Dovetails vs. glued box joints

[Anonymous No.1540190]

Do dovetails provide any real advantage to tight box joints glued with wood glue?

Dovetails seem such a clusterfuck to make, I don't know if it's worth it functionally.

[Anonymous No.1540198]

Dovetails were used on drawers because drawers are pulled one direction. And the dovetail joint is very strong in one direction

Plus, I’m my opinion a dovetail joint looks beautiful.

But boxes have forces from several directions like twisting or racking. And the box joints have a greater amount of glue surface compared to dovetails

But those box joints look ugly

Long story short,how much strength is needed vs. aesthetics

[Anonymous No.1540214]

>>1540198
But once both joints are glued, there is no mechanical or functional difference between them right? Since the glue is stronger than the wood, all that matters is that the joint is tight so it "clamps" the wood to get a proper union with the glue, correct?

What I'm trying to say is, there won't be any difference between the two in the regard that they will both break at the same newtons of force from the same angles.

[Prez/o/ No.1540215]

>>1540190
screws are better than both.

traditional wood joinery is stupid and a waste of time.

there was a need for joinery before screws and nails existed but it's 2019 not 1819. we have better ways now.

[Anonymous No.1540217]

>>1540214

correct. dovetails are purely aesthetic and do not add strength beyond a simple butt joint

[Anonymous No.1540218]

>>1540215
>traditional wood joinery is stupid and a waste of time.
t. >>1527640

[Anonymous No.1540219]

>>1540215
Screws and nails are objectively weaker than any joint with or without glue. It's a fact.
Go back to framing McMansions, adults are talking.

[Prez/o/ No.1540221]

>>1540218
I'm not that guy but thanks for linking a post that proves me right I guess?

[Anonymous No.1540223]

>>1540217
Alright, so then, does the glue do all the work? Will any joint not add strength beyond a simple buttjoint? Even mortise and tenons?

[Prez/o/ No.1540225]

>>1540219
It's a drawer moron. it endures literally no stress over its lifetime and screws are orders of magnitude stronger than what is required

again, its 2019 not 1818 gramps. your masturbation joinery is a waste of time

[Anonymous No.1540228]

>>1540225
>screws are orders of magnitude stronger than what is required
Is that why your mom's bed collapsed while I was pounding her ass?
See, you should have used joinery.

Go back to redd!t with your retarded namefag shit bepcuck wannabe.

[Prez/o/ No.1540230]

>>1540228
spoken like someone who has zero rebuttal and just lost an argument.

[Anonymous No.1540232]

>>1540230
>tard: dude screws are better than joints
>state fact (joints are stronger than nails and screws)

>tard: but dood i aint needed xD i haz won debate

Sounds good, now leave.

[Anonymous No.1540234]

>>1540232

properly used, screws are stronger than wood, so a screwed and glued butt joint is >> than any sort of wooden joint, whether dovetail, mortis, tenon, etc., and this has been demonstrated in many youtube videos

[Anonymous No.1540236]

>>1540234
Properly used, you mum brings more cash into the family. Stick to that instead. Or screw.

[Prez/o/ No.1540243]

>>1540232
Now for reality
>state fact: joinery is absolutely pointless now. It's from of joinery from a time that predates screws. Screws hold with orders of magnitude more force than needed and are orders of magnitude quicker than dovetailing a simple drawer.
>tard: W-well i fuked ur mum, u-uh g-go back to redit!!.. I hate that you have a name and i hate u argghh!!!

Lol... anything else retard?

[Anonymous No.1540248]

>>1540243
>Lol... anything else retard?
Yes.

https://woodgears.ca/joint_strength/

[Anonymous No.1540249]

>>1540223
Box joints and dovetails also add more surface area for the glue to bind compared to a butt joint
Also the pieces are bound in more planes than a butt joint, making them stronger against forces from different directions like >>1540198 says

[Prez/o/ No.1540253]

>>1540248
The vast majority of every kitchen cabinet drawer uses screws or staples for their drawers. Drawers which see far more use than furniture and all hold up perfectly fine.

You have no skills or experience and it is showing.

>>1540249
>bound in more planes than a butt joint, making them stronger against forces from different direction


wrong. it's because glue doesn't work on end grain. has nothing to do with "more surface area".

[Anonymous No.1540257]

>>1540253
>blablabla ikea uses it dat meanz it good
You got burned so bad.
>it's because glue doesn't work on end grain.
You had it going until this point 6/10, got a few replies from me.

[Prez/o/ No.1540258]

>>1540257
>but glue works on endgrain!

Do you enjoy embarrassing yourself on the internet?

[Anonymous No.1540264]

>>1540190
Am I the only one who wants to pre drill and run a fat screw down that joint?

It would be indestructible

[Anonymous No.1540266]

>>1540258
Ever heard of titebond III? Gramps?

[Prez/o/ No.1540274]

>>1540266
So you went from crying after finding out that your precious dovetail joinery was pointless to arguing that gluing endgrain buttjoints is an acceptable method of joinery.

I haven't made someone look this retarded in a while.

keep going gramps ;)

[Anonymous No.1540281]

ITT

[Anonymous No.1540286]

>>1540218
i want to consumer her essence
gawd

[Anonymous No.1540288]

>>1540214
If your dovetail joints are done correctly no glue is needed IF they are pulled in the correct direction

The same cannot be said of box joints
As others have said, the box joints have a tremendous amount of glue surface area.
The more glue the stronger the joint
And this is why butt joints are so weak so people added dowels or splines.

Modern glues can make a bond stronger than the wood, the wood would fail before the glue.

[Anonymous No.1540303]

>>1540286
Why? She's just average looking.

[Anonymous No.1540328]

>>1540303

whenever someone posts this joke I wish that I could see his family, his high school or college classmates, co-workers, etc., just to see how outrageous the lie is. Or, he has odd taste. No way is his life full of "average" girls like this, with half of the girls in his life being hotter.

[Anonymous No.1540348]

>>1540328
I unironically dont see anything particularly special about her.
She isnt fat, she has good teeth, she has a pound of make up on. These arent special traits in any middle class area.

[Anonymous No.1540350]

>>1540190
not a dovetail joint you morons

[Anonymous No.1540371]

Box joints are stronger then dovetails beause they have more glue surface area, and also because less solid wood is cutout. A good box joint has exactly 50% of the wood cutout, so you are losing the least possible strength. A dovetail can't get that good because of the required taper. If you need the maximum strength under load, box joint is the way to go. It's also easier to make.

Dovetails have the advantage of not relying on glue as much, and of not shifting as the wood warps. If you're making something you want to last a very long time, dovetails are better because as the wood swells and shrinks with the humidity cycle and the glue weakens over time, the dovetails won't pull apart. Also they are prettier and good for showing off.

[Anonymous No.1540388]

>>1540350
No, its a box joint, you moron.

[Anonymous No.1540414]

>>1540388
no shit faggot
nothing gets by you

[Anonymous No.1540416]

This is a painful thread.

The actual strength difference between a dovetail and a box is purely academic, assuming they are equally proportioned, the glue makes them stronger than the wood they bond.

Dovetail is self squaring, remarkably tolerant of poorly cut joints, only need clamps in one direction.

Box/Finger joints are very quick to cut with machinery since they are not dependent on the limited chip clearing ability of dovetail bits and can exploit gang saws.

I stuck to the pros which are the cons of the other.

Really, you just pick the one that suits your tooling the best and move on.

[Anonymous No.1540440]

I'm starting a very, very short (about 80 hour) adult class on carpentry using hand tools only.

It seems that students can choose whatever they want to create, and the teachers will go about helping them create it.

Does anyone have any suggestions or plans I could use for a fun furniture build? Could be anything although I have a personal desire to create a shoe rack.

Many thanks anons! Pic unrelated.

[Anonymous No.1540447]

>>1540230
You're just a goalpost shifting wrongnigger and gayfag

[Prez/o/ No.1540452]

>>1540447
The problem you're having is that i am 100% correct and you cannot cope

[Milwaukee > Snap-On !ShlRJ3wGuk No.1540494]

B-BUT MUH DOVETAIL

[Anonymous No.1540914]

>>1540190
Really depends on what you're doing. Obviously if you intend to take it apart, dovetail is better. Hell, a biscuit joint is one of the prettiest ones if not a lot of force is going to be applied to it, like in finish carpentry trim work.

[Anonymous No.1540962]

>>1540215
Except screws and nails both existed centuries before your 1819 "joke date." And even today screws and nails aren't used as the only joinery methods in any sort of quality box or drawer. Are you saying that at least half a millennium of humans were and are completely wasting their time with total stupidity, while you've cracked the secret in less than 20 years of pure genius inspired life?

[Anonymous No.1540969]

>>1540962
Ignore the troll.

[Anonymous No.1540971]

>>1540452
Your post is 100% cope.

[Anonymous No.1540973]

>>1540971
>He doesn't even own a coping saw

[Anonymous No.1540975]

>>1540440
Build a wooden version of pic related

[Anonymous No.1540977]

>>1540973
>He doesn't even know who he's replying to

[Anonymous No.1540981]

>>1540440
Build a wooden version of pic related.

[Anonymous No.1540983]

>>1540977
I assume you're the guy making a Kiira Korpi sex doll.

[Anonymous No.1540984]

>>1540225

>it endures literally no stress over its lifetime

If you live in a perfect world where there are no children, drunk people, tired people, people who insist on dressing themselves in the dark, etc.

I have never owned or even seen a chest of drawers that didn't need regluing after a decade.

[Anonymous No.1540989]

>>1540984
The main stresses that these joints in a drawer face are those of the expansion and contraction of the wood with changes in humidity, with time they will pull apart any joint regardless of the glue or fasteners used.

If you only get a decade out of drawer before it needs to be reglued either your joinery is is not well chosen/proportioned for the task or the wood is not stable enough, could be due to cut, drying/seasoning, and or species.

You should have no issues getting a half a century between regluing, century or more is perfectly attainable.

[Anonymous No.1540993]

>>1540983
>assume
Why would you do that?

[Anonymous No.1541013]

>>1540989
t. 6000 year old timelord

[Anonymous No.1541014]

>>1540993
Why would I not?

[Prez/o/ No.1541017]

>>1540971
>N-NO YOU!!!

literally you right now

either contribute or prove me wrong.

>you can't

>>1540984
You are very stupid. Just look at the destructing testing chart the doofus posted. The differences in lateral forces needed to blow a box drawer out of shape are marginal at best and orders of magnitude greater than one would see irl.

Also stop acting like you go around your house ever ten years and re-glue all the joinery in your furniture. No one believes you and you look stupid. There's better ways to bolster your argument. Try using facts and logic like me.

>>1540989
>with time they will pull apart any joint regardless of the glue or fasteners used.
Not screws retard. Wood shrinks perpendicular to the grain so wood movement is a non-issue for drawer boxes. Nails can back out over a century that's about it.


Pretty sure I just won /diy/. Anyone else care to question my superior intellect step right up.

[Anonymous No.1541034]

>>1540215
I think that since wood expands and contracts, screws become loose and are shit when used in carpentry. Could be wrong though

[Anonymous No.1541038]

>>1541017
Screws as well, they loosen up especially after a very humid period happen, the under the head of the screw compress, when the wood shrinks back down that wood stays compressed a tiny amount, repeat for a few decades.

Wood expands and shrink in all directions, the bulk of it is just across the grain. If your drawer is perfectly quarter sawn than that will greatly help to minimize the above scenario, but it if is perfectly quarter sawn your fasteners are now parallel to the grain and near the edge, they will split with time most likely. Rift saw is the best trade off here, but not a solution.

>>1541017
>Anyone else care to question my superior intellect step right up.
I will question it if you ever bother to demonstrate it.

[Prez/o/ No.1541076]

>>1541034
Yea you're wrong. Nails can back out because they're smooth. During compression and expansion from seasonal moisture changes nails can work themselves out slightly by the head. Go look at a really old wooden deck and you'll notice the nails may protrude a little higher than the surface. Screws don't do this because they're continuously anchored along the shank and the wood. The other retard must think the wood stretches the screw or something.

>>1541038
>Screws as well, they loosen up especially after a very humid period happen
Nope. Especially not under humidity controlled environments inside a home.
Go look inside your kitchen cabinets. You'll notice they're screwed to the wall. It's been that way for decades. Notice how the screw is still tight? That's because screws don't loosen over time. Did you learn something new gramps? I'm glad!

>Wood expands and shrink in all directions
Wrong again. Woodworkers give zero consideration to longitudinal shrinkage because it's so minute that's it's non-factor in joinery.

You are wrong and appear to be in over your head in this conversation. Perhaps you should tuck your tail between your legs and shift to arguing semantics to save face.

I'll be waiting ;)

[Anonymous No.1541109]

>>1541076
>I'll be waiting ;)
Still waiting for this demonstration of superior knowledge.

[Anonymous No.1541117]

>>1541017

>Try using facts and logic like me.

Your "facts and logic" of some chart by some dude in Canada does not change the realities that I and millions of people see on a daily basis.

I am not talking about "blow a drawer out of shape" ain't no one blowing anything up with out explosives in my area. You and your over exaggerations can go elsewhere.

Glues just don't last in a humid hot environment nor does termperate lumber. Your famed oaks, walnuts, cedars, etc. Have all been tried and tried yet they just can't stand up to the environment. Same goes with your famous "titebond" glues. Shit just doesn't last.

I don't go around every 10 years just regluing shit. Of course not. Reality isn't like that. Every day there is something new to fix, not just some faggot cabinet but anything else in the house, no matter how well built or well put together manufacturers from your country that have dealerships here won't dare give anything more than a 3-6month warranty or else they will go out of business.

All in all. Fancy joinery relying on press fit and gluing is a recipe for regluing some part of the item in 2 years.

[Anonymous No.1541137]

Why does anyone cook nice meals? Why do restore classic cars? Why are there still fucking penny farthings in existence? Why does anyone make art or read a book when you can just play videogames?

Fun, gratification, accomplishment, looks nice, interest. All slower, more expensive, or with no real advantage over their modern counterparts. Excluding high end furniture and ye olde styled consumer goods (which only use dovetails for aesthetics), dovetails (or even wood suitable for joinery) are no longer in use where they used to be.
I don't know why you started this thread.

[Anonymous No.1541149]

Why the fuck is there a cancerous tripfag from /o/ shitposting in an actually nice board

[Prez/o/ No.1541157]

>>1541109
>no rebuttal

I accept your resignation


>>1541117
>You and your over exaggerations can go elsewhere.

the irony of you posting that...

Where are you getting explosives in that sentence grandad?
Blowing apart using lateral force retard, like the test indicates. Do you genuinely have a reading comprehension problem or are you pretending to be stupid in hopes to strawman your way out of a lost argument hmm?

>Glues just don't last in a humid hot environment nor does termperate lumber.
Have a look around dummy. Literally every solid wood tabletop in your home is glued.
When used correctly glue is literally stronger than the wood itself and it will last longer than the wood itself. This is common knowledge even for the retards on this board.

1. you're too old and uninformed to shitpost at my level so stop trying.

2. If you have an intelligent point to make, make it
>you don't

>>1541137
glad someone gets it.

[Anonymous No.1541160]

>>1541157
Go back to /v/ with cars. Nobody wants you here.

[Prez/o/ No.1541163]

>>1541149
>>1541160

[Anonymous No.1541167]

>>1541163
>I'm going to shitpost in a board that actually still serves its purpose
People like you should be killed.

[Anonymous No.1541180]

>>1540221
Only if you are the one who made that dovetail with a rusty screwdriver.

[Anonymous No.1541181]

>>1540981
Not a bad idea if you ask me. Lots of repetition to get joining down pat and the price of failing to get a drawer right is a negligible amount of wood, glue, and time.

[Anonymous No.1541195]

>>1541157
But you missed one there, stud, soooo...

>no rebuttal

We accept your resignation.

[Anonymous No.1541242]

>>1540993
We got so close one time

[Anonymous No.1541333]

>>1540264
No. Drill through and insert a wood dowel.

[Humble croatian red aerated te(...) No.1541362]

>>1540215
>screws are better than both.
>>1540214
>>1540217
>correct. dovetails are purely aesthetic and do not add strength beyond a simple butt joint

I cant believe Im reading this shit on a diy board and I feel like Im surrounded by literal retards who also claim that there is nothing wrong with OSB and tyvek.
Dovetails are Godtier of joinery strenght and durability, only issue is time they take anything else is cutting corners (no pun intended).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apsH8eBfjVA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apsH8eBfjVA

so tiresome...

[Prez/o/ No.1541476]

>>1541167
>you being right and correcting tards ruins everything!! :(

how?

>>1541195
why are you still seething old timer?

you lost, get over it

>>1541362
nice pointless test that has absolutely has zero bearing in real world applications. Joints are used in a box structure idiot, that test simply demonstrates sheer strength in a cantilever application.
It's the equivalent of removing structural unibody components from a car before running the gamut of collision tests.

I cant believe Im reading this shit on my diy board and I feel like Im surrounded by literal retards who also claim that there is something wrong with OSB and tyvek.

[Humble croatian red aerated te(...) No.1541485]

>>1541476
>Joints are used in a box structure idiot, that test simply demonstrates sheer strength in a cantilever application. It's the equivalent of removing structural unibody components from a car before running the gamut of collision tests

and?

Its like testing screwed joints compared to welded ones and claiming you can build a bridge out of both since its not an unibody. How does a JOINT become magically stronger when unibodied?

[Anonymous No.1541486]

>>1541485
>Croatian using Finland's National Treasure in Jif Form

God is Dead.

[Prez/o/ No.1541497]

>>1541485
3rd world pottery salesman lol

The point is that test is entirely moot and you are a brainlet (like most woodworkers) for thinking it pertinent.
Salient point: screwed joints are orders of magnitude stronger than what is needed for real world applications.

..next time read the thread before embarrassing yourself mkay?

[Humble croatian red aerated te(...) No.1541508]

>>1541497
>Salient point: screwed joints are orders of magnitude stronger than what is needed for real world applications.

dude, I know how you build houses and how long they last. American log cabins that are 300yo have dovetails on them, the crap houses you screw today last barely 30 years.

Forget joinery altogher if you plan on doing it so badly, buy yourself some brick. YOU BHAI EURO MAGIC BRICK YENKEE BOI YOU HNO WIAT! EURO MAGHICK BRICK STRONG, EUROPEAN LUXURY MAKE HOUSE TORNADO PROOF, BHAI!

[Anonymous No.1541509]

>>1541476
>Looking back at posts, still one you can't respond to. Still btfo.

You're right. Troll tears are delicious. Your resignation is the dessert.

[Prez/o/ No.1541527]

>>1541508
I'll be sure to forward your qualified recommendations to the american home builders association.

By 2020 all new home construction will be framed with dovetail timber.

Illiterate croatian pottery salemen saving the world one 4chan post at a time

>>1541509
>i am so deeply bothered that I lost the argument that I will mimmick the posts that hurt my feelings and continue to make myself look like a fool until prezo addresses some irrelevant point i think i made a dozen posts back

poor thing lol

[Anonymous No.1541533]

>>1541476
>sheer strength
That wasn't testing shear strength, his equipment applied a moment of turning force

[Anonymous No.1541536]

>>1541533
Have you not noticed that his 'logic' is to ignore everything and just find a loop hole to prove himself 'correct' with?

Just ignore him, it is pointless.

[Anonymous No.1541537]

>>1541536
>namefag is attention whore
You're right, of course.

[Prez/o/ No.1541561]

>>1541533
>That wasn't testing shear strength of the joint

uh except that's exactly what was tested doofus

>his equipment applied a moment of turning force

wrong again. There was no turning force applied to the material whatsoever. You think there was because you saw shiny something spinning and you are stupid.

his machine is a simple screw vice placed on a scale to display the amount of force being transmitted to the stock.


everyone following this eager awaiting the moment i would finally get told is literally facepalming at you right now.

>>1541536
>>1541537
my condolences

[Anonymous No.1541569]

>>1541561
>>1541533
>>1541536

there's nothing more boring than a boomer fight. and I don't care how old you are, this is like one of those forum arguments that never fucking ends, between the guy with 8000 posts and the guy with 9000 posts.

carry on, because I know you can't stop.

[Prez/o/ No.1541574]

>>1541569
someone is booty tickled

[Anonymous No.1541577]

>>1541527
The funny thing isn't that you keep accusing me off being some Anon you had an argument with, it's how you keep ignoring the post that you can't rebut, and I KNOW you've seen it. Now don't be obtuse!

>Still btfo, but still here. Keep trying little engine.

>Inb4 Oh you mean this one? Yeah, I googled something to burn you with, hold on...

[Prez/o/ No.1541587]

>>1541577
Keep seething gramps

[Anonymous No.1541589]

>>1540214
dovetails are actually weaker once you glue them because the edges of the tails sheer off along the grain. glued box joints are the strongest permanent corner joint
>>1540217
>he glues end grain

[Anonymous No.1541596]

Trolls being trolled.

This place is dead.

[Humble croatian red aerated te(...) No.1541863]

>>1541589
>dovetails are actually weaker once you glue them
>>1540214
>But once both joints are glued, there is no mechanical or functional difference between them right? Since the glue is stronger than the wood, all that matters is that the joint is tight so it "clamps" the wood to get a proper union with the glue, correct?

That is the strenght of dovetails at least in log cabin construction. You allow some movement in the wood when you put less glue or none at all, that prevents wood for cracking when expanding, also glue doesnt last forever and you need just a simple heat gun to break the glue - no construction that relies on adhesives is smart construction.

[Anonymous No.1543710]

Wow these fags really had a fight about screws and I really just spent 10 min reading through it all. Idk who's the bigger loser

[Anonymous No.1543715]

>>1543710
Who is the bigger fool. The fool or the fool that follows him.
-Bill Gates

[Anonymous No.1543717]

>>1541333
Checked and either would work

[Anonymous No.1543720]

>>1541362
Confirmat screws are god tier joinery but you can’t beat a dovetail joint for perceived quality.

I sell cabinetry and it makes my customers like “wow this guy is the real deal” even though we source drawer boxes from Amish/ Menninites

[Humble croatian red aerated te(...) No.1543742]

>>1543720
>Confirmat screws

so wait a sec, you order drawers with dovetails from Amish and use confirmat screws for the rest? Sounds interesing, give pics.

Only advantage is assembly of furniture, but if its solid wood, nothing comes close to dovetail for strenght, confirmat screw joinery has a place but it simply isnt strong

[Humble croatian red aerated te(...) No.1543744]

>>1541527
>I'll be sure to forward your qualified recommendations to the american home builders association.
>By 2020 all new home construction will be framed with dovetail timber.

Knowing your build standards, it will probably have a dovetail plastic veneer over OSB and Tyvek. Looking forward for more memes.

[Anonymous No.1544027]

>>1541076
Are you serious? Why are you spreading this misinformation?

Depending on where you live, compression and expansion absolutely adversely affect joining via screws. Sure it will last much longer than a nail, but you can ask the Japanese how much longer their temples have lasted over any European shed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMtSc2MJLcw

[Humble croatian red aerated te(...) No.1544079]

>>1544027
there are some people who simply cant understant, dont bother with that guy please

[Anonymous No.1544192]

>>1544027
Plenty of centuries old wooden structures all over Europe. Nothing wrong with either traditions, they both have their strengths.

[Humble croatian red aerated te(...) No.1544216]

>>1544192
>Plenty of centuries old wooden structures all over Europe

all surviving are exclusivly joinery, no screws in them at all

[Anonymous No.1544231]

>>1541076
Actual 30 year carpenter here. Screws, like bolts on a car always loosen over time. Your cabinets aren't actually as secure as you think they are if they have never been redone. There's a reason they started making reversed thread screws with small heads for decking. All lumber swells and warps.

[Anonymous No.1544261]

>>1541863
>no construction that relies on adhesives is smart construction
false, modern commercial roofing technologies are almost all adhesive based and tend to last way longer than old systems like tar or pitch. They have adhesives now that are way stronger than any wood, and have holding strength up to like 6000psi (you could glue a 4x4 piece on, then rely on that piece to hold if you jumped off a building tied off to it). Although you're right it doesnt allow for much movement, that's why almost every new larger building has water-tight expansion joints built in

[Anonymous No.1544264]

>>1544216
I was not advocating screws, just pointing out that the western tradition of timber framing is just as long lasting as the eastern.

but bolts started to show up in timber framing in the early to mid 19th century, and they work very well. I work in a 150 year old 8 story building that is constructed with this hybrid, it is not going anywhere.

screws still suck.

I was supposed to have email correspondence with someone in Croatia back around Christmas time and the holidays caused it to be forgotten, was that you? Need to get back on that.

[Anonymous No.1544267]

>>1544261
Roofing is not construction.

Hide glues can be way stronger than the wood depending on the source of the glue and the processioning.

Adhesive based construction has yet to prove its ability to stand the test of time, its longevity is still academic, time will tell.

[Anonymous No.1544269]

>>1544216
nobody made anything with screws back then, it was impossible

[Anonymous No.1544280]

>>1544269
Metal screws have existed since at least the 16th century and have been used in construction for centuries, wooden screws far far longer.

It did not become a common form of construction until the 19th century as far as I can tell.

You are talking out your ass.

[Humble croatian red aerated te(...) No.1544287]

>>1544264
>I was supposed to have email correspondence with someone in Croatia back around Christmas time and the holidays caused it to be forgotten, was that you?

possibly if it was regarding construction? are you the stave church guy? what email do you have

[Humble croatian red aerated te(...) No.1544289]

>>1544261
>modern commercial roofing technologies are almost all adhesive based

what roofing system are you refering to? also regarding strong wood glue, its way too strong so it acts as a breaker of wood with wood expansion.

[Anonymous No.1544295]

>>1544287
Yup, thats me, it was a protonmail address, if that is still good I give you an email when I get home tonight.

>>1544289
No idea, he deleted his post, realized he was a moron. Even hide glue is strong enough to break the wood with expansion and contraction, old dovetail drawers often shows this damage, generally the hide glue breaks down since it is weak in shear and that is the primary action of expansion and contraction in such joints.

[Humble croatian red aerated te(...) No.1544321]

>>1544295
you still here?

[Humble croatian red aerated te(...) No.1544323]

>>1544295
Id remember what email adressed did you used, but send me a mail on wwa2 proton looking forward to it

[Anonymous No.1544329]

>>1544321
Seems so.

[Humble croatian red aerated te(...) No.1544330]

>>1544329
ok got you, you sent me a mail from u******e, sent me a mail when you find time.

what were you talking here about wood bolts? Im not sure what you were reffering to? I know that wood bolts combined with mortise tenon systems are common but I didnt see much of steel bolts in wood

[Anonymous No.1546217]

>>1544330
Fuck life, I will get to that email eventually.

The hybrid timber framing was very common for large timber frame structures during the industrial revolution, but was used for a long time befor and is still used today. Best pic I can get with my phone, that is 25 feet up and poor light.

[Anonymous No.1546224]

>>1541362
Maybe I'm new,
But what's wrong with tyvek?
You're talking like the house wrap,
or the body suits like the spray foam or asbestos abatement guys right?
Seems like a great product.

[Anonymous No.1546231]

dovetails are best for joining brick

[Anonymous No.1546253]

>>1546224
Nothing wrong with it, trolls be trolling is all.

[Anonymous No.1546295]

>>1540215
Nails are better than screws fight me m'lady

[Teal Table Guy No.1546358]

>>1540348
Fellow Iowan here.

Fuck this weather, senpai

[Teal Table Guy No.1546361]

>>1541508
Imagine how long that would burn

Also, booted to this thread earlier but this board needs more momentum

[Teal Table Guy No.1546364]

>>1543742
We put in mostly modern European style cabinetry made of high end melamine. Like IKEA but you can get a 48” wide cabinet that will hold 100 lbs/shelf

A lot of builders are putting fake wood tones in kitchens these days because buyers are stupid and it’s cheap.

[Teal Table Guy No.1546366]

>>1543742

[Anonymous No.1546368]

>>1546224
The biggest problem with Tyvek is that it encourages shitty modernist construction, namely vinyl siding and garbage veneers

[Anonymous No.1546482]

>>1546224
>But what's wrong with tyvek?
Nothing. However it's so good at what it does there are many issues with rot from its early usage as it took a while for building science to catch up. There is a certain Croatposter who is obsessed with it. Don't tell him that american homebuilders began phasing it out years ago, in favor of engineered wood panels that have a built in water resistant barrier.

>>1546368
Neither of these have anything to do with tyvek, they're just cheap and low maintenance. I hate vinyl siding, but it is certainly not going away anytime soon.

[Humble croatian red aerated te(...) No.1546566]

>>1546217
>The hybrid timber framing

I see, look legit, it goes all the way trough the timber so it doesnt relly on screwing but on pressure so far less stress on the wood. Get on with that email already my dude!

>>1546224
>But what's wrong with tyvek?
>You're talking like the house wrap,

that entire system is very labour intensive and doesnt have a backup mechanism against moisture - if walls get wet, its almost kapput, unlike brick walls that dont desintegrate when wet.

>>1546364
>Like IKEA but you can get a 48” wide cabinet that will hold 100 lbs/shelf

but that isnt that much important to furniture, most furniture gets destroyed by moisture not phisical pressure and chipboard sucks with moisture.

>>1546482
>Don't tell him that american homebuilders began phasing it out years ago, in favor of engineered wood panels that have a built in water resistant barrier.

I hear ya, the part about " water resistant barrier" sounds like another re-invented meme.

[Anonymous No.1546593]

>>1546566
>Get on with that email already my dude!
Just keep posting pictures of stave churches all over the board to remind me what a slacker I am. I have not been home much and I never do email on the phone, hate it.

That picture still does not show anything regarding the difference between old and young wood, just shows you what a poorly cut piece and a well cut piece looks like, looks like fir being compared to pine as well, but hard to say from the pic.

[Humble croatian red aerated te(...) No.1546602]

>>1546593
>That picture still does not show anything regarding the difference between old and young wood, just shows you what a poorly cut piece and a well cut piece looks like

true, they are cut at different pieces of the log, and its horrible suboptimal for its use.

You renovate old buildings as a job, that sounds like a dream job! What country are you even from?

>I never do email on the phone, hate it.

cant blame you for it.

[Anonymous No.1546627]

>>1546602
>You renovate old buildings as a job, that sounds like a dream job! What country are you even from?

Where did you get that idea? I have learned that the quickest was to hate what you love is to do it for a living. I am in the US.

[Anonymous No.1546646]

>>1540218
I nearly shit my pants when that guy finally posted his box.
Probably my fav 4chan post of all time.

[Humble croatian red aerated te(...) No.1546647]

>>1546627
>Where did you get that idea? I have learned that the quickest was to hate what you love is to do it for a living.

I might have misread, I tought you said "Im working on a 200yo building" maybe it was other poster. Do you do smth related to construction, architecture?