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I'm gonna change my 1st clutch soon. Any advice?

>> No.1533292

>>1533291

what type of engine/transmission

>> No.1533293

2L HDi 90hp

>> No.1533294

And manual transmission

>> No.1533302

>>1533294

I have changed the clutch in lots of cars with automatics, but no manuals, since american.

sorry.

>> No.1533322

>>1533302
>changed the clutch in lots of autos
Wut?

>> No.1533328

>>1533322

all american cars come with automatic transmissions, Bepex. You would know this if you ever used the shiny tools you buy.

>> No.1533346

>>1533291
FWD or RWD?
RWD is way easier, AWD depands on car, FWD is shit except old vectra engines where clutch could be changed without decoupling gearbox
you need engine hoist for FWD to make it easy but can be done without it too

>> No.1533347

Pilot bushing alignment tool (a must)
Torque pressure plate in increments in a star pattern
Check flywheel for cracks or warping
Always change throw out bearing and grease beforehand unless it's sealed

>> No.1533358

>>1533291
dual mass flywheels feel like they're fucked even when they're not. luk have a phone app called "dmf checkpoint" that'll show you how to test it.
also gearbox oil smells of cat piss and rotting onions, try not to spill it when you pull the halfshafts. and when you do spill it, try not to roll around in it. oil spill mats are your friend.

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1533361

>>1533328
I’m Burger. What is a transmission? Like radios? I just press D and go.

>> No.1533613

>>1533358
Rubber band a plastic bag over tail shaft

>> No.1533637

>>1533361
how fucking big does your machine have to be to have buttons like that, 200 ton?

>> No.1533816

>>1533637
idk but our deice trucks at work look exactly like that and weigh like 35 kilopounds

>> No.1533901

>>1533361
big N stands for...

>> No.1533913

>>1533291
Replace the flywheel and slave cylinder while you’re in there. Easier to do it all now

>> No.1533951

>>1533913
And rear crank seal, you really don't want to have to go back into it.

>> No.1533984
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>>1533322

>> No.1533992

>>1533361
underrated post

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1534005

>>1533984
Meh, for a serious post: I mean regular automatic transmissions have clutch packs. And then there are automated manual transmissions which are basically a manual but shifted by a computer, and the newfangled dual clutch transmissions. But anon’s post was still strange.

>> No.1534027

>>1533291
If it shifts tough just smoke the fuck out of the clutch. DO NOT BREATH THAT SHIT! Pretty sure it jas asbestos.

Flog on it untill it looks like a descent burn out and test it again. Keep going until it works and put another clutch in the garage.

>> No.1534251

>>1533913
>>1533951
Don't listen to these retards. Use a broom stick if your clutch didn't come with a pilot alignment tool.

This is good>>1533347
I would reuse throw out bearing if it felt ok.

>> No.1534257

>>1534251
>I would reuse throw out bearing if it felt ok.

this. typically you just replace the clutch disk and reuse the pressure plate, throwout bearing, etc. Those kits that include everything are a waste of money. Maybe every four or five disks you should look carefully at the other components.

t. mazda tech

>> No.1534265

>>1533901
Not even in the mood to shit post.

>> No.1534356

>>1534251
>I would reuse throw out bearing if it felt ok.
thats stupid

>> No.1534358

>>1534251
>Don't listen to these retards. Use a broom stick if your clutch didn't come with a pilot alignment tool.
stupid as well pilot bushing is much smaller than a fucking broom stick Tardo

>> No.1534359

>>1534257
Another fuck the customer grease monkey

Thats like replacing brake pds and not turning or replacing the rotors dumb fuck

>> No.1534436

>>1533291
But a pair of oshatoes then wear your favorite shoes

>> No.1535788

>>1533291
ask >>>/o/

>> No.1535918
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1535918

>>1535788
>ask /o/
There’s like 5x as many posters on /o/ yet less car owners than on this board.

>first discover 4chan, my natural starting place is /b/
>think I’ll give /mu/ a try and see what all the musicians are talking about
>literally nobody on /mu/ plays an instrument, they just circlejerk over albums with good pitchfork reviews that only got good reviews after the band’s singer OD’d
/o/ is the /mu/ of cars.

>> No.1535927

>>1533291
It's gonna be painful unless your car has easy access to the clutch, which I can assure it doesn't have. A pit or a bridge or whatever allows you to get under your car will make the job a lot easier but it is not mandatory for fwd, and for rwd you just really need to lift it off enough to get to the clutch and put it on jack stands.
DO NOT FUCKING REUSE OLD PARTS
Being miserable once in a while is fine, having to be miserable again because you wanted to save a buck is dumb, especially since a while kit is generally around 150 bucks. If you're poor, at least change the bearing too.

That said, changed the clutch on a 2001 citroen without any special tools, but putting it back in sucks but it's doable if you know a bit about working on cars.

>> No.1535947

>>1534257
this is why i fix my own shit

>> No.1535948

>>1535947
Is it fixing, when it ain't broken?

>> No.1535949

if you dont think you can bench press your transmission back in, find somebody who can and just peg the top bolts for them when they do it

>> No.1535950

>>1535948
a bearing thats run however many miles and only costs a few bucks?
yes. it is fixing when it isnt broken. or you're dropping the whole thing back out in 20k miles (who fucking knows how long) because you wanted to skimp a few bucks.
do whatever you want, but that's why i learned to fix my own shit

>> No.1535956

>>1535950
Not the Mazda tech. But also a professional. Agreed, it depends on the situation and your tolerance for BS. But it is not statistically a sound idea to replace a known good part with a new part. New is not equal to better. The more parts you change, the more things can go wrong. And yes there's the other side of the coin. People talking about changing flywheel and slave cylinder are taking shit way too far. It is not just about being cheap. You are gambling either way. Performance failures are oftentimes attributed to the last part that was replaced. I would bet on the other color with a life limited part such as a timing belt, if I was changing a water pump anyway. But not the other way around. Looks like OP pic is the whole shebang kit anyhow.

>> No.1536105

>>1535949
They arent cast iron like the old days
newer trannys are alum. and weight nothing. If you can't bench that you have issues

>> No.1536118

>>1534359
Pads my for car are only a few bucks and it eats them like candy, the rotors are way oversized for the weight and haven't warped or really worn. I'm okay with this

>> No.1536121

>>1536105
What the hell transmission that you used had cast iron housing? Everything since like the 40s has been in aluminum

>> No.1536123

>>1535949
>who can and just peg the top bolts for them when they do it

old trick to do it alone: get two spare bolts a bit longer than the top ones. saw the heads off and saw a slot so a flat head screwdriver fits. before removing the final bolts during disassembly put these two in the top then remove all the bolts, then one guy can pull the trans off of those studs.

so leave them in place, and put the trans back in and they hold it in place while you put the other bolts in sorta tight, but get all the bolts in and snug them all a bit and gradually build up to the necessary torque.

>> No.1536129

>>1536121
>Everything since like the 40s has been in aluminum

lol no. my 65 ford truck has a heavy assed iron transmission housing.

>> No.1537059

>>1536121
Manual transmissions were all cast
Borg Warner T-10
Muncie Rock Crusher
Saginaws
anymore dumb questions?

>> No.1537063

>>1536118
glazed rotors make shitty brakes
try adjusting the back brakes so the fronts aren't over worked. Pickups and vans are the worst
Check proportioning valve

>> No.1537219

>>1534027
No asbestos, fiberglass yes.

>> No.1537230 [DELETED] 

you like blowin trannies dont you son

>> No.1537871

>>1537230
>you like blowin trannies dont you son
obviously on your mind

>> No.1539471

>>1533291
Just finished my 2nd clutch last week. It's a chore. If you're doing it because it "broke" it's usually a failed throw out bearing. The hard part is just getting the 150lb transmission off delicately and putting back on with precision. A buddy helps.
Random tips:
1. Make a diagram of the bolts as you remove it, like draw a circle, number the bolt holes, put each bolt in a numbered ziplock...because they are often different lengths and sizes.
2. The cross brace holding up the transmission also supports the rear engine, so if you remove the cross brace and transmission nothing is supporting the engine and it will slump downhill towards rear and possibly harm engine mounts, so support engine under the pan with blocks of wood.
3. Get the service manual for yours, watch lots of youtube vids.
4. Autozone or w/e will loan you a pilot bearing remover free.
5. Mark your drive shaft attachments before removing, it was balanced at factory. Spray interior splines down with oil and protect from rusting.
6. It's easy to do lots of things at this point, like replace ujoints, rear seal on crank shaft, replace internal slave, replace input/output shaft seals.

>> No.1539518

>>1536129
Same with my 70s toyota

>> No.1539534

>>1533361
lmao

>> No.1539537

>>1537230
It's a niche interest of mine.

>> No.1540409

>>1533901
Netorare

>> No.1540413

>>1539471
you have no idea what youre talking about dumbass

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>>1533361
>He cant shift

glorious German engineering

>> No.1541606

>>1534257
That's fucking stupid. Why wouldn't you just replace that shit while you have everything torn apart? I see you're one to really fuck your customers in the ass.

>> No.1542285

>>1539471
>diagram
I have a large memory from years of practice but, if I'm worried about it: I like to take a cereal box underneath and poke bolts into it. The top on goes highest and the leftmost goes leftmost. Everything stays in it's relative position.

>>1541606
My stupid ass will also not charge somebody for something just because its easier. There has been valid points made on each side without acting like a raging puss.

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>>1533361
Where's the button to order a prostitute?

>> No.1542298

>>1533637
I bet it's a school bus.

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>>1542297
Somewhere in there

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>>1533328
Quit playing...

>> No.1542328

>>1533637
US Army had that in HEMTT's and MTV's. Several other shits too.

>> No.1542335

>>1542301
Its the one right above "mirror heat". The side and tail lamps are for signaling some tail on the side.

>> No.1543469

>>1535918
Hi boomeranon, how are things nowadays down in the Conch Republic? Please tell me Whale Harbor survived Hurricane Irma. :(

>> No.1543485

>>1533984
dumb joke because many cars have automatic dual clutch transmissions now

>> No.1545368

>>1533291
I've done a lot of clutch replacement now, my advice for you is do it with someone who already done it and know what is doing

>> No.1545396

>>1534359
Depends on the parts really. If it's brakes I'll only change the out of spec parts because they're easy to access. If it's something that takes hours to get to then I tend to just change everything while I'm there.

>> No.1545399

>>1543469
Oh man I haven’t even been there since Irma. I gotta get back one of these weekends. I’m sure they got it back together fast.

The crazy thing was they were expecting Irma to slam the SE coast, so we had power companies from all over the country staged nearby before the storm hit. Then she took that jog west at the last minute. So the minor damage in Broward and Dade got fixed before they even started working on the major damage in the Keys and around Naples.

>> No.1545432

>>1541482
That's a big stick

>> No.1545454

>>1533358
Might aswell drain and do an oilchange
If the clutch is fucked, the oil isnt fresh either
>it looks clean
Lifetime is a meme, gearbox oil wears out through the shear action of the teeth

>> No.1545459

>>1545454
>Lifetime is a meme, gearbox oil wears out through the shear action of the teeth

this. I made the mistake of leaving 90W gear oil in my manual transmission for 60k miles and it was as thin as water when I drained it. Unfortunately all the gears were ruined.

>> No.1545466

>>1533328
>all american cars come with automatic transmissions, Bepex.
>all
Hate to burst your bubble but most of the Chargers we had on the lot when I was younger were manuals. The Colby we had in the showroom was as well.

>> No.1545515

>>1533291
Don't even bother with a transmission lift. Just inject some testosterone and listen to thrash metal until you are angry enough to bench press that shit into place. This is the only method I have had success with

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1545752

>>1535949
>tfw the 4 speed in my old Volvo was the size of a phone book and weighed all of like forty pounds

>> No.1545754

>>1533291
Chrisfix on YouTube thank me later

>> No.1545787

>>1545752
Cute tranny

>> No.1545834

>>1545752
I was a Volvo mechanic in the 90s, loved doing clutches on them. Plenty of room, and even the M41 with overdrive wasn't too bad to lift.

>> No.1546738

>>1542285
Coming from the mechanic who uses a cereal box to keep track of his bolts. That's rich.

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>>1546738
>Coming from the mechanic

post a better method sir

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>>1546738

patiently waiting

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>>1546738
...

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>>1546748
>>1546738
>>1546738

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>>1546754

stop it

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