/diy/ - Do It Yourself

[Anonymous No.1449851]

How can I lift a car to repair it?

in my country it is so fucking expensive to rent a workplace with a car lift for a day.
and here are nowhere any pits to work below a car.

but how can I lift a car "safely"?

I am not talking about trucks, SUV's or something.
just these kind of smaller cars like VW Golf.

also it is important to say that I don't have the money yet for any "floor jacks" or how they are called.
I am just searching for cheap and easy method, like wooden planks or flipping the car on it's side like pic releated.
but the car in pic is so much smaller and light comparing to a VW Golf so I don't think this will work exactly like this.

[Anonymous No.1449852]

Ramps made out of wood are cheap and easy

[Anonymous No.1449855]

Dig a hole in the ground and drive the car over the hole. I’ve done this before

[Anonymous No.1449857]

>>1449852
how high can I get a car safely by that?
also can you tell me what is the best way to position the wood?

I already googled, this was the first what I was thinking about, but only crap came up.

[Anonymous No.1449859]

>>1449855
this would be the best way, but I can tell you, the fine for this crime is minimum 1000€, because muh oils leak into the grass and everything dies because of it

[Anonymous No.1449862]

>>1449852
>>1449857
found something, I think this will be it.

but maybe there are still better options

[Beppu !n/ZnkB9jUw No.1449878]

>>1449851
When will Harbor Freight go worldwide?

But seriously, what about pic related? In the US you can buy them for $20. I would recommend some jack stands for safety as well, but you could substitute a spare tire or cinder blocks if the scissor jack were to fail.

[Anonymous No.1449881]

>>1449859

So....is your plan to just let the oil pour into the floor? Because that is illegal in most countries if you even do it on concrete.

[Anonymous No.1449884]

>>1449878
you mean like use 2 of them and use them on maximal height?

is this safe?
what if the 2 rear wheels roll just a little bit? these things on your pic would just slide, flip and the whole car will come down.

these things on your pic are for lifting 1 wheel and 3 touching the floor.
using more of them will make a very unstable construction I think

[Anonymous No.1449888]

>>1449881
no, I don't want to and I can very good prevent it from happening.
but if any police will see that I drive on grass, and even have buckets full of liquids they will literally fuck me.

and trust me, no matter how "remote" an area here is, here is everytime some faggot calling the police for shit like this

[Beppu !n/ZnkB9jUw No.1449896]

>>1449884
If you need to get all 4 wheels off the ground, you can jack up one corner, put a jack stand or block or whatever stable brick under that corner to hold it up, lower the jack, go to the next corner, repeat until the whole car is in the air.

[Anonymous No.1449899]

>>1449851
If you don't need to take the wheels off, you can drive onto a curb so one side of the car is lifted up. You can fit under most cars like that for an oil change, coolant flush, or transmission flush. If you need to take off the wheels, you need a jack of some kind, like a sissor or bottle jack, and jack stands.

[Anonymous No.1449902]

Hahaha... Oil comes from the ground fags, all your doing is putting it back. What's the big deal, its no different than planting a tree.

[Anonymous No.1449922]

>>1449902
you don't understand w. europe.
I really love nature and care and everything, but kill everybody who wants to vote for a pro-nature or green party

[Anonymous No.1449963]

cribbing blocks are cheaper than jack stands and I feel safer with them when working on my truck, jackstands fail. blocks can be placed under the tires or chassis.

>>1449922
>europe.
>I really love nature
didn't know any nature was left in Europe

[Anonymous No.1449973]

>>1449851
Jack stands or redundant cement blocks and keep any extra jacks you have barely touching the frame.

Dont bebfucking around anon. Cars hurt when they fall on you. Been there

[Anonymous No.1449974]

>>1449859
Fuck that.

[Anonymous No.1449976]

>>1449881
Who gives a fuck its a golf. Like 3 or 4 quarts. Dump it in the fucking river

[Anonymous No.1449981]

>>1449902
No shit.

All my life i been poking holes. Ive seen countless spills into the river and on the ground. Just throw lime screenings on it and plant sod since it has salt water miced with it. For the river toss a floater across it and throw some peat moss in. Or just leave it if rains on the way.

[Anonymous No.1449982]

>>1449963
>jack stands fail.

No...

[Anonymous No.1450000]

>>1449981
>All my life i been poking holes.
what an interesting life you live

>>1449976
it's not just a Golf, I just wrote it to show what kind of size and weight the cars have I repair

>>1449982
yes they do, at least I had one which failed.
it slowly went down, I barely had time to change a tire with this

[Anonymous No.1450009]

>>1450000
A jackstand? You had one of these fail and it "slowly" went down? Those have a locking tooth that fits in a rack, what happened?

[Anonymous No.1450010]

>>1450000
>jackSTAND
>failing by SLOWLY going down

They can fail, sure, but not in the manner described. You don't actually know what a jackstand is, do you?

[Anonymous No.1450017]

>>1450009
>>1450010
yeah, fuck.
I thought these are called jack stands
>>1449878

well, jackstands look like a nice thing, it seems they are the best thing to get.
how do they fail? do they instantly fail and the car drops?

[Beppu !n/ZnkB9jUw No.1450018]

>>1449884
Oh and not two of them. If you need more height, you could possibly put some block under the jack but it’s risky.

Use the jack to raise the car, then you slide the jack stands under there and lower the jack. You don’t want the jack to support the car while you’re working on it. You use the jack to raise it, then the stands to support and hold it.

>>1450017
Jack stands rarely fail. That’s why the jack just lifts it, and the stands hold.

[Anonymous No.1450022]

>>1449982
never

[Anonymous No.1450024]

>>1450017
>how do they fail? do they instantly fail and the car drops?
most of them now are cheap welded chinesium, welds can break, the lock might not set properly or it or the center column can sheer

[Anonymous No.1450029]

>>1449862
>OSB for load bearing

Eh.....no.

>>1449982
Shit yes they do. I've seen them all bent up as fuck at a few mechanic's garages. One had the center part that goes up and down snap in half. It probably happened with some idiot tossed them around, but you wouldn't have been able to tell it was cracked until you used it.

Cribbing blocks are really better. They are much more expensive and you need to have a proper design, skills, & tools, to make them correctly. They are REALLY REALLY worth it.

[Anonymous No.1450033]

>>1449982
People call them, "widowmakers," around these parts. Both because they break and because they tend to walk/slip.

[Beppu !n/ZnkB9jUw No.1450043]

>>1450022
At least 3 of those look like misuse.

[Anonymous No.1450069]

>>1450022
Two are ancient tube-types - those are actually illegal to make now.

Top right is not a compression break (pressure from top down) so it must have been misused.

Bottom right is someone being fucking stupid and not using the built in jack points or part of the frame.

Bottom left may be a legit failure, looks like a weld failed but I can't see it close enough to tell why.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7_Aa8pbM7Y

[Anonymous No.1450200]

>>1450000
...thats not a jack stand then anon?

[Anonymous No.1450201]

>>1450018
Bepcuck is right.

I always cringe ao hard and leave qhen i see idiots jack a var up and just dive under it.

>i just needed to grab the oil plug right quick.

Trusting your life to a 5 cent chibese o-ring. Just...

[Anonymous No.1450229]

>>1450201
>I always cringe ao hard and leave qhen i see idiots jack a var up and just dive under it.
>>i just needed to grab the oil plug right quick.
>Trusting your life to a 5 cent chibese o-ring. Just...

If you don't take the wheels off you won't be crushed. The worst I've done is putting the trans in neutral and releasing the parking brake to work on the rear, and then letting it down and having it roll onto me, feeling like it almost broke some ribs. So, whenever I jack it up and pull a jack stand, I always place the jack stand like a wheel chock so that if I forgot to put it in park or in gear, it won't roll very much.

[Anonymous No.1450237]

Pic from another thread here.

[Anonymous No.1450240]

At uni I just found a place with a nice curb and put my tires up on it. Got just enough space to get under and change the oil.

Stands have to be checked before each use. I have four 3 ton stands and a 4 ton floor jack.
Mostly for suspension and axle work. With a jeep you just slide under and change oil. No need to lift it.

They make drive-on stands, but most cars can't use them since the ramp is too steep.

Use your tire jack to raise one side, place flat pavers under the tire, do the same to the other.
Remember to set the emergency brake.

It is always dangerous doing this stuff without the correct tools.

[Anonymous No.1450241]

[Anonymous No.1450280]

>>1450240
>Remember to set the emergency brake.
remember that the e brake only does the back wheels. so if you jack up the back, the front can roll

[Anonymous No.1450304]

>>1450237
how did they flip the car without breaking the chair?
and how to keep the car from coming back down on these men?

[Anonymous No.1450313]

>>1449902
>Hahaha... Oil comes from the ground fags

wow, get a load of this edgelord

CRUDE oil comes from the ground. the oil you get in the bottle has been refined and processed and isnt the same. the oil you drain from your car is now polluted with gasoline and carbon and other contaniments and isnt the same as the oil they pull out of the ground.

[Anonymous No.1450318]

>>1450304

you should have stayed in school, 40 year old virgin.. and learned how physics work

[Anonymous No.1450327]

>>1450313
>oil you drain from your car is now polluted with gasoline and carbon

how dare you contaminate my hydrocarbon with your hydrocarbons, you brute.
waste oil from a car is way cleaner than crude oil. crude has tar, and asphalt in it. spilled crude oil is an eco disaster.

[Anonymous No.1450331]

>>1450327

if crude oil is so bad, why is it already in the ground? your logic makes no sense. crude oil comes from the ground. so how does spilling crude oil back into the ground cause a disaster...?

fuckin wtf

[Anonymous No.1450345]

>>1450331
crude oil contrary to what (((they))) want you to believe, does not just come from dead dinosaurs that got buried millions of years ago.
oil can be made from any decomposing organic matter, and mostly comes from plants. (jungles that were likely buried in mudslides, or volcanic activity)

your yard waste composter, turns grass clippings into methane, CO2, and nitrogen fertilizer in an aerobic process.
When the same occurs anaerobic (underground absent oxygen) the carbon does not bond with oxygen, instead the carbon bonds with hydrogen to form longer chains. crude oil is refined down to produce a variety of hydrocarbon products.

[Anonymous No.1450445]

>>1450331
Both refined oil and crude oil are bad to spill directly on to the ground. The fact that it comes from the ground doesn't even enter into the equation.

The reason you don't want to spill it into the ground is because you don't want it to contaminate the groundwater. Groundwater is relatively close to the surface, and is very important as a source of drinking water and for the environment.

Sure YOUR oil probably won't do all that much, but if every asshole decided to dump their oil onto the ground it would cause a serious problem. Imagine 50 yrs of oil dumped by everyone changing oil in a place like LA or any big city that is dependent on groundwater... bad shit.

Groundwater and crude oil in the ground are separated by impermeable layers of rock, clay, etc. Not to mention sheer distance.

It's like the human body. Bacteria in your intestines is great for your intestines.... but move it to your brain and you get problems... despite it coming from your own body.

[Anonymous No.1450491]

>>1449851
If you have to ask dont even bother trying to fix a car

[Anonymous No.1450496]

>>1450331
Why dont you just drink your oil directly then, instead of waiting for it to seep into the groundwater.

[Anonymous No.1450506]

>>1450029
what skills? looks like all you need are some pilot holes and deck screws, maybe some wood glue.

[Anonymous No.1450563]

Bless the ancients.

[Anonymous No.1450625]

>>1450043
Never thought I'd agree with benis

[Anonymous No.1450843]

>>1449888
So if your car is parked on the lawn not the street, and you have a bucket full of anything present, they fine you as if you're dumping oil on the ground? This sounds like old East Germany as portrayed in USA movies from the 80's.

I was once given some very valuable advice. At the time I was using the front walk by my front door as the only hard piece of ground to jack up my cars. It was inconvenient and I didn't like to hear the road noise while working. I was talking about pouring a concrete pad behind the house, etc, when a coworked said to me: "It's amazing what you can do with a piece of plywood". I found some old sheets of plywood (pretty thick, like 3/4 inch stuff) that had been cut into large rectangles (probably 3ft x 4ft) and I slide those under the vehicle for a solid surface to place jack / jack stands. Don't know how things are in your country, but here, we have cheap jack / jackstand sets that are good enough for occasional home use priced around $30 US dollars when on sale. The jack is small, can barely lift small SUV, but stands are strong enough that I feel safe underneath. I have, on occasion, parked in an area that allowed one side of the vehicle to be higher than the other, if it was truck / suv and a couple of extra inches made is possible for me to slide under it without jacking it up, for simple things like an oil change.

[Anonymous No.1450857]

>>1450280
e brake only works when rolling forward.

[Anonymous No.1450859]

>>1450563

[Anonymous No.1451012]

>>1450859
Is this real? I'd believe anything with Scott Pruitt (Trump dick sucker extraordinary) at the helm.

[Kevin Van Dam !ZNBx60Gj/k No.1451219]

>>1451012
You can put whatever you want on a billboard if you’re willing to pay.

[Anonymous No.1451231]

>>1450445
pretty damn good analogy

[Anonymous No.1451235]

Drive it on a stack of pallets.

[Anonymous No.1451367]

>>1450859
Plants can't grow without Dihydrogen Monoxide.

[Anonymous No.1451376]

>>1451367
>Plants can't grow without Dihydrogen Monoxide.

Plants don't actually need all those chemicals. How much is Monsanto paying you anyway.

[Anonymous No.1451427]

>>1449851
How expensive is it? You could get some quality jackstands or something. If you're feeling extra spendy, you could get yourself a quick jack system for around $1150 to $1700 USD depending on which one you get.

[Anonymous No.1451435]

>>1451376

[Anonymous No.1451479]

>>1451427
That could pay for a fucking lot of professionally done oil changes.

Especially when you could just drive it up a home made ramp. Or those plastic ramp things you can probably buy for 20-30 bucks.

[Anonymous No.1452595]

Tip: Use old engine oil to waterproof fencing posts. Pouring it on the top allows it to soak in and prevent rot.

[Anonymous No.1452612]

>>1450506
You'd be really surprise by the lack of some people's skills. Critical thinking is a skill. OP is asking 4chan for advice after all.

[Anonymous No.1452895]

>>1449857

Since you have no money but probably lots of time I recommend you go out in the woods somewhere, cut down a tree when no one sees you and then painstakingly saw out a couple solid blocks, let the pieces dry in shade for some weeks.

[Anonymous No.1453012]

>>1450229
>>1450280
>>1450240
>without the correct tools
Exactly. Always use a wheel chock before sliding under a car that is suspended in air at one or more points. FFS the amount of retard in here is painful. But, hey, it's your skin. As you were.

>>1451231
>>1450445
>separated by impermeable layers of rock
Mmmm, no. Wat are the La Brea, McKittrick, Carpenteria tar pits and the Binagadi asphalt lake and Lake Bermudez and any of the innumerable petroleum seeps around the world, both on land and at the bottom of bodies of water. Separated by distance would be a correct statement some of the time. Also true about not wanting to contaminate those places we do derive drinking water from beyond the point where it becomes unfeasible to filter economically. Just don't do it.

[Anonymous No.1453426]

>>1453012
Dude. The world is a big place, with a nigh on infinite level of diversity in everything, geology is no exception.

Most places oil is trapped deep below ground, in shale, tar sands, below stone layers, whatever. It is the exception for it to be readily able to get to the surface.

Also, I never meant to imply that all of the world's aquifers are separated from oil. Obviously there are aquifers that humans have contaminated, and there are aquifers that were contaminated long before humans learned how to pick their noses. That being said once we fuck up an existing clean aquifer it pretty much stays that way. It takes a lot of money, effort, and good old fashioned time for them to be what they used to be.

[Anonymous No.1453470]

>>1450029
What car is it?

[Anonymous No.1453819]

>>1453470
>Hello, my name is Foreigner L. McLivundarok
Srsly? Mid/Late 80's Corvette. This model, while still gimped by the dotgov regs, saw the Vette starting to emerge from the emissions funk and on its way to returning to a balls to the wall hot rod.
>>1453426
WORD. Just sounded matter of fact with no wiggle. With the bulk of brainlets that filter through these threads... Ahhh, not sure why I give one diddly shit.
Speaking of aquifers and fucking up immense and wonderful resources, the largest known aquifer, at the time we realized we'd fukkered it up for eternity, sits under most of the state of Nevada. And thanks to good ol' h-bomb testing a half century ago no humans will ever benefit from its bounty. In fact, in the not so distant future, it will have managed to migrate and infiltrate bordering water resources, slapping the expiration date upon them, too. Gut-wrenching, wat and how we humans accomplish by utterly destroying everything around us. Yet, I've heard there are those that believe we are sooooooo much more sophisticated than the remainder of the animal kingdom as to be far above it all. Really agitates the almonds at times.

[Anonymous No.1453823]

>>1450241
If those kegs were still under pressure (let's face it this guy emptied them on site) they have an eminence weight handling capacity, probably 8,000lbs or so

[Anonymous No.1453846]

>>1450229
>If you don't take the wheels off you won't be crushed.

Sure if the car has clearance. My car sits less than the depth of my chest off the ground. I can't get anything past my shoulder under the car.

Not to mention if the jack fails catastrophically the car will compress the suspension.

[Anonymous No.1453851]

>>1453823
>eminence weight
Wat? Full = sturdier?
Kegs are burdy tough to begin with and the two in picrelated holding up several thousand pounds and, excepting the application, doesn't seem surprising.

[Anonymous No.1454249]

>>1450857
Literally false. On what shitheap and/or paradoxically unsafe electronic nannymobile are you basing this claim? Even my buddy's Hyundai shitbox handbrake secures the rears to the point where you'll shoot the ramps forward and out from under the car before the rears budge an inch if you forget to disengage it before backing off them.

[Anonymous No.1454257]

>>1454249
>On what shitheap

The parking brake on older vehicles with drums on the rear tend to work great going forward, not so great in reverse, because it only pulled one shoe and there was little or no servo effect. And when I say "older", as far as I know they might still make some that way. My neighbor's 2003 Ford van has that type.

[Anonymous No.1454698]

>>1454257
I've been a mechanic for about 8 years, but I don't work on much new stuff. Family business, not a dealership. As far as I can tell, they're still using drum technology. I haven't actually thought about pad contact for parking brake vs when the drum is simply a drum brake, but they are designed very differently. I wonder if they changed up their design when it's rotor brakes with drum parking brakes to be more specific toward their job/work for both directions. I'm too drunk to think about it now but I wondered so I put it out there.

[Anonymous No.1455400]

>>1450857
wat?

[Anonymous No.1455714]

>>1450024

This. You buy cheap, you get what you pay for.

Of course, I have some cheap chink jack stands, but I use them as backups to the hydraulic jacks, which I leave in place. I always put a stand in juuust almost touching the frame, so if it slips off the jack there's something to catch it.

[Anonymous No.1455974]

>>1449859
Dig hole... lay out large plastic sheet... drive over hole... when done collect plastic and contain in 5 gallon bucket that gets stuck in the back of the garage and eventually gets sold with the house to become someone else’s problem to pass on... easy peasy

[Anonymous No.1455980]

>>1451367
Yes they can, just give plants brawndo, it’s got the electrolytes plants crave.

[Anonymous No.1456517]

>>1449963
Jenga!?

[Beponymous No.1456522]

Check out this thing...

[Anonymous No.1456525]

>>1456522
Ahhh, the Jack-Off™ 6000, couldn’t live without it.

[Anonymous No.1456692]

>>1450033
>People call them, "widowmakers," around these parts.

Objectively, everywhere else they are used extensively because they are quite safe and reliable. Even the dirt cheap ones.

[Anonymous No.1456857]

>>1451367
And plants absorb it f1orm the air, not the ground. Their roots are not equipped for crude oil.

[Anonymous No.1456909]

>>1456522
>all that twisting force on the top
I wouldnt trust this thing to pick up a lawn mower

[Kevin Van Dam !ZNBx60Gj/k No.1457081]

>>1456909
What do you mean twisting force? It looks like a little bottle jack.

The thing popped up on my FB Timeline as a Walmart ad

[Anonymous No.1457082]

get ramps or learn how to jack up a car.

[Anonymous No.1457091]

My grandpa had this spot on the side of his hill that dipped down sharply. He took several long railroad ties and iron and made a platform to drive vehicles out onto to work on them. Just walk around the side and then underneath it. Great cheap long term solution. Short term is vehicle ramps depending on what work you want to do. Get 4 plastic ones, drive the vehicle up on them. Depending on your vehicle you might want to drive it up on the front 2, then jack up the ass end and set the other 2 under the rear tires. Other than that I'll toss my hat into the 'dig a hole and put plastic down' ring.

[Anonymous No.1457102]

>>1456522