Settle a dispute that I'm still thinking about

[Anonymous No.1174524]

So I got in an argument with a guy I don't work for anymore.

He hired me to help him redo a roof on a building he purchased for business.

I wasn't a professional so I was paid less, but anyways...

He wanted to use a mop to tar the roof.

I thought it was stupid to use a mop and said it would probably be easier and faster to use a long handled paint roller. A cheap Walmart mop just wouldn't be as good and easy as a long handled paint roller IMO, even I'm uneducated in roofing I think I am right

Which one of us was right?

I am a lazy bastard in the sense that I'm always trying to find the easiest and fastest way to do something.

[Anonymous No.1174526]

Something like this! Pic related.

He was quite a character, too.

He mostly dealt in shady illegal affairs in his past I believe, but I'm proud to say after two felonies hes not wanting a third strike and a life sentace and a car wreck he nearly diednin convinced him there was divine intervention so he decided to go legit and get religion. He mostly hired drug addicts and paid under the table below minimum wage and I guess I freaked him out because I've always made my living in white markets and I don't do drugs anymore. I haven't been a pothead or drug addict for like 10 years. My opinion is you're either addicted to drugs or you've never tried drugs, so I've still got the monster in me.

Sorry for the exposition, just figured I'd liven up the thread a bit. Also sorry for improper sentence structure, grammar, etc. I'm still bad at English even though I'm born and raised American.

[Anonymous No.1174532]

They always use mops to tar roofs.
Think of the roof as a set of ribs and you are coating the fuck out of it, with really hot smelly tar.
I have watched people tar roofs and they always use mops.
...And I secretly loved the smell of hot tar

[Anonymous No.1174555]

>>1174532
>And I secretly loved the smell of hot tar
Smell of hot tar brings backs memories of when I was 6 and walking home from school. One week workmen were fixing a tar roof and had a huge pot of pubbling tar on the sidewalk. We talked to a workman while looking at the bubbling tar. Couldn't have been more then 2 feet from it. He was a nice guy, but asked us to back up as he was about to plonk more tar into the pot. I remember the cold tar being a cylinder. The pot was a large rectangle. Safety back in the 70s wasn't what is now.

[Anonymous No.1174560]

>>1174532
>>1174555

Yes I realize trades like roofing are traditional and very slow to change but there's almost always a better way that's faster, easier, and cheaper.

You said nothing about if I was right or not.

Masons and bricklayers still use trowels and shit to cement bricks and whatnot but you could invent a tool that's better!

Traditional tools survive because they are easy and cheap to make.

[Anonymous No.1174561]

>>1174524
roller won't hold nearly enough tar for one application, also it is not suited for bumpy surfaces or uneven surfaces and will push tar into tight spaces, mop is far superior in this application, your opinion is stupid, learn to mop

[Anonymous No.1174562]

>>1174561
won't push into tight spaces*

[Anonymous No.1174569]

>>1174561

>learn to mop
>mops clean things
>youre telling me to use a mop to spread tar

Do painters use mops? Do they?!

When you make an epoxy garage floor do you use a mop?

And you're calling me stupid for noticing the obvious?!

[Anonymous No.1174572]

>>1174569
Well think about it. You'd pick up maybe like 1/3 the amount of tar with a roller and the second you try and ROLL the ROLLER the tar would fuck it from rolling anymore. So what you've got is just a hot mess on the end of a stick.

With a mop you can soak up a lot more.

Also a garage floor is flat and requires a nice finish.

Sometimes things are just done a certain way because there is no easy way to do it.

[Anonymous No.1174574]

i suppose it depends on the coat, if youre using the amount of tar youd use to paint a wall if it was paint, then yeh it work nice.

if its a thick coat and uneven surface then a mop. its a no brainer.

[Anonymous No.1174577]

>>1174572

What if there was a specialty roller involved?

Yes I will grant most roller heads are designed to hold and spread less viscous material than tar.

But if it was designed for higher viscosity would it be easier?

They probably make specialized heads like that under some name.

[Anonymous No.1174578]

>>1174569
>thinks tar and paint is the same
>thinks he knows better than his boss
>admits to be unprofessional, and not educated
>insists on his method is somehow better when it isn't

yes, you are stupid, you are stupid, you are stupid, drill that into your little head and learn to use a fucking mop to tar a roof, fucking twat

[Anonymous No.1174579]

>>1174574

Or what if you used a solvent that evaporates cleanly to dilute the tar so it'd roll easier and take to the roller better?

Then it'd take another coat or two by it'd seep in all the cracks and nail holes much better and might go five times faster than mopping because its not as labor intensive.

[Anonymous No.1174580]

>>1174577
what the fuck is wrong with you, if you want to invent something then stop arguing and make one, or just learn to mop, god this thread is dumb

[Anonymous No.1174581]

>>1174524
>>1174526
>>1174560
>>1174569
So when you asked "Which one of us was right?" what you really meant was "Tell me I was right I'm a delicate flower and I'll get upset if you don't tell me I was right even though I'm not".

Go try /r9k/ for your special needs support network. You were wrong.

[Anonymous No.1174583]

>>1174578

My boss was only my boss in name. I was a gas station clerk that had the next three days off and he was recruiting anyone he could.

He was also a little insane. He's the type of pure predatory capitalist that would pay illegals next to nothing for dirt cheap labor while pocketing the fruits of their labor.

[Anonymous No.1174584]

>>1174581

Shut the fuck up bitch.

I'll admit when I'm wrong. I'll also admit I'm a little stubborn but I take the path of least resistance with the beat results.

Yes, I have argued with some posters because their explanations haven't satisfied me.

Tar is a petroleum product just like paint, FORGIVE ME for trying to find a faster, better, less labor intensive way to tar a roof PLEASE because roofing during the hottest part of the year during the hottest part of the day is a pain in the ass I wouldn't wish on anybody.

[Anonymous No.1174586]

>>1174583
who the fuck cares, this thread is about your stupid idea being stupid, a roller is not better, end of fucking story, your idea is stupid, do you understand

let me make it easier to understand: your idea is stupid and simply is wrong, you are wrong, you were wrong, your idea do not work, it is wrong and stupid, you are wrong and stupid, mop is better, your boss was right, and you were wrong

go on and try to tell us how you are not stupid and wrong, because as a matter of fact you are wrong and stupid, stop arguing about facts

holy fucking shit

[Anonymous No.1174587]

>>1174584
No, there is no forgiving a stupid twat who cannot accept he is wrong and continues to blame the tar, blame the roof, blame the industry, blame his boss, blame the fucking weather, blame the internet

Fucking snowflake is what you are, stop arguing and accept you are wrong, fucking shut up

[Anonymous No.1174588]

Because tar is a petroleum product you could probably dilute it with a fast evaporating solvent and use a SPRAYER!!

what about that idea?

Using a damn mop just seems ridiculous.


People have been to fucking space, we have human body parts growing on lab animals, we genetically engineer things, so pardon me for fucking with your Amish style "the way I was taught is the best" mentality because that mentality leads to a society with no progression.

[Anonymous No.1174589]

>>1174586
>>1174587

Yall are the kind of people that say "don't reinvent the wheel" while being ignorant about tweels.

I bet y'all used to think dial up internet was as good as it gets and when you see modern homes aren't being built with phone jacks anymore you're going to feel like crotchety old men.

[Anonymous No.1174590]

>>1174589
you didnt reinvent the wheel you proposed a stupid method which we debunked, then you proceed to blame every fucking thing but yourself, you were hired to do one job, not to bitch about it

[Anonymous No.1174594]

>>1174579
i wrote a long ass post about innovation in certain trades and my personal experience but i pressed the back button on my mouse.

basically chemistry is out of my field but its possible. also possible it hasnt been tried.

[Anonymous No.1174595]

>>1174580
>t. OP from useful images thread

fuck right off

[Anonymous No.1174598]

>>1174588
>tfw future roads will be tarred by 1 person essentially saving money for the governments of the world and increasing everyones living standards all because one little OP was tenacious enough to continue pursuing his idea despite the crossboard /pol/ posters who come here every now and then to convince themselves theyre manly men and not a bunch of fairies

[Anonymous No.1174601]

>>1174598
only this is a fantasy, and op is still unemployed, and uneducated, and still bitching about his fragile body cannot withstand mopping a roof in the sun and dunno why his boss makes him suffer, a mystery nobody can solve

[Anonymous No.1174602]

>>1174524
I only use a thick nap paint roller on metal roofing where the roofing is, "flat," including corrugated roofing. They won't work on gravely surfaces very well at all (like in your pic). Having less weight on the paint roller than on a mop makes the job much much easier and less tiring.

This thread reminds me it is time to do my roof again.

>>1174589
>pic

Are these the new patented mud flinger tires?

[Anonymous No.1174604]

>>1174601
you sound insecure

[Anonymous No.1174606]

>>1174604
you sound like a retarded labourer who bitches about his job and is having fantasy about reinventing the world so he can get away with no mopping

[Anonymous No.1174607]

>>1174601

Dude I have a job. I work full time.

This happened like 5 months ago.

[Anonymous No.1174608]

>>1174606

You sound like a dude that spent his whole life picking fuzz out of his carpet because nobody told him about vacuums...

Then when someone suggests there might be a better way you freak out because you couldnt mentally cope with discovering you wasted what amounts to months of your life because you didn't know better so you kill the messenger.

[Anonymous No.1174609]

>>1174608
you sound like someone trying to prove a stupid idea is right but throws a tantrum when he is proven wrong and now only calling names and other stupid shit when he can't cope with the fact he is wrong and people pointed it out and laughed at this faggot

[Anonymous No.1174612]

>>1174606
thats funny i was about to say the same thing about >>1174601

"harden the fuck up" is not a solution to any real world problem but its good shitpost fuel when you have no real knowledge or at the very least constructive criticism.

[Anonymous No.1174613]

>>1174579
So your telling us.... you want to do multiple thin coats.... of a sicky , long drying, tar on a roof? And you dont see why that isnt a thing now?

1. No one wants to spend a week coating a roof.
2. How are you going to apply the next layer without walking through and fucking up the first one?

Why do you hate mops? Just use the fucking mop

[Anonymous No.1174614]

>>1174612
if you have a retarded labourer who wont do his job because it is too sunny and he is worried of getting hot, harden the fuck up is the only solution, or get fired as op has proven

[Anonymous No.1174621]

>>1174614

[Anonymous No.1174634]

What if we made a paint roller with mop tassels coming off it?

[Anonymous No.1174637]

>>1174602
The first and only decent post

[Anonymous No.1174639]

>OP

[Anonymous No.1174646]

I was hired to do this and they gave me a mop

[Anonymous No.1174648]

>>1174613
>>1174634
What we need to do is combine these issues and ideas. I propose a tarring drone that can fly over a roof with a rotating mop roller.And we'll get uneducated, unprofessional people like OP to pilot them.

He'll probably complain about the controller and come to /diy/ with another invention.. Nevermind

[Anonymous No.1174652]

op grow a fucking spine and learn to mop

[Anonymous No.1174680]

you posted a photo of a guy using a mop to spread tar need this debate carry on any longer? you proved yourself incorrect the moment you posted the fucking tar mop

[Anonymous No.1174698]

>>1174524
I legit feel sorry for the guy who hired you and had to pay for dealing with your shit.
You didn't create this thread because you want to know who was right, you created it because you wanted us to agree with you and pat you on the back. Accept the fact that you're not a genius for suggesting a roller and if a roller was better than a mop, people would use a roller you fucking turbo autist

[Anonymous No.1174702]

>>1174526
>but I'm proud to say after two felonies hes not wanting a third strike and a life sentace
Americans think they have freedom lmfao

[Anonymous No.1174704]

>>1174524
>oh shit, a surface that isn't completely flat
>better go fetch a paintbrush to smear tar on it
>oh geez, if only there was a tool that could do both like a FUCKING MOP

[Anonymous No.1174706]

What if you had a roomba that spun around with a bunch of mop heads on paint rollers tho? And i had a contraption on top to heat and squirt hot tar?

[Anonymous No.1174707]

>>1174524
Mop is correct. Wage slave junkies like you aren't paid to think. Shut the fuck up and do what you're told.

[Anonymous No.1174714]

never seen someone using a mop on the roof

roofer in germany

[Anonymous No.1174719]

>>1174706
Topkek roomba strikes again

[Anonymous No.1174733]

>>1174583
>He's the type of pure predatory capitalist that would pay illegals next to nothing for dirt cheap labor while pocketing the fruits of their labor.

That is smart though. You're a blockhead.

[Anonymous No.1174863]

>>1174526
Sucks anon. Ive seen dope ruin lives and im an alchaholic.

Bad enough day yesterday ibput away the vodka and stick to beer for now so i dont accidently drink myself to death and ruin the lives of the 4 people that give a fuck if i am sucking air...

Grats too u. Its pretty fucking tough sometimes

[Anonymous No.1174902]

>>1174621
kek

[Anonymous No.1174903]

>>1174589
>don't reinvent the wheel
Yes, a meme wheel for a supremely niche purpose that will never be used because it wastes 40% of the energy supplied to it.

[Anonymous No.1175236]

>>1174702
Depends, if you want 'freedom' just to act like a complete retard, then I guess America is really not the place for you.

[Anonymous No.1175722]

>>1174555
>>1174588
Those rolls of tar you remember are called lugs, they are 111pounds each, when heated in a tar pot or kettle, by a propane burner the tar turns into the consistency of water, usually pumped up to the roof into a rolling bucket, or hauled up in a 5 gallon can, each lug is good for about 1 square or 100 square feet a 10 X 10 section, usually it is called hot mopping, usually used on flat roofs it is also called a built up roof, a base layer of asphalt felt paper is nailed to the roof deck, sometimes you can spot mop it down, then a layer of tar, then layers of asphalt ply are layered onto the tar and several layers are added, then either a cap sheet, this is an asphalt or bitmun fiberglass sheet that has stone granuels imbeded on the top side, often a smooth cap sheet is installed more tar mopped and roofing gravel 1 to 2 inches is added, a built up roof with the gravel layer is the best flat roof in the desert SW to have, the gravel prevents hail from damaging the cap sheet by absorbing the impacts, a Granulated Cap sheet gets a hole in it, only real way to apply a tar roof on a small business or residential roof is it a mop, on some large commercial roofs a sprayer is normally used, don't be stingy with the tar, let it flow where it wants to go and seal all the holes, normal house takes about 2 pallets of tar, so 36 to 40 lugs, gotta have a fire extinguisher handy, fires start all the time.

[Anonymous No.1176016]

>>1174598

>roads
>tar

man you ARE a fucking moron arent you.. roads are made of asphalt and laid down by a machine. you dont tar a road, and dont even try that asphalt is tar shit I know what asphalt is, bt tarring a roof and making a road are 2 completely different processes.

fucking shut your anal flap

[Anonymous No.1176037]

>>1176016
At this point just use a fucking roller and see what happens I couldn't give a single fuck about you.

[Anonymous No.1176049]

>>1174524
OP edginess is beyond that of a summer lord fuckwad

[Anonymous No.1176050]

>>1174707
>this

[Anonymous No.1176051]

>>1174578

>and don't forget that you are stuuuupid

[Anonymous No.1177046]

>>1176016

Your as dumb as OP.
Don't talk outside your area of expertise.

Search up Asphalt cutbacks and Chipseal.

[Anonymous No.1177085]

Op is an idiot and if it thinks it's so smart why doesn't it come up with the "better" tools for the job and become rich?

[Anonymous No.1177467]

Op is a cunt...I would of been in your face
You would of went to lunch and never returned because youre a pussy

[Anonymous No.1177490]

If i was your boss Id have given you a roller and said have at it. No need to argue.

Youd pick up a mop soon after, garunteed.

[Anonymous No.1177532]

>>1174581

This.

[Anonymous No.1177534]

>>1174524
Your way was the wrong way.

[Anonymous No.1177535]

>>1174594
Man I hate it when that shit happens.

[Anonymous No.1177560]

>>1174524
So you argued with a guy about how to do a job, despite the fact that you admit that you have no experience with doing the job in the first place.

Do you tell doctors how to practice medicine?
Do you tell lawyers how to practice the law?

Until it's you that's paying for the materials or paying the wages, shut your trap and do your job. Just be safe about it, too.

[Anonymous No.1177613]

>>1174561
They make mop-knap-sleeves for rollers. I use 460mm wide ones to apply epoxy to horribly uneven surfaces all the time. OP may be a smartass faggot, but still right.

[Anonymous No.1177629]

>>1174577

You did not have such a head so for the sake of your argument you were wrong.

[Anonymous No.1177754]

>>1174524
pretty sure its a mop, but then as i was driving i saw some workers taring a parking lot with rollers.

photo proof

[Anonymous No.1177762]

>>1174524
I bet it would come apart half way into the job.

[Anonymous No.1177763]

>>1174524
>I was paid less

Had nothing to do with you not being a professional...

[Anonymous No.1178559]

>>1177467
this

[Anonymous No.1178572]

>>1174583

>He's the type of pure predatory capitalist that would pay illegals next to nothing for dirt cheap labor while pocketing the fruits of their labor.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

[Anonymous No.1178604]

It really depends on the situation, anon. If you have to cover the seams of the roll roofing then a roll brush will make short work. If its a patching job then a mop should work.

[Anonymous No.1179231]

>>1174524
without having to delve into the details(like the difference in viscosity between paint and tar, and the volume of tar you can pick up with either, and the fact that the tar will most likely screw up the rotating mechanism in your roller pretty quick), have you considered this OP:

its the industry standard, and for a reason, thousands upon thousands upon of people have done roofing jobs and mops are the preferred way to do it. dont you think over the course of history someone wouldve thought of and tried using/modifying another incredibly commonplace tool(the paint roller) to do the job. i can assure you, you're not the first person to think of this concept, but it was not economically or operationally as efficient as the mop, and thats why your boss and the vast majority of roofers use mops to tar roofs.

and you can say 'way to accept current limitations, and not strive for innovation,' sometimes the simplest tool for the job is the right one and you just need to accept that

[Anonymous No.1179234]

>>1179231
This. Carpenter here who has roofing experience.
>>1174524
Rollers are used for membrane roofs. Mops are used for tar.

What you sound like is a roofers laborer who is in the portajon crying & bitching about your boss to us, who probably just got done firing your whiny ass.

[Coconut !hEpdoZ.tHU No.1179543]

A friend of mine and I have jokes geared towards people like you. Always have "ideas" and try chocking it up to "smarter not harder" when it's really just inefficient. This one guy will suggest something then BEGS you to try it his way. Laughing in his face every time. Do what your boss says, don't be a pain in the ass and keep your fucking mouth shut. That's 101

[Anonymous No.1180012]

>>1174524
Tar is around 480 - 550 degrees F.
A spinning roller can let it fly all over - serious hazzard.

A roller will also stop rolling fairly quickly due to getting gunked up.
Also, a mop will pull a lot more tar out of the bucket at once. Never, simply try to pour the tar from the bucket - major hazzard.
A mop is far faster and more efficient at spreading the tar around.

>>1174555
>I remember the cold tar being a cylinder.
They call it a 'tootsie' because it looks like a really big tootsie roll.
A lot of kettlemen will break them up with an axe in the cooler morning so they melt down faster. This does not work so well on a hot afternoon.

>>1174569
>Do painters use mops? Do they?!
Painters don't have to worry about paint splatter burning through their clothes and a quarter inch into their flesh.

The tar, when finished, will be about a quarter inch thick..... far more than paint.

[Anonymous No.1181001]

I own a pizzeria. My roof started to leak last year, & I hired a pretty reputable local contractor to do it (got a deal because I mentioned him in several promotions, & shill for him for free on the disposable placemats in the dining room). Anyway, I watched him work a bit; he was pouring the shit onto the roof directly, & several of his guys immediately got to work spreading it out with industrial squeegees. Guy seems like a bit of a nut, but that was almost 5 years ago, & it still looks pretty good...

[Anonymous No.1181004]

>>1174524
>op posts thesis
>gets immediately ridiculed
well op why the fuck don't you try it out, do half of your roof with mop and half with roller.
report back

[Anonymous No.1182187]

>>1174524
kill yourself

[Anonymous No.1182760]

>>1174524
congrats op you have succeeded in learning part of why charles murray says everyone should do manual labor or food service even if they plan on going into a completely different career.

[Anonymous No.1183058]

>>1174569

You are stupid, I'm glad you dont work there any more, don't need a retard doing that stuff.

[Anonymous No.1183136]

>>1174583
Holy shit. Stupid, arrogant, and a communist. What are you, 18?

[Anonymous No.1183142]

>>1174903

Sup nigga

[Anonymous No.1184453]

>>1177613
epoxy != tar

[Anonymous No.1184472]

>>1177754
That's seal coating which is mostly cosmetic, not heavily applying asphalt.

The squeegee guy was damned ingenious. A roller would be inadequate for serious tarring (not to be fucking confused with cosmetic coating, I've done both).

Epoxy is not tar is not seal coating. Come on people, know the differences if you expect to work with such things.

[Anonymous No.1184481]

>>1174524
>doesn't know the job
>still argues about how it should be done
yes you are retarded

[Anonymous No.1184601]

>>1174569
Get fucked you insufferable faggot. The answer was given to you. You are wrong. Paint isn't tar. Now shut up and do your job you little whiney cunt.
> sage