civilization from scratch wiki

[Anonymous No.1797543]

I just came up with an idea.
The civilization from scratch wiki.
We'd start the wiki with how to extract metals all the way to building complex machinery.
That way if civilization ever ends we won't enter a new dark age.

[Anonymous No.1797607]

>>1797543
That's a fucking cool idea I always wished being able to make a computer from mud and dirt.


For computers, we could make something like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRdLlaUmmpM .
Breadboard computers can be hand built and easily modified, though you still need all the chips for it to work.

Though if society collapses we would have plenty of those.

Also it's worth mentioning the projects postMarketOS (anti-obsolescence full-linux distro for smartphones that aims to increase the lifetime of smartphones) and collapseOS (operating system thought to run ony microcontrollers in case society collapses).

[Anonymous No.1797608]

>>1797543
oh you mean like the primitive technology channel on youtube.

[Anonymous No.1797611]

bump for neat idea

[Anonymous No.1797612]

>>1797543
So you're basically talking about a DIY wiki for literally every technology?
For basic shit like blacksmithing and home construction, that's going to be easy.
For advanced topics like Pharmaceuticals and bioengineering, you're going to have a difficult time developing a linear progression.

[Anonymous No.1797631]

>>1797543
I like this idea. First step would be to create the categories for research and then split into to teams to gather information. Basically make a tech tree like in a video game but more thorough and for real life.

[Anonymous No.1797633]

You should start a discord or slack channel and advertise this idea! Get people from every corner of human wisdom. I like the idea.

[Anonymous No.1797636]

>>1797543

If one had money, they could buy a small library's worth of engineering books (chemical, mining, construction, mechanical, etc.) and ask some engineering company to design and make documentation for some machines, power boilers etc.

You could get the best results if you used current know-how to design and document simplified products that would be easy to build in a scenario where the society has collapsed.

[Anonymous No.1797637]

There's already something like that, it's got tons of plans for DIY machinery and tools to bootstrap a civilization. Can't remember what it's called though, but the focus is on building from scratch industrial type tools for farming and manufacture but with simple hand tools and like concrete and iron scrap.
There were plans for wood gas generators I think and like a tractor and all sorts of attachments for it to perform various tasks an basic machine tools, that sort of shit.

[Anonymous No.1797638]

>>1797637
Global Village Construction Set, that's what I was thinking of.
https://www.opensourceecology.org/

[Anonymous No.1797653]

>>1797607
well I don't know about creating microchips but you could make a computer with a shitload of transistors.

[Anonymous No.1797657]

>>1797653

I realize this thread is a retarded LARPfest, but if society collapses like you guys are saying, you are not going to have bushels of transistors or any of the other components to make your 8 bit pile of trash.

[Anonymous No.1797679]

>>1797543
>civilization
>complex machinery

Complex society is barbarity.

[Anonymous No.1797829]

>>1797657
Well anon, it seems like >>1797679 is your only chance then.

[Anonymous No.1797846]

>>1797543
Hallo Juergen, das wuerde mich auch interessieren.
LG Benni.

[Anonymous No.1797871]

>>1797543
If civilization collapses, how will people access your wiki? Honest question.

[Anonymous No.1797881]

>putting the information on a wiki
>not injection molding it onto non biodegradable plastics and then making millions of copies and littering them everywhere

If you could get simple recipes onto straws or plastic bags, people would litter them in so many places that it would be impossible for the knowledge to go extinct.

[Anonymous No.1797884]

Annon... You don't have a portal to another world? ... Do you?

[Anonymous No.1797890]

>>1797871
The best part of it all is civilization IS collapsed all over the place. People act like everyone is on the same level of development. We very much are not. That are places with dirt roads, no power, no landlines, no sewage treatment, nothing, in the middle of the USA! You don't have to go to Somalia or Afganistan for that. They get along okay. It is a cheap way to live. If the banks implode or the economy goes to shit or Trump does something retarded it won't affect these people. Civilization is INFRASTRUCTURE. And most of that infrastructure ain't that complex. Roads and clean water and power can all be run without too much difficulty. Shit son, the Roman's had 2/3rds of that shit 2,000 years ago. Knowing how to get dropped in the forest and build a mud hut ain't going to matter. It's not like all of the shit we already built is gonna just go away.

What exactly is going to come along and rip up all the infrastructure in all of the developed nations of the world and leave you alive to do something about it? Now, where are you going to get the manpower to rebuild it all? Cause that is what we are really talking about here. Not a fucking manual, but people. How are you going to find them all, organize them all, PAY THEM all once civilization has fallen?

Of you could just build a 'fuck off' hut in the boons, put some solar panels on it, and download a bunch of porn and movies onto a laptop and rid the end times out like an actual browser of 4Chan would.

[Anonymous No.1797920]

I read of either a story mentioning it, or an actual planned project, of a satellite orbiting earth constantly beaming down libraries of info encoded in multiple layers in different languages. In theory, post apocalypse, you'd pick up a voice audio transmission with something as simple as an AM crystal radio (look up foxhole radio to see how simple it could be) which would give you instructions to then build/decode the next layer of data using scraps of electronics you scavenge from anywhere, recording fast audio then replaying slowly, eventually building a simple fax receiver to then get info to move eventually to slow scan tv or packet radio reception with computer, and so on.
It would also include information on medicine, other tech, reception methods for any surviving weather sats or such.
The idea being that as long as you could pick up the first broadcast, over time you'd be receiving broadcasts of everything needed to rebuild civilization to near current levels within a few years as well as copies of existing books, art, music, etc considered important.

[Anonymous No.1797922]

>>1797920
Don't satellites eventually break down/crash?

[Anonymous No.1797932]

>>1797890
>what exactly is gonna whipe out the infrastructure and leave you alive?
You got it backwards. Collapse of the bronze age started with a resource shortage and left the infrastructure and not enough people or knowledge. Infrastructure later collapsed because limited resources > less taxes > shutting down services > no need to train replacements > knowledge lost > no upkeep (+ minimum security) > unused materials get used for shack building

>How will you pay them?
Probly put them on a social credit system where we keep notarized records of their account and labor that they can redeem at the bar or wherever.
This is all backed by promisery notes that can be redeemed at banks and funded by future pillaging conquests. Worked for the Nazis anyway, kinda. I mean if the goal is to rebuild from a failed economy than at least that part worked. Post ass kicking, if everyone else rises up against me, then we move to a social credit system where we keep notarized records of their account but this time on their system. We back it up with promises of hope and change.

[Anonymous No.1797940]

>>1797871
With paper.
People would download the entire database and print it.
Simple.
Btw did you guys know you can make phosphorus with your piss?
You can then use that phosphorus to make fire.
I think that'll be my first article.

[Anonymous No.1797943]

>>1797608
would love for someone to try to rebuild civilization from scratch and not just larp all day in a certain period. nothing wrong with using any knowledge, just can't start with any tools

[Anonymous No.1797952]

>>1797890
>How are you going to find them all, organize them all, PAY THEM all once civilization has fallen?


Once civilization has fallen, the wage/payment system is pretty much gone.
Assuming total collapse of everything (as in, for some reason most stockpiles of resources are just gone, no nice housing left over with an AC system that'll last 10+ years and some solar panels to start you on your energy comfyness)

It's: Participate as part of the tribe, reap the rewards of the tribe (that is, reap rewards of division of labor). Don't participate, get kicked out or killed.

Morals you can talk about in your comfy, AC temp controlled home pretty much go out the window, except for ensuring greatest chance of survival.

Humans aren't solitary creatures; we need socialization. And its a lot easier to do things together than alone.

So when you run into people, tell them you want to build a community; they're in or their out.

If everyone is out, everyone pretty much goes crazy and dies, or eventually falls to a bigger tribe. You don't want to be the dude with his wife caught by a tribe of 50 men.

So, people will naturally form communities. People will generally rotate to learn all major task work; food production, tool and weapon creation, shelter. Possibly defenses if it gets mad-maxxish. Natural leadership emerges; division of labor takes place. Some people better at gardening, others are master builders. Contribute your share to the community, get protection/shelter/socialization/food. Socialistic at first, probably, with sub-100 tribe size.Eventually, something will become currency, as more things get built, and people want to trade individually instead of as a group. Governing group (or more likely, individual) will implement a tax system, to pay for what needs to be done. And society starts.
And of course alcohol creation. The last human on earth, right before they die, will be drinking a bottle of whatever alcohol they can get their hand on before expiring.

[Anonymous No.1797979]

if it all goes to shit how are we going to acces it? wouldn't the internet be down? let's say you save it as a copy on a hard drive or something. how big would that be? i mean just consider all the pics you would need. also if the power goes out, well shit. a hard copy is not really an option either. let's say the world doesn't go to shit. where would you host this immense project? (not bitching, legit questions)

[Anonymous No.1798011]

>>1797979
You don't really need that much storage space. All of English wikipedia in text form is about 28 gigabytes and with images is 162 gigabytes. All the information you need could be condensed into a dozen or a few dozen manuals with a few tens of thousands of images. Power is not an issue since there are enough batteries and solar panels in the world to power a laptop or whatever to read it on. Could also be have printed versions.

[Anonymous No.1798017]

But how would this wiki be accessible after a civilization ending apocalypse?

[Anonymous No.1798019]

>>1797979
maybe we could come up with a new diy storage system.
Maybe making cassettes would be easier than making a hard drive from scratch.
And that cassette could be read by a diy lcd screen.
Also for transistors we could use the old germanium transistors instead of the more complex silicone transistors.
Transistors wouldn't be easy to make though and I don't even know if it'd be possible to make lcd screens.
In a post societal collapse there would still be left over chips from old electronics but this is also a sort of thought experiment really.

[Anonymous No.1798153]

>>1797543
Sounds great

[Anonymous No.1798155]

>>1798019
One option would to print it with a laser on transparency sheets.
Those will last for decades (toner is essentially plastic melted on the paper)
Using something like http://ollydbg.de/Paperbak/, you could store around 3MB per sheet.

[Anonymous No.1798187]

how have none of you fucks ever heard of books

[Anonymous No.1798199]

>>1798187
This guy is right. A book is about 1MB worth of text.
according to >>1798011 , Wikipedia's text could fit in 30 000 books, which could fill a 2m by 8m bookshelf. Even when accounting for the images, Wikipedia can fit in a relativelly small library

[Anonymous No.1798227]

>>1798187
>>1798199

You can not instantly access any book in a library, nor can you search text. Also you can't easily copy a book. let alone a library.

Imagine that.

>You need to know how to make a cake.
>You search for books under "C" for "Cooking".
>You find 2 books, "Cooking principles", "Cooking weird shit"
>Look at the appendix of both
>Lots of useless information, not relative to cakes
>Cakes not even mentioned once
>Look for a book named "Desserts"
>Find it
>Look at appendix
>How to make cakes

Yeah, you found it, nice job. But you lost half a day just for that. For more complex stuff you need a PC and that's it.

Mediawiki can run on a PC with 25 MB of RAM. You can install ElasticSearch on it and you just type "Cake" in it.

You get 5 8-bit computers in a room, with a switch connected to the server running mediawiki.

Now you have a decent library.

[Anonymous No.1798253]

There is this guy on youtube who runs the "how to make everything" channel. It is exactly what you want to do (but carried by a single person)

[Anonymous No.1798286]

>>1797922
Newer generation satellites are equipped with ion thrusters to ensure they remain in orbit. It all depends on how much gas you pack them with. Theoretically they can remain in orbit for up to 1500 years.

[Anonymous No.1798314]

>>1797890
Nah. Some US hick in Bumfuck Nowhere still benefits from democracy, access to healthcare (even if they have to make a long journey to access it), the banking and welfare systems (ditto), they can sleep at night assured that the Chinks or Russians or arabs aren't going to invade, if they have a GPS or cellphone they can use the convenient network of overhead satellites for navigation and communication. An individual being isolated or not fully included in the very forefront of technology isn't the same thing as societal collapse. Or does a single bum sleeping rough in Silicon Valley negate all the research and progress happening around them?

[Anonymous No.1798319]

>>1797940
>with paper

Doesn't sound exactly foolproof to me, anon.

But if we're thinking of it that way, don't we already have paper based technological knowledge collated and duplicated as a hedge against loss or destruction? They're called books.

[Anonymous No.1798320]

>>1798187
"Dude, imagine, what if we printed Wikipedia onto paper and bound it into several volumes, bear with me here, possibly organised alphabetically or by subject matter? Do you think that could possibly work? Dude?"

Fucking zoomers, I tell you

[Anonymous No.1798321]

>>1798227
I think you completely underestimate how useful proper indexing systems are and grossly overestimate how long manually retrieving information takes

[Anonymous No.1798331]

>>1797612

That's why we need YOUR help, anon! Start contributing, TODAY!

[Anonymous No.1798361]

okay I made the wiki.
Its just acting retarded and saying it doesn't have LocalSettings.php when it does.
Don't start without me.
Let's do this.
http://34.68.40.68/wiki/

[Anonymous No.1798377]

>>1797943
>not just larp all day in a certain period
I've only seen a couple of his videos but if I remember correctly he's gotten himself up to the iron age, and didn't start with tools.

[Anonymous No.1798381]

>>1798314
>Implying people in the boonies have cars
>implying people in the boonies have money for medical care
>implying you've ever taken the time to see how "flyover country" actually lives

[Anonymous No.1798435]

>>1798314
Be in the 90's I worked for an outreach agency in East Texas. I once went to a property in the boons that had no indoor plumbing, no power, no services of any kind. They were a 3-hour drive in a 4x4 from the nearest paved road. They had a graveyard on the property and almost every person in the family that had died since they moved there before the Civil War was buried there. Every person living there had been born on the property. They were very nice people. Very polite, very ignorant. Not in the dumb asshole way, just the 'never went to school' way. They learned to read from the Bible and knew basic math. They were ranchers and farmers. If a tractor broke they could fix it with what was on hand but ask them to calculate an interest rate on a loan and that was out of their bailiwick. Town trips were a once a quarter deal were they bought fuel, some food staples, and other medical supplies. They weren't poor but they lived frugally. Despite being ranchers and knowing 'how cows are made' they thought that babies were 'gifts from God'. IE they did not know that sex makes babies. While the family was quite large, with upwards of 40 individuals living on the property in several houses, there was not a whole lot of variance in the gene pool. While no one was doing the full Alabama thing where people were their own grandpas just about everyone there was 'a cousin'; of everyone else. Let me tell you there were quite a lot of red faces when we explained what would happen if they kept that up.

So, yeah, they had some interaction with civilization but if they didn't have to pay taxes anymore and found a way to make their own fuel they would basically be self-sustaining. Well, until the kids started looking like that banjo dude from Deliverance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vzIebtFshk

[Anonymous No.1798440]

>>1798435
>They were a 3-hour drive in a 4x4 from the nearest paved road.
Wut. I read somewhere that the furthest spot from any road was 12km, in America. And that was in Alaska. In the lower 48 it's probably less. 3 hours offroading is gonna get you way further than that.

[Anonymous No.1798453]

>>1798440
They are on a road, its just an unpaved road you need a 4x4 to drive the length of. You'd be surprised how little distance you can cover in 3 hours on bad roads.

[Anonymous No.1798465]

>>1797543
Watch and/or read Dr Stone. It's all about this.

[Anonymous No.1798477]

>>1798440
>furthest spot from any road
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42104894

[Anonymous No.1798912]

>>1797940
>With paper
Clay tablet is a proven technology and has withstood millennia.

[Anonymous No.1798935]

>>1797543
You may find this helpful,

>shit ton of old books on just about every subject related to civilization and rebuilding it,
http://www.survivorlibrary.com/library-download

>The Knowledge: How to Rebuild our World from Scratch (EPUB file)
https://b-ok.cc/book/2335097/9b62d7

[Anonymous No.1798939]

>>1797657
You can make logic gates from liquids,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluidics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MONIAC_Computer

[Anonymous No.1798941]

>>1797940
>>1798912
>>1798319
>>1797871
You could print it on the Moon. Specifically, send up a swarm of drones to bulldoze the info into the lunar surface. Make it so that the most pertinent info is the largest and easily seen with the naked eye (how to make an extremely simple telescope from scratch, how to clean/filter/sanitize water. etc) With other info at a smaller scale to be seen with said telescope. You can have a non-verbal communication method anyone could see and understand for those telescope building instructions. Then the next info would be teaching who ever is looking at the information how to read the information (in case the language is lost somehow). After that, it is off to the races with what you can have written across the lunarscape in massive script and diagrams.

Just remember there is a hard limit to how small you'd make the letters. Because, even the most powerful Earth-based telescope can't resolve well enough for good details on the moon. You may also need to have duplicates of info to ensure no one asteroid could wipe out a large section (doubtful that'd happen since that kind of unstable orbit rocks are long long gone now.)

You could also place vaults on the Moon with extra info and history.

>>1798465
It is also shit.

[Anonymous No.1799107]

>>1798941
It is possible, yet, even if you did print anything in the moon, you would eventually end up with nothing due to asteroid impacts.
I honestly think that if there is a place where you could have something to rebuild civilization once it fell, in deep space, without the sun and without the orbits of comets you honestly get even higher results. But it couldnt be dependent on energy.
The earth in a couple millenia would churn everything you put on the top of it, and the moon is shot by comets and asteroids pretty frequently.

[Anonymous No.1799136]

>>1799107
>asteroid impacts.
The ones that hit now would be too small to be of any real threat to things written on the moon where you could still read it with a telescope. I'm talking like letters several miles wide in some cases. The last impact I remember was during the 2019 January eclipse. It only made a 50 feet diameter crater. Most everything that hits it is pretty small, but there is a lot of it every day, something like 2,500-3,000kg and is mostly hail-sized. It would take tens to hundreds of millions of years to wipe out such writing, unless there was some real bad luck.

[Anonymous No.1799390]

>>1798941
>Make it so that the most pertinent info is the largest and easily seen with the naked eye (how to make an extremely simple telescope from scratch,
I doubt you can have more than a few letters that would be visible with the naked eye

[Anonymous No.1799391]

You’d want to start with Murdercube. There’s a Wayback archive of it linked on /k/‘s wiki

[Anonymous No.1799416]

>>1797952
this was written by a woman

[Anonymous No.1799450]

>>1798465
or that time i was reincarnated as a slime

[Anonymous No.1799451]

There are already tons of books that would cover at least parts of your objective. Rather than a wiki, I think that a pastebin with the references to these books would already be more than enough.
I can think of the Encyclopedia of Practical Receipts and Processes, W.B.Dick, 1903 and la Maison Rustique du XIX° Siècle (rustic house of the 19th century), M.C.Bailly, 1837-1844 (in french, but very comprehensive)

[Anonymous No.1799490]

>>1799390
Telescope making instructions wouldn't be letters. It'd be pictorial, so that anyone very intelligent could figure it out understand. You simply couldn't have printed instructions because that would never fit.

[Anonymous No.1799498]

>>1799451
>Encyclopedia of Practical Receipts and Processes (81.5MB PDF)
https://b-ok.cc/book/5418463/fbdf49

>La maison rustique publisher
I can only find two on here, but not really on topic,
>Les plantes grasses autres que les cactées. 1935 (PDF 4.89MB)
https://b-ok.cc/book/2373048/ed8922

>Confitures, gelees et chutneys 1998 (PDF 47.23MB)
https://b-ok.cc/book/1153109/2d05ee

I found this one to be interesting,
>Histoire contemporaine depuis le milieu du XIXᵉ siècle jusqu’à 1939 [Contemporary history from the mid-nineteenth century until 1939] (DJVU 21.67MB)
https://b-ok.cc/book/2042469/d80943

>M.C.Bailly, 1837-1844
I can only find scant info about any of their published works and that's only for agronomists and meteorologist books which there are no downloads I can find.

[Anonymous No.1799558]

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[Anonymous No.1799572]

>>1797543
All that stuff is already available in books.
The bonus is that books don't need electricity to function. If society went to shit, it would take burning all the libraries and private collections to lose that information for any significant period of time.

>>1798227
Brainlet. That's not how libraries have ever worked. Indexing is more sophisticated than that. You also vastly overestimate the time cost. The process you describe takes maybe 30 minutes tops. Far from half a day.

>>1797657
Yeah you will. There are landfills full of that shit. It's a cottage industry in Africa to harvest old electronic components from waste that rich countries dump there. Sometimes when I've got nothing to do on a Sunday I go to the junk section in a thrift store, buy some old electronic device and tear it apart for components. Landfills are full of that shit. Hell, houses are full of shitty old unused appliances that can be torn down for components. I was using a 7 segment that I pulled from a dead humidifier today.

[Anonymous No.1799585]

>>1799572
>Sometimes when I've got nothing to do on a Sunday I go to the junk section in a thrift store, buy some old electronic device and tear it apart for components.
I did that all the time when learning electronics and repair. I have boxes full of stuff I've harvested and use it for little projects here and there.

[Anonymous No.1799647]

>>1799498
I was thinking of that "maison rustique" :
vol. 1 : https://archive.org/details/maisonrustiquedu01bail/page/n8/mode/2up
vol 3 : https://archive.org/details/maisonrustiqued00malpgoog/page/n12/mode/2up
vol 5 : https://archive.org/details/bub_gb_Tiy3Xmy7CSEC/page/n6/mode/2up
For some reason, I can't find the volumes 2 and 4, even though I'm pretty sure that it is where I downloaded them.
M.C.Bailly was an agronomist and one of the main participants in the writing of the Maison Rustique du XIX° s

[Anonymous No.1799653]

>>1799647
>can't find the volumes 2 and 4
https://archive.org/details/maisonrustiquedu02bail
https://archive.org/details/maisonrustiquedu04bail

[Anonymous No.1800268]

>>1799653
Thanks

[Anonymous No.1800300]

>>1797543
Super idea, so super it has a kryptonite.
You can't look at a wiki if the internet isn't working.
It's best to have a wiki that can fit on an external hard drive, so that all you have to do is generate enough electricity to run a pc/laptop/smartphone/jailbroken ps3 with the hard drive hooked up And while that is somewhat complicated, it is also fairly trivial if you have some sort of battery to save the charge up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQAbjVUMcCc&list=PLdO3Wk-XPC_CtUfvB1-c2oejDDCFLLRae
Basically the Wiki should focus on technology of the highest priority.
>Composting/Gardening/Livestock/Cultivating Yeast/Water Purification and Distillation/Not Eating Poisonous Mushrooms/Basic Survival Shit
>Making basic tools/equipment/materials (accurate gears, grinder, smithing furnace, ropes, chains, wires(copper/aluminum in particular), knifes, pencils/pens and paper, hammer, saw, nails, screws, bolts, vice, pulley, wheel, pottery, glass, concrete, lumber(2x4s and all that), fencing, engine fuel of some sort, and that's about all I can think of right now)
>Making more complex appliances (refrigerator, oven, HVAC, plumbing, electrical generation & storage and distribution, vehicles)
>Structural/Mechanical Engineering (can't have those shelters/bridges/vehicles collapsing on you)
>Equipment for accurate measuring (Thermometer, Ph testing, humidity, spectrometry, hygrometer, straight edge, leveler, compass, protractor, ect.)
>Medical stuff (penicillin, sterilization, X-rays, microscopes, vaccine manufacturing, anesthetic, proper diagnosis, dentist equipment, storing blood, ect.)
>Getting up to at least a 16-bit computer
I don't think an 8-bit computer is very viable for any precise and complex instructions, seeing as it can only hold up to 256 instructions/vairiables, and those variables can only be between 0 and 255.
Also, cloud computing with 8-bit computers sounds like a nightmare.
There's more stuff that's necessary, but post length.

[Anonymous No.1800315]

You guys are getting way too hung up on the format. If someone wanted to take this project seriously then the logical thing to do would be to have it available in as many formats as possible, with as many copies as possible, to ensure long term availability. I guarantee you that there used to be a lot more documents written by ancientfags in the middle east than what we were able to recover in little scraps from caves in the dead sea.

So put it on flash drives, put it in books, etch it onto steel tablets, nuke it onto the moon, tattoo it onto children's arms, whatever it takes. What matters is the content.

[Anonymous No.1800319]

>>1800300
My desktop PC is a Raspberry Pi 4B with 4GB of RAM. It runs on 15watts (5.1V 3A wall adapter). I have an adapter so I can go from the micro HDMI to HDMI Type-A and VGA. Though, you can also just get one of the many small screens for it, if all you need is some text and general media without the need for a massive screen. Then you'd not need to power an extra screen since the little ones are powered by the Rpi itself.

The nice thing is that really small power requirement. I can MacGyver up just about any power generation method to work with it. Since you can install a desktop on it, it isn't too different from a Windows desktop PC.

Storage is another matter. If you want large bulk storage you can use SSD or HDDs, but they need their own power source. Otherwise, you just use USB thumbdrives and of course the SD card the Rpi uses for the OS. Which are cheap and plentiful while not requiring an extra power source. I think you can get 1TB and 2TB thumbdrives now.

You can also make a mesh network with Rpi. That can be Rpi Zero W(pic), which is the cheap wifi version people use for making headless servers and such.

>>1800315
Don't forget oral history. There are many sayings, stories, idioms, and songs that people know today that carry info from the past with them.

>little scraps from caves in the dead sea
Taken from oral history too.

[Anonymous No.1800349]

>>1797543
Might as well skip most of the metals, they're weak and heavy and we know better than to think they have value at this point. Proceed straight through chemistry to polymer chains, plastics, and fiber reinforcements, which can be worked out without about 99% of all the metals research wasted in the mean time.

[Anonymous No.1800352]

>>1797543
You could easily just wrap that up with a book on basic agriculture and carefully mutating smallpox.

[Anonymous No.1800388]

>>1797890
Easy easy anon! This is such a loaded rant! Have you lost trust in letting the future construct itself as it will or can? Also, me thinks, investing in offline longterm archival of information on all vital disciplines is a great step in the right detection.

[Anonymous No.1800396]

>>1800352
I don't get the joke with smallpox. Can someone explain?

[Anonymous No.1800404]

>>1797890
Easy easy anon! This is such a loaded rant! Have you lost trust in letting the future construct itself as it will or can? Also, me thinks, investing in offline longterm archival of information on all vital disciplines is a great step in the right detection.
>>1798017
Could using a network developed from chaining micro networks such as in home IoT applications or even leveraging capabilities native to smartphones not enable a post-apocalyptic WAN or some smaller version of the internet?

[Anonymous No.1800642]

>>1797543
I think a good start would be Open Source Hardware. Printing the blueprints of washers, fridges, lawn mowers, etc. Something I'd love to see someday is an appliance company that produces items that are meant to be fixed DIY. This means selling parts at reasonable cost for appliances for appliances that aren't unnecessarily complex.

[Anonymous No.1800644]

>>1800349
Where are we going to get petroleum for plastics manufacturing? A related question is where do we find the energy to sustain ourselves? Sure we'll need much less energy post collapse but extracting oil is an intensive process. Maybe we should look to corn as a substitute while we rebuild the infrastructure necessary for, say, fracking?

[Anonymous No.1800666]

>>1800644
Google "bioplastics".

[Anonymous No.1800671]

Many years ago, after playing the game Civilization 3 and looking at the tech tree I had an idea for making a book called: To Build a Civilization.

The idea is basically starting from nothing to build up to modern technology as quickly and efficiently as possible. The books would be long and detailed, containing raw information tables and an example starting civilization for readability.

Though the book didn't get very far I still have some of the research.
Here is a minor example of how to cut giant stones, like in the Pyramids:

>The History Channel (Modern Marvels: Bible Technology)

>The Jews learned a technique of cutting limestone from the Egyptians. First off all Limestone naturally is formed in layers. So it isn't as hard as it looks.

Steps:

1 cut an L shape in the rock with a chisel
2 put a piece of wood (Dried) tight in the openings
3 pour water on the wood
3b Expansion occurs and the stone is free.
4 Then smoothing and polishing is done.

[Anonymous No.1800676]

>>1800671
Now that I've read the thread more I should add a few things.

First off my idea had nothing to do with a collapsed society. It is a guide if someone threw a large group of naked people onto an empty earth like planet and just gave them this one book.

One of the hard things about the book is what to ignore. For example there are a lot of different types of battery techs, but the book would only go into detail in lead acid and lithium ion, because total understanding is not the goal, just the end goal of modern technology.

Also someone mentioned the global village construction set. I would add how to make your own lathe / metal shop by Gingery.

[Anonymous No.1800682]

>>1800676
Concrete not related

[Anonymous No.1800701]

>>1797607
>Though if society collapses we would have plenty of those.
You don't know the first thing about electronics. You can't just shove any old chip in there. The chips on a modern computer board are all tied to the CPU model and are all incompatible with each other, and they pretty much require a well stocked microsoldering station to be swapped anyway. Go watch Louis Rossmann.

[Anonymous No.1800704]

>>1797637
The Appropriate Technology Library?
It's shit though. You'd 100% be better off with the top 100 books in any field from libgen.

[Anonymous No.1800707]

>>1797890
Those people in the middle of nowhere still depend on gas, oil and auto parts to sell their cattle and buy feed so they don't lose their income when there are droughts. Also they buy industrially produced clothing , cleaning products, medicines and medical treatment, ammo and other products you don't often think about.

[Anonymous No.1800708]

>>1797920
The FCC would never allow it. Nowadays satellites are only allowed to communicate using microwaves which are much harder to receive.

[Anonymous No.1800709]

>>1800701
It mainly depends on the circumstances and the area. As long as you have the knowlege and equipment it will work.
Check this out, we always lose technology.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSRHeXYDLko
>>1799572
Do you have a tutorial on how to extract useful components? I don't know how to use them or what to get, except motors, leds, capacitors, the usual. https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/269848/what-are-the-best-old-electrical-appliances-to-extract-electronic-components-fro

[Anonymous No.1800718]

Maybe watch this. It's a bit relevent.

https://youtu.be/Yc64zEZaqBE

[Anonymous No.1800794]

>>1798941
>Pictograms of significant detail, visible to the naked eye

Anon, have you ever actually seen the moon?

[Anonymous No.1800819]

>>1800794
You probably just need glasses.

[Anonymous No.1801325]

>>1798935
best comment in the thread

[Anonymous No.1801335]

>>1800819
I have almost perfect eyesight, but okay.

[Anonymous No.1801413]

>>1797543
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNRnrn5DE58
watch this.

[Anonymous No.1801417]

>>1799572
Not to mention you can in theory make a fairly powerful computer. Remember, you can think outside the box here. There is no commercial restraint or design limitations. Want the cpu to be 12x12 inches? You can. Honestly, it would be a long time before you needed to do that. So many existing computers with very fast cpus. Considering in a collapse the need for such a thing it could be decades before programming and games could exceed what we have right now.

[Anonymous No.1801585]

>>1798227
I can assure you it does not take half a day. Learn to card catalog and dewey decimal system.

[Anonymous No.1801636]

>>1801417
a 12x12 cpu would be slow though, they are small for a good reason

[Humble croatian red aerated re(...) No.1801683]

>>1797543
>We'd start the wiki with how to extract metals all the way to building complex machinery.

this sounds like a brillinat idea, there is a lot of knowledge that needs to be systematized

[Humble croatian red aerated re(...) No.1801685]

how about a discord for all things diy from scratch? I already tried that idea with some americlap but it hasnt started of?

[Anonymous No.1801718]

The Mysterious Island by Jules Verne is similar to this line of thought. They crash on a deserted island and do their best to make it civilized. They had plans to make it a colony of the US of A with a railroad going across it.

[Humble croatian red aerated re(...) No.1801732]

>>1801413
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNRnrn5DE58 [Embed]

Thank you for this, here is more on flatness issue

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkPVokvDu5w

>>1801718
>The Mysterious Island by Jules Verne is similar to this line of thought.

they probably did as video above for flatness

[Anonymous No.1802198]

ive been working on something similar to this for about 5+ years now op, 99.99% of people wont care or will mock / shun you for being interested in such things.
But if you want to network some ideas back and forth feel free to add me on discord.
bobopatch#5615

[Anonymous No.1802227]

>>1797943
>and not just larp all day in a certain period.
How about actually watching something before commenting on it you fucking faggot?

He's literally doing exactly what your describing, he started with literally nothing, making an axe from rocks and sticks.

He's currently making roman cement and smelting iron

[Anonymous No.1802316]

Im interested in pic rel, notice that its build reverse that how we build foundations today.
Today we go from less course to more coarse and the connect it to foundation, while romans built their roads from more coarse to less coarse and finished with "more coarse" uppers of the road. Is there a trick with the drainage by doing it that way?

redpill me on road construction

[Anonymous No.1802368]

>>1802316
>romans built their roads from more coarse to less coarse and finished with "more coarse" uppers of the road

We still do the same today for slab, brick & cobblestone.

>Today we go from less course to more coarse and the connect it to foundation

Yes because we invented tarmac, which suits this type of construction. The Romans didn't have it, so they didn't design for it.

[Anonymous No.1802374]

I've installed the wiki on a server but I can't get the visual editor to work...
So yeah I'm off to a bad start.

[Anonymous No.1802585]

>>1802374
Theres no rush, i'm sure the world wont end for atleast another month.

[Anonymous No.1802646]

>>1798935
also
https://www.opensourceecology.org/gvcs/

[Anonymous No.1802690]

>>1802646
thanks, I'll read those
Btw my discord is pete#4826

[Anonymous No.1802697]

>>1797612
The recipes and methods for even the most common pharmaceuticals are not easily found.

[Anonymous No.1802699]

Also, I archived this thread, in case we want to revive it later!

[Anonymous No.1802708]

>>1802699
https://archive.is/1Enft

[Anonymous No.1802720]

>>1797543
>>1800676
>if someone threw a large group of naked people onto an empty earth like planet and just gave them this one book
I've been interested in an idea like this too; trying to figure out how we go from crude stone hand axes to particle accelerators, when every generation of precision tools has to be made by tools which are less precise than the ones they're making. The Origins of Precision video was fascinating to me, but I've always wanted to put together a sort of "tech tree" to see what you need to get where we are today. It's also worthwhile to think about what practices have contributed to the success of civilization, in terms of bookkeeping, information management, organizing processes, and so on. Things like writing, money, organizations, and law (in the broader sense of systematized conflict resolution, not just statutes).
I'm not so much interested in it as a question of rebuilding civilization, but rather a question of understanding what makes modern civilization what it is.

[Anonymous No.1802926]

i've always wondered if I got sent back in time and had to show them electricity how would you do it?

Anyone else ever thought the same thing?

[Anonymous No.1802982]

That's basically youtube, wikipedia, google books/archive, libgen and scihub. Youtube get's better every day in conserving the old ways of doing things.

There's a lot of info on finding iron (or copper etc.), smeltering, blacksmithing, casting, making steel from iron, metallurgy, chemistry involved to test that shit, blacksmithing, heat treatment and hardening, how to make cutting tools for different materials, how to make standards and gauges with scraping, lapping and automatic generation of planes etc. Given a nice plot of land with ressources like clay, iron ore, wood and a lot of time you could make yourself some files, saws, drills, cast a base for a hand shaper, file and scrape everything, then a foot powered lathe. Going for gears and screws probably requires some sort of length standard. I bet there's also information how to make your own standards fitting to the metric system but i haven't seen that yet. Not sure how i would do it. Maybe comparing the expansions of different materials at known temperatures? You can always easily reproduce 0°C and 100°C or triple point if that's not accurate enough. Anyway that wouldn't even matter if you start from scratch or if you are the USA.

If you have machine tools it unlocks every other industrial achievement. You can then build your own motors/generators, build instruments for simple solid state production (also on youtube) all mechanical measuring devices (though the most important ones i.e. test indicators are very hard to find but in the end it's nothing more than a geared lever), most hand tools...

Basic chemistry is also well covered. Haven't found how to make epoxy and other resins yet but i guess for most things you can stick to tissue glues or kasein and maybe update to bakelite.

The biggest problem i see is the gigantic difference in having general knowledge of how things are done vs having a recipe how to do things. We need a database of recipes.

[Anonymous No.1802991]

>>1802982

This is a nice LARPY mental exercise, but try to bear in mind that it is 1000x easier to come up with a periodic table or construct a radio after some other set of geniuses isolated elements and investigated the laws of physics and chemistry starting from scratch.

If you comprehend this then you can see why Einstein had two guys he admired most, Newton and Maxwell.

[Anonymous No.1803015]

>>1797846
Hallo Benni,
wie geht es den Kindern? Haha, das dachte ich mir dass dir das gefällt. Bist du mit deinem Arduioprojekt schon weitergekommen?
Viele Grüße aus Bielefeld,
Reinhard
---
Wer Rechtschreibfehler findet darf sie behalten!

[Anonymous No.1803017]

Ok now I like the idea, not because I think it would be used in the apocalypse but because I could easily learn skills right now that could become useful in the apocalypse. But there have been 114 replies now and nobody has started colaboration.
(you) should post a irc channel name or link to a actual wiki page, if you cant afford to host a website make it crowdfunded by us anons kek. But you better start right now or this thread will die without anything happening.

[Anonymous No.1803042]

>>1802991
In every field you can find easier and more difficult things. What i meant is the difference between Einstein envisioning the laser and someone building it. The latter took a lot more effort and time (and maybe even knowledge).

The things i mentioned are not videos or books about how things work but how you can bring them into reality. There is a difference of 100 years experience between "you can scrape this in" and "this is how you scrape it into alignment". People show you how they do it and sometimes so detailed that you can just follow along and do it yourself. I learned a lot about scraping that way. For me it's not just a mental exercise. I did a lot of those things already and i'm always on the hunt for very detailed information of that "how"-kind. I started in the middle for practical reasons but as soon as i buy a property out of the city i will definitely learn how to do the first half too.
I will absolutely not go all the way as i am mostly interested in machining and the very early crafting techniques but i know it would be possible without spending a life experimenting. A good example would be telescope making. In itself it is a highly advanced technical task with insane accuracy and surface requirements but there is so much information out there on how to do it that a child could do it (and they sometimes do). Build up that kind of information for electric motors, bearings, growing crystals, cooking aspirin (fairly common first year stem exercise) etc. for all the different production chains you could ever imagine, slap a nice index on it and you're done.

[Anonymous No.1803176]

>>1797543
There is already an excellent website for this.
It's called "survivor library"
Have a look and message the guy who runs it, (reasonable chap) and see if you have any ideas / information you can provide.

[Anonymous No.1803505]

>>1803017
okay I here's the domain name for the site
civilizationfromscratch.xyz
It redirects to the ip address, I have to fix that but it'll do for now.
And the discord server is htps://discord.gg/7hc697

[Anonymous No.1803524]

>>1803505
I'm not really familiar with wiki. How can we add references?

[Anonymous No.1803531]

>>1803524
For the time being use edit source and add <ref> citation </ref>

[Anonymous No.1803536]

Regarding the pictures, I think it would be better to stick to "useful" pictures such as illustrating particular movements and whatnot. The two pictures that are currently on the "fire" page don't serve much a purpose.

[Anonymous No.1803537]

>>1803505
>discord server
Are you kidding me? You want to prepare for an apocalypse and then use a proprietary standard that will cease to exist with the next economic crisis?

[Anonymous No.1803539]

>>1803537
Well there's also a discussion page on the wiki.
As far as communicating without internet we could try ham radios lol.
>>1803536
Well I'll delete the first one but the second one shows how to bundle the sticks to set the fire.

[Anonymous No.1803552]

>>1803536
>>1803539
If you want your wiki to be easy to backup you might also want to keep your images tiny.
Using low-res monochrome gifs for everything would reduce file sizes a lot.

Also avoid just linking to third-party content.

[Anonymous No.1803555]

>>1803552
I was also thinking about that actually.
Does anybody know which file format can be stored in a graphing calculator?

[Anonymous No.1803561]

>>1803555
okay I'm not sure what file format graphing calculators have.
But monochrome bitmap format is by far the simplest to render.
So from now on all pictures will be monochrome bmp.

[Anonymous No.1803584]

>>1803505
>discord
Sorry but that is utter trash and completely fudded/pozzed to hell and back.

[Anonymous No.1803585]

>>1803539
>As far as communicating without internet we could try ham radios lol.
mesh network of ham radios designed to sound like static

[Anonymous No.1803602]

>>1803584
okay i made a telegram channel
t.co/civfs
I could also do an IRC channel if that doesn't work either but it'd be a pain in the butt

[Anonymous No.1803604]

>>1797543
why would you want to rebuild our failure of a society? let it burn and something new rise from the ashes

[Anonymous No.1803607]

>>1797638
I was going to link that as well, v nice anon

[Anonymous No.1803608]

>>1802316
>finished with "more coarse"
We do the same, except "infinitely" coarse, as asphalt "slabs".
Small pieces of stone will be more prone to produce holes, because if one is loose even a little bit, as vehicles move over it, it eats itself into the lower level, by washing it away. Can't move a gigantic slab.

[Anonymous No.1803692]

To whoever wrote the distillation page, that's an amazing piece.
Way better than what I've been writing.
Thank you for your contribution.
Btw damn visual editor broke again, I got to fix it.

[Anonymous No.1803701]

>>1803692
>To whoever wrote the distillation page,

*whomever*

home schooled?

[Anonymous No.1803706]

>>1803692
It was written by William B. Dick a century ago x)

[Anonymous No.1803710]

>>1803706
I might copy other receipts from his book as time goes. It is a real gold mine

[Anonymous No.1803742]

>>1803561
The images are actually png.
I'm guessing MediaWiki automatically converts uploaded bitmaps to png.

[Anonymous No.1803766]

>>1797543
You triple entendé nigga, just upload Dr. Stone!

[Anonymous No.1803780]

Is the page down?

[Anonymous No.1803782]

>>1803780
For some reason, the domain name doesn't redirect. Here is the address for now : http://161.35.29.19

[Anonymous No.1803801]

>>1798227
this is a prime example of a zoomers brain who has never learned to find information offline.

[Anonymous No.1803857]

>>1803742
It doesn't. I checked, and the files I uploaded haven't changed one bit.

[Anonymous No.1803942]

>>1803782
Sorry about that
I was trying to make the domain name not redirect to the ip address yesterday but I couldn't get it to work.
Don't worry though, I made a back up of the database.
The files are safu.
As of now the sql file is 7.39 mb, but I'll extract the content and the pictures and see if I can get it down to a much lower filesize.
>>1803742
It seems that way on the surface if you right click and save but if you click it the image->click it again it'll save it as a bmp.

[Anonymous No.1804117]

>>1802982
Bone and hide glue can be just as strong if not stronger than most modern glues. My grandpa builds airplanes out of wood and one of the glues he uses in the most critical parts is a hide glue he makes himself. Strong stuff.

[Anonymous No.1804317]

>When diluted, [alcohol] can be drunk as a recreational drug.
I don't know if that should be added. Even though it is the way most people use alcohol, it isn't really helpful for survival and can in fact be harmful. Should the accent be made on the fact that it is actually a poison?

[Anonymous No.1804341]

>>1804317
>it isn't really helpful for survival

You live a sheltered life, son.

[Anonymous No.1804359]

>>1804317
Doctors drink alcohol for the lulz

Pick a good name OP, adds could give you money

[Anonymous No.1805088]

bump

[Anonymous No.1805101]

>>1804317
Repopulating the world without the help of alcohol would be a fucking chore.

[Anonymous No.1805122]

>>1797543
http://www.ps-survival.com/
this is a good guide

[Anonymous No.1805125]

>>1805122
>The information on this site is for those who wish to improve their chances for survival after the coming pending pole shift.
lol

[Anonymous No.1805216]

>>1805122
Hey thanks to whoever contributed the other article.
I just finished writing about microchips.
>>1805122
Thanks I'll look into it.

[Anonymous No.1805354]

Retard is assuming if society collapses the internet will still be functioning

[Anonymous No.1805446]

>>1797543
Make sure to have a wiki to pdf addon so people can download the shit before shit hit the fan.

[Anonymous No.1805700]

>>1805446
The plan is to make it downloadable as raw text and images so that it can be rendered even by the worst computers and without requiring specialized software.

[Anonymous No.1806273]

What if your kids are too stupid to do any of this?

[Anonymous No.1806275]

>>1806273
sell them to / set them up with people who are smart enough to do it then. Otherwise natural selection bitch.

[Anonymous No.1806278]

Another question to think about.
What is the minimum population of humans needed to maintain healthy genetic diversity?
For example, sending a group of humans to live on another planet with them being able to reproduce self sustainably without inbreeding and also without ever having to send more humans to the planet later on.
How big would this group have to be and how different genetically would they have to be from each other?

[Anonymous No.1806288]

>>1805216
>example of processors are:
>The 555 Timer
Holy fuck, my sides.

Also:
>the intel series
>the amd series
Those are all x86.

[Anonymous No.1806292]

>>1806278
>What is the minimum population of humans needed to maintain healthy genetic diversity?
Last I read, about 90 people, but eugenics would be required to prevent any recessive genes from cropping up.

[Anonymous No.1806311]

>>1806288
well then help me out guys
I chose the wiki format so everyone could chip in a little bit
maybe correct mistakes and such
you know

[Anonymous No.1806826]

>>1797543
Fuck yeah
Been thinking about that for years.
Environmental engineer reporting in.
Water supply , sanitation, etc.
How/where to compile data?
Anyone got suggestion? Or do we just Google drive it?

[Anonymous No.1806828]

>>1806826
NVM, don't know how I missed that reading through the tread the first time.

[Anonymous No.1806856]

>>1797543
An interesting concept to implement might be to have a flowchart that shows what skills are necessary for other skills

[Anonymous No.1806865]

This civilization sucks ass, why would you want to recreate it

[Anonymous No.1806869]

>>1806865
who says we want to recreate this current society, whats stopping us from applying what we learned to fix things fundamentally that are too deep rooted to change while society is still currently standing

[Anonymous No.1806893]

>>1797543
>We'd start the wiki with how to extract metals
we already mined all the easily available metal and carbohydrate sources on the planet. If HIV gets airborn and we all die tomorrow, there won't be a another technological society of any spice ever. Ale the cyber octopuses of the future could possibly do is scratch the thin layer of compressed rust left where our skyscrapers and junk yards used to stand.

[Anonymous No.1806902]

>>1806893
>hur dur what is lava

[Anonymous No.1806914]

>>1806893
You realize that life expectancy with HIV is 70 years now? This ain't the 80's, boss.

[Anonymous No.1807146]

>>1797612
>>1802697
good thing theres things called plants and herbal medicines that worked for the entire world until the 1850s

[Anonymous No.1807157]

>>1806869
Yeah the wiki needs a lot of political sperging about how to run a perfect society.
That will surely turn out well.

[Anonymous No.1807164]

>>1806865
He says while using a computer in a heated and dry home, being sure that no one will come and kill him and after eating a meal made of agricultural produces.
>>1806869
>>1807157 This guy is right. There shouldn't be any politics on this wiki.
>>1807146
Sure, and most children would die at a young age as well.

[Anonymous No.1807184]

>>1797543
You've just reinvented libraries, OP

[Anonymous No.1807192]

So I don't have a science of maths background which will make making this wiki kind of difficult.
I'm trying to write an article on how to make plastic and I'm looking at this site
https://www.bpf.co.uk/plastipedia/how-is-plastic-made.aspx
it says
>(Naphtha is a mixture of C5 to C10 hydrocarbons obtained from the distillation of crude oil).
>For example, decane hydrocarbon is cracked down into products such as propylene and heptane where the former is then used to make poly(propylene) (Figure 5).
>Raw materials molecules are converted into monomers such as ethylene, propylene, and butene and others. All these monomers comprise double bonds so that the carbon atoms can subsequently react to form polymers.
So yeah can anyone explain how turn naphtha into plastic....

[Anonymous No.1807307]

>>1797543
http://www.cavemanchemistry.com/

Pic related should help greatly.

[Anonymous No.1807509]

Hey guys I've come up with a solution to the screen dilemma.
Should I put it in the wiki?

[Anonymous No.1807548]

>>1807157
>>1807164
When did i ever say add politics to the wiki? I never said that, all I said was there will be people like me who apply what I learned to make changes in this new society with or without anyone else's approval.
It doesn't matter anyway because it's inevitable to come on its own after the new society is made and even without me, for as long as humans can think there will be differences and therefore there will be politics.

[Anonymous No.1807573]

>>1807146
>worked until the 1850s
Okay you are retarded?

[Anonymous No.1807597]

>>1807573
>irony posting

[Anonymous No.1807657]

>>1797543
I've got 850gb of culture, books, survival guides, programming, etc. Could contribute with a torrent.

[Anonymous No.1807670]

>>1797543
*notices your settlement* OwO What's this?
>rides in on horse n cuts u down
>throws ur baby in the well you just dug then burns your nerd books >.<'
>rides off back to skin-tent sunset with ̶y̶o̶u̶r̶ my big tiddy goth wife o///o

[Anonymous No.1807744]

>>1807164
>children would die young
because they threw poop out their window and lived in open sewers. The rural people were malnourished too. I was talking more chinese medicine anyway.
>>1807573
>are you retarded
sorry you don't know history :^(

[Anonymous No.1807831]

>>1807509
That looks like a fun experiment. Here are a few things you should be aware of :
- You won't be able to weld the glass once it is filled with water. Glass needs to stay at around 500°C for several hours before fully cooling down or else it will shatter. If you can polish the openings, you might be able to seal them fairly well with a flat glass pannel.
- You should put the coil along the whole height of the bubble to allow for a greater magnetic field and invert the current rather than letting the iron particles settle with gravity.

Anyway, you should come up with a prototype before putting it on the wiki. Good luck, anon

[Anonymous No.1807835]

>>1800709
The YouTube channel GreatScott! has a simple guide. The long and short of it is that surface mount components are are a waste of time to desolder. Through-hole ICs, capacitors, coils, displays, sockets, transformers etc. are often worth it. It builds up a stock of items that you'd never think to buy, so when something calls for a certain kind of capacitor, it's great to have a mixed assortment to check through instead of going through the waiting for one to arrive or driving to a sadly dying electronic store.

[Anonymous No.1807853]

>>1807831
how about this?
>>1807670
pulls out rifle :P
>>1807657
Well my computer only has 1 tb of memory but sure I'm open to any information that might be relevant to the wiki

[Anonymous No.1807856]

>>1807853
or maybe I could use plastic

[Anonymous No.1807859]

>>1807853
From what I understand, you leave the tip of the pipe in the bubble? That might work but the water vapour will fuck with you anyway.

[Anonymous No.1807860]

>>1807856
Now I want to try PET-blowing, lol

[Anonymous No.1807869]

>>1797543
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjvBN1r7UXXqmIbx_u7bIAw

This is what you want to look at fren, he also has a wiki.

[Anonymous No.1807872]

*EMPs you*

[Anonymous No.1807874]

>>1806865
Based

[Anonymous No.1807875]

>>1807872
>makes society underground

[Anonymous No.1807877]

>>1807875
Missed the point entirely. Why did you even reply bro

[Anonymous No.1807879]

>>1807877
>>1807877
stop baiting in good threads retard

[Anonymous No.1807884]

>>1807879
You shouldn't rely on things that can be damaged by EMPs

[Anonymous No.1807887]

>>1807884
You shouldn't rely on things that can be damaged from oxidation by the air

[Anonymous No.1807890]

>>1807884
There are lots of ways to protect it from EMPs. Print the wiki on paper, put it on a HDD/magnetic band/flash drive/whatever underground or in a metal cage, burn a CD/DVD,...
Now, go back to your online school and let the grown up talk.

[Anonymous No.1808045]

>>1807872
>>1807875
>>1807877
>>1807879
>>1807884
>>1807887
>>1807890
Fuck off with this off-topic shit. OP wants to REBUILD society, not protect from disaster. The disaster already happened.

[Anonymous No.1808491]

I've been thinking, maybe I can switch the image format from monochrome bmp to xbm.
The image quality is better and is it stores every pixel in a way that's legible with notepad.
The only drawback is that xbm has a larger filesize.
What do you guys think?

[Anonymous No.1808505]

>>1808491
bmp is better because 1bit=1pixel. Which means it is much easier to render it on a screen with a DIY graphic card. With xbm, 8pixels=6characters(=48bits), two of which have any real significance.
I think the difference in quality is due to how the image is constructed. Which software do you use?

[Anonymous No.1808506]

>>1808505
>Which software do you use?
ms paint

[Anonymous No.1808538]

>>1808491
I experimented a bit with different conversion methods. While converting to xbm for the dithering then bmp for the space used gives some cool result, imagemagic also supports dithering quite well.

[Anonymous No.1808544]

>>1808538
>>1808491
What if you used a new format that was an ascii art image when you opened it in a text editor, but was a normal photo when looking at it normally?

[Anonymous No.1808573]

>>1808538
okay I think I'll try that
thanks

[Anonymous No.1808648]

okay so i got it
according to this site
http://www.grote.net/bascom/files/convert_bitmap.pdf
I save the monochrome bmp as a tiff file, change the filename to bin, use the bin2hex converter and done.
It can be read by low powered chips.
The hex files are almost twice as heavy as the original file though.

[Anonymous No.1808672]

>>1807164
>without the proper wisdom the same mistakes will happen again
At least include a copy of the holy bible on the wiki

[Anonymous No.1808678]

>>1808672
the bible would take up too much space.
Besides if the bible made it through the first dark age it might make it to the second.
Also religion counts as politics.

[Anonymous No.1808680]

>>1808648
This guide explains how to include an image's data into an assembly program. It is meant to be parsed by an assembler afterward, which will basically reverse all the steps. You might follow this guide if you want to have the image be displayed by a program on a game boy or a ti80 calculator.
In our case, I think that pure binary with an header that specifies things such as the dimensions of the image is the best choice. We don't know what kind of display or computer people will use to access the wiki. They might use a modern PC or something akin to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7rce6IQDWs

[Anonymous No.1808681]

>>1808672
Who needs the bible? Just include a copy of TempleOS instead.

[Anonymous No.1808684]

>>1808680
>pure binary with an header that specifies things such as the dimensions of the image
I forgot to say that it is bmp. Although the header could be simplified for our purpose (who needs the palette if its black and white anyway?)

[Anonymous No.1808686]

>>1808680
>I think that pure binary with an header that specifies things such as the dimensions of the image is the best choice. We don't know what kind of display or computer people will use to access the wiki
How do I do that?

[Anonymous No.1808689]

>>1808686
hmm I found this
https://onlinehextools.com/convert-hex-to-binary
I converted the file
The file is even heavier
1.57 mb
I'll convert the images to both hex and binary but I think i'll focus on hex

[Anonymous No.1808784]

>>1808689
When I say binary, I mean the raw data of the image. As you probably know, data in a computer consists of series of 1s and 0s. Binary and hex(adecimal) are ways to represent the data. For exemple FF in hex is the same as 1111 1111 in binary and 255 in decimal. For an image, it will represent 8 consecutives black pixels.
>>1808686
>How do I do that?
As stated here >>1808684 just using bmp is enough.

[Anonymous No.1808791]

>>1808689
When I say binary, I mean the raw data of the image. As you probably know, data in a computer consists of series of 1s and 0s. Binary and hex(adecimal) are ways to represent the data. For exemple FA in hex is the same as 1111 1010 in binary and 250 in decimal. For an image, it will represent 5 consecutives black pixels, 1 white pixel, 1 black pixel and 1 white pixel in a row. If you open it with a text editor, it will be interpreted as a "ú"
>>1808686
>How do I do that?
As stated here >>1808684 just using bmp is enough.

[Anonymous No.1808800]

>>1797543
we need a religion

[Anonymous No.1808812]

>>1797608
well the Eygptians used batteries

[Anonymous No.1808838]

>>1808812
Great! Could you write an article?

[Anonymous No.1808849]

I think it'd be cool if we could fit the wiki into one of these.
It would show you can store the wiki on electronic scraps.
Maybe we'd just replace take out the rom chip, store the information in another rom chip and solder it back together.
Would it be possible?

[Anonymous No.1808859]

>>1808849
These aren't really "electronic scraps". A game boy color rom is about 8MB, so it might be possible if the wiki isn't to big. However, the original Encyclopedia (directed by Diderot) was already 17 volumes, so about 17MB worth of text (which is probably an underestimate given that they are large books)

[Anonymous No.1808869]

>>1808859
Maybe but this gameboy has 400 games
It probably has more memory than a regular gameboy.
The problem is that it doesn't have a cartridge slot so it'd be harder to write the data into it and I don't know if the gameboy sdk's will work with this particular gameboy.

[Anonymous No.1808940]

>>1807853
>pulls out rifle :P
>implying you have one
>implying your tent will have any women(female) in it

[Anonymous No.1808953]

bump

[Anonymous No.1808955]

>>1797543
I think some peeps here have the wrong idea. We should start out with all the knowledge we have today. But we start with zero tools, and zero resources left over from whatever apocalypse happened.

First things first, we need to turn sticks and rocks into knives, spears, saws and hammers. We need to start hunting, fishing and cultivating food or this will be one helluva short experiment. So first priority should be to make the tools required to make short work of obtaining food and water. Then we can start working on more industrial tools. Tools to make other tools. How to find ore, smelt it, forge iron tools, and what tools to forge first so we can make more advanced tools.

It's not just that you have to start at the bottom and work your way up, you have to survive in the meantime.

[Anonymous No.1808957]

>>1808940
Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.1808959]

>>1808955
Civilization is built on specialization. Meaning, you need a village to survive to have a hope to do more than feed yourself. If you can get some farmers, hunters, & gathers doing that full time then you can start the chain of tool improvement needed for a good tech tree.

[Anonymous No.1808960]

>>1808957
wow ok fine women(male) are women too

there i said it are you happy now?

[Anonymous No.1808966]

>>1800671
Just research the Wheel and Warrior code and you can zerg rush everyone in the beginning. Its easy

[Anonymous No.1809035]

So I found out the 1 sup gameboy is nothing like the actual gameboy, according to this site
https://hackaday.com/2019/12/09/teardown-168-in-1-retro-handheld-game/
I'm assuming it reads nes roms since most of the games are nes.
The thing is nes roms are a pain in the ass to make. I tried compiling the hello world examples and none of the compilers worked and I'd have to learn C or assembly for this specific niche use.
There is a nes creator program but it's $35. Idk I might buy it if I get frustrated enough.
>>1808955
yeah I'll probably get to writing on how to make an ax and such, I already wrote a short article on how to melt metals. They can also be made from flint stone or volcanic glass.

[Anonymous No.1809044]

>>1797543
I'm highly Interested. but it should also have pages that can help with agriculture, animal husbandry and other related things that can help keep a stable civilization going.

[Anonymous No.1809261]

>>1807509
Is this a plan for a Screen, as in computer screen?

[Anonymous No.1809270]

>>1809261
it's an idea for a very crude electronic display.
here's how it would look like if someone managed to scale it down to 2 mm.
I'll try making it, but at 2 cm at first.
There is no reason why it shouldn't work.
Watch this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6yfTXxL9-g
only he uses a permanent magnet whereas I'd try to use an electromagnet.
They're different but the principle is the same.

[Anonymous No.1809272]

>>1809270
That would be quite complex though, you have to drive an electromagnet for every pixel.

Mechanical scanning television would be much simpler

[Anonymous No.1809293]

>>1809272
idk I looked at this youtube video and the quality seems horrendous
https://youtu.be/8GYGxEk0btA
Might as well stick to a projector at that point

[Anonymous No.1809295]

>>1809293
You plan on making pixels 2mm large. How can you complain about the quality?

[Anonymous No.1809296]

>>1809293
>Might as well stick to a projector at that point
It is basically a projector. One that can be controlled by a simple electrical signal and doesn't require special chemicals like an LCD based one would.

[Anonymous No.1809613]

>>1809272
some one did do the math in a yt video, and it would have to be like 70 feet tall and ridiculously fast just to be comparable to a 5inch crt. Some fellows did make a nipkow disk but instead of a disk it's a can, and has the same concept but looks more useful.

[Anonymous No.1809654]

>>1809613
That depends on the vertical resolution.
If you want 486 lines like NTSC and a 5 inch diagonal you'd need a 46 feet disc. But if you use 8 lines (enough for a single line of text in C64 font) you'd need 18 inch for the same diagonal (which would be pretty large text - you can go much smaller)
The horizontal resolution is pretty much only limited by how small you can make the holes precisely.

[Anonymous No.1809923]

So I'm trying to make it so the website doesn't redirect to the ip address and according to the tutorials it shouldn't so if I can't resolve this in a few days I might change hosting and import the wiki.
Just a heads up in case the sites 404's.
>>1809654
fine I'll add an article about the mechanical tv later.

[Anonymous No.1809926]

>>1809923
oh never mind.
I've fixed it.
nice.

[Anonymous No.1810049]

>>1797543
even if you had the know how all laid out on a guide it would take hundreds of years to go from scratch to a fully developed society to even come close to what we have today and even then many of the resources you would need are already exhausted. hate to say it but ol boy ted was right about this, if you ever were at that point you're better off not engaging into developed of technology.

the only thing that would conceivably be worth keeping around is medicine and even that is going to far because the technology required for you to have aspirine or tylenol is already pretty advanced

[Anonymous No.1810053]

>>1810049
Shhhh... Let the larpers play, it's fun watching how serious they're getting about it.

>I'm gonna make my very own world and be emperor because I'm so awesome!

[Anonymous No.1810173]

>>1810049
>>1810053
Several people in this thread have already explicitly pointed out that it's a fun and interesting mental exercise, not an anticipated scenario. Do you not see the value in taking stock of what you have in a practical way?

[Anonymous No.1810181]

>>1810173
My point is that we’d be better off not going down that path and should focus instead of living like we did before the industrial revolution

[Anonymous No.1810188]

the thing that's always confused me is how did we get to an inch or a CM? how did the standard start? who decided it? Just the logistics of getting everyone to use the same standard and have it all be the correct standard is mind boggling to me.

[Anonymous No.1810207]

>>1810188
Inch:
People have measured things with body parts for thousands of years, because for most people, it was generally understood that their body parts were roughly the same size. If you don't care about exact precision, you can tell a guy how many hands tall a camel is and he'll have a decent idea what size that camel is.
The "inch" was an old word used to refer to one twelfth of a foot (twelve is a convenient fraction because you can divide it by halves, thirds, and fourths, all of which are common needs). There were various attempts at standardizing the foot and inch throughout history, but that's tricky to do without very precise tools. The most famous was the Barleycorn Standard, which labeled an inch as 3 barleycorns (which is how U.S. shoe sizes are still numbered).
As for the centimeter, it's one of the only useful things to come out of the French Revolution. Since everything was being torn down and reinvented, they decided to take a crack at the mess that was metrology. Being French, their number system is a vague approximation of base 10 (that's a language joke; they count weird) so they hit on the idea that the most convenient common radix would probably be the base of their number system. The meter was defined by calculating the distance from the Equator to the North Pole along the surface of the Earth and dividing it by 10 million. Using prefixes, all the other lengths were derived from that, including the centimeter (1/100 meter). The length of the meter has since been redefined a few times by the international scientific community.

[Anonymous No.1810260]

>>1810049
>many of the resources you would need are already exhausted
I think you mean, "resources are already mined and highly processed for you in convenient locations and form factors."

> ol boy ted was right
You area fucking moron. lol

[Anonymous No.1810278]

>>1810260
I don’t think you understand the level of complexity in global trade and the resources required for even the simplest of things

[Anonymous No.1810311]

>>1810278
And, you are thinking that all resources are going to instantly evaporate the instant society collapses or whatever. I have to tell you that there's a shit load of resources literally everywhere around you already mined and refined, right there for the taking.

Need extruded copper? Rip the electrical wires out of the next abandoned house you see.
Need steel for a knife? Fuck that, use one of the millions of stainless steel ones within a 100 mile radius of you.
Need plastic? Melt down pretty much anything around you if it isn't already in a form factor you need.

Want to be dropped off, butt- naked on a virgin Earth-like planet? Well, you're fucked if you want to do more than hunting, gathering, trapping, fishing, and a small amount of farming because feeding yourself is literally all you really have calories for without help or a massive boon/windfall.

[Anonymous No.1810314]

>>1810181
What good does that do us for the purpose of the mental exercise that I have once again highlighted to you?
We've asked: "What is the chain of key technologies that form the complete link from stone hand tools to modern advanced technology that relies on microscopic tolerances and advanced materials?"
Your answer is:
"Actually building that stuff is too difficult, so you should limit your ambition to reconstructing a pre-industrial economy."
It doesn't answer the question. It's a useless non-sequitur that contributes nothing to the discussion, because the discussion isn't an earnest attempt to actually go somewhere on Earth and re-create modern technology; it's a conceptual examination of what the step-by-step path was from sharpened sticks to stellarators.
The answer to "how did we get here?" ISN'T "it's too hard."

[Anonymous No.1810409]

>>1810311
I'm all for rebuilding computers from scratch, I my self have been wanting to give it a go at the Ben eater computer kit, or what's more likely to happen, build a Z80 computer. But for people In the future to even imagine this, we need to get down the basics before experimental silver sulified displays, or lawn engine powered 20s TVs.

Like how to survive to get to the state at which you would have the time to even think about getting a computer working. Introductions to English (and other languages), Like I'm sure that just like the movies, language will be passed down but not the actual understanding of it, if people can't read what we are writing then this is useless. I'm not a big math guy, but I'm sure we need that aswell to use for engineering. And Medical practice, which I know nothing about.

There was a book I read called the city of Ember where they had no idea what a candle was or how to use it, and the documents that had how to use it were destroyed, maybe some sort of index of simple devices. And I'm sure this could be a controversial addition, but some sort of way to set up a government, humans would not survive and 'evolve' if they didn't work together.

[Anonymous No.1810414]

>>1810409
Well, if you want to start at 0 then you'll need some sort of pictorial flipbook made out of some pretty good material that is also a bit of a useless material to someone who needs materials so it doesn't just get turned into something else.

[Anonymous No.1810438]

>>1810414
I think some one said this earlier, and I think it's a good idea, get the wiki complete, then we can try to figure out a media.

[Anonymous No.1810445]

>>1810409
I was thinking about throwing some math and science books in there.
But that would increase the size of the wiki. So I don't know.
I mean I'm assuming that after the collapse the people who find the wiki are school educated.
So I might throw some college level courses in there.
Not that I know most of the college level stuff myself. I'm for the most part clueless.
>>1810314
Well Jeri Ellsworth did manage to make a silicon transistor.
And I did write a vague article on how to make the microchip.
If we get a bunch of transistors they'd work the same as a regular chip.
A chip is made up of thousands or millions of transistors.
However to make a microchip would take special machinery.
And like most things doing machinery for personal use would be simpler than making machinery for commercial use.
But I don't have the know how and I'm guessing most people don't have the know how given that there's only a handful of companies that make microchips across the world.

[Anonymous No.1810450]

>>1810445
Even with billions of dollars, know how and literally half a century of experience doing it it takes intel years to build a factory and begin production

[Anonymous No.1810459]

>>1810450
yeah but that's because its for commercial use.
It would take a much smaller air cleaning system if it were just one room for example along with the steps listed on the wiki.
If somebody had the know how, it could all fit in one lab.

[Anonymous No.1810464]

>>1810459
Do you understand what from scratch means? Before you ever got to the point of doing something like that you’d have to come up with a power plant

Full fucking supply of coal for 24/7 operation
Full supply of copper and magnets for generators
Full supply of quality steel
It would take hundreds of years before you could ever get to the point of even dreaming about building a clean room let alone a transistor

[Anonymous No.1810587]

>>1797543
This is an ambitious project. There are a lot of people who might be interested, the trouble is having someone maintain that interest long term to keep the website going. Once you approach higher levels of technical sophistication you also run into the issue that the specialists who know how things work are very busy, accustomed to getting paid for their consultations, and may operate on proprietary technologies that they aren't allowed to disclose.

Open Source Ecology might be up your alley, OP. Also - Low Tech Magazine.

[Anonymous No.1810700]

>>1810464
Power generation isn't coal dependent, that's just the choice that industry has taken. As long as you can turn a turbine somehow, you can generate electricity.
Copper and iron aren't rare either.

[Anonymous No.1810723]

>>1810464
The Romans did it with wood, brick, water, and slave labor:
>The Roman Flour Mill at Barbegal
http://www.waterhistory.org/histories/barbegal/

Yes it says Flour Mill, but experts believe it's likely they used the waterwheel power for many other industrial purposes.

[Anonymous No.1810877]

https://www.lowtechmagazine.com/

Site dedicated to combining old tech solutions with modern materials.

Also good read for long nights.
>The 2010 Nissan Leaf and Mitsubishi i-MiEV have exactly the same range as the 1908 Fritchle Model A Victoria: 100 miles (160 kilometres) on a single charge

[Anonymous No.1810939]

>>1810877
>The 2010 Nissan Leaf and Mitsubishi i-MiEV have exactly the same range as the 1908 Fritchle Model A Victoria: 100 miles (160 kilometres) on a single charge
That says a lot about our state of battery technology; weight of vehicle notwithstanding.

[Anonymous No.1811099]

>>1797607
See: http://retrobrew.org
For much more of the good stuff.

[Anonymous No.1812230]

>>1802720
you don't even need electricity to make a particle accelerator https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westinghouse_Atom_Smasher

[Anonymous No.1813320]

bump?

[Anonymous No.1813338]

>>1810939
>That says a lot about our state of battery technology; weight of vehicle notwithstanding.

That thing would go a thousand miles with modern batteries. Remember, there is not much rolling resistance when you are going 10 mph.

[Anonymous No.1813440]

>>1813338
I wonder what weight class they are too.

[Anonymous No.1813749]

Well I'm still writing articles and I just received the iron oxide on the mail. I'm still waiting for the rest of the stuff to make the big scale electromagnetic display. I'll have it done by the end of this month.

[Anonymous No.1814163]

>>1797543
Say no more:
https://www.opensourceecology.org/

[Anonymous No.1814437]

>>1814163
thats already been mentioned like 10 times faggot

[Anonymous No.1814469]

http://www.sparkmuseum.com/RADIOS.HTM
can someone turn this website into a pdf? it has literally every old electronic invention

[Anonymous No.1814493]

>>1814469
You can do that yourself. Open the page in your browser, menu->print (or Ctrl+P). Usually, it presents you a preview of the printing job. Click on "print..." to open the selection of the printer, parameters,... In the printer selection, chose "print to PDF" (the name can vary depending on your OS).

[Anonymous No.1814590]

>>1814163
out of all the stuff listed on the site only 13 are in the prototype stage and many are from years ago.
It would have been cool if they had the electric motor, car, truck and induction furnace.

[Anonymous No.1814600]

>>1814163
out of all the stuff listed on the site only 13 are in the prototype stage and many are from years ago.
It would have been good if they had the electric motor, car, truck and induction furnace.

[Anonymous No.1814604]

>>1814600
Er It would have been nice
Just like it'd be nice if this site had an edit option

[Anonymous No.1815410]

>>1797543
I guess with enough time and manpower you could:
>basic tools > basic materials > crude metallurgy > better metallurgy > machine lathes > electrical power generation > automation > computing

[Anonymous No.1815828]

should we make a google drive?, discord is for cucks

[Anonymous No.1815866]

>>1815828
They don't serve the same purpose at all. Why would you want a file hosting/sharing service to redact a wiki?

[Anonymous No.1815886]

So I'm kind of stuck on how to melt metals with a high melting point such as steel
We definitely need steel. .
I'm thinking that thermite might be a shortcut.
Also induction heaters can melt steel.
What do you guys think?
Also if anybody knows how an ion pump works that'd be helpful too since they can be used to make vacuum tubes.
I kind of get the idea behind it, putting two titanium rods on the inside etc... but I'm not 100% sure.

[Anonymous No.1815942]

>>1797932
>social credit system where we keep notarized records of their account and labor that they can redeem at the bar or wherever

you mean money?

[Anonymous No.1815970]

>>1815942
Hey OP here
Just wanted to say that the wiki is still apolitical and all comments that are political are not done by me

[Anonymous No.1815973]

>>1815886
Steel? Use a hot blast/regenerative furnace.

[Anonymous No.1815974]

>>1815973
forgot link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_blast#Steel

[Anonymous No.1815975]

>>1815974
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_blast#Steel
okay thanks I'll add that to the wiki

[Anonymous No.1815979]

>>1815886
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_J._Gingery

[Anonymous No.1815981]

>>1803604
it's not about rebuilding the failures, it's about providing the basic knowledge to skip the long time it would take to collect this amount of information again.

[Anonymous No.1815984]

>>1815970
Any plans for hosting this wiki so far?
I think this idea is great and it shouldn't die when this thread does. Also, an actual wiki page (or something comparable) would make it easier to keep track of the progress and current status.

[Anonymous No.1816002]

>>1808672
Why would you re-add the thing that caused civilisation to collapse in the first place?

[Anonymous No.1816005]

>>1815984
OP already hosts the wiki. The URL was shared earlier but here it is again for the people who don't want to read the whole thread : http://www.civilizationfromscratch.xyz

[Anonymous No.1816012]

>>1807184
Some libraries are fucking useless, like my town's its all fucking fiction books.

[Anonymous No.1816013]

>>1803505
Fuckin discord link is dead m8

[Anonymous No.1816021]

>>1816012
Fiction is a civilization killer. It is the only main genre of books that has the worst effect on people and needs burned. The amount of time people waste on fiction is absurd and it only teaches them completely faulty information in every respect and is squarely in the, "bread & circuses," zone of population control.

My local library had a few rather large sections of academia, homesteading, vocational, and DIY type stuff up to about 8 years ago. Then one of the people who worked there died of old age and the other decided she wanted to retire. After they were replaced, ALL of those sections were removed and replaced with various shit like romance, LGBT, sci-fi, and psychology. I went there to see if they had any of the basket weaving books not checked out. They were all gone and I learned from another person what had happened. I've not been back since.

>>1816013
As it should be. Discuck is shit.

[Anonymous No.1816024]

>>1816013
Oh we've been using this one
TJkdH3

[Anonymous No.1816027]

>>1815886
Furnaces, place the steel in feed it a burning material like coal or charcoal apply wind/directed airflow to make the fire burn hotter the more air and the better the fuel the easier the heat.

[Anonymous No.1816033]

>>1816021
Honestly, its absolutely fucking insane that this new society values everything fake over everything real. Libraries used to be a location to go to find factual information, and other such books on skills and history. Now its just Leisure books. Ours had a remodel recently, it went from around 1/2 of it being Nonfiction to well under an 1/8th of it. The rest of the space was repurposed into meeting rooms, the genealogy room, a massive glass wall for a teenager room, 1/4 of the space audio visual stuff and PCs. The rest is Children's fiction, maker spaces, and fucking fiction.

[Anonymous No.1816038]

>>1797543
Would have to be largely geographic specific. Great, I know how to identify some rocks for certain metals and extract them, but there are zero of these rocks within 2000km of my location. Shit, all steps that follow are now pointless.

What I'm getting at is there'd need to be a seperate wiki for the various different spawn points on Earth. Good luck.

[Anonymous No.1816044]

>>1816033
I think it has something to do with lack of funds in the face of the internet taking away their user base.

I'm just glad I got a truck load of non-fiction books during their final book sale back when they did have book sales. I don't know how they make their money now.

[Anonymous No.1816048]

http://one.laptop.org
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6W_FociVJM

[Anonymous No.1816053]

>>1816033
My local library has art and design exhibitions.

[Anonymous No.1816055]

>>1816044
Thinking about opening a Privatized Library with a shit load of books the entire thing is nonfiction, All you do is pay a membership monthly, something affordable and cheap to you. I have ways to fund it other than that but that's the basic principle. You pay for membership, membership can be revoked if books are not returned in a satisfactory condition etc.
>>1816053
What are you letting your politicians smoke? That's possibly the most useless fucking thing you could ever put in a library.

[Anonymous No.1816059]

>>1816055
They host miniature mock-ups of proposed municipal zoning projects before they are put up for a vote.

[Anonymous No.1816062]

>>1816059
Don't you have a city hall?

[Anonymous No.1816063]

>>1816062
It's smaller than the library.

[Anonymous No.1816071]

>>1816033
Are you crazy? Libraries have to make money too. Why would a library devote at least half it's space, time and energy to a section that no one uses? Like it or not, Google is the new non fiction section.

[Anonymous No.1816074]

>anons itt

[Anonymous No.1816075]

>>1816071
They don't charge for fucking anything, all their money comes from the fucking county. I wouldn't be complaining if they were charging to use the damn thing but no its my tax dollars!

[Anonymous No.1816080]

>>1816075
use buttcoins lol

[Anonymous No.1816083]

>>1798321

It's like people don't realize that we invented computers before computers were invented.

[Anonymous No.1816084]

>>1816083
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqhuAnySPZ0

[Anonymous No.1816085]

>>1802697

This making a wiki that does have the recipes a good idea.

Can the people who hate this idea because the information is all readily available, and the people who hate this idea because it is not readily available, please get a room so we can work on this?

[Anonymous No.1816088]

>>1802697
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_medicines
I bet the most important ones are no longer under patent

[Anonymous No.1816090]

>>1816075
Library funding varies by locality. And his point about not wasting time and space on an area that no one visits, versus an area that people want to visit, is valid. They aren't reducing the non-fiction section because it's too popular you know.

[Anonymous No.1816097]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snz7JJlSZvw

The Bob Ross of amateur astronomy.

[Anonymous No.1816099]

>>1802697
well a lot of the pharmaceuticals are non essential really.
Stuff like ssri's, birth control, heart burn medicine...
But essential stuff like penicillin, vaccines, lithium,insulin, etc... are doable I think
Schizophrenics would be out of luck though cause those medications are hard to make

[Anonymous No.1816121]

>>1816099
>...heart burn medicine...

Wait till you're about 50, you'll be singing a whole new tune.

[Anonymous No.1816123]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longitude_(book)
This is a very good book, especially as a gift. It is well written and not a maudlin ponderous read at only 191 pages.

[Anonymous No.1816130]

>>1802991

That's the point. In history we did things in the order that we learned how. In a reboot scenario, we can do things purely in the order that infrastructure requires.

[Anonymous No.1816170]

>>1816121
Fix your fucking diet.

[Anonymous No.1816172]

>>1816099
>Schizophrenics
They shouldn't have any. Don't breed with them. Make them easy to spot.

[Anonymous No.1816178]

>>1816172
but anon sex with crazy chicks is the best

[Anonymous No.1816210]

We've breached the 315 reply wall imposed by the MODS. What comes next?

[Anonymous No.1816217]

>>1816210
I guess OP could make a new thread. Moreover, that will allow them to put the links somewhere visible

[Anonymous No.1816222]

>>1816217
*lenin voice*
Whose them?

[Anonymous No.1816312]

>>1816170
What's wrong with my diet, Anon?

[Anonymous No.1816320]

>>1816312
You know it's just friendly advice just take care of yourself anon.

[Anonymous No.1816390]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkLvpt9Z3fA

[Anonymous No.1817466]

Since OP wasn't responding, I made a new thread
>>1817465