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[Anonymous No.1185071]

How viable would it be to make a bunker by burying a shipping container?

[Anonymous No.1185073]

If you would like the answer, start by deleting your thread.

[Anonymous No.1185087]

Everyone who wants to bury a container should do so! Follow your dreams and ignore the haters. Your initiative will be rewarded with success!

Numerous containers survived direct hits from 30mm A-10 "Warthog" cannon during the Iraq war. The springy corrugations dissipate energy and the projos bounce off. The immortal Corten steel shells last centuries even without paint, which is only decorative. The US Navy has a fleet of containers at the bottom of the Marianas trench where they dock submarines made from containers for underwater replenishment. Hawaii successfully used lava flow to encase containers to make attractive tourist lodges. Transatmospheric scramjet powered containers have been developed into launch platforms for smaller containers to be used in the post-Brexit EU space containerstation. North Korea replaced their old dug shelters under mountains with containers painted like mountains. (The insides are painted with cute anime characters to boost morale.) Elon Musk prototyped an electric container to replace the Tesla since the container is more aesthetically appealing than the car and has a lot more battery room. The mayor of Detroit has decided to replace his decaying city with containers. The old buildings will be demolished and the rubble hauled off in other containers, loaded onto rafts made of containers, and shipped to China via the St. Laurence seaway where it will be ground up and the metal residue used to make more containers. US Navy SEALS stealthily infiltrate enemy ports using containers cunningly disguised as containers. Israel is solving the Palestinian problem by storing them in containers. (Germany tried to solve the Jewish problem using wooden freight cars, but the container hadn't been invented yet.) Donald Trumps border wall will be easily affordable if built from containers. Any Beaners who slip in by other routes can be detained in containers then trucked to Beanland where containers will be donated as housing.

[Sage No.1185096]

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[Anonymous No.1185326]

>>1185087

[Anonymous No.1185342]

>>1185071
Highly unviable.

[Anonymous No.1185382]

every screw is self tapping if you try hard enough

yes, this is a metaphore

[Anonymous No.1185406]

I don't know why I love these threads so much.
I just can't resist reading them.

Dude!! Containers are sooo 2012! Go with a School bus!

http://www.wsfa.com/story/16611937/school-buss
There is even a guy that has embedded 27 or more into concrete and built a 'city'. He posted a jillion pics of it on a blog somewhere.

[Anonymous No.1185411]

>>1185406
Sorry, 42.
In case of a real emergency, the guy is willing to save your teenaged daughters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ark_Two_Shelter

[Anonymous No.1185426]

There's only shitposts so far so I'll answer honestly: It would not be viable.

The dirt needed to properly block radiation in any meaningful way would weigh too much and could collapse before you factor in water when it rains or if anything is on the soil on your bunker. Also, if the fire marshall finds out you have a building meant for shelter has only one entrance and exit, he will make you tear it down or he will condemn it. both of which involve a fine. Lastly, shipping containers are expensive new, which you'll want a brand new one because used ones smell like shit in ways that will never go away.

There's just better options out there for cheaper and safer bunkers. I know it's tempting since a shipping container seems like a good start since it's four walls, a floor, and a ceiling all in one but it's just a bad idea.

[Anonymous No.1185456]

>>1185071
Here we go again...

[Anonymous No.1185462]

>>1185426
>There's only shitposts so far..
no worries, anon. Come the day of The Eternal Container on Fire thread, these heretics too shall perish.

[Anonymous No.1185489]

>>1185426
You must be new here, so I'll explain it to you - all container threads are shit posts. OP was trolling.

[Anonymous No.1185703]

>>1185071
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Everyone who wants to bury a container should do so! Follow your dreams and ignore the haters. Your initiative will be rewarded with success!

Numerous containers survived direct hits from 30mm A-10 "Warthog" cannon during the Iraq war. The springy corrugations dissipate energy and the projos bounce off. The immortal Corten steel shells last centuries even without paint, which is only decorative. The US Navy has a fleet of containers at the bottom of the Marianas trench where they dock submarines made from containers for underwater replenishment. Hawaii successfully used lava flow to encase containers to make attractive tourist lodges. Transatmospheric scramjet powered containers have been developed into launch platforms for smaller containers to be used in the post-Brexit EU space containerstation. North Korea replaced their old dug shelters under mountains with containers painted like mountains. (The insides are painted with cute anime characters to boost morale.) Elon Musk prototyped an electric container to replace the Tesla since the container is more aesthetically appealing than the car and has a lot more battery room. The mayor of Detroit has decided to replace his decaying city with containers. The old buildings will be demolished and the rubble hauled off in other containers, loaded onto rafts made of containers, and shipped to China via the St. Laurence seaway where it will be ground up and the metal residue used to make more containers. US Navy SEALS stealthily infiltrate enemy ports using containers cunningly disguised as... And sage

[Anonymous No.1185712]

>>1185426
I'd say it's not a bad idea at all.bury the containers 3 wide.
the hole you bury them in make large enough for 2-3 feet on the sides.
tie some rebar in the voids on the sides and on top.
weld concrete imbeds all over the top of the containers.
pour concrete on all of it.

Instant win.you can now go inside and demo the two walls without it collapsing and have at it with making it fancy fresh

[Anonymous No.1185962]

here you go OP

[Anonymous No.1185974]

Not OP, just a guy who has seen these threads pop up every fucking day for the past 5 years.

Let's say I wanted the same sort of small underground bunker as everyone wants using a shipping container. What is the safest, most cost effective way to do this?

>inb4 a shipping container

[Anonymous No.1185978]

>>1185974

>Take 27 shipping containers
>Form a 3x3x3 cube
>Center most container still structurally sound

[Anonymous No.1185982]

>>1185978
C O S T

E F F E C T I V E

[Anonymous No.1185991]

>>1185982

look for shipping containers on alibaba

[Anonymous No.1186002]

>>1185071
I would be about as sage

[Anonymous No.1186013]

>>1185982

Oh you mean using materials other than shipping containers?

>Dig shipping container sized hole +1' on all faces
>Cast floor
>Build cinder block retaining walls
>Put container inside
>Cover with 2" of dirt

[Anonymous No.1186059]

>>1185974
Just use a container above ground since the view will be the same and you don't really know why you want it underground. If you wanted a bunker, that doesn't need to be below grade but of course you aren't serious so you didn't study real bunkers either. The solution with the least cost and greatest effectiveness is a shotgun mouthwash, and old single barrel breakdown shotguns are inexpensive. You'll need one round of ammo of course, but you can get both for under 150 dollars which is much less expensive than even a lowly storage grade ISO container.

[Anonymous No.1186235]

>>1185962
Why not just brace the sides and ceiling?

[Anonymous No.1186238]

you can make a bunker cheaper than the cost of the shipping container

[Anonymous No.1186241]

>>1185426
>used ones smell like shit in ways that will never go away
Damn imitation crab meat smell.

>>1185712
>>1186235
The amount of rebar you'd need to support the containers' sides and roof, plus all the work welding them into the walls themselves almost certainly adds up to something more expensive than concrete.

>>1186013
Why even have a container inside if you're going to have walls and a ceiling regardless?

[Anonymous No.1186243]

>>1186241
>Why even have a container inside if you're going to have walls and a ceiling regardless?

To be a retarded assclown and live on imitation crab meat tendies.

[Anonymous No.1186250]

>>1186243
I guess that makes it worth doing.

[Anonymous No.1186336]

>>1186241

Well cracka, you either use 27 containers to make one structurally sound living space, or, protect the one container by holding up the soil around it.

[Anonymous No.1186353]

>>1186013
ah ye thanks dude.

[Anonymous No.1186393]

>>1185071
Dont listen to all these jerks, you know how 4chinners are.
Its very, very viable, after all theyre used at sea, why not in ground. Disregard the bad talk, they are actually very stron, and structually integrital, after all theyre stacked on each other, go ahead and do it, never look back!

[Anonymous No.1186400]

>>1185071

[Anonymous No.1186407]

>>1186400
>18 inches
dude that is longer than my black dick, naturally it would cave in

[Anonymous No.1188377]

>>1185071

Another thread died for this.

[Anonymous No.1188409]

>>1188377
This thread got bumped for this.

[Anonymous No.1188737]

>>1185071
Would work fine if u sage

[Anonymous No.1188774]

>>1185071
Understand that a shipping container doesn't endure a load on the entire portion of its roof; only on the contact points at each corner. If you bury one of these, you're putting enormous pressure on a thin sheet of metal which wasn't designed to distribute force. In other words, the metal will buckle under a few feet of dirt, and fail under a few yards.

[Anonymous No.1188778]

>>1185071
The shape of a shipping container also makes it extremely un-ideal as a pressure vessel (which is what you're talking about building). You want something cylindrical or spherical on top so that the force gets distributed parallel to the walls of the container rather than at right angles. There's a reason the Romans built arches. The curved shape is ideal for supporting a heavy load, because load forces are turned into compressive forces within the material.

[Anonymous No.1188783]

This is what you're aiming for. See how a large potion if the "radial stress" is diverted into hoop stress? This diverting of stress allows you to support more load with less material. You also get zero of these effects with a square

[Anonymous No.1188790]

>came for the diy
>stayed for the shipping containers

[Anonymous No.1188791]

>>1186400
that's pretty shit
I always thought those things are somewhat tough

[Anonymous No.1188799]

>>1188791
They are, when you use them correctly. That is, stack them on top of each other.

[Anonymous No.1188802]

>>1188799
Yeah, well I just thought the walls are thicker.

[Anonymous No.1188828]

Since we're in a shipping container thread, how would /diy/ make a shipping container spaceworthy? never mind launching systems, would it be able to handle the vacuum of space and cosmic rays?

[Anonymous No.1188853]

>>1185071
Notto disso shito again

[Anonymous No.1188871]

>>1185087
9/10 would read again

[Anonymous No.1188991]

>>1188828
No. Sealing it against even 200mBar would prove quite difficult, there's really no benefit at all to using a container for this purpose. But you could try to design a strong interlocking container for use by space freighters. On the cosmic rays, I think it will be fine, no worse than a lot of the ISS if you ask me. Making the container strong enough for launching would be easier to handle than the vacuum.

Somebody should design a 2" thick armour steel container for the explicit purpose of burying/submerging and showing /diy/ so that other people try it and fail.

[Anonymous No.1189006]

I know someone that berried a container. It collapsed.

[Anonymous No.1189084]

>>1188828
Just put great stuff foam in all the cracks around the doors and your good. A soda can can withstand over 100 psi of pressure and its just a little thicker than aluminum foil. I'm sure you'll be fine.

[Anonymous No.1189103]

>>1185071
Sea cans aren't meant to take loads on their walls or roofs. If you bury a sea can, the roof will collapse from the weight of all the dirt on top of it.

The reason they are able to stack is because they are designed to take weight on the corners, so if you put one sea can on top of another, the corners are what keep the container on top from crushing the one underneath it. If you put a heavy load on the roof without distributing the weight to the corners, the roof collapses.

I'm sure you're probably trolling, but in case you're being sincere, you don't want to bury a sea can. If you bury a sea can and you stay in it long enough, you will die. A much better option is simply to put it above ground, with nothing stacked on top of it.

[Anonymous No.1189264]

>>1185489

shipping containers are a pretty normie thing both my dad and father in law have separately mentioned it

[Anonymous No.1189272]

>>1189264
This is clearly not the place to learn about them though. Serious people study industrial and commercial container construction at the proper sites. This isn't one.

If you want a container, buy one and make a shop from it or extend a shop you own. That will answer many questions and you'll get an instantly usable shop with floors suitable for machine tools etc.

Mine aren't pretty yet (not a priority) or I'd post complete pics, but there's nothing special in cutting holes, sealing them, welding and so forth.

You must be a welder to make a useful container structure so if you are not one, learn. Learning to weld is worth more over a lifetime than any one shop. Some non-shit construction videos are finally cropping up on Jewtoob.

First, know how they are made.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7l6AQN1KV0https://

Watch that video several times and understand why shipping containers are designed as they are and what they aren't designed for.

If you can't break loose enough cash for a single container shop then forget containers until you unfuck your life.

A basic transformer stick welder will get the heavy welds and a 250A MIG machine or better with a suitcase feeder will efficiently join other containers to the first if you roll that way. Flux core is the way to weld roof joints etc. E71T-11 is the go-to wire.

If all you have is a stick welder that will get the job done but slower. Normies aren't people. Welders and mechanics are people. The thoughts of the ignorant don't matter. Learn and love containers for what they are really good for. Not hard.

Spergtards see a box. That's superficial. See it for how it's made and what options that gives you.

[Anonymous No.1189287]

>>1189264
>normie
just fucking kill yourself now

[Anonymous No.1189306]

>>1189272
>Normies
Die in a fire, shitstain.

[Anonymous No.1189309]

>>1188991
Could you use a space container for a bunker? I mean it can already handle vacuum and being underground would just be the same thing in reverse

[Anonymous No.1189445]

>>1189309
>it can already handle vacuum
That's a very dangerous assumption you're making there. The thing about making something space proof is that the conditions are pretty constant, when underground it depends entirely on whether you've got dirt putting force on all sides of your bunker, uneven rocks putting force on some parts, or force just on the corners. I wouldn't risk it.

[Anonymous No.1189451]

>>1185703
Is this a meme?

[Anonymous No.1189493]

>>1185071
It works but you'd need to fill it with dirt and tamp it every inch before your set it in the ground.

[Anonymous No.1189744]

>>1189451
Maybe being bad with copypastas is the new copypasta

[Anonymous No.1189991]

Wonder why no company has created a 3D printing system to build homes from sheets.

Could be used for rough condition temporary housing vs shitty cheap aluminum sheet homes, or worse, plastic ones.

FBM is best

[Anonymous No.1190007]

>>1188828
Just give up on vacuum sealing and leave a vacuum inside. It should provide good protection against light and small debris, but I'm not sure about cosmic rays. You can use it as a tool shed for carrying equipment around when you're working outside your spaceship. For example, a shipping container with propulsion and a tether allows you to bring many spare air canisters and a large crane to any point outside your ship, making maintenance work easy. Workers can be tethered to both the ship and the container for redundancy, and the container can have communications equipment that would be too bulky to bring in spacesuits.

You could also put a vacuum sealed chamber inside it with portapotty functions. This module would be completely separate from the container and simply housed inside it along with your other equipment.

The convenient container format allows you to standardize these maintenance containers across your fleet and swap them interchangeably between ships, saving time and ensuring workers don't forget to bring something.

[Anonymous No.1191025]

Based on the fact that you're lacking the usual lengthy explanation of why it's a great idea, I'm going to assume this is b8.

[Anonymous No.1191124]

Would the top still cave in if you put a large steel plate on top? The weight would be distributed along the top better, which those crates are made to do.

[Anonymous No.1191851]

>>1185462
While that is a rolloff container and not a shipping container, if you observe the paint outgassing on the outside you'll see why direct fire impingement isn't good for containers either. They'll save what's inside but if YOU are inside you'll have to escape or die.

[Anonymous No.1191854]

>>1185974
>Let's say I wanted the same sort of small underground bunker as everyone wants using a shipping container. What is the safest, most cost effective way to do this?

A precast concrete commercial shelter. There are many and they can be placed as easily as a concrete septic tank. You could also use a concrete septic tank IF you seal the inside and outside against moisture and don't forget the bottom, but you don't need a bunker nor do you know why you want one unless you live in tornado alley or are BunkerAnon (and the government mined his location).

[Anonymous No.1191857]

>>1189306
If you want to bury a container, you are the sort who regards others as normies because you are already so fucked in the head you think the user experience in a buried container is different than that in an aboveground container sufficiently to make planting the fucking thing a good idea. I was addressing the usual waterfall of retards in these threads. My ISO containers are above ground serving me well.

If any of you cockmonglers want to do something you REALLY have expectations of doing with a container I can point you in the right direction, otherwise go felch normies.

[Anonymous No.1191862]

>>1191124
You can't afford that size plate, and plate is surprisingly not strong. A flatrack container welded to the top of a standard container would do nicely for a roof, but not for burial.

Also remember the floors on most containers are wood over steel, not steel.

[Anonymous No.1191867]

One day a mod of true worth will just delete these threads as soon as they go up.

[Anonymous No.1191921]

>>1189287
>just kys
an hero anon

[Anonymous No.1192010]

>>1191862
Good points all around, I was just thinking out loud.

[Anonymous No.1192013]

>>1191854
Any posts from bunkerbro lately?
I've been working a lot of overtime and haven't been around much.

[Anonymous No.1192017]

>>1192013
Check the flywheel thread.

[Anonymous No.1192068]

>>1185962
Fake news

[Anonymous No.1193256]

>Build underground bunker out of cement
>Put shipping container inside bunker
What's not to love?

[Anonymous No.1194421]

I'm new to /diy/ - I get that this is a troll thread, but realistically it seems like this would be pretty easy to accomplish.

>dig a hole
>drop container in with a front-end loader
>weld rebar around it
>build forms with plywood
>dump concrete over it
f you re-enforced it, it would be strong enough to handle the weight, and if it was covered in concrete it would protect against radiation.
Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.1194422]

>>1194421
Not a troll thread, its a meta thread

[Anonymous No.1194613]

>>1194421
You're pretty much making a bunker around a shipping container, if you're gonna reinforce the container with concrete and stuff than it might as well not be there.

[Anonymous No.1194681]

>>1194613
Yeah, that makes sense. I guess you could build the whole thing for much cheaper without a shipping container. If you did the metal work yourself, and built the forms, the most expensive part of the project would be the material cost of all the concrete.

I found a guy on youtube named Colin Furze who made one with this method - he welded a metal box, and covered it with concrete.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR493Pee6Xo

[Anonymous No.1194704]

>>1194613
Wouldn't be a shipping container bunker without the shipping container.

[Anonymous No.1194707]

fun fact here in canada, on our patrol boats we call MCDVs, there's a shipping container just bolted to the back that some of the crew live in.

[Anonymous No.1194784]

>>1194681
I wonder if you could buy a prefabricated steel box, that you could bury with concrete in your backyard.

The only issue with building a bunker is that everyone in your neighborhood will know you have one.
You better hope you get in it quick in case of an emergency before your neighbor holds you at gunpoint and goes in themselves.

[Anonymous No.1194790]

>>1194784
Tell the neighbors you're installing a septic tank in there.

[Anonymous No.1194794]

>>1185382
Depends on the material of the screw and the material to be tapped