Americans actually pay $350,000 for WOODEN homes?

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Americans actually pay $350,000 for WOODEN homes? Anonymous Wed Jan 30 01:08:52 2019 No.1545728 [Reply] [Original]

The construction quality of the average American home seems to be on par with a European barn.
They look like they're made out of popsicle sticks and cardboard.
What about fires, termites, or strong gusts of wind?
No wonder American homes are always burning down or getting leveled by storms.
They're literally built like movie sets.
In Europe we use stone, brick, steel and concrete.
Americans actually take pride in owning and living in these tinderbox termite food barns?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 30 01:18:25 2019 No.1545729 You're just upset because you didn't get your wood licence. Btw if you don't stop bullying us I'll call the Euro police and tell them you don't like brown people, then they'll take away all your licenses, better watch ur arse m8

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 30 01:26:57 2019 No.1545730 Oh look, the weekly troll thread.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 30 01:40:57 2019 No.1545735 the property costs money. not necessarily the house itself.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 30 02:08:21 2019 No.1545744 >>1545728 you houses are build with rocks what is your point?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 30 02:14:50 2019 No.1545745 >>1545728 I'm agreeing with you op. Many are just not made to last.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 30 02:17:56 2019 No.1545746 >>1545728 Actually I am from Europe and bought a House (build 1990) which is build of wood and still has absolutely no proplems. It's the caftmanship that counts, not the materials.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 30 02:23:15 2019 No.1545748 Europoor is just mad that $350,000 is barely enough for a 1,000sqft apartment

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 30 03:00:55 2019 No.1545756 >>1545746 >1990 >30 years Come back in 300 years

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 30 03:01:26 2019 No.1545757 File: 143 KB, 600x600, DIY_BINGO.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1545728 Time to dust off this old chestnut... Let's see how far we can get before it bingos!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 30 03:17:28 2019 No.1545758 File: 40 KB, 700x1091, l-23099-another-one-bites-the-dust.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1545756 Guess I won't

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 30 03:22:55 2019 No.1545759 File: 136 KB, 1083x546, Wood-framed_house.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1545745 US has enough brick, concrete, and steel. Why build houses this way?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 30 03:29:42 2019 No.1545762 Planned obsolescence

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 30 03:31:01 2019 No.1545764 >>1545759 Because they are built to house 1 generation of people. Idk about you but I don't want to live in a house that smells of piss and decomposing skin.

Anonymous Wed Jan 30 03:52:46 2019 No.1545766
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>>1545728
you retarded, a large portion of houses are build with wood framing in europe

the difference is that the wood frames do not consist out of sticks like in OPs, it looks like a house out of toothpicks

i have never seen (structural) framing with wood that were less than 12x20cm timbers, even non structural walls you wouldnt use anything less than 8x10cm

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 30 03:54:11 2019 No.1545767 File: 597 KB, 1024x728, istockphoto-504826468-1024x1024.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1545766 also a most common thing is a wood framed roof on concrete/brick house again nothing like >>1545759 and >>1545728

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 30 04:17:33 2019 No.1545770 >>1545728 Why do the tranny's from /pol/ come here? Fuck off and stay in your nigger board.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 30 04:58:01 2019 No.1545775 >>1545759 They are cheaper to build. Americans don't think about the future - they live borrowed lives where everything is rented/on credit and leave nothing for their offspring after they kick the bucket.

Anonymous Wed Jan 30 04:59:48 2019 No.1545776

>>1545728
it is because long ago we took a good hard look at Europe and decided to manage our forests, engineer buildings to use materials effectively and wisely, keep our forests intact.

It is part of the reason why we still have apex predators and everything need to support them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 30 05:01:34 2019 No.1545777 >stone, brick, steel and concrete >one tiny little earthquake causes all your chimneys to fall off and walls to crack Brilliant.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 30 05:03:40 2019 No.1545779 "In Europe we use stone, brick, steel and concrete." Maybe in your country, here in Scandinavia we use wood. And its fine, most houses are still standing after 100 years

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 30 05:53:14 2019 No.1545788 >>1545728 what a dumb question, it's because in the us they don't have bricks you silly

Anonymous Wed Jan 30 06:25:46 2019 No.1545794

>>1545759
We are a fast food type of culture. After World War Two, we needed fast and cheap housing, and this works for us.
Also, our neighborhoods often attract lower socio-economic residents (negroes, beaners, etc) after a few decades of use, so we don’t build to stay.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 30 06:33:59 2019 No.1545800 >>1545788 Imagine the cost of having to import bricks from Europe

>>	Teal Table Guy Wed Jan 30 07:30:17 2019 No.1545813 >>1545728 I’d only pay that much for a mud hut. Thanks for the perspective, OP!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 30 08:13:56 2019 No.1545823 im looking into natural building methods someone redpill me on cob, rammed earth, staw bale, straw and light clay, and turf building and recommendations?

Anonymous Wed Jan 30 08:29:10 2019 No.1545827

>>1545794
>Also, our neighborhoods often attract lower socio-economic residents (negroes, beaners, etc) after a few decades of use, so we don’t build to stay.
This is probably the real answer.
White Americans always have white flight in the back of their minds.
Why build anything to last if you think the neighborhood might go to shit in a few decades and you'll have to sell, and possibly at a loss?

Anonymous Wed Jan 30 10:05:09 2019 No.1545860

>>1545728
>get penis mutilated at birth
>go into debt because university isn't free
>slave at some 40-hour-a-week job for decades to afford an overpriced wooden shack because "muh 'merican dream" propaganda
>sit in said wooden shack watching TV full of commercials
>think you live better than the rest of the world, when even a prisoner in Norway lives better than you

Anonymous Wed Jan 30 10:30:13 2019 No.1545875

>>1545794
you think germany didnt need cheap housing after WW2? yet i have never seen this kind of construction

mostly >>1545827 probably

and also greed, you would think with construction material like >>1545759
it would be dirt cheap, not much wood used, but in the end mcmansions cost as much than european stuff, so someone in the middle makes a big cut while skimping as much as possible in the result

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 30 10:48:11 2019 No.1545884 >>1545875 Or, the real answer is that american home construction is fine as it is. Very few houses get knocked down by wind or earthquakes or anything for that matter. If you maintain the roof an american house will last more than one lifetime.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 30 10:52:11 2019 No.1545885 Euros only think houses have to be concrete because they are subconsciously predisposed to fighting over Alsaice-Lorraine every 40 years.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 30 14:34:28 2019 No.1545954 File: 120 KB, 456x337, 1505157736365.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1545766 >uses actual timber for the framing >still sheathes it in osb

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 30 15:07:10 2019 No.1545967 >>1545764 The trick is to install a flushing lavatory.

Anonymous Wed Jan 30 15:28:48 2019 No.1545978

>>1545728
Europoors cant afford 350k for a home?
350k in US are 3 years of work for a household. That house can fit 4-5 people, has huge garage and nice backyard and plenty of curbappeal.

Tell me how your shitty 60m2 apartment with 1 bedroom is any better for 80k EUR?

Anonymous Wed Jan 30 15:34:56 2019 No.1545984

>>1545860
>gets raped by Muhamed by the age of 13 and 5-10 times until 18 or gets to eat the grill of some freedom truck at a Christmas festival
>never gets rich because he thinks there is such thing as "free" when his 60% taxes are paying for it, and there is no opt-out mechanism. Unlike, not going to uni if you don't have the money or the degree is not worth it.
>slave 40h / week for decades to afford an overpriced concrete shack because "muh psuedo intellectual suffering in EU dream" propaganda by Marxists from the public and free school that indoctrinates him
>sit in said concrete (30m2) shack watching TV full of commercials
>think you live better than any self-made american, when even the poorest man in Texas lives better than you

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 30 15:36:26 2019 No.1545988 >>1545728 >OSB for roof sheathing (((Contractor Job Security 101)))

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 30 16:40:06 2019 No.1546040 File: 131 KB, 364x852, America.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1545728

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 30 18:58:56 2019 No.1546129 File: 557 KB, 1148x777, BC2A4441-400A-45B5-AC53-DA6E3EB27FD5.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1545875 What were germany’s Construction materials for single family housing ( low-price market)?

Anonymous Wed Jan 30 19:15:45 2019 No.1546142

>>1545728
>$350,000
OP, this thread is shitty bait to begin with, but you could have at least bothered to find out what a new single-family home in the U.S. actually costs these days. I don't think you can even get a backyard tool shed for that little money anymore, not new anyway.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 30 19:36:21 2019 No.1546151 >>1545728 I asked about a concrete home and contractor man says the gobbament doesnt like houses they cant burn down so it's illegal or somethin

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 30 20:26:33 2019 No.1546171 >>1546142 Get away from the big metros, single family homes are closer to $100,000. We have 250,000 people in the area, median house price was 130k last year.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 30 22:25:31 2019 No.1546229 >>1545978 >350k in US are 3 years of work for a household In Alabama, that represents an entire lifetime of work (or welfare, take yer choice)

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 00:15:42 2019 No.1546263 >>1545884 Lmfao maintain? What's there to maintain on your typical amerimutt asphalt shingles? More like repeal and replace which kind of defeats the purpose because the pieces of shit don't even last half a lifetime

Anonymous Thu Jan 31 00:18:00 2019 No.1546264

>>1545984
Bro I live on the east coast (not same guy) and America blows. Maybe in the midwest where you can do anything its better but suburbia and the urban areas are trash cuz everything is expensive with shitty public transportation, no public transportation or fuckin traffic

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 00:21:37 2019 No.1546267 >>1545978 >3 years of work for a household >3 years >3 >Average amerimutt income is around 50k a year >Amerimutt education More like 20+ years if you aren't living off of your parents back you fucking faggot

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 00:35:13 2019 No.1546271 >>1546263 >repeal and replace kek

Anonymous Thu Jan 31 01:16:52 2019 No.1546282
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>>1545728
>In Europe we use stone, brick, steel and concrete.
Why don't you eat a bucket of shit OP?

The tallest wooden structure in the world is being built in Europe

I's a fucking skyscraper made of wood.

https://archinect.com/news/article/150084833/the-world-s-tallest-timber-tower-structurally-tops-out-in-norway

Everyone likes wood. Only the concrete autists are constantly bashing it for no reason. Get a life or KYS

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 01:17:13 2019 No.1546283 >>1545775 Our government takes something like 75% and apparently no one cares. People here are fucking stupid. I think it's all the fluoride. I stay away from the stuff.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 01:19:10 2019 No.1546284 >>1546282 oh boy, pls tell me the architects behind this aren't women

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 02:30:51 2019 No.1546297 >>1546283 Know what shark tooth enamel is made out of?

Anonymous Thu Jan 31 04:11:54 2019 No.1546306

Legacy timber construction was fucking awesome. Grew up in a house built in the 20's that was solid as hell.

Modern construction is shit. I'm a firefighter and while fire resistance has gotten better overall, the use of gusset plates and glue for joining rafters and shit makes fires and roof operations extremely dangerous on modern homes.

Anonymous Thu Jan 31 04:15:56 2019 No.1546307

>>1546267
>350k
>2 working adults in a household
>Woman makes 50k, the man makes 80k, total 140k, all after taxes, they actually make more
>To get a house you need at least 20% of the price upfront, or youll have hard time paying later

If you are alone and make only 50k after 30 you are loser. And even then you can own a 150-200k home without any problem.

Keep in mind with the huge house and whatnot, most people own at least 2-3 vehicles, worth more than your concrete bunker.

Anonymous Thu Jan 31 04:27:21 2019 No.1546309

>>1546264
Bro, I am from East Europe, born and raised in the commie times, been working all my life in the west Europe after my family moved. And recently I managed to get green card and move to Texas.

America is glorious, even the places you are talking about.

Public transportation is something we have for granted in EU, but owning a car and being independent is 3 times more expensive (costs, taxes and insurance compared to the average income).

If you rely on public transportation in US I have discovered you might be:
>a) Tourist
>b) crackhead
>c) homeless
>d) You are in NYC and you are either of the above

Outside of the 3-4 mega cities in US (and even there) you can drive your own vehicle without problem. And traffic is something that I don't know how there are people still whining about it, even now with google and whatnot. You start your commute earlier, make adjustments on your route etc. and you can beat the traffic np.

If a poor east block immigrant can start a life in the low populated areas and have high paying job, whats stopping you? Living in the big city is for 19 yo, thots and big cash guys. If you are not on Wall St. you are losing money on opportunity cost every day when you are not carpenter in some nice little town in a non-liberal state.

I dare you to live a peaceful and meaningful life in EU. I never want to leave here. Best country in the world, period.

Anonymous Thu Jan 31 04:34:23 2019 No.1546310

>>1546229
So people in Alabama are making a little more than 5000 a year? If they are not retarded, why dont you just move to a better place (in case you are blaming the place)

Stop with the whining and get to work. 350k is something you should have saved from 18-28 range of your life, and if you are going to university you are going to pay it nevertheless, its up to you to choose a well paying profession that you cant otherwise work without a uni degree.

So it all boils down to choices you make. 350k is nothing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 04:37:57 2019 No.1546311 >>1545954 its clearly not gonna be exposed so i dont see any issue, the outer walls will have a punch of layers

Anonymous Thu Jan 31 04:47:38 2019 No.1546314
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>>1546129
after WW2? dunno mostly bricks and stones i would say, timber also, often mixed

before that, classical old german houses were timber with clay/hay mix between them, but that depends on location i guess, houses like that are still standing, and by some enthusiasts even build new today

pic related is build in 1484

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 04:49:42 2019 No.1546315 File: 220 KB, 902x571, Stones.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >2019 >still not building a thousand-year domestic reich the absolute state

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 06:00:45 2019 No.1546323 >>1545728 I'm guessing cheaper to build and less rain/higher temps so not so many problems with rot?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 06:01:49 2019 No.1546324 >>1545954 you must be relatively stupid

Anonymous Thu Jan 31 06:42:05 2019 No.1546328

>>1546282
>Everyone likes wood. Only the concrete autists are constantly bashing it for no reason.

I like wood too.

But an American style house is not a desirable structure. There is as much plastic and synthetic material in it as there is wood.

I like seeing the construction methods but it is really just a couple of guys knocking up a shack. Which is why one breezy boi obliterates a whole state.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 06:47:13 2019 No.1546333 >>1545764 I don't wanna know how you live lol

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 07:22:43 2019 No.1546346 File: 1.33 MB, 4320x3240, img_1648[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1546328 >But an American style house is not a desirable structure. What about the Swedish style house? They're almost identical.

Anonymous Thu Jan 31 08:16:18 2019 No.1546359

Europe has much higher standards for wooden constructions compared to the USA

everything is hard defined by laws and norms with decades of research and updated norms every 4 years

Look up Eurocode 5
or the DIN 1955-1-1

but as for American housing most people here are right, these things are made as cheap and fast as possible and not meant to last

sure they take some konstruktive measures to delay rot as much as possible but that's about it

Anonymous Thu Jan 31 08:50:23 2019 No.1546376

>>1546309
Not the guy you're replying to, but I love hearing from guys like you. It reminds me how good my country is, and makes me proud that I live in a place that makes immigrants love it and consider it home moreso than the places they were born. God bless you slavbro

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 08:54:18 2019 No.1546378 >>1545728 Thry pay mostly for the property, just like in europe, you complete retard. Also, baloon-framed houses can last several lifetimes if build and maintained properly.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 10:06:32 2019 No.1546409 >>1546378 >baloon-framed houses what about the platform framed?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 10:38:24 2019 No.1546423 >>1545728 European Barn would actually be preferable to a lot of these buildings in North America, because a lot of those will Barnes a fucking Timber frames

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 10:50:19 2019 No.1546426 >>1545875 We also spent over $100 billion rebuilding Europe with the Marshall plan

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 10:53:14 2019 No.1546428 You never see Americans making these kind of threads about Europeans. Wonder why that is.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 10:55:37 2019 No.1546429 >>1545756 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borgund_Stave_Church

Anonymous Thu Jan 31 11:05:24 2019 No.1546431
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>>1546428
>Wonder why that is.

1. americans are not obsessed with europe like they are obsessed with us
2. we don't have a clue as to how modern construction is done in europe
3. we don't care how modern construction is done in europe

a lot of europe looks rather comfy, to be honest

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 11:26:50 2019 No.1546447 I bought my house for $40k. Thicc bricc walls. Slate roof that lasts forever. Built by Americans before Jews took over.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 11:29:08 2019 No.1546450 >>1545728 Because houses are a consumable you’re supposed to replace every couple of decades

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 12:37:15 2019 No.1546489 >>1545728 Why are euros all so ignorant about construction? There is only one reason platform framing is not the norm in your country. You don't have enough lumber.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 12:54:50 2019 No.1546496 >>1546307 >hi, I live in a bubble and have done so for so long that I am this delusional.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 13:15:10 2019 No.1546502 >>1546307 This is why everyone hates rich people.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 13:17:07 2019 No.1546503 >>1546309 Enjoy your $100k medical bills traitor.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 13:36:51 2019 No.1546512 >>1546503 upboated

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 14:03:48 2019 No.1546528 >>1545984 This. Topest of kek

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 14:39:04 2019 No.1546542 >>1546307 Nice wishful thinking there retarded amerimutt. >"Oh shit he pointed out my retardedness. Hurr durr, durr hurr, let me change the scenario and add some fictitious fabricated shit so it makes sense."

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 17:28:50 2019 No.1546650 File: 804 KB, 2272x1704, 1548860217049.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why do American houses melt when it rains?

Anonymous Thu Jan 31 18:02:27 2019 No.1546666

> Autists on both sides believing 'muh material is better than urs'
> Not building houses based on the requirements of the local environment

Taking consideration of an area's vernacular architecture is more important than 'ogga booga brick is good'. E.g. stilt houses in Asia may look like shitty twig buildings, but they're incredibly practical and suited to their environment - a masonry building in that environment would be totally inappropriate.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 18:07:43 2019 No.1546672 >>1546666 That brings up a good point and part of the reason why stick built structures have become wide spread, they are remarkably adaptable to different conditions.

Anonymous Thu Jan 31 19:48:14 2019 No.1546731

>>1546306
Gusset plates hold up to heat, the main issue is osb, we would be better off going old school and laying 1 by, however the cost of material as well as engineering stronger trusses (up here every roof truss must be engineered due to snow load, no more rafter builds) greatly outweighs the benefits.

Anonymous Thu Jan 31 20:05:31 2019 No.1546747

>>1546731
>Gusset plates hold up to heat
The issue is not the gusset plates themselves as the other anon incorrectly stated. It is that trusses gain their strength from a "complex" arrangement of smaller framing members than would be required if conventionally framed. e.g. a fire only has to eat through one or two 2x4s to compromise an entire truss.
>(up here every roof truss must be engineered due to snow load, no more rafter builds)
Where do you live? I live in northern new england and have been cutting roofs out of 2x10s and 2x12s for a decade. With LVL and TJI rafters now an option I can't imagine a place on earth whose snow loads would mandate trusses.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 20:12:49 2019 No.1546751 >>1546747 Try Minnesota. And yes, trusses are complex but when dry and with laterals correctly installed are very sturdy. If you're talking post framed however we don't use trusses.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 20:12:57 2019 No.1546752 >>1546346 >Sweden The literal cuckold hole of Europe.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 20:13:59 2019 No.1546753 >>1546672 >Wide spread Where outside of America?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 20:16:11 2019 No.1546755 >>1546747 Also I'll have to look into a tji roof system, maybe for a flat roof but tjis seem redundant for anything but a floor system.

Anonymous Thu Jan 31 20:25:56 2019 No.1546764

One of these threads again..

>>1545735
fuck yeah, I was listening to this Bulgarian guy talked about the size of the bathroom at the fancy hotel where he was staying and how it is the size his living room back home. But that's just the norm in any wooden house that would cost above 300k is likely to have at least a big bathroom

Anonymous Thu Jan 31 20:39:31 2019 No.1546770
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>>1546751
>trusses are complex but when dry and with laterals correctly installed are very sturdy.
I agree. I was only speaking to the firefighter's concern about how they more easily and quickly compromised by fire than a conventionally framed roof.
>>1546755
Honestly they suck. Heavy, expensive, require more hangers, and even worse than trusses in a fire situation than trusses due to the glue that holds them together. I've only used them as rafters a handful of times on some large customs, as you can get some pretty crazy spans with them.

I looked up your snow loads, They're lower than mine which range from 49 to 70. So there's no reason that should be stopping you from conventionally framing roofs, though I'm not sure what style of roof is common in your area as that could certainly affect it. I frame single family houses, generally simple gables 8-12 pitch with 2x10-12 rafters that span 20-40'. Finished attics are common.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 20:51:33 2019 No.1546776 File: 32 KB, 1024x780, 32165165166548.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1545728 >What about fires, termites, or strong gusts of wind? what about the wrath of the US? We turned a brick city into a fuckin firestorm. Stay in your lane

Anonymous Thu Jan 31 20:54:35 2019 No.1546777

>>1546753
How would I know, but America has a rather large climate range from sub tropic to artic, rain forest, desert and tropical, we have a little bit of everything, and stick built has been adapted to them all. I know it is easy for foreigners in their tiny countries to think that a country pretty much contains just one climate.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 20:56:47 2019 No.1546780 >>1545764 >decomposing skin Mind explaining the thought process you went through to write that?

Anonymous Thu Jan 31 20:57:51 2019 No.1546782

>>1546770
Finished attics aren't common here in modern residential, on top of that we have to maintain certain r value/airflow passages. No batt attic insulation here, we even blow in 12 inch vaults. Gotta love Minnesota's fucked code book. All our roofs are mostly standard, although I've been getting prints with 12s and witches hats way more often these last couple years.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 20:58:01 2019 No.1546783 File: 386 KB, 2048x2732, 1542399446525.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >what about the wrath of the US? We turned a brick city into a fuckin firestorm. Stay in your lane

Anonymous Thu Jan 31 20:59:33 2019 No.1546784

>>1546770
>So there's no reason that should be stopping you from conventionally framing roofs,

We do use them, all over, just watched one go up across the street. The state building code is fairly broad with counties filling it out, that other Minnesotan must be in a fairly strict county, suspect down around the cities.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 21:00:58 2019 No.1546786 >>1546782 Northern MN is full of finished attics, what county you in?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 21:02:28 2019 No.1546787 >>1546784 >>1546786 This, all over South Central MN as far north as St cloud.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 21:07:39 2019 No.1546791 >>1546787 Duluth is about as far south as I get, guess we get a little more freedom up here in the wilds.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 21:09:46 2019 No.1546794 >>1546791 Can't even build an outhouse over here without the city checking up on you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 21:14:37 2019 No.1546798 >>1546794 That's just Minnesota, can't build out houses within something like 125 feet of water or anywhere within designated wetlands or water sheds, so pretty much no where in the state.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 21:21:38 2019 No.1546801 >>1546798 Don't let the inspector up to the cabin then. In all seriousness though, looks like only a few counties are allowing hot roofs these days.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 00:22:11 2019 No.1546884 >>1546780 You know faggot like skin? Skin cells? The shit that covers your body? The largest organ of your body? No?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 00:23:59 2019 No.1546887 >>1546776 >Implying amerimutt shitholes would fair any better against bombs

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 00:26:48 2019 No.1546890 Americans are stupid and defend their stupidity (terribly). I hate Americans.

Anonymous Fri Feb 1 00:35:59 2019 No.1546892

>>1546884
In what kind of environment one has to live for it to allow diminute and dry organic material to rise up their adherence, clump up together and stick in any non-wood material in a way that by the time all of this has happened it still has the ability of producing aromatic chemicals with a concentration strong enough for it to be remotely noticeable?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 01:11:58 2019 No.1546898 >>1546892 Jesus, you could have just said that we clean our homes like reasonable people.

Anonymous Fri Feb 1 01:20:35 2019 No.1546899

>>1546898
No, one thing is writing a incredibly retarded post based on your real life experience as a pajeet living between rocks besides the Ganges and one completely different thing is to believe European houses are some kind of extregeometrical dwellings where tormented souls and unbloody corpses twist reality and sometimes Cthulhu drops by.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 02:32:29 2019 No.1546909 >>1546899 >completely different thing is to believe European houses are some kind of extregeometrical dwellings where tormented souls and unbloody corpses twist reality and sometimes Cthulhu drops by. Clearly never been to France.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 04:45:01 2019 No.1546940 >>1545729 Hahah rekt faggot OP

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 05:24:31 2019 No.1546948 Are you suggesting we frame our houses with steel girders? You’re an idiot.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 06:13:03 2019 No.1546964 >>1546777 >Rain forest Lol fucking where?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 06:26:50 2019 No.1546970 >>1546964 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperate_rainforest Go back to school moron.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 06:29:04 2019 No.1546971 >>1546964 the other link disappeared for some reason. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaiian_tropical_rainforests

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 08:34:09 2019 No.1547029 >>1546971 They actually build stick houses in Hawaii? Hurricanes must not be too bad there. Fed up of hearing about your east coast devastations from a little breezy boi when 3rd world no code block houses stand strong and only take some roof damage.

Anonymous Fri Feb 1 10:14:51 2019 No.1547069

>>1547029
Lived on the east coast my whole life. Between 5 or six different houses and a few dozen hurricanes, I've not experienced a single bit of damage, save for a couple of flipped shingles one time on the oldest house. These devastation you hear about are often from the lowest socioeconomic regions. Trailer parks and white trash abominations with a bunch of unapproved cardboard addons. Not that I'm arguing for stick built, but when done even half decently, it does perfectly fine.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 13:23:02 2019 No.1547142 >>1547069 Interesting. What category hurricanes is your average McMansion rated to withstand?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 13:44:46 2019 No.1547148 >>1545728 In Europe we build our houses also out of wood. OP is an idiot.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 14:14:35 2019 No.1547159 >>1545756 >come back to life in 300 years to complain about your wooden house that was leveled for a new, even cheaper 3d printed or otherwise more technologically advanced home

Anonymous Fri Feb 1 14:17:02 2019 No.1547160

>>1546309
I love seeing immigrants who actually appreciate how incredible the United States is.
I'm on vacation in Peru right now and it blows my mind how people complain about the United States. There's no clean water here, power goes out all the time, and everybody wants to steal your wallet.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 15:06:41 2019 No.1547175 >>1545827 this

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 15:14:23 2019 No.1547179 >>1547148 speak for yourself snownigger

Anonymous Fri Feb 1 15:16:44 2019 No.1547180

>>1546264
I moved from New England to Missouri. I promise you a home in Suburbia in the former is better than the latter. Its almost a joke how some of the homes are built. DESU though, that whole "I'm a free American things" gets taken too far out heere because people think it's acceptable to leave rusted cars on the property and burn trash outside.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 16:28:11 2019 No.1547209 >>1545730 it's too autistic to be trolling desu apparently all of europe is commieblocks

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 16:38:29 2019 No.1547213 >>1547069 >Trailer parks and white trash abominations with a bunch of unapproved cardboard addons and with all the unsecured shit in the yards that the wind can pick up and throw at your house

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 16:55:12 2019 No.1547217 >>1546948 >amerimutt reading comprehension

Anonymous Fri Feb 1 17:07:50 2019 No.1547224

>>1547213
Yes, but that is a simple repair most of the time.

Most damage from hurricanes is from flooding, and how bad that damage is depends on how long the water takes to recede. Wood structures generally will be fine as long as the dry wall is pulled down within a suitable amount so they can dry out, damaged wood is easy to replace or sister. Masonry will be fine as long as the water recedes before the soil becomes saturated enough to cause the building to start sinking which generally destroys structural integrity, wood structures can flex here and remain stable.

Which one is better in a hurricane is largely dependent on the soil conditions of the exact locality. Wood houses on stilts are becoming quite common in storm surge areas since their lower weight reduces chances of sinking and the stilts make the flood waters a non issue.

Anonymous Fri Feb 1 17:48:05 2019 No.1547234

>>1545954

It's crazy isn't it?

>>1546311
>>1546324

OSB is never acceptable. EVER. Except the really expensive treated stuff, but at that price point you can buy solid mid-grade plywood, so again whats the point?
Reason's why OSB is garbage: Off gassing, very weak to water (unless its the super expensive treated stuff), promotes bad practices in construction and forestry. Better products can and are made for as cheap.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 18:19:54 2019 No.1547245 >>1545728 Hey cro-bro brick salesman, how's life?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 18:21:25 2019 No.1547248 >>1545729 This is rich coming from an American where "local zoning laws" are communism on sterioids.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 18:36:25 2019 No.1547254 >>1547248 Which zoning laws are you referencing? Be specific to ordinances that apply to all 50 states.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 19:31:12 2019 No.1547276 >>1547029 >They actually build stick houses in Hawaii? It's very common

Anonymous Fri Feb 1 21:44:45 2019 No.1547330

>>1547224

>Most damage from hurricanes is from flooding

That's only if you live on flat land in a flood plane.

The main destructive power of a hurricane is within the windforce.

If flooding is you main concern. That because you simply live in an area at risk of flooding. You don't need a hurricane to flood you out, but in hurricane alley it is only a hurricane that can rip off your roof.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 22:00:53 2019 No.1547336 >>1547330 >if you are not at risk of flooding wind is your main concern. Think that is obvious, flooding still causes new damage than wind.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 22:11:59 2019 No.1547337 File: 307 KB, 900x614, main_900.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1547336 Yep, a virgin soak causes more damage than a breezy boi. I truly believe that.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 22:13:17 2019 No.1547338 >>1547336 New? Fuck auto correct, MORE not new.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 22:14:37 2019 No.1547339 File: 68 KB, 700x700, delete.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1545729 >You're just upset because you didn't get your wood licence

Anonymous Fri Feb 1 22:15:07 2019 No.1547340
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>>1547337

Yep. Definitely these boats were flooded out. Nothing to do with wave action and unusual southernly winds.

You are just some retarded flat lander that thinks that floods are the only real problem.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 2 08:59:47 2019 No.1547483 >>1547234 What the fuck are you talking about? Bad practices? You still have to make a 2x4 and the chaff will still fall. OSB is the tater tots of lumber milling. If it's properly sealed and insulated, nothing is going to happen to it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 2 09:06:58 2019 No.1547485 File: 203 KB, 900x600, Stone House.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1546315 >All those runs in the masonry Pft, You need to build with solid stone anon.

Humble croatian red aerated te(...) Sat Feb 2 13:10:57 2019 No.1547616
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>>1545728
>Americans actually pay $350,000 for WOODEN homes?

if only it was wooden m8....it has more glue any polester in it that wood, imagine how does it effect health

>>	Humble croatian red aerated te(...) Sat Feb 2 13:12:53 2019 No.1547618 File: 108 KB, 1200x675, site zagreb brick concrete.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1547616 Virgin american OSB rot VS Chad croatian reinforced concrete flex

>>	Humble croatian red aerated te(...) Sat Feb 2 13:14:56 2019 No.1547621 File: 672 KB, 2457x2873, house_info.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1546431 those brit slate roofs are stunning!

Humble croatian red aerated te(...) Sat Feb 2 13:31:27 2019 No.1547633
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>>1546309
>I dare you to live a peaceful and meaningful life in EU. I never want to leave here. Best country in the world, period.

I kind of agree, are you a javacripter there?
This doesnt change the fact that their construction is bizzaro world.

>>1546282
>Everyone likes wood. Only the concrete autists are constantly bashing it for no reason. Get a life or KYS

We are bashing on bad foundations, bad roofs, OSB and sprayfoam insulation and other idiotic practices, that not only are shortlasting but also hazardous to people who live there.

>>1546142
>>1546171
>Get away from the big metros, single family homes are closer to $100,000. We have 250,000 people in the area, median house price was 130k last year.

that is rediculously cheap for yank standard income.

>>1547234
>OSB is never acceptable. EVER.

THIS. Not even doghouse can last if you do it from OSB.

Anonymous Sat Feb 2 14:26:09 2019 No.1547668

>>1546503
Why would I pay $100k? I have insurance, and believe me, I would pay 1M even, if it means I will get the proper treatment on time by a professional instead of waiting in line with heart attack, until you pay 5-10k (worth of year's salary for the avg Joe in east EU) under the table in bribe.

>>1547633
Actually I started as a carpenter, even tho I had programming experience in EU. Took me 2 years to find a job, related to my old job. I am Data Analyst now, helping AI guys. I really can't complain, I am so grateful. And if I ever lose this job for whatever reason, I must say that, every job in US is x2-x3+ times better paid than in EU. What people (leftiests from US) complain about is, mostly stuff that are related to taking responsibility over your actions. Like the higher taxes are good because they provide cheaper health care. Yes sure, this might be true in most cases, but if you take care of your own health and have insurance, you are better off saving those taxes and not paying for some tranny with aids or a heroin addict.

>>1546376
Another aspect I like in US, people do appreciate your effort and work ethic. Something, mostly unseen in EU. Especially in the post-commie shitholes. If you are not the son-in-law, the brother or friend of someone important, your skills/efficiency/knowledge etc. dosen't matter at all.

>>1547160
God Bless America

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 2 14:50:09 2019 No.1547684 >>1545756 >Come back in 300 years My house is a 200+ year old balloon frame. Not sure how old it is because it's on the first map of the area from 1800. Solid chestnut framing, slate roof, cedar siding and millwork...

Humble croatian red aerated te(...) Sat Feb 2 14:59:46 2019 No.1547693
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>>1545746
>t's the caftmanship that counts, not the materials.

nope, its the materials. You simply cant make a healthy pie with best cooks if only thing you got is shit

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 2 17:55:37 2019 No.1547833 File: 1.51 MB, 320x240, 1528548032928.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1545800 Surely you have clay?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 2 18:02:22 2019 No.1547842 >>1547833 are you trolling a troll?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 2 19:26:51 2019 No.1547912 >>1546970 >can't into commas >tells Anon to go back to school haha

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 2 19:28:27 2019 No.1547913 >>1547148 >All of Europe is the same faget

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 2 19:36:09 2019 No.1547920 >>1547224 >Changing weather patterns have forced developers to build more houses on stilts >Government still shills for its doners and denies climate change keke

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 2 19:38:33 2019 No.1547925 >>1547338 >phonefag

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 2 19:39:52 2019 No.1547926 >>1547483 >If it's properly sealed and insulated, nothing is going to happen to it Anon made that point, try reading.

Anonymous Sat Feb 2 19:47:59 2019 No.1547930

>>1547668
>Another aspect I like in US, people do appreciate your effort and work ethic. Something, mostly unseen in EU. Especially in the post-commie shitholes. If you are not the son-in-law, the brother or friend of someone important, your skills/efficiency/knowledge etc. dosen't matter at all.
I just got a £100 bonus because a customer complimented my work to my boss. Just because you didn't feel appreciated doesn't mean it's like that for everyone, Anon.

Anonymous Sat Feb 2 20:01:27 2019 No.1547937

>>1545728
European homes were built of stone to protect against christian crusaders and islamic armies. Why would an American home need to be built like a castle? Have you seen traditional Japanese houses before? And I recall an English university chemistry department made of wood burn down a few years ago. Some people just prefer wood.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 2 20:05:24 2019 No.1547938 >>1547937 >All Europeans lived in castles yeah ... nope.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 2 20:09:27 2019 No.1547940 >>1547912 >Criticizes my missing a comma. >Uses no punctuation at all. Haha.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 2 20:11:07 2019 No.1547941 >>1546309 Every europoor here should have this story memorized by now, it's been repeated enough.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 2 20:12:02 2019 No.1547943 >>1547940 >he thinks you need to use punctuation in greentext

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 2 20:15:30 2019 No.1547946 >>1547943 >he thinks he serves a purpose

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 2 20:17:18 2019 No.1547947 >>1547946 ;_;

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 2 20:24:32 2019 No.1547950 >>1547938 French country side is practically nothing but stone houses. Hell, even my family home in Poland is all rock too. Its scary

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 2 22:09:18 2019 No.1548003 >>1545728 They are marketed as green, organic and sustainable houses. Wood grows on trees.

Anonymous Sat Feb 2 23:28:03 2019 No.1548023
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>>1545728
>searches the internet for unfinished homes >specifically selects one that is at a particularly early stage of development
>claims that it is the blueprint used for all homes in the entire continental United States

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 3 00:15:25 2019 No.1548035 >>1545757 where don't jannies mop this mess up?

Anonymous Sun Feb 3 02:23:08 2019 No.1548086

>>1546542
work construction, hello 6 50k starting job at 18
work plumber, hello 70k starting
work electrician, hello 6 figure starting.

go to college and work in tech
hello 20k starting with 80k debt.
go med school, hello 80k collage, 120k med school, and all of this is before you get weeded out on if you can even do the job when life is on the line.

point is, trades pay quite a lot due to not having enough people to work them, they take 6 weeks to 28 weeks to get into and you get a job that cant be outsourced.

making good money isn't hard so long as you aren't cripple.

Anonymous Sun Feb 3 02:34:21 2019 No.1548091

>>1545728
Steel framed housing buckles, especially with earthquakes. When that happens, you need to replace whole sections of the house, which is tedious. more time consuming and more expensive to do. My city had 2 large earthquakes. All steel framed housing got fucked over since the frames buckled and bent. Timber flexes. When you use timber frames, its alot easier to cut and replace sections of the frames/trusses without ruining structural rigidity. And its cheaper

Anonymous Sun Feb 3 02:40:06 2019 No.1548094

>>1547213
>>1547069
with trailer parks, you pay around 5000$ for the land, 5-10000 for the trailer and if its not covered by that, a 5000$ moving fee, and there you go, you own a fairly good apartement, knowing my brother pays 1200$ in rent a month for a cat piss stained shit hole, a new trailer would be a great house to live in if you don't collect things.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 3 03:55:24 2019 No.1548125 >>1545860 >>1545984 One of these scenarios is demonstrably accurate, the other is a fiction. Both are invented and distributed by the powers that be to maintain control of the weak-minded.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 3 08:33:02 2019 No.1548209 >>1545729 >arse >m8 do you have a loicence for that trolling britfag?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 3 11:25:06 2019 No.1548286 >>1545728 I have a wooden home that was built in 1865, still going strong. Whats wrong with wooden construction?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 3 11:32:31 2019 No.1548290 >>1547693 That's clearly a design or implementation issue either with plumbing or wicking, even if that was plywood sheathing that would be a problem, or even masonry but with a longer timeframe.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 3 15:51:34 2019 No.1548443 File: 12 KB, 235x204, 1519224422827.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1546282 >wooden skyscraper Absolutely fuck that shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 3 16:00:13 2019 No.1548446 File: 56 KB, 600x600, 1548355507095.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1545728 What else is going to pay for our Black welfare?

Anonymous Sun Feb 3 16:05:19 2019 No.1548449

>>1547693
im not for osb on outside sheating but that water came from somewhere and thats your building error not the osb itself, which just lets it escalate quicker, even full timber would have put on mold at some point because their is coming water from somewhere..

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 3 16:06:21 2019 No.1548450 >>1545756 see >>1546314

Anonymous Sun Feb 3 16:10:26 2019 No.1548453

>>1547633
>>OSB is never acceptable. EVER.

>THIS. Not even doghouse can last if you do it from OSB.
because OSB is not meant be exposed to water no shit, for every other ACTUALLY INTENDED aspect its perfectly fine, dont blame the material blame the people that use it incorrectly because its cheap

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 3 21:08:03 2019 No.1548603 >>1545777 what earthquakes

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 3 21:55:25 2019 No.1548625 >>1546899 >t. based nematode

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 3 22:25:28 2019 No.1548641 >>1546328 >There is as much plastic and synthetic material in it as there is wood. Why is that bad? Plastics are durable and are literally the best bang for your buck in most applications. It's like you hate technology progress.

Anonymous Sun Feb 3 22:30:03 2019 No.1548645

>>1547633
>and other idiotic practices
shut the fuck up, your stupid ass can't even read a psychrometric chart let alone make determinations about moisture control in building materials. you just spout bullshit about "breathability" without even knowing what that means.

Anonymous Sun Feb 3 22:41:01 2019 No.1548650

>>1548641
Plastic doesn't hold up. Too much sun and it gets brittle. Too much heat and it melts. It gets flakey or powdery or brittle over time. It is toxic if there is a fire. Now, you might be thinking "So what? If your house burns down you are gonna have to rebuild regardless." This is true. The difference is you are also gonna have to remove the contaminated soil or its gonna be full of benzene and all sorts of other nasty shit. Your lot is now a toxic waste site. This is not a concern if the house is just wood. The wood siding on my house is pushing 70 years old and if anything is damaged I can run down to literally any lumberyard and pick up more shiplap. It will slot right in and, once painted, match the old stuff exactly. You get some plastic siding shit and you will never find a match if you need to fix something 20 years later. It is like tile in that respect. Either the size or the color or the finish will be wrong.

Sure, if cost is your major concern go ahead and use it. You do get what you pay for though.

Anonymous Mon Feb 4 01:12:16 2019 No.1548722

>>1548645
>amerimutt boomer thinks reading charts is difficult
>amerimutt education

It is a fact that today's amerimutt stick built houses are so sealed up they actually have to force outside air in through the HVAC system to keep the retarded amerimutt homeowners from suffocating in their own stagnant shithole.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 4 08:39:04 2019 No.1548842 >>1546650 rain did that?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 4 08:42:41 2019 No.1548843 File: 1.08 MB, 1240x869, 1524844076739.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1546776 not 100% sure about this, but I think it was the british who bombed dresden. We certianly lit up tokyo though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 4 10:57:02 2019 No.1548863 >>1546129 Germany used framed concrete for cheap post-war housing

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 4 11:27:51 2019 No.1548869 >>1547180 Midwest is hell. The lack of unfrozen seafood rots the brain.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 4 17:46:42 2019 No.1549090 >>1548843 pretty sure I was thinking Hamburg when I posted that, but that might not have been a firestorm, and it might have been the brits too. Fits their MO of nighttime city erasing bomb runs while we took the daylight 'precision' runs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 4 17:53:41 2019 No.1549093 >>1549090 >we You were there? How old are you?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 4 18:03:10 2019 No.1549098 >>1549093 94

Anonymous Mon Feb 4 20:37:19 2019 No.1549185

>>1548722
LMAO you are dumb as fuck. Do you think refrigerators and washer/dryers are needless appliances too?

I forgot that eurodumbfucks don't have money or electricity so that makes sense.

also, let me hear you spout some more bullshit about "breathability". come on dumbfuck, explain your engineering knowledge, i want to catch you in your own dumbfuck lies.

Anonymous Mon Feb 4 21:31:24 2019 No.1549208

Saw a house getting built in the Netherlands recently and it was basically the same bullshit. Only difference is, it had a very basic frame made from steel beams and concrete blocks, but 99% of it was wood.
I guess it's just capitalism. The only reason Europe doesn't have more of this bullshit is because the houses are just older.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 4 22:50:18 2019 No.1549237 American house building is a joke.

Anonymous Mon Feb 4 22:59:01 2019 No.1549246

>>1545728
People pay $35 million for wood framed houses here. Houses here are usually gutted and renovated every 30-50 years so it doesn't matter what you build it out of.

How the fuck are you supposed to pull new electrical, data and water/drain lines through brick?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 5 00:52:29 2019 No.1549288 File: 252 KB, 986x1024, AMERICA.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1546309 Oh god I wish I had enough money for a one way plane ticket to America.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 5 01:05:47 2019 No.1549290 >>1546431 I'd be claustrophobic. No yards, neighbors all up against you, street is literally against your front door and windows. This is just one step above living in a hostel

Anonymous Tue Feb 5 01:08:36 2019 No.1549291

>>1546650
he used osb on the exterior and didn't put paint or anything to protect the surface of it. Then they just left it in the rain. Probably a foreclosed house that was under construction when it got foreclosed and no one bothered to finish the job.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 5 01:23:28 2019 No.1549294 >>1549185 >hurr durr, durr hurr he sure proved me wrong, let me use some random fallacy and keep calling him names while completely avoiding his argument Nice try mutt but everyone already knows you're just a retarded boomer incapable of reasoning.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 5 01:35:02 2019 No.1549295 File: 382 KB, 2016x1512, 1547513175225.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1549090 Did you just say hamberg, where? I need my hamberg.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 5 01:37:34 2019 No.1549296 File: 166 KB, 504x370, 40c3999c31314d6193ff6118f6fc772d37b837e00ab73d60650f78cd2026c6e3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1549288 What is your sex? I'll import you if you wanna be my waifu. I'm a bonafide thousandaire.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 5 02:16:14 2019 No.1549303 one simple roof leak and the framing of your house, wall panels, so much gets moldy. toxic mold spores in your house for life. i hate american houses, an absolute joke. disposable like everything in american's lives.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 5 03:55:01 2019 No.1549331 File: 3 KB, 250x246, 1421200315421.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1548603 >what earthquakes Please tell me you're not American. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1366603/Earthquake-map-America-make-think-again.html

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 5 07:26:48 2019 No.1549372 File: 1.83 MB, 288x377, 1519426688105.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1549098 you would have been 18 during the bombing of hamburg then. I did some quick math

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 5 07:30:28 2019 No.1549375 >>1549331 earthquakes dont seem to be as big of a problem in new hampshire.

Anonymous Tue Feb 5 08:41:09 2019 No.1549396
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>>1549291
clearly the fucking house wasn't left like that. It's clearly after the fucking siding was removed. You can even see the flashing still on, and some around the windows.

So there was either a leak from inside. Or that was an area that got hot/cold a lot causing moisture to build.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 5 09:13:40 2019 No.1549408 >>1545728 Lots of wood framed houses around Australia are still standing and in good nick after 150 years. Admittedly they're all made out of decent hardwood.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 5 09:39:18 2019 No.1549419 >>1545746 My wood frame house was built in 1912 and it’s on a farm surrounded by empty fields so there’s constantly strong winds. It’s fine.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 5 10:19:48 2019 No.1549428 >>1545759 Americans are retarded. Plus they suffer a lot with tornadoes . Housing in the US is bloody expensive, this is why 70% of their population live in the ghettos

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 5 10:29:36 2019 No.1549432 >>1547930 Go do the same job in Romania or Bulgaria. Not the same as UK. UK is actually pretty good, the land is really expensive and always belongs to the Queen, that's the only downside I can see. Also lots of pakis in the big city but yeah whatever.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 5 10:36:35 2019 No.1549434 >>1549294 he doesn't have an argument dumb fuck. he makes up meaningless words like "breathability" and thinks a squirrel cage fan is a luxury appliance.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 5 13:20:31 2019 No.1549497 >>1546309 What eastern european country?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 5 13:43:01 2019 No.1549511 >>1545729 >trying to slander euro guy because of regulations >while you have to dedicate entire portions of construction budget to keep all codes tight because of your stupidly communistic state governments.

Anonymous Tue Feb 5 13:46:16 2019 No.1549512

>>1549434
Look here mutt, I know your english reading comprehension is mediocre but maybe if you would go back and actually tried to scrutinize instead of just reiterating the same pedantic shit you would see the argument. Or do you want me to type it out again for you? Stupid brainlet mutt

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 5 13:47:26 2019 No.1549513 >>1549098 Time stamp of your shopped ID or wrinkly hand or you're lying.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 5 14:12:49 2019 No.1549523 File: 1.38 MB, 980x1111, 1528220236626.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1546040 Not that brits/krauts head is nice place to live but at least its rent free

Anonymous Tue Feb 5 15:16:35 2019 No.1549552

US contractors are expensive
There aren't enough plasterers to plaster every new home
Steel prices would rise even more if we used steel frames instead of wood
Remodels are much easier to do if the frames are wood

Imagine every new construction in the US using steel frames. Home prices would be at least 50% higher, and our home ownership rates would be as bad as those in Germany and France (50%).

Also do Europeans actually think that a F5 tornado won't rip through a house with a steel frame? I know Europe doesn't have as many tornados as North America but stop waving around your ignorance with pride. Go look up video footage of an actual strong tornado and laugh at the idea that a plaster+steel structure wouldn't disintegrate. Now fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 5 16:09:20 2019 No.1549573 >>1549090 >Americans >precision bombing this has to be bait

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 5 16:16:26 2019 No.1549577 >>1549331 Reminder: the daily mail is a rag, not a reliable source for anything

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 5 16:18:18 2019 No.1549579 >>1549432 >the land belongs to the queen lol >living in cities lel

Anonymous Tue Feb 5 16:53:31 2019 No.1549598

>>1549372
>>1549513
... I am lying. christ, people

>>1549573
there's a reason I put precision in quotes. We (as in the US) had the Norden bombsight, and since we weren't trying to level cities, but rather target factories, marshaling yards, etc... we took to daylight raids where the target was visible. How accurate we are, I don't know off hand, but I know it wasn't great. And that goes for the Western front. Japan's manufacturing was relatively decentralized (lots of home shops) so firebombing an entire area was more effective. I'll end this on an interesting little factoid: The highest ranking US serviceman killed in WWII was killed by the US Army Airforce.

Anonymous Thu Feb 7 01:11:22 2019 No.1550442
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>>1545728
Well first you have to get permission of our communist school county tax system, Then you need to mortgage the house for your whole life and then at the end of your life it falls apart, so materials should be regulated for multi-generational slavery to the banks. Thanks Abraham Lincoln. Carpetbagger utopia USA!!!

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 7 13:07:11 2019 No.1550729 It's simple really, the average American home is 2.6 times larger than the average European home, so to keep costs down the quality of workmanship and materials go down

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 7 14:19:50 2019 No.1550776 >>1546142 I live in a 3,000 sqft house in Oklahoma on an acre of land and it only cost $300,000 Fuckin' northerners

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 7 14:30:23 2019 No.1550785 >>1545729 Seething

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 7 15:38:47 2019 No.1550855 >>1547693 Wood houses stand for ages, poor drainage design will last you a few years.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 7 17:56:30 2019 No.1550936 >>1550776 Yeah and you have to rebuild it 5x a year like the three fucking pigs because you're dumb enough to live in that tornado infested shithole.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 7 19:44:22 2019 No.1550995 my house is concrete block/stucco probably form the 60s. insulation is shit but not the worst. i don't mind living near a 30mph road because it's pretty fucking quiet. running outside outlets and lights was fuckin eazy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 7 19:56:28 2019 No.1551002 >>1545759 that's fucking disgusting.

Anonymous Thu Feb 7 20:11:25 2019 No.1551021

my parents live in a brand new community in delmarva area. they were one of the first and it hasn't even been a decade. i watched mexicans build over 1000 brand new homes and seen them fall apart over the years. absolute shit work you can tell the builder cut fucking corners. we're not even talking about structural design decisions inside. cracked concrete is common. warping boards on things like the lining of the garage doors. bottom of the barrel heat pump units. ants, mice in multiple houses. multiple cracks in the outside poured foundation of multiple houses. windows that fogged inside permanent. parents already had to replace their back door from rot. lots of opportunity for business for small guys I guess but builders shafted a bunch of people thats for sure.

Anonymous Thu Feb 7 20:16:24 2019 No.1551025

>>1546376
>>1547160
I too love seeing my countrymen being replaced by immigrants.

>being this retarded

>>1547668
You sound like a retarded from some former commie hell hole that couldn't make it here so you had to seek refuge in muttland. You're like those bitches who talk how good their new boyfriend is in comparison to the previous one because they still haven't had the time to discover his faults. The sooner more of your traitorous kind live old, beautiful and magnificent Europe the better.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 7 20:33:47 2019 No.1551030 >>1551021 I work in luxury home construction and the shit I see in $5m houses is pretty scary. I can see why home builders make it illegal or fine you if you go on YOUR new houses property while it's being built.

Anonymous Thu Feb 7 20:42:53 2019 No.1551036

>>1551030
my parents were pretty involved and chose a different builder but it didn't make much of a difference.

these houses aren't even close to that more like $500k.

i think the mexicans did everything possible minus anything that required a license.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 7 20:47:16 2019 No.1551039 >>1551036 Yeah well if a multi million dollar house is bad then something like a $500k house is going to be worse. I shudder to think what a $200k multi story wooden condo/apartment must be like besides being a funeral pyre if there's a fire.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 7 20:48:03 2019 No.1551042 >>1551030 don't even get me started on the inside. im not even autistic but you notice all kinds of "why" with things like the way drywall changes angles/corners or the random "one spoke" railing on stairs.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 7 20:49:48 2019 No.1551045 >>1551039 ah dude i love walking around their neighborhood when i visit and lurking their FB. you learn so much. glad i didn't fall for it.

Humble croatian red aerated te(...) Fri Feb 8 10:18:17 2019 No.1551329
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>>1551030
>I work in luxury home construction and the shit I see in $5m houses is pretty scary. I can see why home builders make it illegal or fine you if you go on YOUR new houses property while it's being built.

dont kill the messenger.

>>1548290
>>1548449
>>1548645
>>1548453
chances are that every building will experience at least one flooding in 30 years so your materials simply HAVE to withstand water. OSB is structurally compromised when wet, unlike wooden beams.

I assume CLT/glulam might experience the same problems with water/head since its also mostly glue based but were yet to see how well did krauts designed it.

>>1550855
>Wood houses stand for ages, poor drainage design will last you a few years.

Water cant do shit to wood if designed smart with drying out it mind, but OSB has more glue in it than actually wood, not to mentioned, OSB has nor continual GRAIN in it which makes the strenght in wood.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 8 17:48:20 2019 No.1551570 >>1545728 >trusting jesus and alejandro with masonry

Anonymous Sat Feb 9 23:37:59 2019 No.1552513

Nothing wrong with wooden homes. But I agree housing costs far too much depending on your location. Stupid that a home that costs 100000 could be moved to a different market and be worth 6x as much. The cost of the physical house is probably irrelevant to the actual cost.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 10 15:57:17 2019 No.1553019 >>1546284 http://vollark.no/ansatte/ You tell me. >>1548443 Check bellow the article, there are many similar projects in America.

Anonymous Sun Feb 10 17:22:44 2019 No.1553068

>>1547234

Wow, there is uninformed and then there's you. OSB is solid shit and excellent for anchoring 2x4 walls with the addition of letting you screw shit up anywhere in a room. On a roof, you pair it with tyvek or similar water resistant material alongside impregnated wood to make a FUCKING INVINCIBLE rooftop. What kinda shit standards do you have in your country where OSB has such a bad tep?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 10 17:23:55 2019 No.1553069 >>1546309 [spoiler]hats[/spolier] are optional

Anonymous Sun Feb 10 18:46:25 2019 No.1553129

>>1545728
I have a real fucking problem
literally every single house is a piece of shit built as cheaply as possible, some shitter from the 80s with perma-mold or a 2 million dollar mcmansion

whay are there
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houses in the united states that are under 2500 square feet and not a fucking 5th world piece of fucking dogshit?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 10 19:50:02 2019 No.1553184 >>1551329 >I can see why home builders make it illegal or fine you if you go on YOUR new houses property while it's being built I thought you amerifags were better than britfags but I guess that is obviously not the case now.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 10 19:56:23 2019 No.1553188 >>1547950 >rock is scary Wait until you learn what crust is made of.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 10 20:45:23 2019 No.1553205 >>1553184 well its probably not true

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 11 01:30:26 2019 No.1553304 Why don't they just 3dprint their houses?

Anonymous Mon Feb 11 01:47:44 2019 No.1553308

>>1545759
It is easy for unskilled labor to assemble houses like that versus paying for craftsmen. Framing can be done by a sub 80-iq mongrel if you make it that simple and at the same time you can shove various rooms and features that nobody asked for into the house in order to juice the profit margin for the builder.

Anonymous Mon Feb 11 02:15:37 2019 No.1553312

is anyone here familiar with both masonry and carpentry? i am a practicing carpenter and i find woodworking to be particularly fun. do you get the same enjoyment while working with concrete or brick as you do wood? i think to me thats the reason you may want to make a house outta toothpicks. in my dreams my home will be hand made of wood but admittedly i have also not spent much thought thinking of longevity

Anonymous Mon Feb 11 06:20:13 2019 No.1553381
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>>1549331
love when memphis is mentioned.
but that article is true af, most cities not on the west coast dont give a fuck about the future. most infrastructure her is maintained only by patch jobs. nothing is truly ever redone or fixed. its kind of shitty

Anonymous Mon Feb 11 19:19:36 2019 No.1553802

>>1545764
what the fuck, are you retarded?
do you think people with non wood houses piss all over their places? do you think people let "skin" just rot??
what the fuck dude, you cant be that retarded.
Do you know some shit called Hotels? Mansions? dude, there are a fuckton of buildings made to last for fucking centuries, you cant be this retarded.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 11 19:40:33 2019 No.1553806 File: 41 KB, 374x374, 34565245.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1553308 >framing is brainless >but laying bricks is mentally strenuous bricklaying isn't even considered a craft its labor

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 11 20:22:26 2019 No.1553830 >>1553806 this

Anonymous Mon Feb 11 22:02:25 2019 No.1553871

>>1551025
Your countrymen ARE immigrants, unless you're Native American. Tard.
>>1548035
They don't give a fuck, i guess.
>>1546890
Thanks for the sweeping generalization. What's it like, being so full of hate that you feel the need to spew your vitriol in such a manner?
>>1545823
Redpill: building method efficacy depends greatly on your area's climate/weather. There is no "one size fits all" solution.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 11 22:16:29 2019 No.1553881 >>1545729 Haha keeke

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 11 22:30:41 2019 No.1553886 >>1545728 R E N T F R E E

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 11 22:38:20 2019 No.1553893 >>1545728 I've been through multiple hurricanes in Houston. My house is fine

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 12 00:32:32 2019 No.1553937 >>1549511 yes but anon we're allowed to make fun of people

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 12 00:57:24 2019 No.1553944 >>1546263 literally typing this in my 60 y/o house rn its fine

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 12 01:13:56 2019 No.1553954 Own a wood home. Built in 1900. Still good. Kys.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 12 08:32:57 2019 No.1554081 File: 1.01 MB, 200x113, 200w.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1545759 The lintels are glued together pine composite aren't they? You can't use it as temporary floorboards it comes apart if it gets wet

Humble croatian red aerated te(...) Tue Feb 12 11:00:24 2019 No.1554136
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>>1553954
>Own a wood home. Built in 1900. Still good. Kys.

that is because you own a good WOOD home, todays wood-frame is more like a GLUE home.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 12 11:11:15 2019 No.1554145 >>1545984 u mad bro

Anonymous Tue Feb 12 11:14:38 2019 No.1554147

>>1554136
>todays wood-frame is more like a GLUE home.

No it isn't, not in america. If the roof is maintained and there are no siding leaks an american wood framed house will last indefinitely, assuming nothing else dies, like the foundation or whatever. The wood frame is not a weak link unless wind knocks it down, and that has nothing to do with glue or screws or nails.

Humble croatian red aerated te(...) Tue Feb 12 13:11:26 2019 No.1554182
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>>1554147
>The wood frame is not a weak link unless wind knocks it down, and that has nothing to do with glue or screws or nails.

there are ancient wooden building in china that are designed to survive an earthquake - WOOD IS NOT WEAK and Ive never claimed it was.

Problems arise when people treat wood like stone - put layers of plastic insulation on it, wrap it with Tyvek, pick too young wood etc. When moisture hits a badly designed wooden/glued house loading beams cant be dried out with air and you get inner mold and other smaller or bigger problems.
Todays architects are idiots that treat materials like photoshop colours - "oh this colour looks nice lets use wood here, this look more suave than this", "oh, looks like we used too much concrete and its cold, lets just spray some plastic on it"... not a trace of structural forward thinking. Wooden builds are actually very complex and people underestimate them so you end up with mcConstruction freak show.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 12 13:23:54 2019 No.1554190 >>1545746 I guess if youre not worried about the quality of the material, then you probably wouldn't mind living in a sturdy african shit hut

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 12 13:28:42 2019 No.1554192 >>1545728 >The construction quality of the average American home seems to be on par with a European barn. How much flame retardant insulating sprayfoam do european barns have?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 12 21:00:38 2019 No.1554455 File: 16 KB, 220x165, 642E262D-5815-46B4-A593-0DE1FEC11D3D.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >fight me faggots

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 12 21:22:03 2019 No.1554460 >>1553871 >unless you're Native American No, fuck face. I'm a native European living in Europe. >moving to america and still not being able to understand simple english.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 12 21:33:26 2019 No.1554464 >>1545728 WOW is that REALLY how american homes are built?? I could break that with my hands!!

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 12 21:46:51 2019 No.1554470 >>1554464 In burger homes you can unironically punch through the walls with your fist.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 12 22:11:52 2019 No.1554479 >>1554470 Holy FUCK why?? Don't they have weather there???? I don't understand how their homes don't fall apart in a week????

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 13 00:05:05 2019 No.1554510 Wood frame with proper insulation is superior to brick home ovens. Be comfy and or have a home that lasts 10 times longer than you will live? Tough choice.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 13 00:22:52 2019 No.1554513 >>1554470 >breaking through sheetrock with your fist Sure, if you dont mind breaking your wrist

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 13 00:28:08 2019 No.1554514 >>1554513 t. limp wristed basedboy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez7as08FYtc

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 13 01:12:54 2019 No.1554527 >>1545764 Lol this is too banter m8. Fuck euros lmao

Humble croatian red aerated te(...) Wed Feb 13 13:18:52 2019 No.1554752
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>>1554479
>I don't understand how their homes don't fall apart in a week????

they do actually.

>>1554510
>Wood frame with proper insulation is superior to brick home ovens.

Since when are brick homes ovens? Wood is great but your houses are made out of GLUE not WOOD.

>>1554514
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez7as08FYtc

based anti-mcconstructor!

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 13 13:33:39 2019 No.1554759 I don't get it, euro's who can't even into home ownership and don't have much if any experience in stick-built houses just meme that their expensive apartment was made out of masonry? There's sure a lot of retardation going on in this thread.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 13 13:56:16 2019 No.1554769 >>1554752 Jesus fucking christ americans are fucking retarded??

Humble croatian red aerated te(...) Wed Feb 13 17:00:51 2019 No.1554852
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>>1554769
>Jesus fucking christ americans are fucking retarded??

Hey man, at least they own houses unlike us euros, but their houses sure are retarded, that pic is just water/moisture damage, this about THAT, house melts from water AHAHAHHAHAHAAH

LOOK AT THIS DUUUUUDDDE

LOOK AT HIS WALLS

>>	Humble croatian red aerated te(...) Wed Feb 13 17:01:54 2019 No.1554853 File: 13 KB, 275x198, osb roof rot.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1554752 LOOK AT HIS ROOF

Humble croatian red aerated te(...) Wed Feb 13 17:05:08 2019 No.1554855
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>>1554769
LOOK AT HIS FAKE PLASTIC ROCK WALLS (patrioticallyImportedTM) ROTTING FROM THE INSIDE OUT

FAKE
PLASTIC
ROCK
ROT

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAAHA

*inhales rotten osb air*
*gets fungal infection in lungs*

AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 13 17:50:13 2019 No.1554878 >>1548091 Dumbest shit I've read this week, steel's elastic modulus is like 20x of any wood you would use in an amerimutt home

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 13 17:56:48 2019 No.1554880 >>1554878 >yes goy build your house supports out of 3" thick solid steel beams uhh..

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 13 18:19:17 2019 No.1554886 File: 13 KB, 278x182, download (46).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1545728 >They're literally built like movie sets. I think that is why mega mansions are so common in Southern California.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 13 18:23:07 2019 No.1554888 >>1547337 Nice metal roof. I dig those.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 13 18:29:08 2019 No.1554889 >>1554510 My brick house is over 100 years old and quite comfy thanks

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 13 18:59:18 2019 No.1554902 >>1554510 >brick >oven Do you know how thermal inertia works?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 14 01:58:04 2019 No.1555113 >>1554880 Are you fucking stupid?

Humble croatian red aerated te(...) Thu Feb 14 07:53:30 2019 No.1555206

>>1554878
>steel's elastic modulus is like 20x of any wood you would use in an amerimutt home

steel sucks in fires, legit wood frame is far more predictable in terms of warping, but everything is better than a mcmansion framing house.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 14 08:51:49 2019 No.1555221 >>1555206 >steel sucks in fires, This. I used to have a steel fire safe but after considerable research I replaced it with a pine box, and my insurance premium was cut in half after I notified them of the upgrade.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 14 09:32:55 2019 No.1555236 >>1555221 The steel is not what protects its contents in a fire you fucking twit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 14 09:57:01 2019 No.1555243 >>1555236 somebody mad

Anonymous Thu Feb 14 10:32:26 2019 No.1555256

>>1545728
Wood skeletons are fucking retarded. If you're gonna use wood either use Cross Laminated Timber or log houses.

>>1548443
>>1546284
>being to stupid to understand how GOAT wood is
Wood is an amazing building material it has amazing properties and is actually fucking strong and lightweight. It's also naturally resistant against earthquakes.

>>	Humble croatian red aerated te(...) Thu Feb 14 11:08:11 2019 No.1555276 >>1555221 >safe house and a safe are bad analogies

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 14 13:32:19 2019 No.1555321 >>1554855 surely it's hard to be this bad at building... like, getting lower than 25% on an ABCD multiple choice test.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 14 15:08:04 2019 No.1555362 >>1555321 Obviously this thread is full of concentrated worst cases, but it really depends on region. Also, dont forget that some of this happens because a majority of people dont do shit for preventative maintenance anymore.

Humble croatian red aerated te(...) Thu Feb 14 18:10:02 2019 No.1555464
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>>1555321
>surely it's hard to be this bad at building... like, getting lower than 25% on an ABCD multiple choice test.

true, its an accomplishment, like trying to finish a ski slope in over an hour - you have to put deliberate effort to be this bad. If you just tell a bunch of laymen to do a house, they would bare much better and they often do, but after years of indoctrination of engineers at construction colleges and material lobbies people learn to do so bad on the ski slope.

Humble croatian red aerated te(...) Thu Feb 14 18:18:18 2019 No.1555471
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>>1555321
like, try telling a random peasant to use pic rel and that there is nothing wrong with pic rel or drywall, hell laught at you, but you can indocrinate an engineer to use it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0zPn0D_q6I

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 14 18:53:31 2019 No.1555481 >>1545728 It's ok, Europeans pay 2.3 million dollars for .1 acre of land. I'll take my wooden home thank you.

Anonymous Thu Feb 14 18:53:57 2019 No.1555482

>>1545823
Some methods require a reasonable amount of maintenance, which you should take into account, both for you and for future saleability/owners.

Some methods could be rather expensive too. My family's farm has an old cob house, the amount of timber that went into that house would be eyewateringly expensive today.

But the insulating properties of some old techniques were pretty damn good. It'd definitely be cozy if you're willing to do the research and foot the bill.

Anonymous Thu Feb 14 18:58:37 2019 No.1555483

>>1555471
A few years ago some of the top level stuff Americans were doing in superficial stuff (the very top level of plastering really, and also paint quality) was really good, much better finish in some ways than we have in Europe.

I mean it's not much of an achievement, but they did do well at one thing. And also at least they don't have a hard on for PVC shit like the British (wtf is with that??)

>>	Humble croatian red aerated te(...) Thu Feb 14 19:38:23 2019 No.1555505 >>1555483 >(the very top level of plastering really, and also paint quality) was really good you mean paint like Hammerite? That stuff is a great metal paint. Expensive also. They used to have great hand tools until 70s.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 14 20:01:20 2019 No.1555516 >>1555505 I mean stuff like http://www.harris-ruthpainting.com/explaining-the-various-levels-of-drywall-finishes/ That gets a very good finish. I've heard of it getting used in museums for temporary installations in Europe, but rarely outside of that.

>>	Humble croatian red aerated te(...) Thu Feb 14 20:17:32 2019 No.1555530 >>1555516 >-drywall-finishes meh, literally lipstick on a pig.

Anonymous Thu Feb 14 21:15:36 2019 No.1555545

>>1555530
I cannot disagree, even the video here >>1555471
mentions how they regularly fuck this up. But it's still a good method to know. It's not just for flimsy drywall stuff, plastering over plasterboard in general it gives a good, measurable finish and that's typically a very hard, durable finish in Europe.

Humble croatian red aerated te(...) Fri Feb 15 06:54:48 2019 No.1555698

>>1555545
but how did drywall even become a thing? If you do temporary walls, why not do them out of wood - it doesnt have to be dovetailed or smth, just put one board above the other connected by a vertical loading board. That way you dont need special screws, can punch in walls when mad without the shit braking etc., more healthy, possibly even faster.

Drywalls/Knauf is such a shitty technology, very proprietary and you never know how many traces of piss and feces are in the mix which is a thing that already happened...why is shitty leftover material technology as drywall or OSB presented as smth inventive?

Anonymous Fri Feb 15 09:15:25 2019 No.1555751

>>1555698
Technically plasterboard I think is considered a subset of drywall stuff, but I believe it's derived anyway from plasterboard which is a technology from British Gypsum. That's just flat boards of paper or wood and gypsum plaster. I lived in a shitty house with the UK equivalent of drywall as a kid, and yes that was paper crap, but proper gypsum plaster boards are extremely strong and hard and often stuck to masonry. It allows the surface finish to be started (boards put in and maybe taped) before other trades come in where they have to put in sockets or run pipe or whatever, and for it to be finished afterwards so you don't end up with an electrician ruining every wall to stick in plug sockets or whatever. There are better sound isolation technologies for board too. The biggest thing is that it allows a much better finish more efficiently, you don't have to do that continental Euro thing of an endless number of thinner and thinner coats of plaster, and it's less reliant on the underlying conditions (non-square and bumpy walls in old houses, very easy to correct).

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 15 09:32:03 2019 No.1555755 >>1555471 oh look, the dumbfuck who doesn't know how humidity works is claiming to have subject matter expert level knowledge in structural design. again.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 15 09:38:50 2019 No.1555758 >>1555698 literally every single one of your arguments is BTFO by two words. positive. pressure. chew on that for a while and when your dumb fuck brain can't figure out what it means, come back to me and i'll spoon feed you.

Humble croatian red aerated te(...) Sat Feb 16 06:47:17 2019 No.1556265
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>>1555758
>positive. pressure.

well memed.

>>1555755
>dumbfuck who doesn't know how humidity works

correct my pleb beliefs then - moisture gets stuck to meterial and it penetrates the material, different stretch rates of mentioned materials make the material dissolve. layered or mixed material is especially prone to this type of damage. e.g. rotten OSB houses, swollen external facade

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 19 18:51:39 2019 No.1558856 >He doesn't want to live in eco-friendly house.

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