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Why is this allowed?

>> No.1309692

ive been looking for a crosshatch drive screwdriver for years, anyone know where i can find one?

>> No.1309693

>>1309692
Cast imitation crab meat (with a shot of black) around the head which will conform to the contours to form a bit you can put in your drill.

>> No.1309709

>>1309693
> trying this hard

>> No.1309712

>>1309686
>Why is this allowed?
You mean why is anything but torx allowed?

>> No.1309715

Torx should be the only allowed.
Fuck apple fake torx screws, how hard was to use standard screws instead making a clone? Pentalobe sucks and badly.

>> No.1309716

>>1309686
As long as there is manual machining, there will be straight/standard screws because you can cut a line in anything and it's also high torque.

>> No.1309772

>>1309692
>anyone know where i can find one?
those are used to make waffles

>> No.1309782

>>1309686
Because stupid screw head threads aren't treated like their equally stupid cousins, container threads.

>> No.1309796

>>1309712
Underrated post

>> No.1309939

>>1309712
>>1309715

>high cost overly complex tool shape
>poor long term wear from repeat tightening
>tools terminate in a short tip, can't be fixed with a simple re-grind once worn
>no ball-end available for off-angle extraction

Allen heads are superior in most applications. Torx are best reserved for specialties.

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>>1309686
It gets worse anon...it gets worse.

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>>1309950

>> No.1309982

>>1309686
What are you referring to?

Anyone have a link to either a pdf or website that lists all the types of fasteners and their pros & cons and what their common uses are?
Thanks

>> No.1309992

>>1309956
If dangerously built stuff is /diy/ gore...

...then what is this?

>> No.1310012

>>1309992
An ISIS execution video

>> No.1310017
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>>1309950
>>1309956

>> No.1310018

>no one has mentioned Robertson
The thinking man's screw

>> No.1310034
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>> No.1310107

>>1309939
Torx > everything
how often do you repeatedly tighten screws?

>> No.1310109

>>1310018
Begone leaf

>> No.1310140

>>1310018
Truly the GOAT.

>> No.1310199

>>1309686
Why not just hex bolts with allen sockets everywhere? You can drive them with torx, secure torx, a socket, a flat-head, or pliers.

>> No.1310221

>>1310017
This. Flat is justice.

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>>1310018
Ohhhh I'm creaming

>> No.1310223

>>1310222
What a nice Robertson you have there. it would be a shame if someone were to

put a smaller sized bit in there and round the fucking edges off.

>> No.1310226

Thanks Capitalism!

>> No.1310230

>>1310221
kek

>> No.1310245

>>1309686
BC WE'RE NOT COMMIES

>> No.1310248 [DELETED] 

>>1310223
FUCK YOUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>> No.1310269

>>1309712
>>1309939
In all seriousness, Robertson is top tier. Allen keys are ok, torx sucks a fat dick

>> No.1310270

>>1310199
>what is a beveled screw

>> No.1310397

>>1310107
Whenever you need to repair/replace something. Overly complex screws are for the sole purpose of making diy repairs difficult.

>> No.1310412

>>1310223
name even one object ever made that didn't use whatever number of robertson screw typical 1.5 inch deck screws use

seriously ive never encountered a square hole my one robertson driver didnt match, and a good robertson driver tapers anyway

>>1309956
>>1309992
to be fair shit like this are literally designed so that no one but whoever originally put the thing together can take it apart. it's for shit like bathroom stalls and display cases where you don't want delinquent teenagers and leathery abbos to disassemble everything and steal it to sell as scrap

>> No.1310414

>>1310199
bolts are not good when you want shit to be hella flush

that said, phillips or robertson are the only drivers that should exist, hex keys are too easy to lose/misplace/strip and arent compatible across sizes, and robertson is just gud

phillips with a big enough square to be compatible with robertson is master race head type where bolts are inappropriate (otherwise hex or square bolt head master-est race)

>> No.1310417

>>1310414
even considering phillips should be a crime.

>> No.1310440

>>1310414
>strip
Not metric hexes, you can't put a wrong size in and have it contact the edges of the socket. I quite like philips for low-torque woodwork applications, but robertson is probably superior in every aspect. It would be neat if you could get multi-angle robertson drivers the same way you can get those spherical head allen keys, but I'm not sure how much torque they could handle.

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>>1309950
I felt like this had to be done

>> No.1310464

>>1309686
because murika

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>>1309686

>> No.1310482
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>>1310412
Electrical devices.

>being unaware that there is Robertson #1 and Robertson #2

>> No.1310485

People who come up with these ridiculous designs need to be gassed.
Also, a screw on my 3ds is stripped how to get it out ? Thought of drilling it out but it really small and near the motherboard so can't risk it

>> No.1310531

>>1309956
You can still force these by hammering in a small flat head screwdriver.

>> No.1310536

>>1310017
Waste of time....clamp some vice grips on it and unscrew the thing

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>>1309692
http://www.lmfgtfy.com/?q=crosshatch+screwdriver

The absolute state of DIY.

>> No.1310561

>>1309950
I tried Spanner Head once.

The screws have round holes and the driver had square pegs. I had to take a file to the driver just to get it to engage the screws.

Fucking why.

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>>1310561
>using the wrong spanner driver

Just use the correct tool.

>> No.1310683

>>1310482
>>being unaware that there is Robertson #1 and Robertson #2
it actually goes up to #4 but only madmen don't use #2

>> No.1310835

>>1310269

Canadian detected.

That being said, I agree wholeheartedly

>> No.1310846

As ultimate dictator of the world, my first order would be to replace every nut, bolt and screw with a single fucking system.

>tfw having to carry around a case full of a nigtrillion bits to deal with screws and bolts

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>> No.1310861

>>1310846
Well I'd make it so you need a $10,000 licence to own a secure torx driver.

>> No.1310954

>>1310683
#1 is bretty gud for little screws, but yeah, a #2 head will take so much force that most screws will snap.

>> No.1310982

Does anyone have a general purpose multitool with anything other than a flathead or a shitty Philips or Allen keys? You should be able to get a Robertson bit fairly easily that fits the form-factor, after all.

>> No.1311438

>>1310545
>Belgian tools

>> No.1311504

>>1310018
>>1310269
>90º movement to reposition driver...
syrup niggers git out!

>> No.1311506

>>1310414
>defending phillips
>ever
>even when trolling
kys. twice.

>> No.1311518

>>1310982
Leatherman skeletool with a bit pack... even has security torx...

>> No.1311610

>>1310017
Good luck when the screw is recessed

>> No.1311861

>>1311610
Cold chisel a slot in, nigga. Do you even /diy/?

>> No.1311864

>>1311861
Maybe a small flathead screwdriver, but you're more likely to fuck up the plastic toy you're disassembling than to unscrew the screw or punch a slot in the head

>> No.1311872

>>1310835
Actually American. I saw the light when I started using a Robertson on electrical devices. My god. The ease of it all. Nice tight connections with having to worry about stripping my precious terminal screws like a phillips driver or slipping and killing myself like a flat head. Its just so simple.

>> No.1311873

>>1310982
Klein ratcheting 11-in-1

>> No.1311874

>>1311864
If you strip a screw in a toy you need to learn how to use a screwdriver.

>> No.1311897

>>1311874
It could just be old as fuck plastic

>> No.1311902

>>1311897
If it's a plastic screw then just heat up a screwdriver and jam it in to form a new head.

>> No.1311905

>>1311874
They often have the cheapest screws in them, not to mention pulling them out once or twice is often enough to strip the threads.

>> No.1311915

>>1311504
Who the FUCK drives a screw by taking the driver out and repositioning it??

>> No.1311918

>>1311438
underrated post

>> No.1311926

>>1309686
Because of patents, because of security related applications (planes, cars) because of history, an so.

>> No.1312209

>>1311874
That's not the point. You can't cut the slot and use flathead screwdriver on torx or some security head if the screw is recessed, nor you can't tappy tap tap it with a chisel

>> No.1312210

>>1311504
Still better than 180° with flathead

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>>1310846
>a single fucking system

Metric one I suppose.

>> No.1312235

>>1310545
the fuck

>> No.1312236

>>1310573
what if they are hidden (in canals)??
>fuckin xbox 360 controller

>> No.1312249

>>1309950
Fuck triple square and fuck VW for using it!

>> No.1312332

>>1311874
And toys

>> No.1312369

>>1312249
Fuck volkswagen and their triple square fucking stretch bolts. Whoever designs anything to use stretch bolts should be shot.

>> No.1312579

>>1312369
Still probably better than galvanised trilobe bolts that scrape off the zinc on their lobes and rust in place.

>> No.1312594

>>1312236
Huh? My X360 controller has standard Phillips heads.

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>>1309956
lol, that file name

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>no Lox Drive

its like you guys want your bits to walk out.

>> No.1312668

Robertson is a well shaped bit because it's tapered steeply so it locks well into the screw and retains a lot of strength. I was thinking a similarly tapered hex mightn't be a bad idea, though maybe the square is a better shape than a hexagonal or triangular bit.

>> No.1312868

>>1309686
>Why is this allowed?

So spergtards can post thread after thread about them. So useful, and of course the "allowed" part lets them imagine their statist paradise where everything is regulated.

Fasteners exist. Deal with it or not. Design your stuff to suit your use case. There, nothing else need be said, problem fucking solved.

>> No.1312870

What about pozidriv? It doesn't cam out like Philips (unless you use PH screwdriver on PZ head) and is fairly popular, at least in yurop

>> No.1312872

>>1312639
Why do people keep coming up with these retarded heads when hex, internal or external, is all you need?

>> No.1312882

>>1312872
Vendor lock! Proprietary fasteners and drivers ensure repeat sales.

>> No.1312885

>>1311506
There is one good use case for Phillips, knocking in thousands of screws in a day. Built my own shop which included sheathing the inside in panneling. The square drive bits only lasted for about 120 screws while the Phillips bits were good for 500+. Also tried t20 screws but if you're not careful the screws strip out. For the sake of knocking out something in a weekend I don't want to be careful putting in screws.

>> No.1313107

>>1312885
Pozi would be better, less wear on the bit as Phillips always skips a bit when sinking the screw and less chance of stripping the head completely if you're trying to be quick.

>> No.1313258

>>1313107
I think you may not be applying enough pressure. You've got to keep the bit seated no matter the screw head.

>> No.1313266

>>1313258
But Pozi requires less force, which means you're less tired after driving in a thousand screws. Also if any fasteners are in awkward positions it can be hard to apply a decent amount of force.

>> No.1313291

>>1312885
I find that hard to believe, but if you weren't camming out either the Phillips or the Robertson I guess it's plausible.

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>>1310482
My dude. Klein's combo tip screwdriver, made to fit perfectly with a flat+robertson screwhead found on electrical devices. It's a dream if you're screwing in dozens or hundreds of outlets.

>> No.1313708

>>1313107
Literally the point of drywall screws with drywall dimpler is to sink them to exactly the same depth in .01 seconds and have them cam out at the perfect depth before you can even stop your gun.

>> No.1313849

>>1310107

Machines of any variety that are require maintenance at intervals. Machine tools themselves often require parts to be tightened/loosened several times a day.

>>1310269
It is pretty disappointing I don't see square sockets more often. Square head screws are GOAT.

>> No.1313858

>>1313598
I didn't know these existed cuz not a sparky. Thank you.

>> No.1313860

>>1313849
>It is pretty disappointing I don't see square sockets more often. Square head screws are GOAT.

Yes they are when you don't need more points for wrench clocking. They are perfect for lathe tool posts. I suspect another reason is broach wear, which is also why so many cheap socket sets are 12-point to reduce broach wear when cutting them.

>> No.1314158

>>1310485
Gassed? Like farting?

>> No.1314201

>>1310414
>Philips
atleast say Posidrive

>> No.1314210

>>1314201
At least spell it correctly. Pozidriv

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>>1310444
missing the obvious...

>> No.1314233

>>1313598
>>1313858
>can't drive Robertson screws
>can't drive flathead screws
>now I need to carry a square tip, a flat tip, and this failed abortion

No thanks, take that retarded thing down the road.

>> No.1314505

>>1314158
Welcome to 4chan!

>> No.1314657

So what's the difference between Pozidriv and Phillips? Pozidriv is less likely to wear off?

>> No.1314664

>>1314657
Pozidriv has a more positive engagement, it can handle more torque without camming out (the bit slipping in the head of the screw, causing wear).

In a pinch they're interchangeable i.e. you can use a Pozi bit in a Phillips screw but doing so can make it more likely to cam out. Pozi screws and bits are identifiable by having a line at 45 degrees to the cross.

>> No.1314928

>>1314664
>you can use a Pozi bit in a Phillips screw
Doing that just chowders up the Pozidriv bit, but using a Philips bit in a Pozidriv screw isn't nearly as bad, though it will cam out more easily.

>> No.1315065

There's nothing wrong with flat head and Phillips head screws.

>> No.1315073

>>1315065
They're not completely terrible but yes there are things wrong with them. Flat heads are hard to keep the bit in the slot, especially if using an electric driver, and Phillips cams out too easily and is more reliant on having the correct size bit.

>> No.1315084

>>1315073
Flat heads aren't meant to be great for electric drives, but they're fine for hand drivers. They're very easy to make, maintain, and modify. They offer easy visuals when it comes to screws that are meant to be in specific positions rather than simply tightened all the way down. The drivers are also easy to maintain and some flat heads are designed to be able to be used with common items like coins.

Weren't Phillips designed to be able to cam out easily? It's nice that you can use flat heads with them too. They go in pretty easily as well.

>> No.1315109

>>1315065
Phillips is ok but I find sloted have bigger cam-out issues and end up stripping more often than phillips.

still, i say bolts should be used wherever possible and if it needs to be countersunk, hybrid robertson/phillips/coin drive just so any driver you have on hand will work because theyre all basically the same.

>>1315084
>Weren't Phillips designed to be able to cam out easily?
the legend I've heard is that it was invented in response to slotted drivers being too easy to have the driver cam or slip out and gash the operator's hand. so probably not.

>> No.1315112

>>1313708
What if you just weren't a retard and had some trigger discipline?

>>1310846
the NWO and illuminati have you covered bby
https://www.iso.org/home.html
the lizard people running the UN have our best interests at heart ok

>> No.1315257

What if you can't get your driver straight on with the screw/ bolt? Phillips will still work if you're good with a driver (up to ~35°) but torx, allen and robertson won't work right?

>> No.1315270

>>1315112
That's not trigger discipline.

In the time you realize to let go of the trigger, and let the gun stop and load a new robertson(tm) drywall screw, my automatic feeding drywall gun has put in 6 more screws with perfect dimples.

Oh and look, yours tore through the paper because the clutch is approximate.

>> No.1315272

>>1315257
Allen/hex is actually the best at this, they make ball ended hex keys that can go quite far off axis. Depends on the size of the hex, like very small hexes can't take it, but if it's already big enough for say a Philips, then its fine.

>> No.1317031

>>1309939

Allen wears down badly in repeated tightening situations. Torx has issues (hard to improvise a tightener, heads allow wrong-size bits which then break, easy for amateurs to over tighten) but wear isn't one of them.

>> No.1317104

>>1310482
why haven't the american outlets been upgraded yet? having to make a hook out of the wire is a bit old. those screws seems very exposed. also you can only safely have 1 wire per screw.

>> No.1317106

>>1310573
just get a small screwdriver or something, place it angled at the tap in the middle, then hit with a hammer

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>>1317108

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>>1317109

>> No.1317119

>>1317104
You can buy backstab outlets (springs) and also rear screw outlets. You cam also buy them with safety shutters like uk outlets.

>> No.1317127

>>1310482
>>1317119
having the neutral and live connections that close together doesn't seem safe

>> No.1317129

>>1317127
disregard this post

>> No.1317334

>>1317104
In canada where i was taught. They told us to skip that "backstab" method cause the conection was flimsier and tended towards more sparks than a well screwed hook would.

>> No.1317341

>>1317334
Yes, i was taught that I. The us as well. It seems like its coming back though with push in splice connectors.

I used some. Hopefully they got it right.

>> No.1317392

>>1313598

Have a set that literally has never been used but those Klein’s clearanced out at Home Depot, I got a set for $5 so why not. Also I collect Klein tools too