American Construction Sucks

[Anonymous No.1922629]

Tradie here. Why is American construction so fucking trash?
>pic related is the attic of an upper middle class home I was working on.
Which country has the best construction?
I’m looking for something that is both durable, aesthetically pleasing, and open.

[Anonymous No.1922633]

Mix of a few things.
#1 cost. It seems to be the consoooomer attitude to race to the bottom and get the cheapest possible thing.
#2 good trees are rare and expensive, thus the toothpick 2x4 trash
#3 stone and brick died here early on and is extremely expensive to ship long distances, and brick words/quarries are not common

Look into Timber framing. Its all three of your criteria but it will be entirely diy (which isn't so bad if you have trees on property already) or rather expensive, as you're shipping whole trees around.

[Anonymous No.1922635]

>>1922633
So much #1. And contractors eat most of that profit.

[Anonymous No.1922636]

That's just residential. Metal framed studs are the future of construction in the US.

[Anonymous No.1922639]

>>1922636
Shill me metal framed studs. I'd like to have stones/bricks lining the outside of my future home. I know this is more difficult to plumb, so on the inside I'd prefer something like wood framed studs, but this metal framed stud is new to me.
What's the benefits?

[Anonymous No.1922656]

>>1922639
Metal Studs for non-load bearing walls.

Pros
+Prices are more stable and often cheaper than lumber
+Material is plumb and straight without question
+Metal is much lighter
+Inherent Fire Protection, thus lower insurance premium
+Mold and Termite Protection

Cons
-Faraday Cage
-More insulation needed
-Not seismically great as wood
-Louder construction (?)

The building I'm working on has CMU (cinder block) load bearing walls, which are concrete blocks with rebar inside and then filled again with concrete. For the inside, there are massive steel columns. It's an absolute pain in the ass for wall penetrations (plumbing, electrical, so on) -- which means you need extensive planning to put all the piping in the concrete slab, or in the subterranean layer so each room is connected. Every new construction site I've been on which is commercial/industrial has followed the same plan.

That said, the building I work at is meant to be fire proof -- no wood in the building at all, and meant to last generations.

[Anonymous No.1922901]

>>1922629
Obviously you haven't been in the trades for very long. If you had been you'd know the answer. Hell, if you were half observant you'd know the answer.
But I'm feeling generous, so I'll spoon feed you.
Housing developements are always built by the guy that bids the job the cheapest. They are not built by the guy that does his job well, or cares about quality. They are built by the guy who does it quickest by cutting the most corners they can get away with so they can bid it _cheapest_. This is why you see OSB instead of plywood, 15 year asphalt shingles, and vinyl siding. Compound this with a complete lack of market forces to push back against shit construction due to a complete lack of knowledge on the consumer's part and you end up with a race to the bottom of the barrel and mass produced "homes" that are only barely up to code.
Quality home constuction in the States is now only done by custom builders who actually give a shit for clients that have a clue.

[Anonymous No.1922916]

>>1922629
wtf is wrong in the pic

[Anonymous No.1922925]

>>1922916

Not enough insulation for. A good energy star rating

[Anonymous No.1922930]

>>1922916
OP here again
>flex duct only meant for vibration isolation is instead used for the entire duct run, spaghetti everywhere that allows for rodents to chew through and piss in your duct so you get less heat and breathe in their urine and shit air, will need to be replaced every 15-20 years regardless.
>Shitty osb board everywhere
>the only thing between the outside and the attic is osb, a thin waterproof layer, and crappy shingles. I know because the nails stuck straight through to the attic with about 3 inches remaining
>crappy insulation everywhere, no sheets of thick insulation or even expanding foam insulation, will need to be replaced in 10-15 years.

[Anonymous No.1922937]

>>1922930
Anon, blown insulation sucks to work with but does a much better job than sheets of foam.

[Anonymous No.1922941]

>>1922937
Which is exactly why no one will use their attic because it's so fucking nasty.
I'd much rather use pads of insulation or expanding foam insulation.

[Anonymous No.1922943]

>>1922629
>Tradie here. Why is American construction so fucking trash?
I don't see anything wrong with this.
>Which country has the best construction?
There is no best. It all depends on local conditions.
Some places have rain, some snow, some hurricanes, some tsunamis, some earthquake. Some have cheap timber, some don't.
Like it would be dumb to build 2x4 wood near the seashore in seismic country which has tsunamis. RC there all the way.
>>1922636
I don't think so, you niggaz have a lot of wood, makes no sense to use steel.
>>1922639
Pro:
>Can be CNC manufactured, so basically lego
>straight
>as strong as wood or even stronger
Con:
>more expensive if you have cheap wood
>some ppl say fire safety is worse than wood
>thermal bridging

it is basically a wooden stick, but metal.
> I'd like to have stones/bricks lining the outside of my future home.
You can do it with any system.
>>1922930
New house builders will always use cheapest junk, no matter the country.
Like I'd like to see more thermal insulation in the attic, but they didn't because local code is only 6 cm of fiberglass, which is a joke

[Anonymous No.1922947]

>>1922629
>Which country has the best construction

Germany

[Anonymous No.1922966]

>>1922629
>Tradie here. Why is American construction so fucking trash?
because you work on trash jobs. get better and work on a quality crew, and you'll see much better practices.

[Anonymous No.1922969]

>>1922966
this guy is 100% right, but nobody wants to pay for quality anymore. we're half a century into this fastest/cheapest/fuck osha mindset that at this point it's not economically feasible to be a contractor who does it different.

[Anonymous No.1922971]

>>1922656
CMU and Steel superstructures eat cell reception.

[Anonymous No.1923043]

>>1922969
This. Build it in bulk, line up the houses like dominoes, and go, go, go. Whatever material is cheapest, requires the least amount of people, the least amount of skill, and goes up fastest is what builders use. They pay their employees by the hour, material costs what it costs, so they save money and increase profits by building in the fastest time possible. Plywood and OSB are basically the same when it comes to installation time but one is cheaper and it meets code, so that is the one they use. Blown-in insulation is so popular because it is faster than bats. Once you buy the machine you save on installation time. Vinyl siding is popular because it is cheap and it goes up fast. Roof trusses are used because you can have them build offsite and trucked in. The unload them directly to the top of the wall and put them up fast so you save money on labor. You see how this pans out.

You can't do that shit with bricks or real timber framing. That takes skill and time. That equals money. So the only people using it are the people building a single house for themselves and have money to burn. That and houses are fucking expensive as fuck in the US. Their value goes up way faster than inflation. In the last 50 years, the prices of homes have gone up about 40% AFTER adjusting for inflation but wages for most people have been flat in that time adjusted for inflation.

[Anonymous No.1923048]

>>1923043
It is everywhere like that.
If it is production builder - it barely meets code. Like it is not bad or low quality, it is just cheap. If somebody renovates or builds from scratch - they usually don't cheap out on shit like insulation. Also they don't have advantage of economy of scale, which makes some things pointless.

[Anonymous No.1923075]

Japan

[Anonymous No.1923077]

French here, my attic doesn't look very good either. As the house is about 100yo you can see the layers of work done by different people over time, and it's getting worse. Also a lot of crappy repairs done by several generations of poorfag homeowner. I try to do my best when I have to do it myself but I'm also restricted by costs and have to cut some corners as well.

As someone else said above, we're stuck in a race to the cheapest. If you wan't to see quality construction you'll have to go to a country were people make a good living. Maybe scandinavia as their low populations and oil revenues helps avoiding some of the effects of capitalism.

[Anonymous No.1923246]

>>1922629
I wonder sometimes how many real tradies actually come ...here my guess is not many
>>1922636
Yeah, ok

[Anonymous No.1923258]

>>1923075
they only build there houses to last 20 years though. and they all live in shoeboxes.

maybe rural japan in the post ww2 boom 60-80's had top notch stuff but i doubt it.

[Anonymous No.1923288]

>>1923077
I feel you. My house is old and uses 1x8 lumber for the roof deck. No plywood. A few years back we had a branch hit the roof and damage some of the boards. The cost difference between using 1x8 lumber vs a sheet of plywood was fucking huge. The number of boards broken could have been covered by half a 4x8 sheet of plywood yet I ended up spending like 3 times the cost of a full sheet of plywood to get actual 1x8 lumber. Took more time and more nails to install too. For some people, it is hard to see the benefit of using quality materials when the cost difference is so large.

[Anonymous No.1923481]

Best quality cheap houses? Maybe an A-frame prefab?

[Anonymous No.1923635]

>>1922947

I dunno, grandpa said their houses came down just fine when he was there.

[Anonymous No.1923636]

>>1923077
>avoiding some of the effects of capitalism
This is why the best construction is in eastern europe and Russia.

[Anonymous No.1923839]

>>1923075
You're insane.
Houses here are made of cardboard and plastic and are worth absolutely nothing.
The second-hard market for houses is almost non-existent. Having a house on your land is a liability when it comes to selling it, because almost 100% of people want to demolish and build again (another shitbox that will last 10 years maximum).

[Anonymous No.1923859]

>>1922901
Nice blog

[Anonymous No.1923864]

>>1923839
Seconded, lived there back in the 90's. Saw all kinds of neat old homes torn down for ugly ass "new" crackerboxes, because nobody wanted to live in a "used" house.

[Anonymous No.1923878]

>>1922629
running ductwork in the attic isnt typical. although at least one of those is a vent.

you didn't mention cost? you rich as shit? build with steel or reinforced concrete

[Anonymous No.1923883]

>>1922629
Topkek, does the country you came from even have a middle class? Congrats, you are an american now and can forget about that shithole you crawled out of!

1/10 made me reply

[Anonymous No.1924313]

>>1922656
>faraday cage
>con
We'll see

[Anonymous No.1924317]

>>1924313
I lived in steel roof house, in GSM era (900MHz), shit was so bad there... Now I live in metal stud house, with asphalt shingle roof - I barely get 3G, and if I go outside, I have LTE full strength.

[Anonymous No.1924318]

>>1922901
That might be the case in the US. In smaller communities that kind of cutting corners gets a builder a bad name and people will avoid buying homes built by them.

Plenty of homes in Ireland sit empty for years until the price is reduced to what they are worth.
Saying that there are plenty of shite houses built here as well and in the bigger cities people do still buy poorly built new-builds because there is a demand for housing.

[Anonymous No.1924329]

>>1922629
>Which country has the best construction?
Brazil for sure my man
Pic related

[Anonymous No.1924402]

>>1924329
NOw this is a guess but im guessing he wanted a perfect place to route cables or put a socket and using a dead floursent tube so you can break it later is a cheap way of doing it.

[Anonymous No.1924457]

>>1922636
I lived in a house built in 1950-1955 with metal studs. I must question why it never caught on. Big lumber holding us down?

[Anonymous No.1924551]

>>1922629
The Netherlands has some great construction although it's beginning to deteriorate here too ever since that insulation meme was combined with a housing shortage and meme property developers

[Anonymous No.1924596]

>>1924402
Its wired up, anon.

[Anonymous No.1924646]

This looks pretty well made:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9ZphDomZBg

[REMOTE NEURAL CONTROL REMOVAL No.1924655]

>>1922629
That chips board is really top quality its really expensive and bullet proof

[REMOTE NEURAL CONTROL REMOVAL No.1924657]

>>1922656
Faraday cage plz elaborate How?

[Anonymous No.1924700]

>>1924457
How do they look like? Rotten rusted pizdec, or still decent?

[Anonymous No.1926749]

>>1924646

this looks like it would cost a fortune

[Anonymous No.1926765]

>>1922930
>the only thing between the outside and the attic is osb, a thin waterproof layer, and crappy shingles. I know because the nails stuck straight through to the attic with about 3 inches remaining
I'm not one to defend burger houses, but the nails are *supposed to* stick out through the attic. Otherwise you'd be left with tiny little 1/2" nails that get pushed out every time the humidity changes.

[Anonymous No.1926767]

>>1922656
another con is it's annoying to mount anything on metal studs.

[Anonymous No.1926768]

>>1922941
You're not supposed to use your attic.

[Anonymous No.1926777]

>>1924317

maybe you could get some sort of cell tower booster installed on your roof that re-emits the signal to the inside of the house ?

[Anonymous No.1926787]

>>1926767
Literally a non-issue.
Like seriously.
Use same screws they use for metal framing. 4x #6 screw holds up 100 kg no problem
Install wood/steel stud in places where you're going to hang furniture, TV, etc.

Literally like wooden house.

[Anonymous No.1926789]

>>1926777
Yes, but why? If I need full LTE - I just duct tape phone to the pvc pipe, and throw pipe in the window.

[Anonymous No.1926809]

>>1926767
This. I drywalled steel studs once and it was a pain in the balls compared to timber

[Anonymous No.1926815]

>>1926809
What the fuck are you all doing? Steel is just as easy as wood. Actually, even easier, since you won't split the shit out of it if you happen to hit the edge of the thing.

[Anonymous No.1926823]

>>1922656
Insulation between steel studs is also really shitty. It's like putting insulation in a frying pan and touching the rim.

[Anonymous No.1926828]

>>1922916
HVAC in an unconditioned attic is full retard. Not only will any leak make your house negative pressure because more air is drawn through the return than comes back through the supply, but your HVAC is in the exterior climate with heat, cold, and moisture for a massive efficiency loss.

[Anonymous No.1926837]

>>1922635
this exactly. Construction is unskilled labor and costs peanuts elsewhere in the world. Here contractors can make bank if they are crooked... and they all are.

[Anonymous No.1926844]

"...to code"...just means whatever has been built has been done at the shittiest level legally possible..

[Anonymous No.1926860]

>>1926823
Steel studs need exterior insulation

[Anonymous No.1926872]

>>1924657

metal blocks radio waves

[Anonymous No.1926959]

>>1922629
What you are seeing is.

Not-my-jobitus.
As you know mr trade job worker. Everyone is trade is infected with not-my-jobitus.

It is also the American culture of if it works it works they don't need to know about it, its not my problem when it needs repaird/fixed/maintained.

Tldr trade workers are lazy. Though do note all the exceptional ones will crawl out of the woodwork and state ( not at my job, we would never do that )

[Anonymous No.1927188]

>>1922629
I work in commercial and my company is anal about the quality of our work, the finish has to perfect, cleaned and squared or else your reputation (reputation is everything) will suffer and you might even get pulled off the job in exchange for someone more competent. The Residential side is nowhere near as anal as commercial, you can get away with some shady things for some reason. Any anons who’ve done residential plumbing on? Do you guys not get inspected or something?

[Anonymous No.1927272]

>>1927188
They don't have license 100%. Or it is the home owners doing shit.
Like I did, a corrugated trap, because I wasted all PVC fittings I had...

[Anonymous No.1927286]

>>1922629
Finland /thread

[Anonymous No.1927291]

>>1922629
who cares? play by the rules. nothing in this country is meant to last nowadays. get with the times, gramps. nobody makes anything you buy to last, so why should you? charge as much as you can get away with and get it done so it lasts while you're there and then a bit more. you're there to make money. only pay attention to quality if you're doing something for yourself.

[Anonymous No.1927443]

>>1922901
I have to assume he was trying to spur a discussion on, not be condescended to.

[Anonymous No.1927483]

>>1926789
Quite genius.

[Anonymous No.1927492]

>>1922629
Based on the person. And for what.
My dad's general contracting commercial company did weird job that were harder than most, and had to have good carpenters. The issue is that everyone is fighting for money, so you subcontract to the dude with a decent reputation and best price.
Then when he fucks up you get to solve it.
Or the sub can fuck you over, and you get to get a new sub, or fix it yourself.

Residential is the true race to the bottom. I did some for my uncle, and did my best, but understood that my knowledge was limited and it ended up "alright".

[Anonymous No.1927521]

>>1923077
>scandinavia

We don't have much choice. We either have tons of snow on our roofs (East) or bad storms (West/North/South). The houses need to handle it.

[Anonymous No.1927598]

>>1924700
I just remodelled a condo with metal studs from the early 70s with no corrosion on them.

[Anonymous No.1927647]

>>1926860
I have steel construction shed with 3cm internal insulation plus thin OSB cover. Roof is steel as well, same 3cm insulation panels plus 4cm air gap over the OSB cover. Shit works like a charm, easy to heat when I work there in the winter and during the summer is not a furnace.

[Anonymous No.1927664]

Do you need any kind of licence or permissions to build houses there?
Blueprints and calculations about ventilation?

>>1927286
>>1927521
this, except the mold problem in public buildings but it's more about wrong usage than construction failure

[Anonymous No.1927669]

>>1924329
yo when that glass breaks, I hope the person who did that is around to huff the poison fumes it releases

[Anonymous No.1927755]

>>1924402
smart. also toxic, but smart.

[Anonymous No.1928013]

>>1924318
>In smaller communities that kind of cutting corners gets a builder a bad name and people will avoid buying homes built by them.
They just go "bankrupt" and turn into another development shell company to sucker more people.

[Anonymous No.1928016]

>>1926959
>Not-my-jobitus
I'll have to start using that more. That attitude of mediocrity is why people don't do good work in general, especially if something messes up or breaks. It wasn't their job to fix *that* particular problem, so looks like they can't do a damn thing about it.

[Anonymous No.1928028]

>>1928013
This. I was working in a neighborhood and got in the topic ofndriveways. The developer built everyone's drive way with a single set of rear. He would lay it down, get it inspected, then pick it up and move it to the next house and pour concrete at the 1st.

Everyone's driveway broke within 5 years but he already dissolved that corporation so no one could be held responsible

[Anonymous No.1929444]

>>1922629
over9000 hours in photoshop

[Anonymous No.1929593]

>>1922943
>There is no best. It all depends on local conditions.
so is it safe to say the country that builds OSB houses in hurricane areas has the worst? (at least of the first world ones)

[Anonymous No.1929653]

>>1923859
t. cookie cutter hone builder

[Anonymous No.1929670]

>>1929593
>build block/brick/cement houses
>they still get destroyed by hurricanes

>build reinforced concrete bunker
>it survives, but no knew can afford it, but do they want to live in it

[Anonymous No.1929698]

>>1929670
>just make your house out of paper mache, they'll be destroyed anyways
you really can't see a rebar reinforced concrete house standing a chance against a hurricane, because your OSB houses of cards will topple over?
your houses are shit because you look at your budget and see that you can pick between a proper "modest" house that is designed to withstand a hurricane or a three story palace that's built out of cheap garbage that can't withstand local winds

[Anonymous No.1929703]

>>1929593
The US also has concrete dome homes. It's all about cost effectiveness but apparently "country" is desperately important in aspergtard threads.

All those homes in picrel are insured and will be replaced by (very profitable) insurance companies. It's only money. In storm surge areas nothing survives unless it's built like a lighthouse but that's not cost effective. Homes are like yurts, thatch huts and teepees, expendable.

If you have the money literally nothing is stopping you from building a hardened aircraft shelter (magnificent things, I've many years fixing fighters in them, the ones in UAE at Al Dhafra have comfy living quarters and very large Caterpillar diesel generators built in) of your own but near zero people need those. Reinforced concrete with a steel spall liner with serves as the internal form is earthquake proof (the spall liner ensures no falling spall even if the concrete cracks), fireproof of course, and unless your neighbors have RPGs difficult to penetrate. (If they do, berm with Hesco at a useful standoff distance.

Bunkers can be quite nice but home buyers are heavily influenced by women and artfaggotry. You could build a fine bunker that's indistinguishable from a classic adobe home and the thermal mass would have the same attraction. A low parapet roof would make a fine sun deck and be defensible in SHTF. Your shutters could look like traditional wood but be made of AR 400 armor plate (steel isn't hard to work with even at a hobby level, all you need onsite is power and compressed air for your plasma cutter which some portable welding machines provide). Hinges could be fabbed with bronze bushings and grease zerks. I've studied bunkers as bunkers and to see what I might use in a build if my stickbuilt home is lost to disaster (though it's survived hurricanes and is not coastal) and their unesthetic (by effeminate standards) design is pragmatic but not mandatory.

[Anonymous No.1929704]

>>1929593
Idk, probably.
Don't they build like from cinder block in Florida and other hurricane areas?
>>1929670
I still wonder, what is stronger, stick or block.
Obviously RC is the strongest, but c'mon.

[Anonymous No.1929707]

>>1929698
Do you know what happens to a brick house during a hurricane? The roof gets torn off and the storm pisses down the hole. Congrats, when all is said and done you still have a ruined house but it cost more to build in the first place.

Also, you notice something missing in your photo? Think about it for a second. Where are the foundations? Shouldn't there be more steel-reinforced concrete pads? Where did they go? I'll give you three guesses.

[Anonymous No.1929726]

>>1929707
Roof needs to be strong then

[Anonymous No.1929727]

>>1929704
>I still wonder, what is stronger, stick or block.
There is nothing to wonder but your entire house must be designed as a SYSTEM. Block is stronger, but you can place rebar to connect the block then fill voids with concrete.
Shipping containers are rated to 180 MPH winds before deforming (not failing) so they survive typhoons at sea and the shell is a complete system easily worked with common tools. (Anyone who doesn't understand them thoroughly and is just some Bubba who only sees junk used to store junk, recuse thyself.) Put one inside a conventional structure and the only objection, esthetics, goes away. Military and industrial containers (and Andrew Camaratta's epic container castle) are worthy of emulation. If I were silly enough to live in an extreme hurricane bait location I'd do what I did with my shipping container shop and weld two 40' High Cubes together atop steel beams (welding is comfy work and beats schlepping concrete or block) but anchor it to vertical beams potted in concrete or (if I had big bucks or a dragline and patience) driven steel piles. Then I'd berm it at standoff distance so wind never got a straight shot at the walls or my outdoor possessions between berm and home. You can shotcrete containers too (I'd tack weld wire mesh to the shell then hit it with a modern marine coating if building for extreme weather in a saltwater location) before shotcrete application.
Elevating containers is also easy and if you live where storm surge is a threat can be done either with potted beams or by stacking the containers (2 wide x 2 high minimum for stability). Berming and precast concrete can deflect inbound surge.
There are many interesting precast concrete products including small buildings which can be used as modules for larger housing.

[Anonymous No.1929742]

>>1929707
well you should obviously not build some piece of shit American OSB roof with stapled shingles onto your properly built house

[Anonymous No.1929834]

>>1929707
>>1929742
>American roof
more like American OOF amirite?

[Anonymous No.1931991]

>>1924402
No. light two rooms with one lamp

[Anonymous No.1932043]

>>1922633
Timber framing is supposedly more energy efficient too. Probably because you have larger continuous sheets of insulation rather than breaks every 18” or 24”

[Anonymous No.1932079]

>>1929703
There are other things that handle hurricane winds, they get raised above the ground and stick with reinforced concrete. And round roof houses. And rectangular concrete homes. Then there are earth shelters. I bet that even the conventional looking round houses and reinforced concrete homes don't get built because they're not standard and cost extra. Even though they really should be.

[Anonymous No.1933031]

>>1922629
>Why is American construction so fucking trash?
building and selling houses out of cheap materials with cheap, low skilled labor has a much higher profit margin, so contractors have convinced people that building proper houses is a waste of money.
other first world countries generally don't have this problem because regulation at least tries to force them to build decent houses that hold up to the elements and general usage

[Anonymous No.1933114]

>>1922947
>Germany
Used to be. The houses built in the 60's and 70's were pretty solid, now we are building foam covered plywood boxes for muh environment.

[Anonymous No.1933171]

construction is trash because of a number of things.

You want houses up fast before the neighbors realize that their suburb is turning into a small city. Everyone at every stage of the project is looking to save money and increase productivity.

Truth be told,We just don't have smart, capable people making these houses anymore- The brain drain hit these industries hard. Not a lot of smart people go into the trades- why would they? it's not a ticket into the middle class like it used to be. Those with potential that do generally focus on smaller projects/renovations or get poached by some sort of manufacturing outfit. The trades have almost purely become a job for immigrants, alcoholics and the perpetually divorced.

[Anonymous No.1933184]

>>1933114
Depends, foam covered brick/concrete houses are still rather popular.

[Anonymous No.1933217]

>>1933171
I’m not an alcoholic but I would be if I had the courage. I’m not an immigrant. And I would be perpetually divorced if I could even find a woman to marry me the first time.

I’m just a dropout loser retard who couldn’t get a better paying job with the experience and lack of credentials I have.

[Anonymous No.1933224]

>>1922901
Fair assessment.

[Anonymous No.1934197]

>>1929707
Not with roofs like this. My parents don't even live in a stormy area, and have a rebar reinforced roof. I have to note that it's not typical either, they chose it for the longevity and the insulating capabilities.

[Anonymous No.1934744]

>>1922629
americans dont construct anything, we hire niggers and spics to do it, materials are from jews. thats why it's all shit.

[Anonymous No.1934916]

>>1922629
Many American home contractors are actually money laundering fronts for organized crime. They charge their customers so much money and build so cheaply because most people work 9a-5p jobs away from home and are otherwise ignorant.

[Anonymous No.1936665]

>>1929670
>but no knew can afford it

exept even poor south east Europeans can. they have quakes so they use Hollow brick which also insulates and reinforce it with reinforced beams,

here in Germany where there are no quakes only a small RC beam runs around every storey. or the corner bricks have horizontal voids in them which get filled with concrete.

[Anonymous No.1936667]

>>1936665
just look how strong this construction is the whole house just tipped and stayed completely intact. you can probably tilt it back.
a better foundation would have saved it completely.

[Anonymous No.1936673]

>>1936665
> they have quakes so they use Hollow brick
Yes, to run rebars that will go from bottom concrete to the top concrete beam/floor/thing.
>which also insulates
It insulates fuck all. Your typical 15 cm brick is equivalent to 2 cm of styrofoam/fiberglass. This is not acceptable if you're going to have any sort of climatic setup like aircon or heating, because you'd be heating the street.

I mean, you can build earthquake-resistant brick shithole, but why? Even spics can (Chile, etc.) But why? Steel studs exist. Wood exists. Both save time and money when you run electrical and plumbing. Brick is deprecated material. Like there is no reason to build new house out of brick. Yeah, you may use it for idk, exterior for nice looks. But for structure...
If you like bricks so fucking much, cinder block (which is kinda reinforced concrete if you think about it) and aerated concrete block exist.

Also, most modern structural brickwork looks like shit and gives third world vibes (your pic), so you will cover it with some sort of exterior shit to make it look nice... At which point you could have used OSB + sticks...
>here in Germany where there are no quakes only a small RC beam runs around every storey.
Well, you see this even in seismic zones, because brick hates side-to-side load.

[Anonymous No.1936681]

>>1936673
>It insulates fuck all
nope it does not require external insulation at all and conforms to German insulation standards.

have fun breathing mouldy fibreglass and inhaling brominated flame retardants.

[Anonymous No.1936685]

>>1936681
>nope it does not require external insulation at all and conforms to German insulation standards.
Really?
Show me the R-value or whatever value of that brick. Also, this is not classical 15cm wide one, this is fucking 50cm beast by looks of it.
>have fun breathing mouldy fibreglass and inhaling brominated flame retardants.
They are hidden behind the drywall in case of stud framing, or it is EPS or rockwool under some cementicious-acrylic finish outside.

[Anonymous No.1936694]

Homes are viewed as an investment and the average american moves every 7 years. There's no real reason to use higher quality materials so they use cheap utility grade lumber, OSB and cheap vinyl siding.

[Anonymous No.1936697]

>>1927443
I'd assume if he wanted to start an actual discussion without being condenscended to, he wouldn't have been condescending to Americans.

Also, a ton of American construction is done by Mexicans now...so make of that what you will.

[Anonymous No.1936704]

>>1936685
>>1936681

Ok fäg, I reverse'searched that brick image, got this: https://www.cemacon.ro/produse/gama-evoceramic/zidarie-portanta-exterioara-si-interioara/44-vb/
44 cm wide
4.055 m^2 k /W
Which is equivalent to 14 cm of EPS foam, a decent one, not 10kg/m^3 one, which is actually nice and pretty good insulation for places where in never gets below -10 C.
But man this wall is thick. If you were to build a stick house, you would save like 30 cm from each wall, which is significant.
44cm Brick without insulation is 2,34 m^2 K/w which is the same R-value as 10 cm of EPS foam. Fiberglass. Rockwool... They all have +/- the same R-value.

You just confirmed what I've said. Brick is a shit insulator. You need like 40 cm wall to get decent insulation, while in stud construction - 2x6 (50x150) will give you the same performance, and will give you ability to run wires like a white man without tonns of cancerous ceramic dust in the air.

Brick is like a shitter from a gold, looks expensive, but function is the same as cheap builder-grade loo from ceramic.

[Anonymous No.1936772]

>>1936704
my pic is a wienerberger its 30cm wide and filled with perlite so no cancerous ceramic dust.
0,08 W/mK

[Anonymous No.1936786]

>>1922629
HISTORIC AMERICAN TIMBER JOINERY: A Graphic Guide
https://www.ncptt.nps.gov/wp-content/uploads/2004-08.pdf

contains all info to build traditional new england timber joinery

[Anonymous No.1936788]

>>1936772
>and filled with perlite so no cancerous ceramic dust.
Brick is actually a ceramic of sort.
Even drilling into brick produces that impossible to remove red dust everywhere.
Drilling a hole in metal stud or wood (or even OSB) produces way less dust, and you don't need to cut 9000 km long channels in the walls, because walls are empty.
>0,08 W/mK
This is twice as much as even shittiest fiberglass or EPS.
So yeah 30 cm make sense.

[Anonymous No.1937176]

>>1936788
what about sound dampening abilities? for sound absorption you need mass you wont get that with sick and plywood.

fire resistance is another week point in stick build.

wires are a cry once and never worry about again story. wires don't go bad.

and metal stud has like 30 W/mk so you need external insulation.

[Anonymous No.1937237]

>>1937176
>what about sound dampening abilities? for sound absorption you need mass you wont get that with sick and plywood.
Air sealing and insulation will absorb sound. Nobody does that on internal walls tho.
>fire resistance is another week point in stick build.
How often do you set your house of fire? Do you really want to live in fire damage house with questionable structural integrity after fire?
If fire is a concern - metal stud with cementicious board, rockwool and double drywall is good enough.
>wires are a cry once and never worry about again story. wires don't go bad.
They do go bad. I've been renovating 1960 flat, and insulation of wires was brittle as fuck and flaking off. Like I won't trust them for shit. A real fire hazard.
>and metal stud has like 30 W/mk so you need external insulation.
They make pic related which is just as good as wood.
Also, you don't need much exterior insulation to make it as good as wood, just 1 inch of EPS foam would do.

[Anonymous No.1937254]

>>1937237
Also, steel is strong, nothing prevents you from building thinner wall (let's say 40x90 mm) and adding insulation on the exterior. This would be fantastic.

[Anonymous No.1937291]

>>1922629
Hello, im new to /diy/. Ive played with legos before, surely the best way of building a house in the current day is stick some steel beams about a meter down, glue them in with concrete and attach other steel beams to the posts.
Then simply attach your waterproof outer layer of brick/concrete/wood, place at least 50cm of fibreglass areogel (pick cheapest) and seperate that from the interiror with a bit of drywall.

is this idea expensive? The insulation might reduce floor space on expensive land i suppose.

[Anonymous No.1937328]

in real life it doesnt appear that anyone actually has any issue with the way houses are built in burgerstan, ive literally only ever seen this meme perpetuated on 4chan

[Anonymous No.1937350]

>>1937328
This is not true. If you were to watch, idk, Russian building channels, you will see following shit-throwing:
>muh mice in american stickshit
>muh brick doesn't insulate for shit
>muh bouncy floor pour concrete because we literally can't fucking read american/canadian/russian codes and actually place joists every 40-60 cm, not every fucking meter.
>muh ytong is pressed dust and would crack if you look at it
>muh mineral wool cancer and absorbs water and rots your timbers use styrofoam
>muh styrofoam burns use mineral wool
>muh log cabin is the best
>muh steel framing looks like beefed up drywall studs so it is shit
>muh SIP panels have phenol in them
>i waste over 9000 m^3 of gas every winter, and pay 1 rupee, who cares, insulation is a bloat, brick is the best
>pier foundation on fucking swamp is fine
>HVAC? Boiler and radiators, I don't need ventilation in tight-as-fuck house.
etc.
So no, this is not 4chan exclusive.

[Anonymous No.1937363]

>>1937328
That IS the only place. Autists should be gassed. Mass slaughter of the mentally defective would greatly improve the world.