/diy/ - Do It Yourself

[Anonymous No.1707332]

Why are almost no homes build with solid brick walls anymore?

[Anonymous No.1707337]

t. American

[Anonymous No.1707343]

>>1707332
People are tightasses

[Anonymous No.1707349]

>>1707332
I am actually debating this currently

>block house with brick veneer
>solid brick

With the blocks I could get better insulation, however with solid brick I would also have the interior walls finished on the rooms that border the brick wall.

[Anonymous No.1707360]

>>1707343
It's not so much a cost issue, but rather a time issue stemming from how post-war WWII construction fucked up the housing industry.

Home builders have gone from your local gentlemanly contractor and bricklayers to regional and interstate Big Corporations.

Where once upon a time your local bespoke home builder might pride himself on building quality homes for his clients, that might take 2 years to complete.
Now the Big Companies (Like Ryan) work to get a home done, start to finish and then sold in less than 3 months so they can max out the profits, but even then they're mainly selling the mortgage on a house that won't last the length of the mortgage.

Local example I saw in a "Historical" neighborhood, 2 neighbors were building garages.
The one guy hired a small local mason crew to build a 2 car solid brick garage.
It took ALL summer long for the 3 guy crew to complete.
The other guy had a wood frame 2 car garage kit delivered from Carter's Lumber, it was done in like 2 weeks.

Now, if all you care about is "I want it and I want it RIGHT NOW, damn the quality!" the answer of why solid brick homes are rare becomes obvious.

[Anonymous No.1707398]

>>1707337
rent free

[Anonymous No.1707410]

it's impractical.

Solid brick walls like in OP pic, are for structural purposes, but in the concrete era is now the kind of thing you would implement just for aesthetics or for self-made or low budget projects. This kind of brick walls also lack insulating efficiency and would require extra steps and cost to insulate.

In the other hand you have your regular hollow brick walls along with air chamber or insulating, which are not mean for structural purposes but for thermal efficiency and sound proofing. These are still common these days in brick and concrete buildings.

[Anonymous No.1707412]

>>1707332
1. Expensive
2. Poor insulation (i.e. insulation is needed)
3. Takes longer to build
4. Pain in the ass to wire

It is just easier to pour shit out of concrete, or use OSB, or use metal framing.
Brick is only suitable for lazy ass nations, i.e. spics, eurospics, croatian, etc.

[Anonymous No.1707423]

>>1707412
>3. Takes longer to build
>4. Pain in the ass to wire

Yet you say its for lazy Europeans. Go back to your McMansion

[Anonymous No.1707429]

>>1707423
>4. Pain in the ass to wire
But it is really pain in the ass to wire, compared to cardboard american houses.
>Yet you say its for lazy Europeans.
Have you ever seen a southern European? They are slow and lazy.

[Anonymous No.1707662]

What is the problem with wood? The framing of a wood house rarely goes bad especially if you use good old growth lumber from the north.

[Anonymous No.1707670]

>>1707332
No benefits

[Anonymous No.1707673]

This is a board where we regularly see mention of knob and tube wiring in a house, houses that didn't originally have electrical service, even some that had plumbing added long after being built.

And still we have the meme that ALL wood houses are shit, just because the majority of modern ones aren't built with more than 50 years life in mind.
US, you get your house and kids, eventually move off when kids leave.
Old areas go to shit, neighborhoods turn into rentals and section 8, eventually every few houses you see doors boarded up or burned down.
Good areas eventually reach higher density and you end up with entire subdivisions bought up for new development, or the areas keep their value and every so often someone likes a location but wants a bigger or more modern house so it gets torn down and replaced.

America is a huge place with lots of people that move around. We rarely have multi-generation houses these days, don't have waiting lists for people hoping to "buy" a house or property to build on (actually just renting until there's a reason to take it back) from some local gov council or whatnot. We don't have areas where people are trying to pack cities into areas that are only village sized but hundreds of years old.
And, we have managed to keep forests, a lumber industry, and not cut down every tree for miles.

PROTIP: Even if you shape it and cook it in an oven before stacking it, you're still just building fancy mud huts.

[Anonymous No.1707684]

>>1707332
Earthquakes

[Anonymous No.1707696]

>>1707684
>everywhere experiences earthquakes

I’ve lived here my whole life, so have my parents and so did their parents. None of us have felt an earthquake ever. (Piedmont area of NC)

[Anonymous No.1707706]

>>1707332
Economics and sometimes law.
If I had the money, exterior and interior walls would be solid stone. Sheet rock would be separated from the stone wall by wood so that it would allow wiring.I would also have a psuedo second floor that's really on top of a slab of stone well over 8 feet (in case of floodings or something) and all sorts of things most home owners would considered unconventional. But I don't got the money to make it happen captain. So it's time to choose what over priced hollow frame house you want that couldn't protect you from a stray bullet. Even the doors are fake in this crazy town.

[Anonymous No.1707712]

>>1707332
Simple answer. Cost.

[Anonymous No.1707718]

>>1707412
>insulation is needed
And cardboard houses don't require insulation?

[Anonymous No.1707722]

Los beneficios de una casa de ladrillo son:

>Son resistentes contra vientos fuertes recuerdan el cuento de Los tres cerditos, además no he visto una casa de ladrillo volando en un tornado.

>Suecia es más resistente contra terremotos, si se construye con un buen hierro o con una excelente planeción resiste un buen terremoto.

>Es un poco más segura en caso de que alguien quiera romper un muro para entrar a tu casa.

>En caso del aislamiento encima del muro de ladrillo interior encontré este vídeo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7jZ9suB9y8

[Anonymous No.1707723]

The benefits of a brick house are:

The benefits of a brick house are: > they are resistant to strong winds remember the story of The Three Little Pigs, plus I have not seen a brick house flying in a tornado.

>They can be more resistant against earthquakes, if built with a good iron or with excellent planning resists a good earthquake.

>It's a little safer in case someone wants to break through a wall to get into your house.

>In case of the insulation above the inner brick wall I found this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7jZ9suB9y8

[Anonymous No.1707724]

The benefits of a brick house are:

> they are resistant to strong winds remember the story of The Three Little Pigs, plus I have not seen a brick house flying in a tornado.

>They can be more resistant against earthquakes, if built with a good iron or with excellent planning resists a good earthquake.

>It's a little safer in case someone wants to break through a wall to get into your house.

>In case of the insulation above the inner brick wall I found this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7jZ9suB9y8

[Anonymous No.1707732]

>>1707724
Wisner-Pilger Middle School in Nebraska. Built in 1909 out of bricks. It was not just a brick facade, but a structural brick building.

>On June 16, 2014, a tornado tore through the small agricultural community of Pilger, Nebraska, causing catastrophic damage to the village 85 miles northwest of Omaha. The tornado, one of two that hit Pilger on the same day, was part of a multi-day storm that produced more than 100 tornados across the Great Plains. The EF-4 grade storm generated winds of up to 200 miles an hour, left two people dead and sixteen critically injured, and caused the destruction of over half of the village’s buildings.

[Anonymous No.1707733]

>>1707732
It collapsed the second story 1/3rd of the building and ripped the roof off the entire building, flooding it. Several other brick buildings in the area were also heavily damaged.

[Anonymous No.1707735]

>>1707733
Even more modern buildings such as this one.

[Anonymous No.1707736]

>>1707735
Meanwhile...

[Anonymous No.1707737]

>>1707736
>But my concrete home will
When your concrete home gets hit by a cement truck going 200 MPH its gonna get fucked too. Weak buildings get torning apart by the winds, strong buildings get torn apart by the *debris*.

[Anonymous No.1707739]

>>1707737
This was a tornado-proof home. It "survived". Unless you plan on having no windows or doors, or build it flush with the ground, this is what your concrete homes will look like too. Gutted.

[Anonymous No.1707741]

>>1707739
People think tornadoes are some kind of joke. They only affect trailer homes and stick-built structures. That storm in >>1707732? That was a 4 on the Enhanced Fujita Scale. That means the winds were between 166 and 200 MPH. The scale goes up to level 5. At that category a semi can be picked up and thrown upwards of a mile away. Do you know why >>1707736 is still standing? Cause the tornado didn't hit it. When a tornado hits your shit, and it is strong enough, it is done. End of story. Unless you want to spend a million dollars building a 2 bedroom, 1 bath in flyover country your shit gets rekt. So, you build a 60k mansion and rebuild it when it gets fucked 20 or 30 years later. You can buy land with a house on it there for much less than many places and buildings are cheap.

[Anonymous No.1707753]

>>1707741
There's a great video somewhere, I remember watching it live on tv when it happened, of a tornado going through a truck yard with trailers/trucks flying up into the sky

[Anonymous No.1707786]

Why do we build house near tornados brehs...

[Anonymous No.1707791]

Most old buildings were absolute shit. The ones that have stuck around until today were exceptionally well made for their time.

[Anonymous No.1707793]

>>1707410
So how about spend a little more and have a structural wall with an airgap on the outside and another aesthetic wall farther out?
Checkmate.

[Anonymous No.1707798]

>>1707337
this, in my country is always solid bricks

[Anonymous No.1707813]

>>1707398
he's right you brain damaged retard

[Anonymous No.1707845]

>>1707410
My house is freezing all the time.

Stonepilled no brick

[Anonymous No.1707848]

Bricks are shit. If you are going solid, cinder block is faster, easier, more solid, more insulated and more resilient.

People go for wood because it's easiest to remodel, which Americans are obsessed with.

[Anonymous No.1707876]

>>1707724
>> they are resistant to strong winds remember the story of The Three Little Pigs, plus I have not seen a brick house flying in a tornado.
Nah, tornados destroy bricks. Only thing they don't destroy is concrete

[Anonymous No.1707910]

>>1707337
FPBP

[Anonymous No.1707920]

>>1707349
you know you need to go solid brick. you will regret it later.

[Anonymous No.1707931]

>>1707332
because it's a death sentence during an earthquake.

[Anonymous No.1707937]

>>1707332
>third worlder
>>1707337
/thread

[Anonymous No.1707940]

>>1707410
>>1707793
exactly, pic related

[Anonymous No.1707942]

>>1707429
Can you read? The question was why would they then use the more laborious method if they are so lazy?

[Anonymous No.1707956]

Would this be considered a solid brick wall? It’s essentially 2 brick walls with insulation sandwiched in between.

[Anonymous No.1708031]

>>1707942
The lazy aren't known for their intelligence.

[Anonymous No.1708094]

>>1707662
Mould and damp and cold in winter. I'm from Ireland where we only have brick built housing. Couldn't believe how cheap and terrible and thin walled wooden houses are in America Canada and New Zealand. Like I get that it's cheaper but damn it's low quality

[Anonymous No.1708101]

>>1708031
If you want to know the easiest way to do something, ask a lazy man.

>>1707956
Insulation is cheap. One of the simplest and best is still air. If the air can't move the heat doesn't either.
Any cellular filler that stops air circulation will work.
In old ice-boxes they used a single sheet of brown paper.

[Anonymous No.1708102]

>>1707332
Modern houses have 5k feet of network cable and 50+ electrical circuits. Running that shit in the brick wall or through conduit alone is labour intensive enough to make the process economical. Plus the thousands of feet of plumbing.

[Anonymous No.1708107]

I would do it this way if I was building a house.

[Anonymous No.1708109]

>>1708102
So how do European plumbers and electricians do it?

[Anonymous No.1708110]

>>1708109
You tell me. You people can't drink your tap water and you run everything in your house off of one circuit.

[Anonymous No.1708113]

>>1708102
My house is made with cinder blocks and it's pretty easy, use some electrical conduits fish them out at the proper height and you're golden.

[Anonymous No.1708114]

>>1707876
See
>>1707737
>>1707739

[Anonymous No.1708115]

>>1708102
>Modern houses
Stop building OSB McMansions faggot

[Anonymous No.1708118]

>>1708113
Do you know how much conduit you'd need in a 4k sq.ft house?

>>1708115
Try evolving and stop building shit like it's the 1500's.

[Anonymous No.1708120]

>>1708110
>You people can't drink your tap water and you run everything in your house off of one circuit.
In Europe it's perfectly fine to drink your tap water and it won't set you on fire.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ApZkNsXfJE

[Anonymous No.1708124]

>>1708118
>stop building shit that's meant to last
what about no

[Anonymous No.1708128]

>>1708124
There are plenty of 100+ year old non brick houses still standing. I really don't know how would wanna live in one though. Old plumbing, electrical and insulation is shit. Modern houses are remodeled every 30 years as trends and technology changes anyways.

[Anonymous No.1708130]

My dream home is a pre ww2 stone and wooden beam home. EXTRA thick walls. The problem is the American construction industry is catered to house flippers and mcmansions. They make the most instant profit but last less than in some cases 20 years. Its even worse in my area. My choices are home depot, lowes or maybe if i drive two hours an actual lumber yard. Industry in general has been bleeding out for decades. Oil and gas brought in a lot of temporary cash and work but all the supply businesses and specialty stores are gone.
I can't even find 4 inch steel structural steel pipe! I would go to a junkyard but the EPA has closed them all. I'm sick to death of cheap and throwaway.

[Anonymous No.1708131]

>>1708118
>Try evolving and stop building shit like it's the 1500's.
Says the guy using fucking feet lmao

[Anonymous No.1708134]

>>1708131
Okay. Have fun without dishwashers.

[Anonymous No.1708140]

>>1708131
kek

[Anonymous No.1708205]

>>1707337
/thread

[Humble croatian red aerated te(...) No.1708218]

>>1707332
>Why are almost no homes build with solid brick walls anymore?

do hollow bricks count?

[Humble croatian red aerated te(...) No.1708221]

>>1707724
>>1707876
>Nah, tornados destroy bricks. Only thing they don't destroy is concrete

that is why you frame with RC and fill in with bricks - basically fireproof , earthcuck proof, literally bulletproof

>>1708109
>>1708110
simple as
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHjl9q74tfo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x1pimy0Jt4

[Anonymous No.1708222]

>>1707332
moisture gaps became a thing to stop "rising damp", insulation became a thing, non- breathable plaster and paints became a thing.

you do not want to live in a house without a moisture gap trust me.

try youtube-ing some vids about houses that suffer from "rising damp damp" if you want to know what happens.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=house+rising+damp

[Humble croatian red aerated te(...) No.1708228]

>>1708222
>"rising damp"

most of that is a total scam, most cases are solved by cleaning the drainage and not using PolySuperMax2000 type paints, are you even housepilled?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XORucdJ5zQw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa_ZPVSP-Qo

[Anonymous No.1708290]

>>1707337
American here,cinderblock.By no means the greates,but a step up I guess.

[Anonymous No.1708439]

Oh god the croat is back

[Anonymous No.1708467]

>>1707848
>cinder block is more solid than brick
The fuck are you smoking?

[Anonymous No.1708539]

>>1708101
>If you want to know the easiest way to do something, ask a lazy man.
This only works when the lazy man is either clever, or at least motivated.

otherwise they're perfectly fine with doing the job the hard way, just even slower, so long as they still get paid.

[Anonymous No.1708542]

>>1708467
I think he means after you run rebar through them and fill them with concrete.

Rather than just using them as large bricks, which is probably up to code anywhere anyway.

[Anonymous No.1708548]

Thomas edison concrete home ftw

[Anonymous No.1708550]

Fuck your mcmansion, styrofoam faux stucco

[Anonymous No.1708666]

>>1707332
labor costs more per square foot for masonary work.

[Anonymous No.1708668]

>>1707673
mud huts are more advanced that stick shacks

[Anonymous No.1708669]

>>1707718
not when theyre on fire

[Anonymous No.1708671]

>>1708218
will these stop 7mm rem mag? my neighbors a cunt and i want to upgrade from my unibomber shack.

[Anonymous No.1708868]

>>1708666
But that's an investment in the longevity of your house, so you get a better ROI.

[Anonymous No.1708953]

>>1707724
>It's a little safer in case someone wants to break through a wall to get into your house
So, your house doesn't already have windows?

[Humble croatian red aerated te(...) No.1709209]

>>1708671
>will these stop 7mm rem mag?

probably, those are at least 20cm thick

[Anonymous No.1709212]

>>1707360
And good luck finding those 3 bricklayers these days. I wouldn't want to be a bricklayer, that have to be one of the worst labour job.

[Anonymous No.1709216]

look up El Segundo High School. made of brick since 1927. still standing.

[Anonymous No.1710110]

>>1707332
Shit's expensive m8

The cost of building a home with standard frames and drywall vs. building it all in block are several times less expensive because building with bricks takes much longer, which means much more labor cost.

[Anonymous No.1710129]

"Ending is better than mending. The more stitches, the less riches."

[Anonymous No.1710324]

middleeastern here, almost all buildings are RC with natural stone cladding, windows are double pane insulated

need to work on water drainage and thermal insulation though as climate is changing and getting more and more brutal

[Anonymous No.1710377]

>>1707337
t. 3rd world

[Anonymous No.1710385]

>>1707332
How many times per week do you need to make this stupid fucking thread?

[Anonymous No.1710513]

>>1710377
They're so poor they can't afford OSB lmao.

[Humble croatian red aerated te(...) No.1710865]

>>1710377
>t. 3rd world

based 3rd worlders

[Anonymous No.1710968]

>>1710865
why are you calling yourself based? let other 3rd worlders praise you. be humble, slav

[Anonymous No.1710976]

/diy/'s thoughts on log homes?

[Anonymous No.1710984]

former redneck. none will teach you the secrets. they're like dip chewin yodas with it. you'd have to almost go off grid.

[Anonymous No.1711154]

>>1710976
My dad and uncle both have them, and while I like both their houses they dislike them because of the constant maintenance

[Anonymous No.1712029]

>>1710377
Thats latin amarica, but you are a mutt, so no offense

pic related is what my country look likr

[Anonymous No.1712052]

bought a single story block house with no wall insulation. how fucked am I?

[Anonymous No.1712067]

>>1712052
>no wall insulation
cold and damp
Properly insulated CBS is the king.

[Anonymous No.1712070]

>>1712029
this is what your country looks like, donkey boy

[Anonymous No.1712071]

>>1712070
>looks like a bomb went off

[Anonymous No.1712721]

>>1708218
pozdrav

[Humble croatian red aerated te(...) No.1713214]

>>1712721
kaj ima?