/diy/ - Do It Yourself

[Anonymous No.1310698]

>cheap
>easy to manufacture
>hard to strip
>screwdriver can be used as a pick

Is this the superior screw?

[Anonymous No.1310700]

>>1310698
I see you're a man of culture as well. Flat is best.

[Anonymous No.1310702]

>>1310698
Only thing missing is the shot of black.

[Anonymous No.1310705]

>>1310698
I prefer philips(?), at least that's what people call it in my country. Feels a lot easier to screw and unscrew, specially when it's tight.

[Anonymous No.1310706]

>>1310698
No

I have seen stripped flathead screws. Ive seen just about every kind of screw heads stripped.

[Anonymous No.1310712]

I wish there was a detent in the middle to center the driver when you're working at an angle. That's why it's nearly impossible to drive them consistently with a power tool.

Robertson drive or Torx are best. Ease of manufacture hardly matters these days. Use a pick as a pick and a screwdriver as a screwdriver.

[Anonymous No.1310721]

Stop arguing.
Make all-in-one slots.

[Anonymous No.1310723]

you forgot you massive cocksucker
>pain in the ass to screw and unscrew

[Anonymous No.1310725]

>>1310698
NO
the edges of that screw where the screwdriver contacts will wear out easily. if you are putting some torque on it and the screwdriver slips it can really damage the screw
it is much more difficult to put them in with power tools. the bit can easily be off center
they are worse when rusty than the other types

star shapes are the best

[Anonymous No.1310741]

>>1310698
I've had torx bits break before but have never stripped a torx screw. Replacing cheap broken chinesium bits is much less of a pain than a stripped screw.

[Anonymous No.1310819]

>>1310698
>hated slotted all my life
>started buying guns (good screws)
>watched machine videos like clickspring (amazing screws)
The secret all along was to use the correct size screwdriver. You grab whatever straight screwdriver because it looks mostly right.

Naw dawg. That shot should be tight and filly seated and self retaining. That is a fucking screw. And you can do it with a straight slot. I ground custom bits for my gun screws and it's amazing the torque I can get out of them without marring the surface.

[Anonymous No.1310832]

>>1310721
Muh torx bit...

[Anonymous No.1310833]

>>1310698
Automatic screwing is impossible.

[Anonymous No.1310852]

Superior screw coming through

[Anonymous No.1310853]

>>1310698
Either I'm doing something wrong or I have the strength of ten gorrillas because I strip these if I look at them.

[Anonymous No.1310856]

>>1310698
square drive master race. fuck your ancient tech

[Anonymous No.1310907]

>>1310852
Only if you hate money

[Anonymous No.1310921]

If you know how to dress a screwdriver tip, nothing has as much torque as a flat head, you will twist the head off the screw before you strip the head. The square stove bolt is the same way, but most people fuck them up with a hex socket and think they suck.

[Anonymous No.1310929]

>>1310921
> nothing has as much torque as a flat head

Engineering citation needed. You made the assertion, support it.

[Anonymous No.1310936]

>>1310698
the minds of /diy/ should create the next screw that everyone will use. someone posted an image of a bunch of different heads; some of them were better than others in certain applications. others would be great if not for wearing too quickly on repeated fastening or too expensive to produce the screws or drivers.

im no engineer, but i think pic related might work decent. a flat head with closed ends and short cross things like a philips. i dont know dick about torsional forces, but im sure someone can tell me why im retarded.

[Anonymous No.1310941]

>>1310936
maybe this will work better. drivers might be a bit expensive though

[Anonymous No.1310943]

>>1310907
Makes life easy putting up conduit 30ft in the air.

[Anonymous No.1310959]

Robertson or get out

[Anonymous No.1310961]

>>1310936
only thing the minds of /diy/ are good for is arguing about inferior things

[Anonymous No.1310965]

>>1310941
Why not just make bolts which can fit different sized dicks? You could have heads fitted from 1-inch to 11, flaccid to erect. If you can't fit your dick in one then you can just find someone else with the correct sized dick and use it instead.

[Anonymous No.1310967]

>>1310959
>tfw you mistake a square head for a philips and it kicks your ass for 30 minutes before your realize

[Anonymous No.1310984]

>>1310725
>the edges of that screw where the screwdriver contacts will wear out easily

... If you use the wrong size and hold the driver wrong. >>1310819 is correct

>it is much more difficult to put them in with power tools. the bit can easily be off center

They're not designed for that. You're supposed to hand-screw them. You don't want to use power tools on shit you'd use flatheads in anyway, and only a moron would use flatheads to install drywall.

>they are worse when rusty than the other types

The slot does not turn into a circle when the first half a mm disintegrates into red dust though.

>>1310741
>I've had torx bits break before but have never stripped a torx screw

I've stripped torx screws. Kobalt screws (that come with their track mount and other wall storage, dunno about the ones sold by themselves) feel like they're made of pot metal. The torx screws that mount brake rotors on china-made bicycles also strip easy.


---
Hex socket is superior. The shittiest alan keys are better than the shittiest of any other type because it's just a fucking bent hex bar, and the best of them work at odd angles. Shitty fasteners rarely strip because there's no weak points. Good ones of both are super durable. Robertson would be a second if it were anything more than canuck tears. Hex head is shit because you have to use a completely different tool, so the only real use is when the fastener requires fuckloads of torquing down or you want the piece to look like it was made by orcs. The only points to torx or any other security bit is to lock out normies from exploring and becoming /diy/ and to sell driver bits. Philips, pozidriv, JIS, etc are for tiny electronics at best, and at worst are outdated meme screws whose purpose is to make it hard to fuck up production with a staff that consists of soul-dead day laborers with no respect for the product or work.

Flathead is for furniture, antiques, weapons, hand tools, and requiring the simplest driver ever to manufacture.

[Anonymous No.1311009]

>>1310961
then we can come up with every shitty version of a screw, and then use the one that we didnt come up with.

>>1310965
thats crazy. but it might just be crazy enough to work

[Anonymous No.1311029]

>>1310984
Torx is not a security bit.
There is a Torx Security bit, it's got a pinhead to reject standard Torx drivers

[Anonymous No.1311033]

>>1311029
Torx is an extremely low security bit for keeping out people who don't have a torx driver

[Anonymous No.1311052]

>>1310984
>Flathead is for furniture, antiques, weapons, hand tools, and requiring the simplest driver ever to manufacture.

and for anytime you need to use a screw made of a soft metal, flat head is the only sane option for brass and the like.

[Anonymous No.1311067]

>>1310941
>not using the "Ultimate /Pol/ Fantasy 1942 Edition"

[Anonymous No.1311084]

>>1311067

[Anonymous No.1311098]

>>1310852
mah nigga

[Anonymous No.1311124]

Amateurs all of you

[Anonymous No.1311127]

>>1311033
>>1311029
Is it normal I feel like a secret agent whenever I see security Torx screws, due to knowing I can, in fact, undo them?

[Anonymous No.1311129]

>>1310698
>keep sliding screwdriver off one side or the other
>scars up the thing you are installing the screw int

[Anonymous No.1311132]

>>1311029

[Anonymous No.1311202]

>>1310698
fuck no, those fucking things push the screwdriver out of the slot when turning it and fuck everything up

allen is the superior screw, not square because you have intermediate positions to insert the wrench (important when something is in the way of the wrench, which is usually always).

[Anonymous No.1311211]

>>1310959
>needing to rotate the wrench 90 degrees to re-engage

shit.

[Anonymous No.1311213]

>>1311127
WOAH DUDE YOU OWN A BIT SET THATS SOME 007 SHIT RIGHT THERE DO YOU WANT TO COME OVER AND FUCK MY WIFE?????????
.
of COURSE that is not a normal reaction you turbo autist

[Anonymous No.1311219]

There are actually hardened little inserts that you can hammer inside a regular torx head to make it untamperable...ish

Also, dont forget that torx can be turned with a right sized flathead in a pinch.

[Anonymous No.1311224]

>>1310705
Depends on the application I suppose, I like having phillips in electronics because they're less fiddly and usually are an alternative to plastic tabs or something horrid
but for something where they might be exposed to the elements and have a chance of being stripped theyre fucked.

[Anonymous No.1311247]

>>1311213
Take your pills, buddy. You can get through this.

[Anonymous No.1311256]

I'm having a problem with my 2009 Mac Pro computer. It's hard to know what the source of the issue is but I believe the power unit is dead. The trouble is I can't get it out of the aluminum processor cage because one of the screws is stripped. I need to remove the stripped screw to get in there to check the condition of the PSU.

I've tried some basic methods. Using a rubber band to grant some additional leverage. Hammering in a larger sized allen key in an attempt to create a new impression. The hole is completely hollow, no purchase whatsoever.

Do you have any suggestions to help?

Welding an allen key to the screw is out of the question as there are delicate components inside. I tried epoxy glue. It didn't work. Among the last solutions I can think of are drilling and cutting a notch with a dremel to twist with a flat head screwdriver.

[Anonymous No.1311277]

>>1310698

I prefer slot heads to phillips head, but the slot/phillips is the best. I'm always happy to see projects that use them because they're great for beginning DIYers.

[Anonymous No.1311333]

>>1311256
Did you try a screw extractor? Though I have no idea if they come in sizes that tiny.

[Anonymous No.1311341]

>>1310833
>Automatic screwing is impossible
I think that's the main reason the world went away from them.

[Anonymous No.1311372]

>>1311067
hey thats kinda co-
>>1311084
>its real
holy shit

maybe we just need to come full circle. pic related the perfect design

[Anonymous No.1311489]

>>1310723
how? do you have bitch mittens?

[Anonymous No.1311770]

>>1310698

[Anonymous No.1311775]

>>1311770
>ungraded bolt

grade 8 master race

[Anonymous No.1311796]

>>1310712
That already exists

[Anonymous No.1311798]

T25 is best.
/thread

[Anonymous No.1311799]

>>1311202
Does your wrench not have 72 teeth?
Do you wrench your screws in?
What about a cordless driver?
What?

[Anonymous No.1311980]

>>1311372
do you guys think this will work?

[Anonymous No.1311993]

>>1311980
Probably wouldn’t be very likely to round off bits...

Screw is made of rare earth magnets... driver is similarly magnetized... costs a gazillion dollars

[Anonymous No.1312002]

>>1311277
im not sure why all screws arent slot-phillips with a big enough central square that you can jam a roberson in there

mutt screw best screw stay knotted stay nodied

>>1310721
YES

YEEESSSSS

[Anonymous No.1312011]

>>1311132
"I'll go get my grinder and flathead rather than just buy a security for bit for $1"

Said fucking nobody.

[Anonymous No.1312013]

>>1310856
Putting up drywall right now with Robertson and I fucking hate it. Tell me, why do you like square drive?

[Anonymous No.1312025]

[Anonymous No.1312026]

[Anonymous No.1312027]

>>1312011
ive done it when taking apart stuff for scrap fuck security bits imma just smash it open

why go to Amazon and wait five months for a single driver that might not even fit when I have an awl, a lighter, and a brick

[Anonymous No.1312029]

[Anonymous No.1312031]

>>1312026
>>1312025
lmao i fucking love these

(theyre fake, before anyone freaks out)

[Anonymous No.1312043]

>>1312013
not them, but they don't fall off the bit and they don't strip. Sure they take a tiny bit more skill because they don't cam out, but that's just small tradeoff for preference.

[Anonymous No.1312046]

>>1312013
im with >>1312043

you can jam one on the driver and manipulate it that way before getting it into the material, and ive personally never seen a robertson hole strip. I don't think they "take more skill" though, that's just silly.

[Anonymous No.1312048]

>>1312046
I guess I meant take more attention. other bits cam out, so you don't fuck drill motors.

[Anonymous No.1312049]

>>1312048
ok cool I was thinking of driving with a hand screwdriver

[Anonymous No.1312120]

>>1311993
true. ill take my gazillion dollars now and get on that production

[Anonymous No.1312121]

Torx > Robby > Phillips
Fact. Everything else can fuck off. Drive 800 screws before lunch bud then your opion matters.

[Anonymous No.1312127]

>>1312013
Never seen drywall done with anything other than a P2.

[Anonymous No.1312129]

>>1311211
No worse than Phillips, and twice as good as flat. 60 isn't all that much less than 90 anyways.

[Anonymous No.1312131]

>>1310959
Strips too easily.

[Anonymous No.1312137]

I've been thinking about getting myself a set of screwdrivers but i'm still wondering what to look for.
Aliexpress has some sets for ~10-20 bucks, why shouldn't i get a set like that?
Is there any reason such a set should cost a lot more besides a fancy brand name?

[Anonymous No.1312161]

>>1312137
>any reason i should spend more?
hardened steel
>screwdriver set
what do you need it for? I use cheap sets for the small bits because I barely use them. I do have a #000 JIS wahu tho that set me back $20 for the one screwdriver. a bunch of devices started using the japanese 000s because they're a better security bit than a security bits. simply because shit bits will strip the fuck out of them.
>should i buy a tool that i dont need
no

[Anonymous No.1312165]

>>1312131
how would you even manage that?

[Anonymous No.1312167]

>>1312161
>what do you need it for?
Well mostly disassembling electric components, maybe some for mechanical work, but i'd get those seperately because in that case i'd probably use a battery-powered screwdriver.

[Anonymous No.1312314]

>>1310698

[Anonymous No.1312336]

>>1312025

>Pipe wrench head bolt

This one always gets me

[Anonymous No.1312607]

>>1310706
Hard, not impossible smartfag

[anon0815 No.1312614]

>>1312025
>>1312026
>>1312029
Herrlich,
Sehr gut. XD

[Anonymous No.1312621]

Robertson or bust.

[Anonymous No.1312685]

phillips and flat head are fine, they just need to make the grooves deeper to stop retards from stripping them

[Anonymous No.1313096]

>>1311980

[Anonymous No.1313355]

coming from someone who just stripped out 10 pozidrive screw heads with a phillips driver - robby

[Anonymous No.1313447]

>>1310929
most material resisting deformation, therefore able to take the most torque. also longest moment and because the slot goes the total length of the screw head

[Anonymous No.1313451]

>>1313447
only problem i have with flathead is that the driver face slides back and forth if im not at the perfect angle. might be just me though.

[Anonymous No.1313453]

>>1313451
that has nothing to do with the mechanical strength of the screw head to resist stripping though

[Anonymous No.1313454]

>>1313453
im not saying it does. thats just my un steady hand that where i pull the driver out of the slot on accident. with flatheads it happens way too often for me.

[Anonymous No.1313457]

Why are most of screwdrivers manufacturer with flat, slanted faces which just make the driver cam out and not concave, like the bits are?

[Anonymous No.1315259]

Torx, Pozi, Hex, anything else may as well not exist.

Invert hex, flat, phillips etc.. can commit suicide at their leisure.

[Anonymous No.1315262]

>>1310698
ratchets it's self out of the slot, shit-tier design

allen/hex is the way to go.

[Anonymous No.1315263]

>>1310698
It needs a punch in the center. If it weren't for the bit slipping off balance so easily, flat head would be perfect.

[Anonymous No.1315437]

>>1312025
>hole drilling self taping bolt

[Anonymous No.1315455]

Way better.

[Anonymous No.1315456]

>>1310698
What if you had 2 flatheads perpendicular to each other like a + sign? I don't mean a Phillips with that angled point. I mean a perfectly flat + sign.

[Anonymous No.1315461]

[Anonymous No.1315469]

>>1311052
>flat head is the only sane option for brass and the like.
I used to work on musical instruments and they almost always have flat head screws, though most of them aren't made of brass but rather steel. They're great for knowing how far you need to adjust them. I don't know why, by saxophone manufacturers started to use hybrid flat/phillips screws in their keyguard screws despite them being made of brass.

[Anonymous No.1316396]

>>1312621
Leaf detected

[Anonymous No.1316401]

>>1310705
When it's really tight, philips is the worst, because it was made to cam out over a certain torque level. It was designed during industrialization when factories were putting in screws fast with machines but clutched drivers were not available yet. So the philips head was actually designed to slip out, which is why it ALWAYS SLIPS OUT when it gets real tight. TORX is the best and always will be.

[Anonymous No.1316419]

>>1312137
>>1312161
if you need hardened steel for your driver bits something is fucked up

i've never seen a driver head strip before a screw and ive been using cheap drivers all my life

[Anonymous No.1316427]

>>1316401
>TORX is the best and always will be.
gtfo shill roberston is the apex screw

[Anonymous No.1316428]

>>1316419
but Torx are often used for mechanical stuff and machinery. engines suspension stuff rocker arms

I see them specified for over 100 foot pounds of torque
but I have multiple Torq socket sets. one Matco has sizes up to T60. and external torx sockets. and allen head sockets up to 3/8 in that set

[Anonymous No.1316437]

>>1310984
>Robertson would be a second if it were anything more than canuck tears.
>robertson is just canadian posturing and not a valid driver type because lol canada

gas + bomb 100% of all american citizens today

[Anonymous No.1316438]

>>1316427
>>1316396
Most everything I use here in the states is R2 + Philips combo. I prefer just R2 since it doesn't ever round out.

[Anonymous No.1317012]

>>1312131
You'd Strip the bit before you'd ever strip one of these.

[Anonymous No.1317112]

>>1310941
is there a female version of this?

[Anonymous No.1317128]

>>1317112
they are very high maintenance and cost a lot of money
they are actually useful in very few situations

[Anonymous No.1317130]

>>1317128
>high maintenance
>scews/bolts

?

[Anonymous No.1317150]

>>1317130
>completely clueless

[Anonymous No.1317167]

>>1312121
You can fuck right on off with your bullshit you fucking faggot

Hex > Slotted > Everything else

Once you have taken off over 100k< screws in various conditions then your opinion matters

[Anonymous No.1317174]

>>1317167
how can you think slotted is even near hex you fucking mongoloid? your opinion on everything is invalid

[Anonymous No.1317197]

>>1312121
>Drive 800 screws before lunch bud
then you want robbie because you can just jam it right on the driver, or phillips because you dont need a gay zero tolerance meme bit that only comes in proprietary sizes that change from year to year that all take an hour to stick in the hole because they're too tight

[Anonymous No.1317198]

>>1316428
>but Torx are often used for mechanical stuff and machinery.
anything made with torx screws is something the manufacturer doesnt want you to fuck with. its literally a security screw

>BBBUHT U CAN JUSS BUY A SET OF TORX DRIVERS FOR 119.99 FROM TORXSECURITYDRIVER DOT COM
yeah and you can just smash it on the ground too, doesnt mean it's not more of a hassle to an end user to void the warranty than it'd be if it were normal slotted or phillips heads

[Anonymous No.1317213]

>>1317198
>anything made with torx screws is something the manufacturer doesnt want you to fuck with. its literally a security screw

where did this clown come from?

adjusting rocker arm clearance is routine maintenance on some engines.
throttle body rebuild this week had a dozen Torx bolts
that vans dash parts steering column and steering wheel was almost all torx bolts
lots of torx in auto stuff going out and back in daily

and why do we bother responding to things like this?

[Anonymous No.1317295]

>>1316401
>it slips out when it gets real tight.
That's okay anon. That means its tight enough

[Anonymous No.1317313]

>>1310852
seconded. I use these at work for mounting electronics to aluminium plates, so a complete assembly can be mounted in already working condition. They're a huge time saver, especially since there's no pre-drilling required.

[Anonymous No.1317317]

>>1317295
Ain't nothing tighter than stripped

[Anonymous No.1317318]

>>1315437
It needs a tiny pellet of locktite on it too.

[Anonymous No.1317365]

>>1312137
I got https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00RCXE5EU/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1 a few years ago and it has saved my ass at least 20 times. Obviously these aren't high quality, but if you need to pop open an iphone or nintendo, you'll have the right bit.

[Anonymous No.1319010]

Different drives for different purposes, it is desirable is some situations for screws to cam out.

[Anonymous No.1319039]

>>1316437
You can't afford to bomb your corporate masters and resettle the Indian sub-continent at once, and the noble Leaves are focused on the good of humanity (dusky versions only).

I'll use whatever for larger fasteners but prefer hardened, quality tips on the small sort because working on notebooks. Cheap tips are fine for one or a few jobs though, and you can buy kits with those, spudgers etc for working on lappies and phones.

Buy a cheap set then if you have wear issues replace the worn shit with better quality.

>>1317213
is completely correct. BTW noobs beware because Torx and Torx Plus are different. Ford is fond of Plus for things like bed bolts where the typical button head won't damage cargo because smooth while offering convenient removal.

[Anonymous No.1319267]

>>1310698
Flat is justice!

[Anonymous No.1319277]

In any proper engineering situation, I'd use Torx.

HOWEVER, if your shit is going to be left out to rust for extended periods, picked apart by contractors, and reassembled by a 200 pound gorilla you might as well use wingnuts

[Anonymous No.1319327]

Screws are gay

Want shit to stay where ya put it ? 6010 root, 7018 fill and cap.

[Anonymous No.1321265]

>>1315456
cruciate?

[Anonymous No.1321269]

>>1310698
I use Robertson as much as possible, everything else is fucking trash. The only exception is torx which I prefer for very small fasteners

[Anonymous No.1321272]

>>1311033
Who wouldn’t have a driver? They come with even the cheapest kits these days. Hell I bought a kit for $15 that includes pretty much everything you’d ever need including about 20 security bits most of which I didn’t even know existed

[Anonymous No.1321273]

>>1311124
What are these and why do they look so pleasant

[Anonymous No.1321275]

>>1321273
One-way standard screws. You can tighten them but it is difficult to loosen them with a normal screwdriver.

[Anonymous No.1321276]

>>1317012
Not true. When they are old and rusty they strip but it is harder to do. More often then not you’ll just snap the head off which is extremely common since that’s the weak spot on those

[Anonymous No.1321400]

>>1310941
That could work

[Anonymous No.1321461]

>>1312131
you're a knob

[Anonymous No.1321816]

>fixing lights on a building
>mfw the fixtures have security torx

somebody was worried about drifters scaling the building and stealing the lightbulbs, why would you do this?

[Anonymous No.1321915]

>>1310721
dont see why this isnt a standard. saves so much time looking for the right tool

[Anonymous No.1322520]

>>1310967
kek happened to me when replacing a breaker

[Anonymous No.1322522]

>>1312137

If that's the exact set you're looking at...don't. I have one of them, and the metal used for the bits is atrocious. Half the ones I use just strip themselves before doing anything useful.

[Anonymous No.1323000]

>>1311213
SEEEEETHING

[Anonymous No.1323465]

Ohh not again. Allen,hex and torx >all

[Anonymous No.1323471]

>>1311980

It would if the screw was a shrink or press fit onto the driver, I think.

[Anonymous No.1324191]

What hath God wrought?

[Anonymous No.1324199]

>>1324191
A Penning trap?

[Anonymous No.1324247]

>>1311132

kek

[Anonymous No.1324256]

Clutch Type G master race

[Anonymous No.1324733]

>>1311796
the bitches complain when people use "20% more reliable in certain conditions" contact points
see the ifixit morons

[Anonymous No.1324837]

>>1310721
Yeah. And you need a proper screwdriver for those. Especially when it's tight. This unification added 4 screwdrivers to my set. Thanks a lot for that, faggots.

[Anonymous No.1325130]

As someone who's actually worked with all this shit.

>torx under 1/8dia>hex 1/8"+>torx>robertson>philips>>>>>>>slotted>>>>>>>>literally anything else used on normal screws and bolts because it's just meme tier for those applications

>necessary evil tier
>hex less than 1/8"

[Anonymous No.1325131]

>>1319327
>I don't know what heat affected zones are or how stress over joints is calculated
Go back in your booth, Bill.

[Anonymous No.1325171]

>>1325130
>posi drive is a meme while robertson is not
Amerifats are delusional as always.

[Anonymous No.1325201]

>>1324837
Shut the fuck up, you loved buying those new screwdrivers.

[Anonymous No.1325246]

>>1325201
That's true.

[Anonymous No.1325384]

>>1325171
Sorry, meant to throw pozidrive in above philips. Meme tier was more things like spline drives and such.

[Anonymous No.1325416]

>>1317112
any dick would open it

[Anonymous No.1325751]

>>1325416
Does the arctic procedure tell you how not to get your ass frostburned when it's -30?

[Anonymous No.1325999]

>>1312027
>Amazon
>wait five months
Have you been living in cave for the last 20 years? We have two day shipping basically anywhere. Hell, I live in the city, so I get same day shipping if it's the warehouse nearby.

[Anonymous No.1326110]

>>1324199
kek it totally fucking is

[Anonymous No.1326111]

>>1310698
>All these screws
>All these plebs


I know some of you have come out for Hex, good on you, but it pays to be a little more specific

[Anonymous No.1327317]

>>1325751
2bh i did "sea survival" and part of it was a cursory guide on how to poop out of a life raft while not either freezing your butt or pooping on the raft, there are special handles for it and everything

the key is to not get water on your butt, cold air is cold but not THAT cold but a wet butt will get cold faster than a dry butt, air doesnt transfer tons of heat particularly well but water will instantly destroy you

[Anonymous No.1327410]

>>1325999
>I've never worked a deadline ever.

Obviously. When I'm in the shop and shit has to get done, it has to get the fuck done. No waiting. No bullshit. Fuck security bits.

[Anonymous No.1327660]

>>1312025