/diy/ - Do It Yourself

[Anonymous No.1446005]

Get a makita or keep extending my current dewalt system?

I have opp to get Makita CX200RB 18V LXT Lithium-Ion Sub-Compact Brushless Cordless 2 PC Combo Kit for like $100. ( retail $200 + )

I currently have a dewalt 14v circular saw and a drill. They share batteries, pretty handy.

Wondering if it is worth having the two different systems - should I just get a dewalt 14v impact driver instead? Are the new lithium batteries all that? will having an impact driver change my life ( no longer need to drill before screwing )

[Anonymous No.1446025]

>>1446005
An impact driver will, in fact, change your life. Went from "y tho" to favourite tool.

t. Got one

[Anonymous No.1446031]

>>1446005

Milwaukee here, fuck makita and dewalt.

But heres what I actually think: 1) If you have batteries from one brand, then keep buying that brand because the performance is pretty similar across the board. 2) Yes, Li-Ion batteries are all that. Better performance, run time, etc. The tools work better when they have a larger power source to draw from. 3) I usually see carpenters with makita. Electricians/plumbers/hvac is a lot of milwaukee and dewalt. Everyone else uses crap mostly tbqh

[Bepis !n/ZnkB9jUw No.1446045]

>>1446005
The 14V is the older compact system, right?

And that Makita uses the 18V that fits the rest of their 18V line, right?

I would grab the Makita. Don’t spend any more money on outdated 14V NiCd stuff. It makes a huge difference with the Li-Ion when you can pull out a drill that has been in storage for a few months and you still have juice in the batteries to drill a few holes and drive a few screws without having to put the batteries on the charger for half the day first.

Plus you will have a few Makita 18V batteries so if you want to grab saws or grinders that will last more than 15sec of runtime, you can get just the tool from the 18V Makita line.

[Anonymous No.1446047]

>>1446031
returned my milwaukee gen. 3 hammer drill/driver set. Hammer drill overheating with only moderate load. Fuck milwaukee.

>>1446005
OP: Landlord & owner/builder here. the big three (default, wilfukyee, makita) are more similar than they are different. I like specific tools from one brand over others, but there isn't one clear best. I have used many tools from Makita, Dewalt, Ridgid and Milwaukee. overall I prefer Makita. Even though they're slower to release new tools, their stuff lasts better in my experience. Certain Milwaukee tools are marginally more powerful, but tends to break down more quickly. There's a reason HomeDepot only rents makita.
My buddies in the trades use various brands, and what I hear from them confirms what I've said above.

I'd suggest upgrading to Li-Ion and grabbing that makita stuff. The subcompact series is really handy for smaller~moderate jobs.

[Anonymous No.1446050]

thanks lots of good info in here. I'm very much a "late adopter", and tend to buy used stuff a lot.

>>1446025
ok I'll give that shit a try. my experience before with a dewalt drill/driver was I still needed to drill pilot holes, or the wood would tear up.

[Anonymous No.1446052]

>>1446031
Milwaukee rep pls go

[Anonymous No.1446053]

>>1446045
yes and .. I think? it looks like some 18v makitas way more expensive than others. not sure if the batteries are different or not.

[Bepis !n/ZnkB9jUw No.1446078]

>>1446053
I think the 18V LXT batteries are the same for all those newer tools. The black is just the sub-compact (so a bit smaller but not quite 12v compact) but they fit the 18V green ones too.

Some 18V tools are more expensive because there’s brushed, brushless, regular drills, hammer drills, etc. Look at the specs. But those batteries should work for the other current 18V Makita tools. And with the Li-Ion, there’s all different capacity batteries that fit the same tools. The 2.0Ah will be fine for drills, but if you’re running saws or grinders for an hour straight, you might want 4.0Ah+ so you don’t have to change them out so much.

For $100, I say jump on it. But considering you say you want to buy more old DeWalt 14v tools, you should def get that Makita kit instead of wasting money on that. I still have a bunch of 18V NiCd Dewalt stuff, and it’s so fucking annoying when I want to grab the saw to make one quick cut and tha batteries are dead from sitting for a few weeks. Then I grab one of my Li-Ion drills that hasn’t been charged in months and it will go all day.

[Anonymous No.1446208]

Tradesman here, call me a rep, who gives a shit.

Makita is a really hard sell for me unless you are working day-in and out in a production environment where their ergonomics come into play. They are the tol for dudes who are prone to RSI, but that's about it. Every performance metric they can compete with other brands on, they are very middle of the pack.

Milwaukee is small. If you're a service tech, or work in HVAC or aircrafts/automotive - they are your only sexy option.

Dewault is for hardcore heavy duty jobbers only. Concrete guys, etc.

Ryobi is cheap and awesome for the money. If your tools get stolen (borrowed) or covered in shit all the time, green is good.

[Anonymous No.1446214]

>>1446025
This (takes way way way less pressure than a drill to drive a phillips into pretty much anything without stripping, can spin off lugnuts and can be trigger-feathered on drywall even)
>>1446031
This (I have a couple 18v 5Ah makita batteries that will drill/drive for over an hour, weedwack (2x18v for an hour, leafblower for half hour, chainsaw for an hour) 18v reciprocate for half hour and have not lost a minute of capacity over probably 100 charge cycles in 3 years.
>>1446078
and this even though penis is an insufferable faggot. If you go makita make sure you get the batteries with the green or yellow or whatever plastic tab, maybe thats what LXT means, IDK but you need the yellow tabby with a star on it. I got in around the transition and for example my 5Ah batts work on the 2x18v tools and the drill and driver, but the 1.5Ah batts only work on the drill/driver (no yellow tag). Overall very satisfied with Makita. will be upgrading soon, pic related.

[Anonymous No.1446221]

>>1446078
Thanks that is really good info. I'm fine slowly building up some makita gear over the coming years, and switching over to the new batteries.


>>1446208
>Dewault is for hardcore heavy duty
really? why. I thought they were just another brand, with a slightly better than average rep.

>>1446214
I hear you about the saw... it really shits out quickly. That's crazy - you really use them on weedwackers and shit? I thought that was just over optimistic branding, or some stupid gadgets they sold to dads.

>>1446214
killer tip about the batteries.

[Anonymous No.1446225]

>>1446221
>I hear you about the saw... it really shits out quickly. That's crazy - you really use them on weedwackers and shit? I thought that was just over optimistic branding
So did I, but I made the leap since I don't use those tools enough to justify maintaining engines. That shit works wonders no lie. I regularly wack and blow for maybe 2 hours total per charge with at least 45 min to an hour of run time combined. The blower uses the most power on high, maybe 15 mins but good as any gas blower I used. I bet over an hour on low. I never ran down the batteries with the saw yet but I cut up near a cord of fireplace wood out of 8" diameter 8-10 foot locust logs on full charge last week and used less than half the battery. The makita outdoor stuff is 2x18v, but it seems to be as powerful and last as long as the 60/80V off brand stuff that I tried. Plus you can put the batteries in your drill or saw in the winter.

[Anonymous No.1446228]

Just recently got a brand new Makita 5ah XLT. Shit motor started burning under heavy load. Fucking this poc. I liked DeWalt brushless motor better and it had longer battery life.

[Anonymous No.1446272]

>>1446225
I can't really wrap my head around that.

> I regularly wack and blow for maybe 2 hours
kek

>>1446228
way to burst my bubble. which tool specifically?

>Fucking this poc
person of color?

[Anonymous No.1446289]

>>1446078
>>1446214
some of the really early 18v Makita 1.5ah batteries were designed to only work with drills and impacts, there was a small tab on the bottom of the higher power tools like circular saws that would block you from using anything smaller than their 3.0ah high capacity (at the time) batteries.

[Bepis n/ZnkB9jUw No.1446291]

>>1446289
well the 1.5 ah battery feels pretty good up my ass. Better than the circular saw at least.

[Anonymous No.1446292]

>>1446225
>The makita outdoor stuff is 2x18v

they have a 72v 4x18v backpack leaf blower in the works too.

[Anonymous No.1446298]

>>1446292
Don't cross the streams.

[Anonymous No.1446320]

>>1446005
>Sub-Compact Brushless Cordless 2 PC Combo Kit for like $100
At $100 that's a fantastic deal and you definitely won't get anything even remotely close to it in performance or value. That said, the 1.5Ah batteries are kind of shit in that they won't last very long in any tool, you should eventually invest into bigger packs, or make your own.

[Bepis !n/ZnkB9jUw No.1446365]

>>1446291
You gotta start with the 1.5 and work your way up. This >>1446214 will send you straight to the hospital if you try to go in dry

[Anonymous No.1446369]

>>1446292
>they have a 72v 4x18v backpack leaf blower in the works too.

and the bad idea of the year award goes to makita

[Anonymous No.1446389]

>>1446365
You suck and everyone hates you.

[Anonymous No.1446401]

>>1446389
Thread/

[Bepis !n/ZnkB9jUw No.1446405]

>>1446369
>tfw it only needs $600 worth of batteries to run for 20min.
If you need over 30min of runtime, it’s gonna cost about a grand.

>>1446389
A few people tolerate me

[Anonymous No.1446409]

>>1446405
>A few people tolerate me

I suppose you are proud that you suck so much that everyone hates you except for a few people who tolerate you. Unbelievable.

[Bepis !n/ZnkB9jUw No.1446414]

>>1446409
Do people actually care what random kids and neckbeards on some Lebanese spearfishing forum think of them?

>tfw the kind of people who don’t like me are autists that get upset because I’m too lazy to delete my name on this Cambodian tea making blog
How can I sleep at night?

[Anonymous No.1446418]

>>1446414
>I’m too lazy to delete my name

You only have to do it once retard. You act like the name is forced on you and you have to do a lot of work to get rid of it, like the amount of work and pain you go through every time you try to remove a bolt or a nut. I suppose if you could buy several sets of tools to remove your name you would consider it.

I actually like having you around, kinda like the old-time village idiot that kept the people entertained.

[Anonymous No.1446431]

>>1446405
You taking off your trip to suck your own cock isn't fooling anyone

[Anonymous No.1446452]

>>1446405
>>tfw it only needs $600 worth of batteries to run for 20min.

Makita was selling tool kits at Home Depot with 4x 5.0ah batteries for $299 earlier this year, a backpack blower with 4 batteries wont be that crazy.

Dewalt makes a 40v dual battery 40v backpack blower kit with 7.5ah 40v batteries for around $600, Makita will probobly sell theirs for about the same.

[Anonymous No.1446630]

>>1446005
I work construction and sometimes use coworkers tools if mine were left at another job site. So I have a lot of experience with all of them. The reality is all the main brands are roughly the same (not enough difference to notice any differences). Some drills are just straight up lemons, it happens with all the brands, though. Just like with cars. So I'd suggest keeping the brand you have just because the convenience of having all the same batteries.

[Anonymous No.1446681]

>>1446630
what about the value of upgrading from 14v to 18v + the new battery system?

[Bepis !n/ZnkB9jUw No.1446683]

>>1446681
Nobody in their right mind is going to tell you to spend money on more 14V NiCd tools.

There is going to be such a big difference. Plus you will have the couple batteries and will be able to add to the collection with anything from Makita’s big like of LXT tools.

[Anonymous No.1446685]

>>1446681
For the work I do, 18v is a requirement. I need the torque and batter life. I was strongly considering getting a couple of 12v until someone let me use theirs for a bit. No chance it'd be good enough for what I do day in day out. 14v I've never used.

[Bepis !n/ZnkB9jUw No.1446693]

>>1446685
It’s probably about the same as the 12V tools. The 12V drills and drivers are fine for home use, but the tool lineups aren’t nearly as good as the full size tools from any manufacturers.

Anyway OP has the old NiCd ones. So it’s not even really a question of the upgrade from 14v to 18v, but rather the NiCd to Li-Ion.

>>1446681
Seriously just look at the options of what you could buy in the future with DeWalt’s 14.4V XRP compared to Milwaukee’s 18V LXT. So many saws and impacts and drills and whatever power tools you could possibly want.

[Bepis !n/ZnkB9jUw No.1446696]

>>1446681
>>1446693

[Anonymous No.1446813]

looks like they updated the coffeepot

[Anonymous No.1446833]

>>1446683
ok - I guess the benefit is I can pick up cheaper used tools... and order relatively cheap NiCd batteries from overseas.

[Anonymous No.1447911]

>>1446409

Just filter him like the rest of us.

[Anonymous No.1447914]

>>1446005

I been deciding on a battery ecology. Features are a wash. I dont need jobsite management from Milwaukee, dont need to tweak my motors internals. Makitas auto-on dust collector is marginal but ok I guess, the least useless. In ten years they'll all have the same features.

So basically it's down to particular must have tools. I've heard good things about the RO sander, router, and especially tracksaw from Makita. I need those so Milwaukee is out, and DeWalt while ok seems to be edged out slightly. Also they fucked over previous battery platforms because "fuck off we're DeWalt" so there's that. I like the one battery for everything, double as needed.

Mainly as long as you're on li ion, 18v, and brushless, you're fine. (DeWalt is 18v also, 20v max applies to all the platforms).

[Anonymous No.1447956]

I am forever a Makita fanboy, and I have subscribed to their batteries. But I also like every other brand of drill (except Bosch, fuck bosch), so sometimes I do the unholy.

[Anonymous No.1447988]

>>1447956
delete this immediately

[Anonymous No.1447996]

>>1447956

[Anonymous No.1448038]

>>1447956
oh shit I can do this to my current dewalt tools when I shift over!

[Kevin Van Dam !ZNBx60Gj/k No.1448082]

>>1446833
Yes but how many fucking NiCd batteries do you want to run through over the years when one Li-Ion will keep cranking? Plus I’m sure you can order chinkshit batteries for cheap that will fit the Makitas.

Don’t sink any more money into an outdated platform. It sucks having to give up on a tool that still works, but the new batteries make such a huge difference. Being able to grab a battery that hasn’t touched a charger in 3mos and still having 75% life left is a gamechanger.

>>1447956
Nice. Supposedly it’s pretty easy to swap around those 20V MAX and HF Hercules batteries too.

[Anonymous No.1448083]

>>1447956
>except Bosch, fuck bosch
>>(you)
>>/trash/

[Kevin Van Dam !ZNBx60Gj/k No.1448087]

>>1448083
They have such a mediocre selection of tools in the US. I don’t see any reason to go with them over the other brands.

The Ferd repair guy on Youtube I watch likes to shill for his Bosch 12v impact though.

[Anonymous No.1448140]

>>1446813
they did now it costs over 120$ and you can brew 2 cups of coffee using 2 batteries.

with 6AH 640ml coffee

[Anonymous No.1448144]

>>1448140
>sip

[Anonymous No.1448152]

I buy Ryobi because of the huge range of compatible tools available in their battery eco-system.

Have a tradie mate with 25+ years in the business and he swears by the cheapest shit at the local big-chain hardware stores (Ozito house brand sold at Bunnings). Not because it is good or anything but it's so cheap that when it breaks or gets pinched from the worksite, he just buys another one. That's his newer stuff though, older gear bought years ago or inherited from his dad who was also a builder is Makita (all corded, nothing battery powered). He likes to check out police and storage shed auctions for old tools from Makita and STHIL on the cheap too.

Know a few people with Makita and DeWalt but they are more 'blokes doing odd jobs around the home and for family' situations.

Bosch seems pricey and nobody I know uses it.

Milwaukee seems popular in the states but not very common here as it's not sold in Bunnings.

Shitty Black & Decker aren't sold here in Straya.

[Anonymous No.1448364]

>he hasnt taken the red pill yet

[Anonymous No.1448367]

>>1446005
i always used the makita 18v driver drill combo best bang for your buck in my opinion but i recently traveled 100 miles for a job and forgot my impact driver went to a local pond shop found an unused 20v dewalt impact drill sawzall and light combo for 150 im pretty pleased with it especially for the price

[Anonymous No.1448384]

>>1448364
>he doesn't know what the red pill reallys means

enjoy level 2 matrix you faggot.

[Anonymous No.1448468]

>>1448367
>pawn shop
>unused

you mean.

[Anonymous No.1448495]

>>1448468
people pawn stolen goods, so they snag a driver set from the home depot, sit on it for a few weeks and pawn it

[Beppu !n/ZnkB9jUw No.1448509]

>>1448495
All the fuckin pawn shops around here seem to want nearly full MSRP for that stuff. It’s ridiculous. The prices are often higher than what Home Depot or Lowe’s want when the tools go on sale every other week. Why the fuck would I pay the same at a pawn shop and then have problems with the warranty on my tools because I don’t have a real receipt?

>tfw pic related is $79 full price at HF
I see the $45 HF 3gal compressors at pawn shops all the time too with $60-$100 price tags.

[Anonymous No.1448541]

>>1448468
>>1448495
>you mean stolen

fixed for accuracy.

[Anonymous No.1449581]

>>1446047
Guess I'm not the only one who watches Ave

[Anonymous No.1449586]

if anybody cares Toolbarn sent me this promo code for $20 off Milwaukee stuff.

[Anonymous No.1449670]

>>1448509
I don’t get this either. Maybe pawn shops are just drug fronts for laundered money or something. It’s like they still exist with a pre craigslist mentality.

[Anonymous No.1449745]

>>1449670

Maybe they want to discourage power tool sales because if they do too much business in that, they will end up with people pawning stuff stolen from their jobs or break-ins. So they don't ban tools, they just price them to discourage business.

[Anonymous No.1449792]

I'm not a huge frequenter of /diy/ but I never see people talk about Kobalt power tools here when I do come around. Why is that? Is their 24V stuff any good or nah?

[Beppu !n/ZnkB9jUw No.1449836]

>>1449745
I don’t think they give a fuck or they would refuse to buy/sell them in the first place. The dudes who own them are just greedy hustlers.

>>1449792
>Lowe’s
There’s your problem.

[Anonymous No.1449980]

>>1449745
you'd think lowering the prices they pay customers for pawned tools would do good to discourage the usual tweakers from pawning them. back when i worked at Home Depot we would get out M18 Fuel kits constantly stolen and they would usually end up a one of the Pawn Shops nearby. one of the bigger shops in the area got raided and shut down by the FBI and a bunch of other federal agencies due to the level of financial fraud they had recorded flowing through that place.

there is only one good pawn shop in my area and i only go there because of their cheap FFL transfer fees.

>>1449792
limited tool selection, limited battery options, weird combo kit pricing, few advantages over existing brands, questionable quality from an unknown power tool brand and 100% Chinese manufacturing scares some people off, plus they are the flagship line of Lowes which has been struggling to keep up with their rivals at Home Depot.

a lot of the tests of Kobalt tools shows they are actually quote powerful, up there with Milwaukee's M18 Fuel line. however a lot of people would rather stick with existing tools from existing brands than try something new, especially when the new tools just arnt bringing anything interesting to the table.

[Anonymous No.1450005]

>>1449980
What's the best brand for someone just buying into a system that only does a moderate amount of work now, but can see themselves getting into heavier use in the future?

[Anonymous No.1450030]

>>1450005
Ridgid has a much better selection than Kobalt and you'll barely notice the power difference between Brushless Ridgid 18v tools and Brushless Kobalt 24v. as long as you do it correctly their lifetime warranty will resolve a lot of headaches and they are generally built tough enough to survive heavier jobsite use (good for tradesmen like electricians or plumbers that dont use their tools as heavily as someone doing framing work or something).

for basic homeowners-tier shit there are lots of cheap drills out there but as a tool platform nothing comes close to Ryobi for their selection alone. their new brushless stuff keeps up with the power of higher end brands and they seem to be coming out with more strange tools every month like air pumps, bolt cutters and pesticide sprayers to do every job under the sun. at this point its worth buying Ryobi stuff for their variety alone while having something more capable like Makita or Bosch tools for heavy everyday construction work.

[Beppu !n/ZnkB9jUw No.1450059]

>>1450005
I agree with >>1450030

Can’t go wrong with Ryobi these days, even for moderately heavy use they seem to do good. Porter Cable seems decent and similar prices to Ryobi, but nobody comes close to the selection of tools you never thought you needed until Milwaukee and Ryobi came out with them.

And if you catch the right sales, Milwaukee and DeWalt and sometimes even Makita won’t cost that much more than Ryobi or Porter Cable. Rigid has some steals on their bigger kits too and they’re probably in between the weekend warrior Ryobi and the contractor grade Milwaukee.

[Anonymous No.1450621]

>>1446005
I work as plumper and we useing makita. DON't BUY THIS SHIT ! All of us hate this trash. We bought it because it was at sale. Meanwhile he replace every one fcking makita one by one. If you wanna get electro tools you can use until end of your live, get HILTI. Masterpieces of Switzerland engineers art. They'll work longer than you can. Bosch is nice at well. Not as expensive as hilti.

[Anonymous No.1450719]

>>1450621
>HILTI. Masterpieces of Switzerland engineers art.

kek

[Anonymous No.1450723]

>Better than you need tier:
Hilti, Mac, Fein, Festool/Protool, Ingersol Rand, Snap On, Professional Panasonics, Nemo Underwater

> "Good drill" tier
Dewalt, Makita, Milwaukee, Blue Bosch, Hitatchi, Metabo

>"high end home-use" tier
24v Kobalt, Ridgid

>good enough for around the house tier
Ryobi, porter cable, black and decker, craftsman, Worx, 20v Kobalt, Stanley

>Chinese flea market tier
Chicago Electric, Wen, Hercules, Bauer, Earthquake

>literally who tier
Greenworks, Genesis, Rockwell, Triton, everything else

[Kevin Van Dam !ZNBx60Gj/k No.1450806]

>>1450723
I think Snap On belongs on the second tier aside from having 1st tier pricing. There is no reason to buy their stuff over Milwaukee or even DeWalt.

[Anonymous No.1450815]

i've used milwaukee,makita,hitachi,dewalt,Bosch etc through work and to be honest none of those are even close to Hilti. it is in my opinion by far better than the rest. The build quality is so much better and they have extremely good service if anything would go wrong. Now i haven't seen too many mentions of the brand in this thread so i don't know how known they are in the US but here in Europe they're well known. It's a bit more expensive but well worth it.

[Anonymous No.1450820]

>>1447956
>bought a single Parkside (LIDL) multitool to use with my Makita 18V batteries, didn't need a multitool enough to buy the $140 Makita one
>the shitty LIDL tool has battery verification built in and doesn't run on non-genuine batteries
>Makita doesn't have that despite being 3 price and quality ranges above

At least LIDL gives money back no questions asked.

[Anonymous No.1450826]

>>1450815
It's a lot more expensive, not a bit, buddy.

[Kevin Van Dam !ZNBx60Gj/k No.1450828]

>>1450815
It’s a fleet tool in the US. You won’t find them at home improvement stores next to the Milwaukees and Makitas. I think it’s industries and factories and they’re willing to spend the money so they can have the guy in the Hilti van pull up once a week and make sure the tools are good to run two shifts a day. It’s like the tool trucks for mechanics.

>tfw Harbor Freight just put out a gamechanger
Nobody sells a 1/2” impact with over 500ft-lbs of torque that doesn’t require a compressor or $150 battery.

[Anonymous No.1450931]

>>1450621
> If you wanna get electro tools you can use until end of your live, get HILTI.

I appreciate hilti is a great brand, but I'm just doing diy shit - not full time or anything. besides what good is electronic tools I can use "forever" when new technology comes out every few years? That is the whole issue - people are telling me to upgrade my dewalts because of better battery, etc.

[Kevin Van Dam !ZNBx60Gj/k No.1450957]

>>1450931
I need to buy pic related so badly.

[Anonymous No.1451317]

>>1446031
>30% more marketing

Milwaukee are just bar charts and figures pulled out their ass.

OP, this thread goes on week in week out and people just parrot the same shit. They'll all eventually break and you have a 3 year warranty anyway. Who gives a fuck.

[Anonymous No.1451320]

>>1446289

This was 10 years ago.

>>1446405
>If you need over 30min of runtime, it’s gonna cost about a grand.

It won't but whatever you say guy.

[Anonymous No.1451323]

>>1450723
>"high end home-use" tier
>Ridgid

err...

[Anonymous No.1451327]

>>1448364

>tiny driver
>house brick battery
>redpilled

I bet you let your wifes boyfriend stay at weekends you silly fuck. The HD12 is the battery equivalent to an air cooled motorbike engine, sounds great but it's gonna overheat and stop working.

[Anonymous No.1451375]

>>1451320
With the batteries you're comparing apples to shoelaces. Makita's 36V is 2x18V 5Ah each. Dewalt's FlexVolt is not 56V 5Ah, but 18V 5-9Ah bumped up to 56V. The Milwaukee is so cheap because you are buying a single regular 18V 5Ah battery.

[Anonymous No.1451384]

>>1451375
I'm comparing what each company offers as a flagship product.

This is what they claim to be their best. What else would you rather compare?

>>1451375
>Dewalt's FlexVolt is not 56V 5Ah, but 18V 5-9Ah bumped up to 56V
>Ohms Law is irrelevant

>>1451375
>The Milwaukee is so cheap because you are buying a single regular 18V 5Ah battery.

Because at the time the only comparable product was the 9ah which wouldn't increase performance, only runtime and the performance of the milwaukee unit was the worst of the 4 regardless of what battery was on it.

They're all based on 5ah single battery comparisons bar the flex volt, the lowest being 6ah(18-20v).

Don't blame me because milwaukee make products unable to compete. If you're going to complain, do it about the price of an ego 56v battery that costs £188. The point to begin with which has now been side tracked is the cost to run a 36/56/72 for half an hour, suggested it would be around a grand which simply isn't true.

On the batteries (5ah) each unit would be expected to run for an avg of 15 mins (based on results posted by other users, can't find the comparison right now but for the sake of what I'm saying, consider it to be a close approximation).

[Anonymous No.1451409]

>>1451384
You're not getting the same thing in runtime at all. "Some people said they all run about 15 minutes" doesn't make sense when you consider their performance is within like 20% variation, while the batteries have like 300% variation. This is what the actual performance of each battery is:
>EgoPP 56x5=280Wh (if they bullshit about voltage like DeWalt, it's significantly less, but they list capacity in Wh and it seems accurate)
>Makita 36x5=180Wh
>DeWalt 18x6=108Wh
>Milwaukee 18x5=90Wh
And then you go on to mark the lowest cost and highest cost, which is relevant for the cost of entry, but it's not reflecting the actual value. If you adjust the price for what you get out of the batteries, then you get 67.5/62/80/65 bongs per 100Wh. DeWalt marks up their FlexVolt batteries, so them having the worst value makes sense.
So the conclusions you can draw now are
>EgoPP has far greater runtime than the competition, still the most expensive choice though
>Makita costs the same as DeWalt if you adjust for battery price, you also get two batteries you can use in other tools instead of just one
>Makita has second best runtime, twice as much as the Milwaukee and about 60-80% more than DeWalt
>Milwaukee is still the cheapest one way or another

[Anonymous No.1451417]

>>1451323
Orange ridgid, not red ridgid.

[Anonymous No.1451467]

>>1451409
...so does it cost a grand on any platform for a half hour of runtime or not?

No it doesn't, is the answer.

[Kevin Van Dam !ZNBx60Gj/k No.1451470]

>>1451409
>getting this worked up over an exaggeration by bepis

[Anonymous No.1451480]

>>1451467
>>1451470
I didn't even read bepis's shit, I'm responding to the chart itself, which is put together in a misleading way. I assume it wasn't made purely to disprove him given that it has performance comparison in it.

[Anonymous No.1451818]

>>1446005
Jumping in with my own similar question.

I've had Ryobi cordless tools for several years. Someone bought me a set as a gift and I've just kept slowly adding to it. I'm not a pro or anything, just a homeowner, so they only see occasional use.

The tools have been alright, but lately their battery quality is awful. I've had three batteries die on me, all within the last year. And their customer service is dogshit. They refuse to honor their warranty and replace them.

So I'm looking to replace the stuff with another brand and looking for recommendations.

I work for Bosch and that seems like the obvious choice, but wanted to see what other people have used and recommend.

[Anonymous No.1451820]

>>1451818
Bosch is not really the popular choice, but if you can get them at a discount, it might be worth it. The go-to brands are Dewalt, Milwaukee and Makita, or just Makita if you are in the EU because the other two are overpriced here. There aren't any significant differences in quality between these three brands.

[Anonymous No.1451822]

>>1451820
I'm in the US.

I've got several Bosch corded power tools already, and have had no trouble with any of them. They do a reconditioned tool sale for employees twice a year with really good discounts, so I was thinking of stocking up at the next one.

My biggest problem with Bosch is that they don't have a lot of 18V cordless tools beyond the basic stuff. I like Makita because they've got stuff like a 36v cordless blower and chainsaw.

[Anonymous No.1451829]

>>1451822
Rather than the chainsaw, I'd recommend the sawzall. You can get up to 25cm blades for it and they cut through pretty much anything you'd use an electric chainsaw for, plus they cut metal ridiculously well too with some coolant. I've even cut a 20mm solid steel round stock with mine and it went through better than an angle grinder would've.

[Anonymous No.1451830]

>>1451822
>>1451829
Also, on the reconditioned tools, it might be possible to run Bosch 18V tools on Makita batteries. Some brands have DRM in their tools, but most still don't, don't know about Bosch. As long as it only has two nickel tabs on the bottom, it shouldn't have DRM.

[Anonymous No.1451838]

OP here. I was all set to make the jump to makita and then forgot to bid on the auction. Kit's went for $70 :(

[Kevin Van Dam !ZNBx60Gj/k No.1451845]

>>1451838
Are you in the US? Just wait for a sale on new Dewalt 20V or Milwaukee M18 from one of the big stores. You can get a driver and impact kit plus two batteries for around $100 if you buy at the right time.

Either way, don’t waste any more money on that old DeWalt 14V NiCd bullshit.

[Anonymous No.1451857]

>>1451480

No, it was something from a while back comparing the blowers on performance, but that wasn't what I was trying to argue - it was the cost over run time, given the prices of each 5ah battery and the average 15 minutes runtime, it wouldn't cost a grand for a half hours worth, even on a 4x battery platform.

[Anonymous No.1452354]

I have a bunch of Milwaukee 12v stuff and I love it. It's great for my job.

I have a DeWalt 20v hammer drill and impact gun and I love them, but DeWalt shit seems unncessarily expensive so I am debating if I should build on my 20v Dewalt line or go Milwaukee across the board.

[Kevin Van Dam aka Bepis !ZNBx60Gj/k No.1452421]

>>1452354
Milwaukee and Dewalt are right about the same price. If anything sometimes the cheaper DeWalt stuff costs less than the cheaper Milwaukee.

But if you’re trying to compare Milwaukee 12V prices to DeWalt 20V, that would be true except it’s apples and oranges.

[Anonymous No.1452558]

>>1446221
>>1446225
i have the smaller dur181 and it's great
it only uses one 18v battery but if you have 2 4Ah you could work around the clock with it

>>1450820
hahaha wtf
it's like a box wine would be insulted that someone put it in a wine cellar

[Anonymous No.1452562]

>>1446031
I work construction makita is cheap ass junk dewalt is owner by black and decker and milwaukee is great hilti best

[Anonymous No.1452685]

>>1451845
cool, I'll keep my eyes out.

>>1452558
the cordless trimmer? that just blows my mind that something like that or a chainsaw would work on batteries. I guess I'm just so used to have gas powered ones - its like... 1 mental leap to electric, 2nd mental leap to batteries. mind blown.

>>1452562
yeah and if I ever with a 30,000 gear shopping sprees, I'll include that with my snap on gear. I'm not paying $400 for an impact driver

[Anonymous No.1452873]

>>1450815
Hilti arent worth it at all. What so better about hilti?
We have them at work. The anchors and concrete repair kits along with the rotary lasers are great dont get me wrong.
But their basic (overpriced ) 32 volt batterys and skins arent that great.
Drills have short chucks and dont grip metal drill bits that great.
Pins on the 1/2" rattle guns fall off. So changing impact sockets is a PITA
The batteries ARE interchangable but the often bind up and hard to connect/release. Not to mention how retarded it is to check the battery level when its on the tool
The skill saws, sds drills are ok but again they are very basic and the range of accesories that are available from hilti are limited when compared to the red/blue /yellow options.

Also I dont get how you can honestly say that hilti are so much better. How?

[Anonymous No.1452884]

>>1452873
im not a brand loving guy but in opinon hilti are realy one of top tools you can use.

i´m using a hilti cordless drill for drilling holes in ipe 200-500 steelbeams,

a hilti cordless angele grinder to cut of bolts and anchors of 20mm diameter

a cordless sds drill to drill holes with 16mm diameter in reenforced concrete

an 1/2 impact driver to screw M20 bolts thight

all tols are powered by 22Volt 5,2 Ah batteries and they all work normaly 2 years straigt without breaking down and i use this tools everyday for 8-10 houers.

the next best thing you can buy are tools from Fein.

[Anonymous No.1452973]

>>1452685
yeah i was just as sceptic as you
I bought it initially for my mom because my gas powered one is way to heavy for her (and so she could use my batteries)
but now i dont see why someone with a smaller garden (or one thats not overgrown) shouldn't exclusively use one.

those chainsaws though i'd like to test how long one lasts myself

[Anonymous No.1453052]

my order of goodies from Toolbarn finally arrived, $213 for everything with free shipping and a discount code. it ends up Home Depot has the same deal going with a free ratchet when you buy a Hackzall kit but it is only available in stores and all the locations near me are out of stock of one of the two tools i wanted.

[Anonymous No.1453054]

>>1453052
it eases my autism to have a fully filled out drive bit case, i really just wanted a single 3" #2 phillips extension bit and a double sided bit but they dont sell them individually in most stores.

[Anonymous No.1453365]

>>1453054
>>1453052
do you have other M12 stuff? I just sold off my old dewalt NiCad set and i'm debating between the M12 Fuel, the M18 non-fuel brushless or some makita LXT.

[Anonymous No.1453392]

>>1453365
i already have the older M12 Fuel drill set, picked up a multitool because of a couple really weird cuts i needed to do and a rotary tool to replace my aging corded Dremel. i mostly just wanted another battery and a sawzall to expand what i could do with the tool set; im no mechanic but the ratchet looked to be the most useful of the free tools being offered right now when you buy a M12 kit.

also got these neat Kaizen foam inserts for the Milwaukee tool case, i know a lot of people just throw hardcases away as soon as they buy them but i dont use my tools enough to need them within arms reach in a tool bag every day and i like to keep my stuff nice and organized when not in use.

[Anonymous No.1453394]

>>1453392
have you done any larger projects with the drill set? deck, porch, shed, fencing, etc.? my main concern is the power and battery life, if it's worth compromising for not a whole lot of cost savings. though the rest of the lineup has some nifty stuff in it.

also not sure if those combi hammer/driver drills are worth it vs just a regular drill/driver, either would be alongside the impact of course. i've read issues with the overheating, getting stuck in hammer mode, etc.

[Anonymous No.1453398]

>>1453392
this is the layout im planning for the foam, just need to work out where to put the rest of the sawzall blades i have laying around.

[Anonymous No.1453402]

>>1453398
if you lower the hackzall or even flip it, will the blades fit in the top part long-ways?

[Anonymous No.1453411]

>>1453394
biggest project i ever tacked with them was a small 16' x 16' elevated deck for a handicapped campsite area. took some time but the impact driver could handle a couple big 12" Timberlock screws reinforcing the joist hangers in the frame, for the top deck we used composite non-interlocking decking that needed to be pre-drilled so one person ran the drill while the other drove in 2" deck screws. we rotated through 3 batteries at the time, one on each tool and one on the charger while we worked.

i think they are great for small projects like that or for specialty tradesman like electricians that just need a little tool in their bag when they need it but if i were working all day long framing houses or putting up siding or something id rather have a beefy full-sized tool that you know wont overheat, will run all day without complains and wont break if you drop if off your roof. its not a slight at Milwaukee or M12 stuff but i cant see something that small doing as well a a 20lb Hilti Demolition Hammer after dropping it 20ft onto a slab.

hammer drills are fine, its nice to have that extra feature even if i will very rarely ever use it. its actually nice to see it becoming so common in US drill kits now, not too long ago hammer drills were a premium feature reserved only for the premium drills in a manufacturer's line-up.

[Anonymous No.1453493]

>>1452562
>I work construction makita is cheap ass junk dewalt is owner by black and decker and milwaukee is great hilti best


I guarentee this guy knows more about brooms and shovels than he does powertools. Hilti are no better than any other brand, it's just perpetuated bullshit who see the high price, lichtenstein brand and presume the two mean better quality. It doesn't.

There's a reason Hilti give such a great warranty to match such a high price - that shit breaks down and rather than take on a bad rep they just swap it for new, no questions.

He's saying 100% made in China Milwaukee is great while Made in the US/Japan/UK/EU/Aus/China Makita is cheap ass junk. He's talking bullshit is what he's doing.

>>1452873
>Hilti arent worth it at all. What so better about hilti?
Nothing. They put the same copper and plastic into their tools that any other brand do. Just so happens theirs are often heavy as shit.

>>1452884
>all work normaly 2 years straigt without breaking down
This isn't great. If I don't manage at least 5 years from any of my cordless tools, it hasn't been a wise investment.>>1452884
>the next best thing you can buy are tools from Fein.
More perpetuated muh german bullshit. Fein have great OMTs and a couple of nice cordless drills. Certainly not worth the money.

>>1453398
>brand new tools
>kaizen foam
Kid, stop posting; I don't know how you can convincingly persuade people what tools are decen't when they've had no use and you mother them.

[Anonymous No.1453495]

>>1453493
literally took that hackzall out of the box yesterday, of course it hasnt seen any use yet.

[Anonymous No.1453530]

>>1453398
I guess it won't matter too much - but I hate how foam degrades after like 10 years. gets a horrible feeling and ends up everywhere breaking down and shit.

[Beppu !n/ZnkB9jUw No.1453534]

>>1453530
There’s nothing like thay gritty foam residue mixed in with oil getting in the motor of the tools and shit. It smells awful too.

>>1453398
That free tool deal made me wanna kick myself in the ass for getting that Rigid set. Could’ve grabbed the M12 Drill + Impact kit and got the free ratchet.

[Anonymous No.1453632]

>>1453398
i feel like a accomplished a thing today.

cutting and trimming is actually pretty easy with this stuff, just start shallow with the basic outline and remove additional material as needed to sink the tool lower into the foam.

[Anonymous No.1453642]

>Milwaukee
Never again. Really disappointed with the longevity of the Fuel tools I've had. Nothing but HEAVY MARKETING®

I'm switching to teal. well, burgundy in this case. This driver is the tits.

[Anonymous No.1453646]

>>1453632
are you going to cut a groove in the top for more blades?

[Anonymous No.1453647]

>>1453632
I like it but you will end up getting tired of having to set the damn things in the slots each time, just ditch the foam now

[Anonymous No.1453650]

>>1453642
ive always been fascinated by all the different colors Makita tools come in over in Japan. in the US tool colors are a huge part of brand marketing, and its all about "team red" or "team yellow" but Makita Japan doesnt give a fuck and puts out their tools in 8 different colors for shits and giggles.

i still want one of these black brushless hybrid impact hammer drill/drivers but im not paying $350+shipping on ebay for one from Japanese scalpers.

[Anonymous No.1453652]

Milwaukee

[Anonymous No.1453655]

>>1453632
see >>1453647

Whenever I see non-precision tools babied/stored in this way, it just makes me think they must not get used a lot. It's great if you are a casual user and want to protect your gear, but if you are a frequent or heavy user, this organizational system is gonna be a real pain in the ass.

[Anonymous No.1453657]

>>1453646
i think im going to run a notch along the top around 9in long, which should be enough for most types of blades to fit. i messed around with a couple different positions and that one gave me the most room to work with along the top for longer accessories.

only thing i need to do tonight is hot glue the foam to the bottom of the case, with the sheets cut down in size they are a little loose in the case.

[Anonymous No.1453661]

>>1453642
is the 3-speed function worth the extra cost on that driver? i'm looking at a few different brushless combos
>$269 for XDT13 impact (no speed button) and the XPH07 hammer/drill/driver
>$299 for XDT14 (3 speed impact) & XPH07
>$232 for XDT01 (earlier version of XDT14) & XPH07

all 3 come with 2x 4.0ah batteries, which has me leaning towards the XDT01 + XPH07

[Anonymous No.1453667]

>>1453650
these things seem like the>>1453661
If you can find a set with the XDT12, I'd recommend that. As far as what you listed, the xdt14/xph07 is what i'd go for. The multiple speeds are nice for different types of work. If you want to save a few bucks, the xdt01 is fine.

Depends on what you are doing I suppose. The XPH07 is a beast, really love that hammer drill.

[Anonymous No.1453668]

>>1453661
If you can find a set with the xdt12, I'd recommend that. As far as what you listed, the xdt14/xph07 is what i'd go for. The multiple speeds are nice for different types of work, especially if you're doing delicate/finish work. If you want to save a few bucks, the xdt01 is fine.

Depends on what you are doing I suppose. The XPH07 is a beast, really love that hammer drill.

[Anonymous No.1453670]

>>1453650
seems like the jack of all trades/master of none.

1/4 drive drill bits are lame, MUCH rather have a dedicated drill and dedicated driver. Makes for faster work having a dedicated tool

[Anonymous No.1453671]

>>1453661
There is a huge size different between the XDT13/14 and the older Makita impact driver models, they are some of the smallest tools ive ever seen and the motors are super quiet. its also one of the most comfortable tools ive ever held in my hand, the batteries balance well with the motor and the grips are nice and slim, unlike fatter tools like the M12 stuff.

the TP141D is larger than Makita's other impacts because it is both an impact driver and a hammer drill with an electronic clutch function, giving you all the functions of both tools in one. its a bit of a gimmick but ive heard plenty of people asking for a single tool that does both but that model is only sold in Japan and the UK.

[Anonymous No.1453676]

>>1453671
THIS^^
>>1453661

[Anonymous No.1453692]

>>1453671
>>1453676
thanks guys. from what i can tell the brushed XDT11 impact is similar in size to the XDT01 and they have the 11s and 13/14s at home depot. gonna run over there and see if the size is enough of a concern for the $68 difference.

or if i play my cards right i can just sell it on craigslist and buy a new bare 14 when the price drops.

[Anonymous No.1453712]

>>1453692
around Christmas time and other big sales Home Depot will have the XDT13 in a kit with a charger, hardcase and 3.0Ah battery for $99, its great deal for that price if you dont want a full combo kit.

[Anonymous No.1453735]

Go for the mini battery-in-handle versions. I have this Bosche set and LOVE them. Nice little sawzall too.

So small. So maneuverable.

[Anonymous No.1453763]

>>1452873
ive never had a hilti break down on me however ive had 3 or 4 milwaukee impact drivers break down on me aswell as 1 saw. Makita started acting funny after just 2 months or so. I use impact drivers 5 days a week atleast more than any other tool. I can agree on checking battery charge is retarded though.

[Anonymous No.1453812]

>>1453493
>Fein have great OMTs and a couple of nice cordless drills.
They make good portable drills and OMT since they literally invented this shit.
Coincidentally these are the only Fein products reasonable for normal (hardcore /diy/) user (though the drills are a bit of a strech)
For the rest no amount of hobby or light professional use will warrant the price
(except muh "i wanna see my grandkids using my tools in 50 years)

>Certainly not worth the money.
I disagree - I got my multimaster for less than the competitors (like Bosch) and usually it's only slightly pricier (this may be specific for the euro market though)

>>1453650
>not importing a color matching JDM makita for your JDM car
>not importing a japanese ashtray so it smells like japanese cigarettes in there
>do you even /o/

[Anonymous No.1453820]

>>1453812
id rather have a gold one.

[Anonymous No.1454071]

>>1453812
>>not importing a color matching JDM makita for your JDM car
goddamn it now I want it

[Anonymous No.1454287]

>>1453820
for me it's the metallic teal one
dang that color would look great on a car

>>1454071
do it
embrace your inner /o/

[Anonymous No.1454465]

>>1446630

This pretty much.

I've used everything and at the high end all brands work out roughly the same in terms of longevity and effectiveness.

My milwaukee stuff performs great but then so do all my coworkers 4 year old dewalt and makita tools too.
Doesn't really matter.
I chose milwaukee literally because I like the look of the tools as opposed to the makita stuff I see day in day out. Also because it makes it easier to avoid mixing up batteries and chargers with other lads on site. Costs a bit more but it's nothing in the long run.

How you maintain the gear and what bits/accessories you use makes a much bigger difference generally than whether or not it says makita or dewalt or milwaukee on the side.

[Anonymous No.1454990]

>>1447956
holly mollllyyy mothaaa fuckaaaaa

and for OP
for 100 bucks ?!?! the fuck just get one

[Anonymous No.1455074]

>>1446005
Haven't heard a lot about Makita but they're comfy it seems. What I have heard is generally positive.

>DeWalt 14V

That shit's old, yo. Ditch it.

>>1446025
This. Before I did much DIY all I pretty much owned was a standard drill driver. When that broke I went and bought a pair of DeWalt 20V li-ion drill & driver. My life has since changed.

>>1446031
Fuck Milwaukee. At least anecdotally. Friend of mine does finish work daily, worked in carpentry in some fashion or another for ten years or so. A year ago he got a big hard-on for Milwaukee (admittedly the 18V Fuel has a little more power than the brushless DeWalt 20V) and in that time he had two batteries fail almost immediately, two impacts fail and a sliding miter saw fail. All within a year.

He went back to DeWalt, which he had before, but he's an idiot and got rid of it all when he went to Milwaukee. This time at least he is getting all Flexvolt 60V stuff.

FWIW he says he mostly sees DeWalt by the professionals with some Milwaukee and Makita and Ridgid for the Mexican day laborers. He also says anyone that shows up with B&D/PC or Ryobi tends to break their shit before long.

Really though, someone has the worst experience with any brand at some point. I say go with whichever system you think has the tools that will best suit your needs. I started with DeWalt and by and large every cordless tool I've wanted they have had something to offer. Every now and then I see something from Milwaukee or even Ryobi that I want, but I don't want to have different batteries and chargers.

But yeah, stick with one thing when you can. I now have a good amount of DeWalt batteries and even got some of the lawncare stuff.

>>1446405
>If you need over 30min of runtime, it’s gonna cost about a grand.
Chances are anyone that buys that leafblower already has four batteries anyway.

[Anonymous No.1456172]

FYI to all you fags. Home Depot has a labor day sale r/n selling milwaukee m18 impact driver/drill combo kit w/ two batteries and an 18/12volt charger for only $150. it's gen 1 but still very dope shit

[Anonymous No.1456173]

>>1455074
HVAC installer guy here. In my trade it's mostly milwaukee. Some ridgid and dewalt interchangeable in second and third.

Milwaukee's impacts smoke dewalt.

Milwaukee for driving. DeWalt for drilling.

[Anonymous No.1456179]

>>1456173
>Milwaukee for driving. DeWalt for drilling.

Another HVAC pro here. In my shop we would add: Ryobi for drilling holes in wood smaller than 1/2". And of course Makita for driving fasteners that have hex heads.

[Beponymous No.1456196]

>>1456172
They have a Makita kit like that too. I have been back and forth between the Home Depot and Wells Fargo tabs many times the past 24hrs.

I kinda want to go with DeWalt 20V though. I would rather have Milwaukee, but if I get DeWalt stuff, I can buy one of those battery adapters and still use some of my old 18V XRP tools with the new 20V Li-Ion batteries and slowly upgrade all of it over time.

[Anonymous No.1456366]

>>1456196
shit I've gone full on "dad" mode I guess. I just got excited about a balor day sale

[Anonymous No.1456403]

Hilti is for drilling into rocks for diamonds (and drilling holes for shots). That's it. The rental reason is for the general tool fail rate on intensive jobsites.

Milwaukee is for every professional shot drilling piping professional, and other things

Makita is pure wood

Bosch is some sickly NBA player

DeWalt is the DIY special


I see Ridged in my job for their piping tools which few others try to compete with. Their other options are Milwaukee territory

>t. Steamfitter

[Anonymous No.1456454]

>>1456403
>I see Ridged in my job for their piping tools which few others try to compete with.

just remember that there are two different Ridgid brands out there with pretty much nothing to do with each other. Red Ridgid is commercial/industrial plumbing tools, they've been around for a while and produce quality stuff. Orange Ridgid is Home Depot's In-House brand, they license the name and throw it on their shop vacs and rebranded AEG power tools made by TTI. the quality is up for debate but they have the best warranty out there and they fit the mid-level role between Ryobi and Milwaukee.

[Anonymous No.1456559]

>>1446025
Oh god yes. After getting one I couldn't live without it now.

>>1450030
All the older model brushed 18v ryobi tools are cheap as fuck now that they're pushing their brushless stuff. I've got the whole set. I'll go to brushless after these wear out but for now they do everything I need.

[Anonymous No.1456582]

>>1456403
>Hilti is for drilling into rocks

Better use real German tools like DR BENDER
and feel the 12,0000W hand wound Motor supply with 1000 Hz by a water cooled 3 phase high frequency drive.

[Anonymous No.1456588]

JUST FSCKING DRILL IT ALREADY! GET BACK TO WORK!!!

[Anonymous No.1456590]

>>1456582
i mean 12KW 120Kw would be to much

[Anonymous No.1457119]

>>1446214
I know this is an old post but would you rather have two 4.0ah batteries or one 9.0ah battery? How much of a difference is there between 4.0ah and 5.0?

[Anonymous No.1457194]

This guy is selling makita shit really cheap on craigslist. I'm gonna go over there. How do I make sure I'm not getting totally ripped off. He says the batteries are new.

=================================

These are NEW MAKITA 18 volt assorted lithium bare tools===JUST THE TOOLS==BATTERIES AND CHARGERS ARE NOT INCLUDED, BUT ARE AVAILABLE SEPARATELY. Phone BETWEEN 10AM-5PM. 7 DAYS. NOT A STORE.
Bob

FAST CHARGER===$45===NOW $39
Makita 6 led work light===$6===NOW $5
Double FAST charger===$69===NOW $59


Impact driver====$49====Now $39
HAMMER DRILL===$39===NOW $35
BLACK SUBCOMPACT BRUSHLESS IMPACT===$59===NOW $39

Makita LXT 2.0ah Battery===$34
Makita LXT 3.0ah Battery===$39
Makita LXT 4.0ah Battery===$49

HAMMER DRILLS
LXT Hammer drill (hammer drill, drill, power screwdriver)==$49===NOW $35

IMPACT DRIVERS
LXT impact driver $49===NOW $39
Brushless impact driver $69===NOW $55

Contractor bags $10-$20

[Anonymous No.1457211]

>>1457194
sounds like he ripped off somebody's work van full of Makita tools and its selling them off piece by piece.

[Anonymous No.1457575]

>>1457211
he's says hes liquidating his store, and hes an old guy in his 70s. so I dunno.

[Kevin Van Dam !ZNBx60Gj/k No.1457653]

>>1457575
Go check it out as soon as you can.

Prices like that dude could be liquidating some kits and just trying to break even. Who knows. If it’s real, they won’t last long at that price.

[Anonymous No.1457776]

>>1457653
went by and everything was gone except for 4 batteries and a hammer drill or two. Saw that he had racks of dewalt stuff.

I was in a hurry, and should have paid closer attention. I spent $330 and got

Brushless Drill Driver and Impact Driver
Charger
1.5AH Battery

Circular saw ( magnesium shoe)
5AH batteries x2

Everything is new.

I thought the 5AH batteries were like $130 each, so thought it was a killing, and wasn't worrying about the prices on the bare tools. - but looking around it seems like they are more like $60 if you shop around. So I think all I really saved was like 15% on cost and tax. And warranty probably doesn't count since I can't show a receipt.

[Beppu !n/ZnkB9jUw No.1457910]

>>1457776
Really? $60 for 5Ah? Oh well that’s not a bad deal at all with the brushless stuff and big batteries. Sounds like a nice saw too.

I need new 18-20v tools one of these days. So tempting.

[Anonymous No.1458274]

>>1457910
yeah I should have done something like this. It was like I bait and switched myself lol.

[Bepis !n/ZnkB9jUw No.1458333]

>>1458274
I figured you already had some Makitas and you were adding on, that would be a steal. I don’t think you wasted the money by any means, I hope you never need to warranty something though.

That Milwaukee kit just came up as the “Deal Of The Day”. If you gotta start from scratch, those big kits on sale are great. Only two little batteries and I don’t think anything is brushless unfortunately.

[Anonymous No.1458359]

>>1458333
Thanks, thats good to hear. I feel like I got a decent deal, with some eq that is slightly better than the kit stuff. It just wasn't the total steal I talked myself into.

>I figured you already had some Makitas and you were adding on,

Nah, was thinking about making the jump because I saw an actual steal ( $70 for a drill driver kit ), and that got the wheels turning about upgrading my gear. I've only had 1 new power tool in my life lol. Lots of hand me downs and CL shopping. I think I am comfortable going with dewalt too, because there seems to be more used gear on CL. So I can pick up tools on the cheap that are "nice to have" but that I don't really need.

I feel a bit like a kid waiting for christmas now ( They are going into the closet until xmas as presents from wife and kids ).

Thanks to everyone in this thread btw. Was very helpful to talk through this stuff, and get everyone's input.

[Bepis !n/ZnkB9jUw No.1458382]

>>1458359
>going into the closet til xmas
Fuck, you have way more self control then me. I would be out there crashing my car into the fence so I can tell the girl I need my new tools to rebuild it.

[Anonymous No.1458472]

>>1458382
Well, we were driving to a family thing, and I said

>hey honey, I'm gonna stop here for a sec, brb
>walks out with $300 in power tools
>money is a bit tight

So shelving it until Christmas kills a few birds with one stone.
>girl aint mad, less presents she has to shop for
>I get cool shit

But yeah, I really wanna take em for a spin. The lights on the front or drivers seem really annoying, but people have said they are awesome.

[Bepis !n/ZnkB9jUw No.1458503]

>>1458472
My new Rigid 12V set is the first drill and impact I have owned with lights on it and they’re more useful than I expected. They were nice to have when rebuilding my workbench since I was driving a lot of screws from the bottom of the new surface. Even with extra lighting, you’re going to get a shadow from your hand and/or the tool and those LEDs on the driver solve that problem.

[Anonymous No.1458727]

>>1449792
>>1449836
>>1449980

I want to get a combo kit with a drill and an impact driver. Home gamer stuff, hobby work including wood/light metal/automotive. I have a 24v Kobalt 3/8ths drive impact wrench, I like it well enough for my uses, other than being a little weak for busting lugs. In the future I also want a sawzall and maybe a circular saw. Should i just fuck off the Kobalt brand and get dewilt?

[Bepis !n/ZnkB9jUw No.1458750]

>>1458727
That Kobalt stuff doesn’t seem bad. And their batteries are dirt cheap. But the lineup isn’t very expansive like Milwaukee or DeWalt.

[Anonymous No.1458754]

>>1458750
They have everything I'm looking for now and for the forseeable future, so I think I'll probably hop on it.

My main worry is a shitty kobalt air impact I had shit the bed after 1 use. But I figure those are assembled by completely different chinese slave labour departments.

[Bepis !n/ZnkB9jUw No.1458759]

>>1458754
They gotta be manufactured by another company, right? All of that shit is contracted. Kobalt screwdriver will be made by a factory that does 25 different screwdriver brands, the wrenches come from another company. Home Depot’s store brand Rigid is made by the company that makes Milwaukee and Ryobi.

Then again if you only have one Kobalt impact and one battery, now would be the time to buy a Milwaukee kit before you get in too deep with the blue.

>tfw saw an add for $100 off a Milwaukee starter kit if I bring in two other branded tools and two batteries
I’m about to bring them 6 old 18V Dewalt tools and batteries.

[Anonymous No.1458772]

>>1458727
they have quality stuff but im worried about the long-term endurance of the brand, especially with Lowes also carrying the new Craftsman line.

[Bepis !n/ZnkB9jUw No.1458775]

>>1458772
They won’t start selling the C3 stuff through Lowe’s, will they? I hope not. I would never buy Kobalt or Craftsman cordless because of the same reason as you.

[Anonymous No.1459253]

>>1458772
>>1458759

Do yall have any experience with CPO milwaukee? There's a lot of good savings on here for "factory reconditioned" tools.

[Anonymous No.1460610]

>>1446005
Closest thread to a too thread,
How does /diy/ feel about manufacturers putting shit in cheap duffle bags instead of making proper hard plastic cases for tools?

For me, I like the hard cases. They are easier to stack and organize instead of having a mountain of unstable fabric and dead weight in the corner of the room crushing everything and snapping all my cut off disks.
I feel this is just a push to sell that gimmicky modular plastic till box cart thing and it's kinda pissing me off.

[Bepis !n/ZnkB9jUw No.1460614]

>>1460610
Go watch AvE with the rest of Reddit. He hates the blow molded boxes and would rather have a bag.

To each his own.

[Anonymous No.1460619]

>>1460614
I agree to each their own, but I feel there should atleast be the option of getting the case.
How many bags does a person really need? If every tool is coming in a bag you end up with tons of them. With the case route you can have your standard work bag and if you really don't want the case just recycle it or sell it on eBay.

What does Ave and redit have to do with anything? I asked /diy/

[Anonymous No.1460622]

>>1460610
I like bags better because I can carry more than one single fucking tool around at a time. Throw all the things ill need in a bag, put hardware/extras in the pockets, good to go

[Anonymous No.1460628]

>>1460622
Assuming you've gotten Multiple bags with power tools at this point, do you use all of the bags or just one in particular and have a pile of bags that don't actually get used?

[Anonymous No.1460635]

>>1460628
I have 2 and the second one is used tor chargers or extra batteries usually. Although more than this would be wasteful. I would like having a choice as long as I could choose neither

[Anonymous No.1460636]

>>1460635
>I would like having a choice as long as I could choose neither
Lol

[Bepis !n/ZnkB9jUw No.1460678]

>>1460619
I would say the opposite. You can get one big bag and fit a ton of tools in there. Or you can get one blow molded case and only fit one tool and have to carry a second bag anyway.

Watch a couple AvE videos and you will begin to see the parallels between his dumb canuck ass and a good portion of the posts here.

[Anonymous No.1460684]

>>1460678
>parallels between his dumb canuck ass and a good portion of the posts here.
Feel free to leave at any time, your signal to noise ratio is nowhere near worth the drama you generate.

[Anonymous No.1460697]

>>1460610
most people ive talked to toss the boxes or leave them on a shelf in their garage. most people just stick with tool bags in their vehicle and toss in what they needed before heading out.

i like having cases to keep my tools organzied when not in use but i can see people who use their stuff on a regular basis just be happy to have a bag dedicated to certain types of jobs and just grabbing a couple extra batteries before heading out. people with stationary workshops just leave their tools on a shelf or make their own storage racks when their collection gets too large.

[Anonymous No.1460717]

>>1460610
>instead of making proper hard plastic cases for tools?
I think they both suck. I've been around long enough to remember when tools came in metal boxes. Man did the early plastic boxes suck. They have gotten better but they still have problems. The latches always break on me after a few years. Or the hinges. Or it gets dropped or has something fall on it and the plastic cracks. Bags hold up better but they are by their very nature disposable. I don't expect as much from them.

Whenever I buy vintage tools, if they have the boxes, the metal boxes are always in much better shape or in a repairable state. Rust, paint, broken lates, who cares? A trip to the hardware store and I have what I need to fix it. When its plastic its always fucked. Sun bleached, broken latches (especially one-piece plastic hinges), cracks, fuck. With metal boxes generally, the only thing I have to consider is if the inner tray wandered off.

[Anonymous No.1460721]

>>1460678
You keep talking about ave but I don't see what that has to do with the topic we are discussing. Are you referencing a video (s) in particular? If so what one(s) and at what time in the video.

[Anonymous No.1460724]

>>1460717
>Or it gets dropped or has something fall on it and the plastic cracks
But at that point it's your too that is taking the damage when the bag is being given credit for bet getting fucked up.
I wish metal boxes were still a thing. I've been considering making my item metal boxes for stuff.

>one-piece plastic hinges
Fuck those things so much. Basically consider the car a throw away piece when I see those, unless you care enough to bolt cabinet hinges to it.

[Anonymous No.1460733]

>>1460717
>. Man did the early plastic boxes suck. They have gotten better but they still have problems
fuck this blow mold bullshit. can't use the damn box for anything else

[Bepis !n/ZnkB9jUw No.1460744]

>>1460721
Any of the power tools that come in a plastic molded case, he bitches and moans about them in the beginning of the video when he opens them up and says they should come in a contractor bag instead. Of the 3 or 4 videos I could tolerate, I remember him doing it in the Hercules drill review.

>>1460684
Huh? I don’t undetstand, I was busy makin babies.

>>1460697
At least those boxes in your pic can be customized to fit more than one tool.

[Anonymous No.1460755]

>>1460744
>Any of the power tools that come in a plastic molded case, he bitches and moans about them in the beginning of the video when he opens them up and says they should
Oh I caught remember something about that but it seems like he was bitching about the hinges, which for the flap hinges that's fair game.

>Customized to fit...
Not him
My grinder case had a shot to fit a stack of discuss probably 20 tall. I like that it keeps them from breaking. Holds the grinders, handle, both thin and think gaurd, and any disk I want. Can even cram safety glasses in there.
I would be afraid to put disks or glasses in the bag dealt is giving out.
I do like the look of that guys arrangement, though the pattern doesn't seem to make sense with the ratchet +hex keys

>>1460697
Neat

[Anonymous No.1460774]

>>1457119
I have metabo because I'm speshul, get 1 hi cap battery in addition to your low cap battery. Most fast chargers get your hi cap up in <1hr and even low cap batteries will last that long under normal job site usage. If you have money to blow, 2 4-5 AH batteries is best, but only if you are away from the charger frequently. What is more important than the charge length on the 4vs5 AH decision is sometimes size. It can be nice to fit your gun in somewhere to get that last screw in place. Same goes for weight. Also, look at price/AH. You might be able to get 3 4's for the price of 2 5's.

Personally, I only use a cordless drill/driver. Everything else I have is corded or gas, just personal preference.

in progress

[Anonymous No.1460776]

>>1460774
finished

[Anonymous No.1461346]

so i just found out that Makita is finally selling their Brushless Hybrid Driver in the US. its a little pricy at $260 for a bare tool but its a really unique product that they've only been selling in Japan and the UK for years. power figures wont blow you away but its capable of keeping up with standard drills and impacts and does everything you'll need in one sleek package.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Makita-18-Volt-LXT-Lithium-Ion-Brushless-Cordless-Hybrid-4-Function-Impact-Hammer-Driver-Drill-Tool-Only-XPT02Z/301827828

https://www.protoolreviews.com/tools/power/cordless/drills-drivers-cordless/makita-hybrid-impact-hammer-drill-driver-review-xpt02/39612/

>hurr but what about muh chuck

they make drilling and masonry bits with 1/4" hex shanks now, thats not a legit excuse anymore.

[Beppu !n/ZnkB9jUw No.1461387]

>>1461346
Damn I never knew that thing had a hammer mode too. Do any of their regular impact drivers have a hammer mode, or just that hydraulic one?

It’s kinda nice having the drill bits with the hex shank. I got a Milwaukee Shockwave bit set that has all sorts of driver bits plus a socket adapter and like half a dozen hex shank drill bits. Makes it so easy that I can grab an impact and one little bit set and go drop some drywall anchors in for my old cat lady neighbor when she wants to hang something.

[Anonymous No.1461676]

>>1461346
What's it a hybrid of?
The wording makes it sound like it's combining lithium ion and brushless which is standard
If the drill/driver thing is supposed to be what makes it a hybrid, that's standard to

[Anonymous No.1461689]

>>1461676
its a hybrid since it combines all the features of a hammer drill and an impact driver into one tool. the selector ring around the chuck switches between modes with the finer settings like the electronic clutch controlled with the control panel at the bottom of the grip.

[Anonymous No.1461736]

>>1461689
Oh that's kinda neat. I wonder how it really performs though

[Anonymous No.1462972]

Picked up a Milwaukee combo kit.
Drill
Impact driver
Sawzall
Work light
3 m18 batteries, charger
Drill/driver bits
Metal cutting blades for sawzall

All for $402

[Anonymous No.1463080]

>>1448364
This is the ideal make driver. You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.

[Anonymous No.1463092]

>>1446813
I work for a company that sells fasteners and tools and when that thing came out this fucking paki called everyday asking when we were getting one for like 5 weeks

[Anonymous No.1463110]

>>1446813
>>1448140
I thought this was some fucking meme joke or something. like "what crazy shit can you photoshop MAKITA on and throw on a battery".

[Anonymous No.1463124]

>>1463110
>he doesnt know about the Makita bike

[Beppu !n/ZnkB9jUw No.1463137]

>>1462972
Dank

>>1463110
Pic for you. For serious.

[Anonymous No.1463460]

hi /tools/, europ here, what drill press should I buy? for MDF and plywood, circular saws or forstner bits.

or what to look out for?

[Anonymous No.1464752]

>>1463110

If this turns into Makita general we need to have a shoop contest for this. A house limit of three sextoy posts.

[Anonymous No.1464791]

>>1464752
lol I already started doing this yesterday and was going to post here

[Anonymous No.1464809]

What are the best accessories to get?

[Anonymous No.1464812]

So after a bunch of research, we finally pulled the trigger. ( My wife and I share tools since we are both DIYeres ) What accessories should I get?

[Anonymous No.1464819]

>>1464812
does that dildo fit in your ass?

[Anonymous No.1464840]

>>1463460
For Light to Medium Use get Machines from GÜDE. They are homeowner grade but very good for the Price.