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1478620 No.1478620 [Reply] [Original]

>would it be possible to build something like pic related for ~20k or less

My dad owns a huge farm and he has said I can pretty much build a house on it anywhere. My wife and I are currently heavily invested in the rental gameplan with hopes of building our "dream home" in 15 or so years. In the meantime I think it would be cool to build a cabin like pic related and live there until we can build our house. My dad and I are fairly handy when it comes to electrical, plumbing and stuff like that however masonry, and actually getting the logs seems like where the problems will be. While he does own a farm, the majority of it is in fields and the few patches of woods on it has very little trees big enough to cut for something that long.

>what does /diy/ think?

>> No.1478622

>>1478620
It will depend on material costs in your area, stone & timber source, and labor costs if any. More than likely, it will cost more than that. It is always doable if you have enough elbow grease and knowledge.

>> No.1478624

>>1478622
The timber for most of the panneling and just plain lumber we could source from the farm, but there are fairly few trees tall enough to get a 20 foot beam out of.

>> No.1478634

>>1478620
I'm thinking that's way bigger than you really need, OP. If it's just you and the wife, no kids, you need four "rooms" max, one floor, and that's with possibly an extra room for shits and giggles. Just something to ponder.

>> No.1478643
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1478643

why not get a used camper or renovate a trailer/bus

>> No.1478647

>>1478634
>wanting to live in a 4 room dwelling

As someone who did it before let me just say you have no idea how useful an extra room is until you don’t have one.

>> No.1478654

>>1478620
>would it be possible to build something like pic related for ~20k or less
nigger please

>> No.1478655

>>1478620
every extra floor higher doubles the complexity and engineering tolerances. Not to mention maintenance issues as well. Single story is highly underrated if you have the space.

>> No.1478711

>>1478620
Fuck no.

That chimney alone would cost atleast $10k

>> No.1478735

me/my father built a house that he currently lives in

i think youre severly underestimating the amount of work it takes

it took about 6 years working when the weather was at least above 0, (may - sept). after working 8 hours a day, go home and build house for another 4-5 then go to bed, rinse repeat, work all day weekends

he worked at a big mill, and every day for a little while he took home 'core spinouts' from the lathe

about 14 inches diameter nice wood, he took them home and stacked em, let em dry 2-3 years

in that time we built a chainsaw sawmill, we're bother welders and heavy duty mechanics we do this kind of shit for fun anyways

so now we could shape the logs and make them flat on 3 sides to be able to bolt them together into panels

the house itself is 2 stories, living room, kitchen somewhat joined. bathroom beside kitchen, 2 rooms upstairs in the loft, hardwood flooring, the works.

it might not sound like much, but its retarded intensive. foundation, sewer, building inspectors, electrical, plumbing, power, water, heat, roofing, painting/staining, windows, drive way, stairs, all the little finishing touches

we're still not done its been like 8 years since he finally moved in.

its not something you do in one summer, its something thats ongoing, costs a fuck of a lot more money than you think. whatever your budget is, double it at least by the time youre done.

is it satisfying? yea i dont know, not really. your wife would probably leave you before you finish as she'll have given up way early

>> No.1478737

to answer your question

>would it be possible to build something like pic related for ~20k or less

absofuckinglutely not

200k? maybe

>> No.1478812

>>1478737
>200k on a fucking 4 corner square house

Are you retarded? Where did you get such a huge number from? You could but a whole house log kit for a fraction of that.

>> No.1478846

>>1478737
https://www.ebay.com/i/192115215530?chn=ps

You can buy a kit for $25k. Sure OP's price of less than 20k is stupidly low, but your price of 200k is stupidly high. You can probably build this kit for 50k or less depending on how handy OP and his dad are.

>> No.1478928

>>1478846
That’s not even a log Cabin

>> No.1478945

>>1478620
You should look into cob or strawbale building instead. It's a lot cheaper and can still be decorated with logs n shit for that rustic look. To keep things simple you should make it all one story with a low roof pitch and all plumbing against one wall.

>> No.1478957

>>1478846
>https://www.ebay.com/i/192115215530?chn=ps
That's a slightly large shed with some windows.

>> No.1478970

>>1478620
Log cabins have problems. Had one. Never again.
Have a contractor build the shell of a conventional house, get that done quick. Then finish out the inside yourselves.
If you don't treat building that house as a full time job, it will never get done.
Set deadlines. And keep them.
Like other anons have said, there's more to it than you think, and it will take longer than you think.

>> No.1478974

>>1478643
I love this pic.
"I want to live in a tower made out of scrap wood."

>> No.1479028

>>1478970
What were the problems

>> No.1479064

>>1478620
Just stack a couple cargo containers

>> No.1480348

>>1478812

permits, sewer, labour, materials, electricians, plumbers, supplies, landscaping, masonry, hvac

200k on just the materials alone? no

>> No.1480371

>>1478620
I think you should be ashamed to be profitting by enslaving other people who work all day to give you money simply because your daddy has a lot of money. Get fucked faggot.

>> No.1480403

>>1478643
>>1478974
Does anyone still have the edit?

>> No.1480567

>>1480371
it this what actual autism sounds like?

>> No.1480599

>>1480371
It's his fucking dad. If he wants to help out his son it's his own choice. Why would you have a child if you don't care about them and see helping them as slavery?

>> No.1480606

>>1480599
He's a broke liberal social studies child who thinks renting is slavery because you have to pay to use someone elses property. Disregard him.

>> No.1480780

>>1480371
>guy's dad offers to let him build a house on his large property
>this is slavery
w-what?
if I hold the door for you on the elevator is that slavery too?

>> No.1480783

Also OP, that house is gonna be hella expensive.
Anything involving a lot of wood and raw stone is gonna be unless you have a decent sized forest and a quarry you don't mind depleting.

depending on your distance from the equator you should look into cobb houses. You could build a modular 1-story building and probably get one large circular room the size of a studio apartment done in about a month. Materials are cheap and it's pretty resistant to harsh weather. the electric, plumbing, and gas setup alone is probably gonna blow thru your budget unless you can source a lot of second hand stuff and need no outside help.

>> No.1480809

>>1478620
>build that house or one like it
>two-man job
>20k budget

The short answer to your question is "no". It would take years to build with just yourself and your father, you will cut so many corners to save costs that it's quality will suffer, and after you have moved out into your 'dream home' it will be an unusable hovel.

Here is what you will do, OP:
>spend 20K building a barn
>furnish it to your needs
>live there until you can move out
>once you have moved out your farmer father can actually use the barn

Congratulations. You are now living 'Little House on the Prairie'.

>> No.1480818

>>1478620
The windows, by themselves, would be half your budget. Quality wood windows are easily $500 a pop, and there's 13 that you can see in that picture.

>> No.1480825

>>1478620

It is technically possible provided:

wood is free and procured on the site
stone is free and procured on the site/transported from a place that is giving it for free
you have free assess to tools


you will need to pay to a roofer if you are serious and really want to live there long term, the plumbing and electrial work can and will drive up the cost, windows are expensive

forget about any furniture included in the cost

>> No.1480835

>>1480780
>My wife and I are currently heavily invested in the rental gameplan

he's a slumlord obviously profitting off the backs of hardworking people and possibly also government handouts. Landlords are all parasitic scum.

>> No.1480839

>>1480835
>reee he owns land
>reee he rents it out instead of leaving it abandoned

>> No.1480840

>>1480835
to further clarify before someone asks the inevitable dumbass question of "what if he meant that he's the one renting", no one who was renting would phrase it as "investing heavily in the rental gameplan" because if you are renting that is literally the opposite of an investment. You are just throwing away your money. He then immediately goes on to talk about how he should have enough money for his "dream house" in 15 years right after talking about these investments meaning they're investments that pay dividends. No one who was heavily committed to renting a house would have the money to build a dream house in 15 years because, again, they're literally lighting that money on fire. Since he brags about all this free land he's getting from his dad and he sounds young and newly married, it stands to follow that these major investments in rental properties he made was with money he got from his dad since young men rarely have the money to buy multiple rental properties on their own earnings.

>> No.1480841

>>1480840
Which makes him a worthless parasite who extracts value from people too poor and stupid to realize they're being fleeced and traps them in poverty while riding high on unearned money of course. It seems obvious but I should spell it out to people who don't understand why this makes him a worthless shitbag.

>> No.1480915

>>1480841
fuck off comrade

>> No.1480922

>>1478643
That was the best thread.

>cuckshed in the clouds.

Kek. But yeah op. Build a bus camper and then storage shed

>> No.1480923

>>1480371
Fuckoff liberal scum. Capitalism isn't going anywhere just because you dont like it

>> No.1480924

>>1480835
Suck my dick faggot. I have 3 rentals and if a tenant hears water drioing at 4am i go fix it.

Maybe you shouldn't be a shit renter

>> No.1480926

>>1480841
Unearned money
>study tax law
>study rental law
>taking on risk of some faggot destroy your shit
>etc...

Off the backs of hardworking people.

>be me
>be last week
>"anon something is drip behind shower."
>work 10 hours day job
>rip out fiberglass shower
>spend over $100 on shower manifold and parts
>assemble just before 1am
>take shower and eat dinner and bed at 2am
>get up at 6am for work.

You stupid fucking faggot you dont like renting then buy a house. Landlords make money by taking on risks and being smart. You either git gud Nd have property managers or you work harder than your tenants by working 12 hours a day and laying in 6" of freezing ass water after a long day.

You seriously have 0 fucking initiative yiu crybaby bitch

>> No.1481051

>>1480926
oh wow, it must have been real hard for you to spend that $100 dollars of the money that that guy gives you for living in his apartment. You having to get slightly less of his money is such a fucking burden and proves you're totally not a parasite. It's not like this guy could have just paid someone to fix his shower if it broke, nope he needs a landlord to constantly take 1/3 of his wage in return for fixing that shower. Choke on a dick and let your corpse rot already you parasite.

>> No.1481119

>>1481051
>his apartment
there's the flaw in your thinking. it's >>1480926 apartment. the guy renting is more than welcome to either buy a place or go homeless. oh wait that's not right. selling a place to him at fair market value would still make the seller a parasite in your eyes wouldn't it? I guess the only way is for everyone to give up ownership of everything

>> No.1481191

>haz 20k
>pulls permit for septic
>tests site for perculation
>hires engineer to design septic
>haz contractor install septic
>now haz 0 dollars
no, you wont even put a septic and well in for 20k.

>> No.1481576

>>1478620
Well first of all, you should start by finding a style that won't become as drafty as the shrinkage and expansion produces cracks. Most eastern and northern European timber homes have found ways to work around this.
Secondly, it's a matter of what tools are available to you, what kind of zoning laws there are, what permits and inspections are needed, etc.
Thirdly, how much lumber do you have readily available? Is there a sawmill/lumber mill close by? What about a place to get metal roofing, assuming that that's what you want to go with according to the pic? What about the stone for the chimney? Are you prepared to make your own windows or are you buying shitty premade vinyl windows? Are you hooking up electricity or other utilities? What kind of framing are you looking at?
There's too many variables here to give you a concise response.

>> No.1482048 [DELETED] 

>>1478647
I agree but he's still right it's too big
A 6 room house would do it
>Livingroom
>Kitchen
>Bathroom
>Bedroom
>Whatever you want it to be room
>Storage room

>> No.1482053

>>1478647
I agree but he's still right it's too big
6 rooms would do it (bedroom, bathroom, kitchen, livinfroom, Whatever You Want It To Be room, storage room)
>>1478735
It won't take 6 years if he doesn't wait for his cheap father to steal enough wood from work and then dry it for 3 years, just buy the wood.
And 2 men should be able to bang out a set of wooden stairs in less than a day or two

>> No.1482074

>>1480839
Then he should sell those housing to hard working families who fucking need them
>>1480926
I admire your work ethic but honestly if it was a drip in a place that wouldn't even touch someone when they're showering you were under no obligation to come and fix it for them, that was your choice. And you're not the only one who works his balls off, I'm sure plenty of your tenants do too

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1482428

>>1478643
nice I cleaned it up

>> No.1482445

>>1480841
Nazbol-gang-gang!

>> No.1482543

>>1478711
>>1478737

You guys are confusing materials with labor.

OP's pic looks like about $20k in materials.

Now if you built it yourself, then it's just $20k and then about 4 or 5 months of your time, working 5 days a week. And some things would require a 2nd man, and some things would require heavy machinery, like digging the foundation.

But if OP has the work ethic, you're only looking at about $20k in materials.

>> No.1482551

>>1478620
no

>> No.1482865

>>1478620
I think you're underestimating the cost of good lumber.

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1483071

>>1482865
Yeah, a brick (block?) house would probably be cheaper. Not sure how exactly you call this in English.

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1483096

Should I worry about county cops if I build my own cabin on some remote land without permits

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1483099

>>1483096
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=Y28ubW9kb2MuY2EudXN8Y291bnR5LW9mLW1vZG9jfGd4OjUzYTBmMWQ4MmNkNWUxMTA

muh regulations

>> No.1483100

>>1483096
Yes.

>> No.1483112

Absolutely not, no. I just built a 800sq/ft addition and it was almost $200grand just in materials. It was super high end finishes and had a foundation poured and all that but I still seriously doubt your budget is anywhere close.

>> No.1483113

>>1483112
What the fuck? Did you build it out of marble stone or something?

>> No.1483114

>>1478620
Design/permitting for water/wastewater - $5000 - $10,000
Sitework, basement excavation, driveway - $20,000 min.
Drilled well - $5000+
Septic system - $10,000 - $20,000
Concrete - $15,000 ($7000 if you form and pour yourself)
Plumbing - $10,000 (Maybe $4000 if you do it all yourself)
Electrical - $15,000 (Maybe $4000 diy)
Heating system - $15000 - $25,000
Logs - $30,000 for what you're looking at there
Lumber for frame (roof, floors partitions) $5000 - $10,000 depending on whether you need all those porches
Two story stone fireplace - Probably $40,000 (seriously) - Maybe $20,000 for that cut stone if you build it yourself
Substitute brick chimney - $15,000 (Maybe under $10,000 diy)

>> No.1483115

>>1478655
>engineering tolerances
It's a fucking log house, Poindexter

>> No.1483120

>>1481051
>1/3 of his income to fix the shower

You only make $300 a month?

>> No.1483123

>>1483096
Absolutely. You'd never ever be able to sell it either if that day ever comes.

>> No.1483124

>>1483123
what if I dont sell it

>> No.1483126

>>1483124
They want their tax and they'll get it.

>> No.1483133

>>1483115

He does have a point, regardless of construction method. If you aren't limited by plot size, the only advantage I can think of of a multi-story building is that it's easier to insulate effectively. But even that isn't a significant issue until you start getting to the point that the building is much wider and longer than it is tall.

On every other point, having more than one story is just a pain in the ass. It's harder to construct, it's more likely to settle badly, it's harder to move furniture and other heavy objects, and stairs in general are a necessary evil, at best.

>> No.1484237

>>1478620
Did you check the laws of your country before? Agricultural zoned lands are often very protected and it's not because you own land that you can build stuff on it, specifically housing buildings.

>> No.1484476

>>1483112
Your wife is cheating on you, trust me.

>> No.1484485

>>1482053
>>1478735
Yeah, wife is gonna go bang chad if you take 8 years to build her house. Pay up beta bucks.

>> No.1484803

what equipment , tool and resources have you available? it's doable but it won't be comfy.
have you kids?

>> No.1484987

>>1482543
It doesn't if you imagine it finished inside.

>> No.1484988

>>1483071
"The third world"

>> No.1486442

>>1483071
No Wood is cheaper and He can faster build that shi,t but He need a good protect If IS IT could Same Shit Like a Stone building

>> No.1486451

>>1484485
Tyrome, shes in to the superior African bull bbc

>> No.1486487

is there any viability to building a house that you can easily add more on to?

>> No.1486615

>>1486487
no that's stupid and you're a moron.

>> No.1486628

>>1478643
man i love Alamaba

somebody post the screencap with the house made of doors

>> No.1486631

>>1480348
>living in a rustic cabin on a farm
>sewer
>electricity
city fag detected

>> No.1486649

>>1478620
order a prefab home from china, not even joking
https://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?fsb=y&IndexArea=product_en&CatId=&SearchText=prefab&viewtype=

>> No.1488145

>>1478620
privileged

>> No.1488154

>>1478643
I made the exact same thing in Fallout 4

>> No.1488167
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1488167

>>1486628
Here you go anon.

>> No.1488924

>chimney on the side of the house
why do people do this

>> No.1489450

>>1478620
There a blueprint of this? I love it

>> No.1491137

>>1478846
>kit
Kits are overpriced, hell if you've got Amish around you somewhere, they'll build the foundation, frame, main structural points and walls for probably around $5-10K. Mind you that's bare bones, no insulation, electric, plumbing or chimney.

>> No.1493100

>>1486649
Ask me how I know you've never ordered something from china. You could probably order one of those "houses" and get a fucking doll house in the mail.

>> No.1493127

>>1488924
Single easiest way to build one, it's not actually part of the building so you design a basic box house and slap a chimney on the side at the end.

>> No.1495161

>>1478643
>>1482428
>>1488167
Another settlement needs your help!

>> No.1495287

>>1481051
>1/3 of his wage
No wonder he’s a poorfag, he’s living above his means. Never spend more than 1/4 of your earnings on rent or mortgage

>> No.1495343

>>1495287
What the fuck? You want everybody to save at least half of their earnings? (All other expenses together are lower than rent.) Also, you want people earning minimal wage to live in 400USD shitholes?

>> No.1495904

>>1478620
Two story no
20kish for a small house done by you and your friends.
With contractors itll be well over 20k

Just doing the foundation/basement can be almost 20k

>> No.1496300

>>1478620
If you keep it off the grid (water, gas, and electric), and have most of the structural materials on-property and use padstones or have a friend with a 51% share in a cement company, then yes without a doubt.
If you actually want utilities connected, absolutely not.
(note: off-grid =/= no integrated gas, electric, or water)