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>> No.1501504

>>1501496
Go for it

>> No.1501506

>>1501504

which one would you pick of the three options?. I'm liking the Ryobi selection (even though it's just a bit more) but worried about the quality of the bits. I'm not working in construction or anything and will just be using them with house projects but still don't want them breaking at the simplest project.

>> No.1501508
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>>1501496
>MAINLY getting it for the drill bits and the like 2" inch long screwdriver bits.

kinda weird combo, but if the price is right, go for it. As for me, I wind up buying a set of drill bits every few years so it's not like a lifetime investment.

If you want to go crazy, Harbor Freight has a set (pic) of numbered bits with maybe a hundred or more bits of lots of sizes that I only use when I rarely have to make a special diameter hole. If you get that set, also get a normal set to use for your everyday drilling.

Also, when you get around to buying taps, get the set that comes with the correct drill bits and only use them for that.


>>1501506
>still don't want them breaking at the simplest project.

the main way to break drill bits is being too rough with the tiny ones, but you can buy a pack of several if you do that a lot. Just buy something if you are starting out. It's not like picking out a socket set that you will use for the rest of your life.

>> No.1501510

>>1501508

Yeah the taps is my MAIN focus right now. I need to drill holes for my cabinet handles and not sure EXACTLY which one I need so I just want a small set that is pretty much guaranteed to have the right size. Any tips on how to measure exactly what size I'm looking for?. Do I measure the diameter or the screw I'm using? or a bit smaller or bigger?.

That picture has just way too many for my needs. I also matter of fact want one to drill through the wall of my house because I want to eventually tun a cable inside to power a security camera but not sure if the ones are long enough but oh well.

Every time I read a negative article it totally screws with my head and makes me backtrack on a decision I was close to making, so the same article that lead me to the Ryobi choice had a comment with someone saying it went dull after only a couple uses so now I'm re-considering going with the makita or most likely dewalt sets.

>> No.1501515

>>1501510
>Yeah the taps is my MAIN focus right now. I need to drill holes for my cabinet handles and not sure EXACTLY which one I need so I just want a small set that is pretty much guaranteed to have the right size. Any tips on how to measure exactly what size I'm looking for?. Do I measure the diameter or the screw I'm using? or a bit smaller or bigger?.

By "taps" I meant tapping holes in metal, which does not usually happen with cabinet handles. If it's a thru hole that the screw passes through and then the screw threads into the handle, you want a hole that the screw easily passes through, and maybe even a bit larger if the handle has two screws so that the spacing does not have to be precise.

Allow me to repeat: you will not use this drill set the rest of your life, and all the name brands are decent. You can dull a bit by drilling into something like sheetrock, or by drilling into steel incorrectly, meaning too much or not enough pressure. Cutting fluid helps there, as does any sort of oil. The main thing when cutting steel is that you want it to always be cutting and never just rubbing.

You really are over thinking this, but that's ok, you'll learn.

>> No.1501520

>You really are over thinking this, but that's ok, you'll learn.

Yeah, I'm sure you're right. Thanks for the info.

>> No.1502265

OP here, I just ordered this https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000UZ0VTU/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I'm skeptical about the reviews (even though it's got a like 4 star rating). I feel like I'll regret them because a lot of people are saying the bits break easily. I'm going to get them anyways and see for myself but what do you guys think?. Are the reviewers on Amazon full of crap?. Anyone on here know about Makita drill bits?.

>> No.1502283

Is it just me or are all the bits thats coated with black absoultly shit?

I tried many both black and silver(no coating) brands and the silvers usually always out perform the blacks by miles in terms of durability and leaving a clean hole.

I dont know what it is but I avoid bits that are coated black now.

>> No.1502288

>>1502283

Damn. I guess I'll need to learn from my own experience but honestly like the look of the black ones better. I guess if they just suck I'll eventually learn to like the ugly ones that perform better.

>> No.1502296

>>1502288
I think its not a coating but because they are carbon steel, I shoulds know that really by the amount I used in the past

Like carbon steel blades, they are supposed to be much sharper than normal steel but in my expirience they last one cut before becoming completey blunt, they are too brittle, unlike the normal silver blades

I wouldnt bother with Ryobi for anything, not a good rep, in the UK anyway

I can vouch for Maddax bits being very good though, the only packs of bits I steal from work now

>> No.1502300

>>1502296

I was considering going with the ryobi 90 piece set but just couldn't risk realing I spent 30 bucks on an entire set that is cheap as hell. I figure Makita is a step up and if they break then it's dewalt left or nobody.

>> No.1502301

>>1502296
Addax, soz m8

>> No.1502302
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>>1502265
New anon here. You need to take ALL drill and driver reviews with a big grain of salt as its something thats easily misused and broken.

Screw driver bits wear out and fail, thats why they come in bigger packs. Its nothing to get real worried about.
This says its "impact rated", aka for an impact driver. Impact drivers beat the living fuck out of driver bits and decrease their life substantially.

Here is a video showing exactly how they work to give you an idea why
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0gSJa3L_7c

The bits in the kit are full hex shank, and they dont actually tend to last very long with an impact driver. Pic related, higher end bits that have reduced shanks and better manufacturing take the torsional stress a lot better. They also cost triple what regular bits cost, but its what you need with impact drivers whether this kit says impact ready or not.

Doesnt mean the bits are bad, and with a regular drill driver youll strip the bits out before you break them.

As for the actual twist drills for drilling holes in that kit, they have hex shanks to be put into an impact driver aswell.None of them really hold up well with impact drivers. Twist drills are frail and when you impact on them they break.
With twist drills in general, its not hard to snap them with a hand drill or driver. One slip of the wrist while its in the hole and the bit is done.

With all of that said, the bit set you bought was fine, but you really need to buy a regular fractional drill bit set in addition to it.

Of all the cheap drill bit sets ive used, Dewalts have actually been decent enough. I was given a set just like the one you posted as your OP pic. They would be a perfect starter set. I used them as my beater drills in my lathe and my mill.
You cant live with just 5 hex shanked drill bits. Nothing wrong with keeping the Makita set and buying the Dewalt twist drills too.

>> No.1502304

>>1502283
Its very cheap to put a very poor "black oxide" type coating on drills. Therefore most really shitty and cheap drills do it.

Like you said here
>>1502296
It has nothing to do with the coating, just cheap material the bits are made not.
Not ever Carbon steel, but mostly 4241 and other low quality High Speed Steels. They will break trying to drill mild steel.

A proper black oxide coating on a proper drill bit works well.
That doesnt mean that all "brite" finished shiny drills are good either, it just means they paid more to have a better finish put on it.

In the production world, finishes can matter as some are better suited than others.
Norse says that Black Oxide works better for steel while Brite works better for Aluminum.
But in the end, regular users like us it doesnt really matter. Just make sure you get a quality HSS set in the first place.

>>1502300
The Ryobi set is going to be poor, in terms of the twist drills at least.

>> No.1502315

>>1502304
Good info, cheers

>> No.1502316

>>1502302
>>1502304
I should point out that for twist drills,4241 HSS is your crappy wood only bits, M2 is your standard HSS that you should be looking for. M7 HSS is better, HSS+ Cobalt even lasts longer.
The problem is most companies dont tell you what grade steel they use until you start looking into real drill brands.

I know Menards sells M2 titanium coated bits under the Masterforce name that go on sale routinely. Im guessing the Dewalts are M2 because they work quite well.

>> No.1502338

Got the Makita B-43044 set.

Not had a single bit (drill or impact) fail in 1.5 years of various projects. Can recommend, I think.

Came free with my impact driver, so hard to say how much I'd pay for it.

>> No.1502339

>>1502338
Oh, worth noting - no concrete or ceramic bits, so get those separate.

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>>1502265

after all the advice you went for the homeowner shitbox

have fun learning, anon

>> No.1502342

>>1502265
6 of those bits are ones you can get in a every day screw driver kit.

>> No.1502783

>>1502340

>after all the advice you went for the homeowner shitbox

After all what advice?. First response was literally just "Go for it".

Next couple responses were a bit more useful but not pertaining to the three items I was willing to select from. I mean I'm just not into Harbor Freight yet even though I appreciate the suggestion. Apart from that no more advice or suggestions as far as brand or products were given so I ordered.

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate any advice I got and the gentlemen that did manage to enlighten me to something I like is that I shouldn't be paying too much attention to all this. Drill bits will break and it's not like I'll have them forever so screw it (no pun intended) I just rolled dice and like I said earlier in this thread i'm willing to use this as a learning experience so if it turns out to be a crappy set of bits then oh well.

>> No.1502788

>>1502265
I've got that set. I like it because it fits in my case for my drill and impact driver. The smaller bits are no more or less brittle than any other bit I've used. They all have to be brittle if they're going to be hard enough to cut. I snapped one but I was being stupid and using it wrong and they had two at that size luckily.

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1502789

>>1501510

Get a set of self centering drill bits for cabinet hinges. You will thank me later.

>> No.1502797

>>1502788

Are they really as greasy as the reviews say they are?. I am planning on wiping them down when I first get them.

>> No.1502820

>>1502283
coating doesnt matter at all for cordless drill use or homegamer

the idea is to reduce friction and chip weld to get more holes out of each bit, reducing down time, etc.
To get the most out, coating has to match the material your working on

but with a hand held tool you fuck the drills cutting edge 10 times faster than it would wear out on a machine
drilling/tapping aluminium/plastic just use a dab of booze or wd40
Oil on Steel

Tabs i wouldn't buy anything beside HSS-Co
>>1502789
is you want to be accurate, you pre drill with a center drill from a lathe

>> No.1502845

>>1502820
Yeah let me just chuck up my cabinet in my 9' lathe

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>>1502845
what?

>> No.1502874
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1502874

>>1502789
>>1502850
The best option is just using a hinge center punch.
I dont find center drills to work all that well outside of a lathe.

>> No.1504526

OP here. Got the set and used it. What really sucks is that I paid $24 and today it's freakin' $17.

>> No.1504553
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>>1504526
Where did you buy them at? A lot of stores will give you the difference back when sonething goes on sale within a week or two of buying it. Depends how bad you want that $7.

I got this stupid ass bit set for like $15 awhile back. Didn’t need them and I haven’t used a single one. They’re pretty decent bits though, the gold drill bits hold up a lot longer than these B&D and Ryobi branded sets I was using.

>> No.1504561

>>1504553

Amazon.com. I was considering getting the one in your pic but figured it was too much for me starting off.

>Depends how bad you want that $7.

Yeah, I'm not going to fight over it. I ultimately make a purchase based on what it's worth so I still think I got a fair price. Just wasn't great like the $17 dollars it is now. Oh well.

Are Ryobi really pretty bad?. I already know Black & Decker is no where near Dewalt of Makita so don't even consider them. Was considering a big cheap Ryobi set but couldn't live with myself if they turned out to be pure garbage and I needed to toss it and get a new set.

>> No.1504573
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>>1504561
The Ryobi set is old, I bought it mostly because it had some masonry bits in it plus a couple spades. It’s not as bad as the cheap no name. It’s the old blue, red, and yellow Ryobi label so they may have changed suppliers by now.

I have been happy with these Milwaukee bits so far too. They’re expensive at full price but you can always find a set on sale for $10-$15 off. I don’t abuse Phillips bits like a contractor but you can tell the difference between these name brand ones and the cheap drive bits.

Don’t overthink it. Drill bits are consumables anyway. The set you got is fine I’m sure and after you wreck some of the bits you can try a new Milwaukee set and judge if it’s worth the extra $10-$20 to you. If you start drilling lots of steel, then you cab get down on a cobalt HSS set because none of those tool brand sets are made for that.

>> No.1504577

>>1504573

I will give Milwaukee stuff a shot soon. I've lived my whole life (up until recently here on DIY) only hearing about Makita, Dewalt and Ryobi stuff. I've probably seen Milwaukee stuff around but never paid attention to them. I guess they're underrated but hear a lot of guys on here praise them.

>> No.1504583

>>1504577
They have the best lineup of tools, definitely the way to go for mechanics who don’t want to pay the Snap On. Beyond that for a basic drill, you can close your eyes and pick one from Mikwaukee, DeWalt, or Makita and it will be the same shit at the same price level.

And Milwaukee and Ryobi are the same companies but Ryobi is geared towards /diy/ guys while Milwaukee is supposed to be made for the workplace. So that branding might be the same with the drill bits. That Ryobi bit set is definitely better than the B&D sets.

>> No.1505292

>>1504577
>>1504573
milwaukee impact bits are complete trash, dont fall for the hype, read some reviews.
I ignored them and ive eaten them all up quite quickly.

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>>1504561
>>1504577
>>1504583

>> No.1505323
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1505323

I will never buy another bit set that isn't Makita Gold.

An old boss of mine bought me this kit more than two years ago and the only bits gone are ones I lost.

I am in the building trades and am using my drill/impact gun ever day. I love my Milwaukee stuff, and my Dewalt imact gun most of all, but I have stripped out DeWalt screw driver bits quick as shit. I've used plenty of other brands I am sure, impact and not, and they all strip eventually.

These makita golds are the fucking best. Try them guys, I swear by them.

Also, more into your question OP: DeWalt bits suck imho. They dull and break easy as shit in my opinion. Same with their sawzall blades.

>> No.1505351

>>1501496

get a sutton tools kit if you can

australian made, super sharp , super strong carbide steel

>> No.1505367

just buy 10 dollar drill index, and get the driver bits you need individually from a hardware store for 20 cents a piece,

>> No.1505369

>>1505292
I mostly bought it because I liked having the drill bits, good assortment of driver bits, and the square adapter all in one set so I can grab the 12v drill-impact bag and that one box and don’t need to bring a big tool bag to fix some shelves or whatever. They seem to fit/grip

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>>1505292
>>1505369
... but I can’t really comment on longevity yet. I got them for like $10 so whatever. And Milwaukee review are goofy because so many of the comments are from fanbois who hate DeWalt.

>>1505323
I might try these next. I grabbed the Gold (tm) 1/4” hex to 3/8” square wobble adapter but havn’t exactly abused it yet. I like the gold DeWalt drill bits a lot but the regular grey driver bits aren’t anything special. It’s going to take me so long to burn through all of those bits.

>> No.1505381

>>1505379
>>1505369
No one cares, fuck off faggot.

>> No.1505382

>>1505379

you are such a flaming attention whore why not take the plunge and make youtube videos. you know you're dying to.

>> No.1505555

>>1502783
Its 4chan dude. Everyone talks out their ass. If it's what you need then get it and dont feel bad about what some anon thinks of it

>> No.1505556

>>1505555

he would non-ironically fit in much better at reddit. how the fuck he wound up here is a mystery.

>> No.1505557

@1505556

(you)

>> No.1505560

>>1505557
You know he is right, otherwise you would have posted an actual rebuttal instead of a deflection.

>> No.1505565

>>1505560

nice logic.

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>>1505323
ive tried the Makita gold bits before, they look cool but ive found the tips of the bits underneath the TiN coating are very soft and wear out and soon as the gold coating is gone.

Milwaukee Shockwave bits are still the best ive used, they last forever and the tips maintain their shape after loads of abuse.

>> No.1505672

>>1505565
Go on and explain in detail

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1505689

>>1505382
Hey bby ;^)

>>1505555
Checked

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1507384

What is a good set of drill bitsfor wood projects?

I'm talking making-a-hole-in-wood making drill bits, not impact driver screw/socket driving bits you guys keep showing.

drill bits, hole saws, spade bits

>> No.1507446

>>1507384
wood is soft you can drill it with blank steel rod probably.
buy a spade bit, any spade bit, for anything over say 12mm. whatever the cheapest you can get, that is the best.

>> No.1507508

>>1502789
Oh god why did they do that to his neck!

>> No.1507604

>>1507384
Regular Ti-coated bits seem to last forever in wood, the expensive HSS is for harder materials. But like this anon said >>1507446 the spades are pretty good for 1/2”-1” otherwise get some hole saws for the bigger stuff as long as you’re drilling the hole all the way through.

>> No.1507777

>>1507384
It depends on exactly what you are doing and what type of wood you are drilling.

Wood is soft(ish) and wont really walk when you start, but can waller out the hole as it hits grain.
Regular twist drills and spade bits work OK, but not great.

Buy brad point drill bits and forstner bits are far superior