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1678841 No.1678841 [Reply] [Original]

who are the laziest trades workers and why is it welders?

>> No.1678846

>>1678841

Drill Press operators.

>> No.1678847

>>1678841
Idk man, he’s going to have to reach pretty far to grab that grinder.

I’ve seen a lot of HVAC guys where there is a second dude standing around just to tell the first if the air is hot or cold yet.

My favorite is the middle aged equipment operator with a perma-Marlboro hanging out his mouth while he’s running the backhoe or whatever. The dude who could do the job with his eyes closed if it weren’t for all the dumbasses getting in his way.

>> No.1678866

>>1678847
>HVAC
Arent those the mother fuckers who where trying to kill Freeman

>> No.1678868

Road construction. Every time I see these assholes 1 guy is doing some digging while 4 stand around.

>> No.1678879

>>1678868
This. Old saying down home about it always taking 8 state road crew guys to mow the easement was: 2 coming, 2 going, 2 shitting, and 2 mowing.

>> No.1678927

>>1678868
what's orange and sleeps four?
state highway truck.

>> No.1678948

2nd my vote for fucking HVAC/tinners. The jobsite im working on, I regularly see them sleeping on the job, taking 1h lunches, showing up late and leaving early (9a-3/4p basically), and working inhumanly slow as fuck. I swear to god the refrigeration guys would braze like 3-5 feet of copper line a day between the two of them. For a mixing box that had 10 lines coming from it.

>> No.1678958

>>1678868
Not traffic light installers. They dig.

Not union electricians. Some companies can get by, but they'll be quick to layoff when the contract is up. The union I belong to often sends one man (and a stocked connex/container) to complete a 1.5-2million contract. He has a year deadline to finish the building, underground, piping, pulling feeders, etc. It's an industrial boiler room about 1500 sq feet. He has to wire the condensers, the water cooler, the lights, the outdoor lighting (underground) work, the pumps, the vfd's, etc. Being as undermanned as we are, and with the future cost of labor given our wages, I think that's the future. One man assigned one project.

>> No.1679005

Maintenance. 70% of the time we're just waiting around for something to break

>> No.1679010

>>1679005
Maintenance in my factory are like this, the funniest thing is when the power turns off for a second or two. All of them start running to the heat treatment department because everything needs reset now.

>> No.1679018

>>1679005
Can confirm
Doing HVAC maintenance at night on a large building is the most gravy job there is.
Probably do 2 hours of work a night on average and sit on my ass for the rest of the time.
Day shift is about the same though, not as much fixing but more of just walking around

>> No.1679068

>>1679010
Isn't it great when the building starts to catch on fire because the power goes out?

>> No.1679069

>>1678958
Well where the fuck is everyone going to get their bonus out of that 2 mil if we keep having to spend a few tens of thousands paying enough peons to actually finish on schedule? Don't you understand capitalism?

>> No.1679085

>>1678841
>welding near your testicles
Typical welder. It takes a carpenter to teach them the basics.

>> No.1679086

>>1678841
unionized welders*

>> No.1679087

>>1678927
Kek! Forgot that one! Thanks Anon!

>> No.1679112

>>1678841
Don’t forget the ABCs of welding fellas
Always
Be
Comfortable

>> No.1679151

>>1678958
>One man assigned to one project
Well that’s an easy way to tell who fucked up on something.

>>1678948
I was at a KFC a few months back and watched two HVAC techs spend about an hour getting out the torch and trying to find a lighter in an attempt to braze one line. Neither of them had a way to start the torch and they were going around the restaurant asking everybody for a lighter.

>> No.1679163

>>1678841
HVAC fucks are the laziest.
Once upon a time the trade banged actual tin, nowadays they cut plastic tubing and fit it to plastic coated fiberglass panels with zip ties and (sniff) glue to PVC pipe for exhausts and drains... then bitch about how "hard" their job is.

whinny bitches wouldn't last a day on a framing or drywall finish crew.

Now Boiler guys get my respect since they have to actually know MATH as also having to do the work.

>> No.1679164

>>1678866
MY
ASS
IS
HEAVY

>> No.1679169

>>1679163
>HVAC is lazy
>because modern high eff. furnaces use PVC exhaust pipes instead of metal

>nevermind the duct work they do
>nevermind the lineset work they do
>nevermind the electrical work they do
>nevermind the equipment remove/setting they do

lmao framing and drywall monkeys are just drunkards who couldn't find any better work with their utter lack of skills.

>> No.1679172

>>1679169
HVAC electrical is easy AF.
Lineset is easy AF.
Duct is hard.

>> No.1679177

>>1679172
>>Lineset is easy AF.
>customer wants condenser moves to other side of house
>basement is finished
>new lineset will have to be run nonparallel to joists in basement ceiling
>customer doesn't want anything like linehead/gutters on his ceiling, have to put them above
>have to cut out 15 holes in the ceiling to drill out holes in joists to slide lineset through
>then have to drill through 4 inches of wood, then 5 inches of brick to bring in the lineset from outside
>along with running new PVC flue pipe
>also running new power wire for the outside
>reorganizing all wiring for new setup as new equipment is much shorter and less wide than old equip
>a good amount of sheet metal for duct to connect, extreme offset on three sides due to new equip size
>all of this has to be done in one day, starting at 8am, and hopefully done before it gets too late
>because you have to go to a new house to do, most likely, this same shit tomorrow for someone else. and then again the day after
>and you have a two man crew. you will not be getting any other help

service work is often easy. installs suck ass because the people who sell them for your company, often don't know shit and just figure "oh yea we can move that to the other side of your house no problem"

I've done installs where the home owner is also having drywall done. those fuckers just cut shit to size, slap it up, and screw it in. only difficult thing is simply the weight of the dry wall sheets. which is nothing compared to caring out some 300lbs monster gravity flue 1950s furance up stairs, around corners, and then down stairs of a porch.

>> No.1679203

What trade should i try to get into if I'm a lazy fuck?

>> No.1679204

>>1679203
unionized road work

>> No.1679208

>>1679112
remember kids: grinder and paint makes you the welder you ain't!!!

>> No.1679209

>>1679203
>>1679204
Kind I know got a job the summer out of HS making $37/hr holding signs on the side of the highway. He was some wop from a private school though so I’m sure he had family dealing with the union.

>> No.1679212

>>1679208
that phrase is such utter bullshit, any welder with the slightest amount of experience knows that paint brings out flaws way more often than it hides them

>> No.1679219

>>1679204
>>1679086
its deionized not unionized

>> No.1679220

>>1679219
does that one still turn the frogs gay?

>> No.1679221

>>1679212
Autism speaks, but im not listening

>> No.1679222

>>1679221
I'm sorry facts get in the way of your weekend warrior memes.

>> No.1679224

>>1678868
They rotate. They're only alowed to dig or operate a power tool for so long before they're required to stop and rest.
With jackhammers especially it is a prevention measure against white finger disease and nerve damage

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vibration_white_finger

>> No.1679226

>>1679224
Assblasted road """worker""" detected

>> No.1679227

>>1679226
Anyone who advocates that workers should damage their body for a menial paycheck should unironically kill themselves.

>> No.1679353

>>1679227
Get a real job then. Start programming.

>> No.1679364

>>1679018
i want this job

>> No.1679368

>>1679353
It transcends the trades friend,
Programmers working 60+ hours a week and having to be on call during the weekend can be just as harmful to your mind and body.

Never become a slave to your employer and allow them to ruin your one and only body.

>> No.1679502

>>1678841
AAHAHAHA!

>lazy
>trades.


Bosses

>> No.1679503

>>1678847
I dont smoke but i wake up about once a month with my arm in the air grabbing at levers

>> No.1679505

>>1678879
Kek. Where that meme with 1 guy digging and 12 fags labeled as bosses watching?

>> No.1679506

>>1679086
This

>> No.1679745

>>1679068
The building has been on fire with the power on all day.

>> No.1679746

>>1679745
More than once.

>> No.1679747

>>1679203
Civilian Federal Employee. The road to it is this. Join military(preferably reserves), become proficient in a maintenance field, ask about federal employment, copy a current employees resume word for word (minus name and dates), apply to ever maintenance job you're qualified for, make 25$+ an hour average with full federal benefits and pension at the end. If you stay reserves you also earn towards your mil retirement.

>> No.1679782

what about hvac, cnc machinists and foremans' sons in any kind of trade?

>> No.1679789

>>1678841
welding requires you to be comfy to do good.

>> No.1679979

>>1679212
thats the point
it makes a good welder look like a shitter

>> No.1679986

>>1679782
Fucking HVAC shitters work the least out of any trade

>> No.1680015

refrigeration maintenance
stick your temp probe in, wait for it to cycle on and off a few times
twiddle the stat till the numbers are in range
move to the next cooler

>> No.1680180

>>1679010
I'm maint in a factory. It's a God damn joke and I hate it most days kek. I show up for 3-4 12s and most of it is literally watching paint dry or sitting around for half the shift

>> No.1680207

Car body work is hard

>> No.1680223

>>1678847
Which is hilarious because wireless thermometers exist and are cheap as hell.

Fuckin boomers

>> No.1680226

>>1679151
Ffs what a couple of fuckin idiots. A wire or copper pipe bumped across the posts throws a spark just fine.

I used to win free drinks all the time as a kid.

>i will start the bonfire fire naked holding only this 2 foot strand of bailing wire.

Fuel guage was already fucked on my 82 chevy so I'd just stab a small piece of rag and fold the wire in have. Get some gas on it, strike it off the battery, and toss it on a bunch of dry grass.

Mcguiver a shit.

>> No.1680227

>>1679208
I'm making these stickers and tagging all my pipeline bros beds with em. Thanks!

>> No.1680228

>>1679212
>MUH
>FLAT
>BLACK

>> No.1680229
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1680229

>>1679221
Kek. Here, i made this for you.

>> No.1680230

>>1679224
What a bunch of fucking faggots... if you cant run a jackhammer 14 hours a day get a fucking desk job pussys. Fucking roads aint gonna build themselves

>> No.1680365
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1680365

>>1680230
t. useful idiot
Please familiarize yourself with the signs and symptoms of nerve and blood vessel damage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFKy2YBz1aM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b4iyE_mP9g

There is no cure, it is irreversible.

>> No.1680433
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1680433

>>1679204
this

this highway project took 20 years to finish. I went through grammar school, high school, college, and work before they finished everything. every time you would see them working on it, 20 of them were sitting on their ass.

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1680462

>>1680433
amazing that none of the signage changed in twenty years...

>> No.1680466

>>1680462
that's nj for you, they finally built a mall after 30 years of pussyfooting and corruption

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Dream_Meadowlands

>> No.1680498

>>1679005
Factory Maintenance guy here, this shit is the cats ass. Sit around and watch YouTube most of the time and if shit breaks all the techs just mog the problem in an hour or so.

>> No.1680500

>>1679203
Instrumentation and controls

>> No.1680528

Manufacturing shift maintenance. I once went two weeks without a single call.

2nd place to cylindrical grinder operators, 1 hour of set up then 11 hours of reading the newspaper.

>> No.1680534

>>1680528
>1 hour of set up then 11 hours of reading the newspaper
Man! I don't know if I could withstand a full twelve hour shift.
- all that work! -

>> No.1680540

>>1680462
I have to assume that their pic related is meant to display the contrast of an efficient culture, such as Japan.

>> No.1680546

You can really tell based on the comment who's never worked long or hard hours, or the ones speaking from experience in the workforce.

>> No.1680562

>>1680462
Read the file name.

>> No.1680564

>>1680562
>Read the file name.
I did.
The signs are in asia-scratch
when the response was
>>1680466
>that's nj
I just wrote it off as some bullshit and a photoshop
>I've seen pixels before...

>> No.1680565

>>1680226
Why did you have to be naked though?

>> No.1680569

>>1679986
I do cnc at carrier. I can make any tech look good. The company only cares about safety. Quality and production take a back seat. Every manager says we don't want you to work harder but if you need overtime that's great

>> No.1680571

>>1679177
My guy people don't understand the struggle of new installs. I had to army crawl through about 60 feet of fiberglass with no more than a foot and a half of vertical room, dragging the bucket with the flex attached because there wasn't enough room to attach the flex after the bucket was installed. People want to bitch and moan that HVAC guys are lazy, when they don't have to crawl through everyones bullshit 150-160 degree attic.

Fuck new installs. Now service on the other hand is gucci AF, all you have to do is walk up and go "yup this is whats fucked", swap the part, throw the customer an invoice and bounce.

>> No.1680580

>>1680462
oh anon, im sorry, some minor confusion. I was describing some road work they were doing on a highway near my city. It took them 20somethin years to complete it. Everytime you would see construction guys, they would just be walking around. And every time there's a road closed, these fuckers aren't doing shit. Everybodies late for work or stuck in traffic because they're taking their sweet time.

as for the picture, i was looking for a picture comparing american road construction and japanese. the american version never got fixed. but the japanese version got "fixed in 6 days"

>> No.1680582

>>1678841
Boiler Operators/Power Engineers

>t. boiler operator that can polish off a novel in a weekend of night shifts without even skimping on any of the essential chores

>> No.1680585

>>1679353
are you shitposting or do you actually think a 'career' that is going to be 100 percent Pajeets in the next five years is a good path for anyone?

>> No.1680590

>>1680585
I'm about to enroll in programming as a career choice.

I shouldn't?

>> No.1680704

>>1680546
Found the seething dumb tinner scum

>> No.1680726

Rod busters.

>> No.1681164

>>1679169
I did framing for a year and HVAC for many years after. Framing is dumb factory like hard work and HVAC is creative hard work. There are a hundred decisions per job to consider and the work is broad scoped with electrical, plumbing, and mechanical problems to solve. The repair side is very logic orientated. To perform a good job takes both brain, brawn, and a shit load of knowledge and thoroughness. Also with out a wide range of instruments, equipment and intelligence it can not be preformed safely.

>> No.1681168

>>1680433
It collapsed again a few weeks later.

>> No.1681184

painters, plasterers and tilers. any form of decorator is likely a lazy fuck

>> No.1681249

>>1681184
tiling is far from lazy

>> No.1681274

>>1680571
i dont get why anyone would work residential hvac
its like being in hell

>> No.1681620

>>1678846
kek

>> No.1681728

>>1679782
>foreman's son

The only correct answer

>> No.1681729

>>1680230
Imagine being such a corporate cuck that you think losing your fingers for your employer makes you a better employee.

>> No.1681731

>>1681164
This. I was doing framing work under the table from 15 on. If a pot smoking, skateboard riding, slightly chubby high school kid can do it with no real difficulties, it ain't hard.

>> No.1681801

>>1680365
do shit like lawnmowers give you that? that spooks me now

>> No.1681816

Painters.

>> No.1681821
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1681821

If you consider landscaping a trade, definitely that. I worked at a ton of landscaping companies when I was hustling to get money quick and easy. If you have any bit of work ethic and aren't a drunk, drug addict, or pothead, you're a god to the owner of the company. I felt like I was directing a bunch of monkeys and I was the youngest one there. They were slow, unstable, always calling in, and took breaks to smoke weed every opportunity they had. God I hated it. The crewleader would hop on a zero-turn immediately and leave me to organize the shitfest. Every company, every yard. I got promoted to crew leader after about a week at each one I worked at.

>> No.1681831

>>1681801
>does your lawn mower have the engine mounted in the push bar?
>do you mow your lawn for 6 hours at a time 6 days a week 50 weeks a year
If the answer to either of these questio?ns is no, you don't have anything to worry about.

>> No.1681832

>>1681821
>be a landscaper
>not being a drunk, drug-addicted pothead
Anon, I'm sorry, but you did it wrong.

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1682851

what do you think of low volt av lighting and shade integrators?
>t. crestron lutron savant network programmer

>> No.1682856

>>1678847
>I’ve seen a lot of HVAC guys where there is a second dude standing around just to tell the first if the air is hot or cold yet.
To be fair to the HVAC guys, there are a lot of parts of the job that really need two people so half time you have a one man job being done by two. Balancing systems is a big one, having to pick up and put down the flow hood to make notes eats up a surprising amount of time, that second person walking around with the clipboard writing down flow rates and making notes save a shitload of time, Cuts time down to a quarter of what it takes for one man, and eight if a ladder is needed to get to the vents.

System balancing was a good gig, sometimes I think about going back to it, but fuck it can be tedious.

>> No.1682861

>>1680433
lolwut! In wich backward 4th world country do you live? This is about one year of well planned work in any modern country with reasonable work ethics.

>> No.1682869

>>1680180
Aren't you allowed to watch something on your phone if you have nothing to do.

>> No.1682934

>>1682861
NJ, USA

I've heard it over the years, as rumors. Crime and corruption, there are several mafioso tv shows and movies and even hacky jokes about it. Regular budget cuts. And of course Unions are willing to raise hell. Projects just take damn forever. My car has years of damage from shitty pothole-filled roads that were never fixed.

Today, I'm not so sure if there's as much crime going on, too many eyes. I'm starting to notice a lot of road work and projects being completed in the last 3-4 years. Roads are finally being paved. Bridges are being repaired. They even redid the entire sidewalk in my neighborhood.

>> No.1682947

>>1678958
>1 man

This is bullshit. You guys don't have ratio requirements in your union? How do you train apprentices ?

Also there are things that just can't be safely done with 1 man.

>> No.1683579

>>1680433
The pictures I this post were taken less than a month apart. Google- 'Japanese road reopens one week after sinkhole'

What compelled you to say that?

>> No.1683676

>>1683579
missing context reread my reply here >>1680580

the image and my anecdote are mismatched

>> No.1683754

>>1681184
you're an idiot

>> No.1683755

>>1681821
>The average wage for a Landscape Crew Lead is $11.21 per hour.
bruh..

>> No.1683756

>>1682934
There's always corruption. Everyone is always trying to make money off of someone else whether it be in communist shitholes or capitalist wealthy states. The only way to fix this is a Nazbol revolution.

>> No.1683843

2 words
Dry
Wallers

>> No.1684147
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1684147

>>1678841
>REEEEEE WHY ARENT YOU DELIBERATELY RUINING YOUR BOOODDDYYYY

Suck it queers, I’ll be sure to get extra comfortable tomorrow at work

>> No.1684514

>>1680230
The people that talk like this, the kind that don't use ear plugs to prove they're tough, dont wear gloves just to get their hands dirty cause it makes them feel cool, please state your trade because only the most inexperienced unemployed fool on earth would talk this way. I'm sure youll feel badass when you have a 3/4 long steel chip lodged behind your eyeball and the doc says your visions never coming back

>> No.1684515

Nobody has said machinists yet? your first two years are literally nothing but pressing a green button and watching a machine run for 30 min at a time. A lot of places let you get on your phone too because its so mindless.

>> No.1684526

>>1684515
I'm no machinist but I've worked in production with lathes and milling machines and it's honest work
just because it ain't backbreaking doesn't mean it's for the lazy

>> No.1684530

>>1678841
>lazy man bad
fuck off work is for faggots

>> No.1684531

why do boomers think they're badass because their employers are cunts and put them to work under shitty conditions?
I've met a mexican welder who acted all high and mighty and refused to use a mask and instead used sunglasses. he even told me he used to do underwater jobs and constantly got shocked. wtf you dumb spic is your pride worth more than your life? no wonder why everyone hires them

>> No.1684551

>>1678847
There used to be this machinist at the shop i used to work at that was this person. He could have that thing in his mouth and look down at shit and the smoke would go straight into his eyes and not even bother him.

>> No.1684554

>>1682947
Dude wut. Not that anon, but no. No one gives a shit about safety, and they especially don't give a shit about paying anyone that isn't already a veteran.

>> No.1684566

>>1684515
Calling "burger flippers" Machinist.

>> No.1684648

>>1684531
well, that guy sounds retarded as fuck but I used to weld underwater and it's normal to get shocked. you get shocked all the time diving

>> No.1684684

>>1684648
can vouch

I once took a rood to my 77. MAKE IT COLD!

>> No.1684901

>>1681821
You mean grass cutting? Real landscaping, i.e. shovel work, laying pavers, etc. is a bitch.

>> No.1685099

>>1678841
Any millwright/electrician at any automotive plant. They replace fuses and put oil in machines. Any real work that needs to be done is done by contractors.

Lazy useless fucks.

t. tool and die maker at a top 5 automotive supplier.

>> No.1685107

>>1685099
Hm?

I've worked with traveling millwrights and they were working 12+ hr shifts moving machinery heavy enough to crush anybody. They're have some of the tightest deadlines, especially in the food processing industry. Owners expect the line to get back an running within 24 hrs of install because construction meant destroying an existing line (and thus losing money for not operating).

They grind, weld, lift some crazy fucking machinery, do some of the craziest shit I've seen.

Electricians are eh. We use cable tray and at any plant there's a shit load of cable to manage.

t. sparky apprentice

>> No.1685142

>>1685107
I don't know anything about millwrights at all, but we hired a former millwright and he was the laziest piece of shit I've ever met in my entire life. I hated that fucker so much

>> No.1685149

>>1680500
This. Instrumentation is a fucking cakewalk. Most of the job involves sitting around waiting for shit to break.

t. ex-mechanic

>> No.1685271

>>1678846
ah fuck thats me, I will find literally any excuse to not work and still get paid

>> No.1685298

>>1679172
Ducting is only hard if you're a fat fuck.
I've yet to see a skinny HVAC guy.

>> No.1685603

>>1682947
These guys are full of shit. Maybe in midwestern states but if you go to a big state you get carded all the time and safety is retarded. Sending 1 guy to do a job for a year is probably the stupidest shit ive heard.

>> No.1685641

>>1685603
I wish I was joking. The job was bid at 1.5 man hours. The person has to call in the super in case he has anything which requires more than 1 man. When wire pulls happen, he has to call in a traveling person who helps out with wire pulls. Same thing when work in confined spaces is done.

I asked if he was given an apprentice. He said he only has an apprentice for maybe 8 days tops out of 3 months. (I was his apprentice for his quarter).

My contractor is insistent on "Lean Construction", they take it to extreme lengths. I've never worked under direct supervision of a journeymen.

I got literally fucking dispatched to another job where we only had two foreman, two journeymen and two apprentices on site to do an entire stadium's parking lot. One foreman was the GF, and he improvised the prints and worked along the GC. The other foreman ran work and was in charge of the field. One journey man's role was to direct an platoon of laborer's union to do trenching and everything non electrical. He had an apprentice. The other journeyman only did electrical, and he had an apprentice. The work overall is dead simple but a stadium of 70,000 had the entire parking lot's electrical work done by 6 electricians, 10 laborers within 1 year.

>> No.1685644

>>1685271
much appreciated anon, wife's prolly having an affair with a working man though