structure. split the form into pieces and have a flat plane across. do this as is needed. center is a common split point horizontal but you can ad vertical splits

the goal is to decrease the likely hood it can hit and dig in and instead some kinetic will be imparted and push the projectile away. remember no perpendicular angles of attack from head on. this cant be prevented for all possibilities at the same time but head on is typical

[Anonymous No.2438175]

delivery failed twice, couldn't find my adress (bullshit) didn't automatically deliver to postal shops near me (more bullshit)

I need it to continue on the other pieces. Shins, forearms and body need ceramics + top layers. upper legs and helmet not even started. Ordered cheap goggles, they're not here yet. Already got 1cm (outside) and 0.75mm (inside) thick acrylic glass. I need the goggles for the thicker glass for an exact fit.

[Anonymous No.2438257]

>>2438175
cut my 18 cloths for the helmet. Actually had enough left, now the light weave is used up completely. Gona laminate it tomorow as I'm too tired. Tried to make inner protection glasses for my mask to no avail, the heat gun made it warp terrible and I couldn't mold it in any way. Don't have enough flat surface to adhere it too. Imagined it to be easier. Maybe I could try to make a tight cut and fit it inside both eyeholes. Hate precision work.

[Anonymous No.2438281]

>>2436956
Ok but how else will you blow raspberries at the feds?

[Anonymous No.2438290]

The sheer amount of retardation in this thread amazes me. I really want to believe that this is some giant shitpost jamboree but I think you guys are being serious about this.
If you actually decide to rush into battle wearing this shit please remember to strap on a camera and stream your last moments for us.

[Anonymous No.2438306]

>>2438290
It needs a tongue hole

[Anonymous No.2438504]

>>2438281
>>2438306
i like you
>>2438290
why would I want to rush into battle? I understand that tactical soldier boys say mobility is key, you can't aim properly with a visor helmet, if a group of angry guys with rifles are after you you're going to die anyways. yadda yadda. I'm just a regular civillian. I have no guns, no combat/war expirience. If I'd put this armor to real use, it would be scenarios were we had bunkered down by then because of recent events and I'd act as entry guard to my family's compound. Gonna protect our DEENZ.

We will run nowhere, because there is nowhere to run to, all the fugitives are already here. Where will us germans flee to? Nowhere.

Peasants of today have access to such advanced materials which peasants of the past could'nt even imagine to need, since we seek properties to defend against weapons surpassing the efficency of their ancient counterparts by several magnitudes.

I'm going to be a balistic resistant knight. Clad in human chitin, shimmering in green, purple and gold. Destiny has it's own humor, for this time an insect stomps you. You know that cockroaches survive nuclear winter? I will be their king.

I realize you are planning to become a looter. Your incompetent rage stems from the inferiority you developed reading trough my plans. Your puny 9mm won't cut it anymore and now you can't afford any greentips. In your anger you lash out, but thy words are repelled like weak handgun ammunition. You want my stash? My tasty yummy conserved treats? The nutricioriiiiinos?

I have my armor already on. I raise my balistic shield and my glorious rebar of divine justice. I am the knight of the apocalypse. I charge into you with a battle cry with the strength of a thousand neets

>DEEEEEEEENZ NUTS!

Jesus Christ help us all

[Anonymous No.2438527]

>>2425786
Protective masks don't really make sense. Ignoring the drawbacks on the soldier like vision and equipment interference, they're very unnecessary, a well formed helmet to protect the brain is essential but facial trauma is not all that life threatening.

[Anonymous No.2438577]

>>2438504
>I'm going to be a balistic resistant knight. Clad in human chitin, shimmering in green, purple and gold. Destiny has it's own humor, for this time an insect stomps you. You know that cockroaches survive nuclear winter? I will be their king.
I'll give you a tip - if you survive it'll be because you're good at hiding and avoiding direct conflict. Your best bet is to hide your valuables and supplies well and stick to the shadows. In a direct fight against an armed opponent you will be stepped on and smushed instantly like your cockroach heroes.
>I realize you are planning to become a looter. Your incompetent rage stems from the inferiority you developed reading trough my plans. Your puny 9mm won't cut it anymore and now you can't afford any greentips.
Sorry Klaus, but I'm a MERRICAN. Your armor won't protect you long enough to get anywhere near me with a piece of sharpened rebar. I will admit, seeing you dressed in that as you screech autistically and charge at me would be both shocking and hilarious though.

[Anonymous No.2440655]

Waiting for tongue hole pix with action shots of the tongue sticking out

[Anonymous No.2440974]

Have you looked into LIBA style of armor? A few years ago, /k/ found out that the patent on manufacturing this type of armor had expired. The core concept is that Boron carbide (the material body armor plates are made out of) is easily obtainable in the form of industrial cylindrical bearings. Embedding these in a UHMWPE substrate allows you to make fuck huge plates 25x30cm that weigh less than 3kg. You can make your muscle curiass bulletproof against 7.62 Nato, as the plates can soak up 20 hits before being compromised, and have it weigh less than 10kgs. Your efforts up to the present moment are important as spall blocking backers, as well as spreading the impact energy to less crippling indentations.

https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/38843630/#38844532

[Anonymous No.2441071]

>>2440655
:P
>>2440974
cool. gonna read trough it. I already qouted this from the armor master himself

>alumina oxide, silica carbide, boron carbide are the best, if your going store bought porcelain works, just heavier and thicker. Stay away from brick, slate, and silica mortar based ceramic tiles, they suck.

I can't find simple boron carbide, or the other two materials simply on ebay. Google shopping lists boron carbide products from other countries, quite ecpensive. Sofar we've gathered
>add graphene dust and other hard particles to epoxy resin to improve it
>line x produces bomb proof coating
>boron carbide is the best ceramic for strike faces, alumina oxide and silica carbide are also good. Poor fucks like me can only get their hands on porcelain
>hard steel in pyramide shapes can deflect projectiles
>ceramics + aluminum plates can also result in good plates
>hardened steel scales can be fashioned into good bullet resistant armor
what did I miss?

actually wanted to let this thread to finally rip and make a fresh one soon. boobplates coming if wife lemme touch her

[Anonymous No.2441072]

>>2441071
couldn't post at first, banned. that's the curse when using mobile internet. never played overshit

[Anonymous No.2441077]

the more I think about it, dragon skin and LIBA seem to have one thing in common, the ceramics - overlapping silicon carbide discs and boron carbide bearings - are strengthened and additionally held together by a top protection. If this top protection is strong enough, it seems it should hold in the shattering ceramics instead of it flying everywhere, hence you already got a spalling protection. Furthermore, with this method you could reach good multi hit protection as the ceramic shards of previously shot scales are still in place. So if anything, I'm building a poor man's version of this.

[Anonymous No.2441139]

>>2420333
Look your better off using titanium sheets

[Anonymous No.2442770]

neat

[Anonymous No.2443350]

Tongue hole in use please post

[Anonymous No.2445516]

>>2424748
Why the fuck do you wear socks with flip flop shoes ?

[Anonymous No.2445531]

>>2443350
Can't drill trough it, two porcelain shards are over the mask's mouth
>>2445516
ummm.... because I'm german. Also these are sandals

[Anonymous No.2446139]

>>2445531
You didn't try hard enough to make a tongue slot. That's quitter speak