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1216087 No.1216087 [Reply] [Original]

Let's bounce this one off the walls.
>ARE APPRENTICESHIPS CULTS?

>force you to do silly things 100s of times as part of 'enlightenment'
>dehumanize you by making you live below the poverty line
>prohibit you from doing things that any rational human could do
>nothing is ever good enough, you are always worthless

>> No.1216098

Lol. I'm trying to get an apprenticeship myself so I can get out of poverty.

If you know your skills you shouldn't be worthless.

>> No.1216117

>>1216087
How about this:
>Are all cults bad?

>> No.1216172

>>1216087
You're not wrong. I was an apprentice at a machine shop for two german immigrants. I had a precision machining certificate from the local CC, they had me work from 4:30am mopping the shop until 5:30pm driving back and forth to the heat treat shop like I was some bitch. They also paid me $9.50/hr during my apprenticeship, then offered me $8/hr FT after I completed the apprenticeship. I was basically a slave, who was always wrong, could never do anything right, and worked at beck and call for free.

I quit just after two years, I couldn't do it anymore. I live in America, being run ragged by two Germans, while I live far below poverty. Been far below poverty ever since, but I'm no ones bitch.

>> No.1216239

>>1216172
Just sounds like you think work is hard, you got treated like a bitch because you had no experience and just a certificate so where probably to shit to work but they needed the tax break by hiring an apprentice. You should of quit or gone through a proper apprenticeship scheme to begin with with a proper firm, it's your own damn fault.

I apprenticed for ducati making wheels and machine lathing too, 3 years and now sitting on 55 a year because I used it as an opportunity to specialise and improve my skill set. You need to make opportunities apprenticeship is the start of the road you're not all a done once you get one

>> No.1216240

>>1216087
>and then you get your journeyman and make 45k a year

I don't see a problem

>> No.1216265

>>1216240
What the fuck is a journeyman? We only have apprentices and tradies.

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1216284

>>1216172
freeeeeedom

>> No.1216368

>>1216087
In my machine shop when i get an apprentice I tell them one thing:
>"Always wear your safety squints, observe proper personal safety procedures. measure twice, cut once, and if you have any doubts about what you're doing then ask me instead of ruining a thousand dollar piece of stock. break room is over there and the bathroom. If it doesn't have your name on it in the fridge, don't eat it because that heat treating furnace over there gets hot enough to turn your bones to ash. And the bottom two shelves I stock with soda, there's a jug to put quarters in to buy more soda and when there's too much money we buy pizza and beer. Good luck."

I figure if they're smart enough to figure shit out on their own, and when to ask questions then they'll make it. And doing it yourself through the process of discovery is going to make a much longer impression than being instructed.

>> No.1216419

>>1216265
So the classic feudal system that apprenticeships are based on went this way: apprentice = trainee/bottom rung l, also the shit handyman that does the shit for housewives that everyone here would take care of. When you git gud the person training you certified that you weren't a moron and made you a journeyman, licensed to work at it pretty much anywhere and do smaller jobs by themselves. This = tradies/good handymen. Master was next, = running your own shop/crew, also historically involved in local politics/code enforcement etc because towns were smaller. So today that would equate to general contractor, running crews of specialized journeyman tradies. Grandmaster was head of the guild/union for a town/county, basically, and the closest approximation would be the head of a major development corp.

Europe kept more of the system because Ma history, also the US was so spread out that journeyman = de facto grandmaster for a county because so much space and so few trained people.

>> No.1216432

no, im paid well for my position as level 3 tool and die, but i have also diversified my skill set enough to include design and automation , this company has signed me up and sent me to school for the past 2 years and i am about to finish my third year. i started the company at $17 an hour , they send me for about every training they have , robot training, CMM, vision system training, injection molding and processing, ect

>> No.1216453

>>1216087
I did mine from 95-99. I made 45k in 1999. I think you're just an entitled, weak, millennial faggot who thinks he's smarter than everyone else. Try shutting your dick holster and opening your mind.

>> No.1216455

>>1216087
I would say fuck ant and all of that.

Do what everyone else does and get a trade job or something. Start at the bottom and pay attention. Work your way up and once you break about 30-40k in todays usd you shoukd get along just fine. If you cant then you need to revaluate your spending habbits. And if you want 100k,200k,500k or 2 million a year income start studying personal finance and investing.

I am far from rich bit i promise yiu a little dedication and self discipline is exponentially easier than cucking yourself into a 250k office job with 10 times the stress and just being a glorified wage slave.

Im honestly going to be doubling my current income in about 4 years or so. The day it doubles i am purting in my notice, quitting, and living off of half and investing the other half.

Will give my self small raises based on performance but the smaller percentage of incone u can live on the more you can invest.

Thats why u see bikl gates wearing walmart shit or like the local guys i hang with that have over 12 milllion in assets each saying they are broke.

They arent broke per say, they just dont have liquid funds to pay your bar tav or loan u 10 grand for no fucking reason. Shits tied up in assets that make u money

>> No.1216456

>>1216098
Good luck anon. Took me a bit but i did it.

Broke 40k 3 years ago. Was my life goal for a long time. Did it at fucking 11 and 12 bicks an hour.

You dont have to be smart if you work hard. Its also easier to just work smarter for more cash tho

>> No.1216457

Friend just joined the electrician union as an apprentice and makes $14.61. That's is 30k/yr excluding benefits. The poverty line in the US for a single person is a hair over 12k/yr.

Pay jumps to $18.27/hr after the first year and increases to journeyman pay after 5 years.

These numbers are also probably slightly low as the document I'm reading is 2+ years old.

>> No.1216458

>>1216172
Thats well and good anon but hell, you cant get a grunt job running a cnc for 15 bucks an hour somewhere?

>> No.1216465

>>1216172
Anon, was this recent and where do you live? A shitty retail job around here like Home Depot pays $12/hr. Even McDonalds is $10/hr+ probably more if you can work day shifts when the teens are in school.

>> No.1216493

>>1216265
Electricfags...

>> No.1216495

>>1216368
Sounds pretty legit. So, that heat treating furnace there, you ever consider gettibg a crucible and casting some aluminum shit to machine?

>> No.1216544
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>>1216087
Originally apprentices started at around 12, and were given busy work until they could be trusted with more important jobs. They'd basically become company property until they became journeymen at which point they'd have the ability to look for other work in other shops. When they became a Master they'd be able to start their own place of employment and be in good standing with their peers. Apprenticeships don't really mesh too well with modern labor laws.

I'm a blacksmith and I absolutely refuse to take on people because it's just too much hassle to deal with them, even when they've offered to work for free they'd only be a burden until they were at least proficient, and I don't have the time to baby someone for 6 months.

>> No.1216883

>Be me
>Apprentice at a merchant ship for a year
>Earn usd365/month.
>Travel the world for free
>Fuck about 20 nationalities in that year.
>Just do what the Chief told to do.
>Captain doesnt know shit about computers, makes me do all his paperwork and shit.
>Free beer every friday
>Only spend my cash on grills from ports.
>Stay away from China, bitches have hair on armpits

>> No.1217284

>>1216087
I make $32 and hour in my apprenticeship right now. $1.6-something raises every 1000 OJT hours.

>> No.1217318

>>1216172
>precision machining certificate
>certificate
>not even a full associates
You don't know shit. Literally nothing but how to turn the machines on and make pretty chips. I'm not even trying to be mean, it's just the truth.

>> No.1219460

>>1216495
It's not worth the effort to melt down scrap resulting in an alloy of unknown composition and trying to fuck around with it.

We have bins for various scraps that shit gets tossed into that we get some token coinage on when they pick it up.

The effort I'd have to go through to melt down some shitty aluminium cans to get a tiny piece of aluminum isn't worth the effort when I can go to the scrap bin and find a piece of 5052 cutoff to do what I want.

>> No.1220094

>>1216368
Also, don't forget to remove the chuck key.

Or, don't tell them this, and set up a camera.