Welding thread

[Anonymous No.1822167]

How well would pic related work for a noob looking to learn welding?
What are good places to get scrap metal for practice?

[Anonymous No.1822179]

>>1822167
I've watched youtube videos on this subject.

Basically there are a lot of cheap welders out there that don't work too well and overheat very quickly. They can be good if you have something small in mind, but not if you want to keep it for a lot of jobs.

Obviously a better more expensive welder is going to be easy to work and learn on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlnqLcFeLqs

[Anonymous No.1822184]

>>1822179
I should add that one didn't overheat, but it had trouble with larger sizes of welding rods.

[Anonymous No.1822196]

>>1822167
I know someone who bought one of those (against my advice). they have a 10% duty cycle and easily pull over 20amps even though they say they only pull 15. you need a 30am circuit to run one, and the wire is always live when power is on. I would not spend less than $400 on a mig welder.

[Anonymous No.1822198]

>>1822179
OMG someone saved his welding videos!

[Anonymous No.1822204]

>>1822167
I have one of these and it's a decent hobbyist level welder for the cost. Easy to use and can lay a decent bead with practice. Only real cons are it only has two current setting(high/low) and it welds in AC. It is easy to convert to DC for a higher quality weld, but at that point you should have just went ahead and bought a slightly higher quality machine to begin with.Simply put, if you anticipate getting serious about welding then go ahead and get a higher quality one.

[Anonymous No.1822269]

>>1822167
>Harbor Freight

[Anonymous No.1822270]

>>1822167
New steel is typically quite reasonable and your supplier can saw it to length convenient for you to take home. It is MUCH better to practice on clean steel and begin with pad welding beads about 6" long next to each other to build muscle memory. For example you can buy a 20' stick of 1-1/2" angle 3/16" thick, cut to short length for transport, and weld on both sides. That's a good bit of area. Steel suppliers usually have "cutoffs" or "drops" left over they may sell cheap to clean out the pile instead of scrapping it.

The little FCAW wire welding machines are exasperating to learn on because they're underpowered, often have poor arc quality, and frequently have inconsistent feed. I regard them as a way to sabotage noob weldors. I built and ran a welding school toolroom, repaired and maintained welders and other equipment, and rebuild OA gear for fun.

I want to see many happy successful noob weldors and carry on as my mentors did for me. I'm not the finest weldor in the world (shoulder replacement, nerve damage, eyesight) but properly perform the joints I need by practicing each beforehand then destructive testing. Learn to train yourself. Persistence is everything and welding is incredibly useful.
>>1822196
Sound advice.

It being impossible to go into the required detail in ephemeral threads. Have some outstanding resources.
https://weldingweb.com/vbb/
https://forum.millerwelds.com/
https://weldtalk.hobartwelders.com/ Slow but worthwhile for Hobart machines.

Besides shitloads of useful info on machines you can start with there are many threads on how to buy used and new welding machines and how to buy gas cylinders. I've over 4K posts on WW and even the basic training and equipment pastas (from anyone) would be too long for this thread.

A 240V machine is vastly more capable than a 120V shitbox, and a ~180A MIG machine (which can run FCAW if you need to save to buy a gas cylinder) will likely weld whatever steel you need.

[Anonymous No.1822368]

>>1822269
This. Get the year long warranty. Run it hard learning through stupid mistakes then go take it back and get an upgraded version for free. That's what I'm doing.

[Anonymous No.1822391]

>>1822198
>OMG someone saved his welding videos!

His welding videos were always mediocre at best, and his review videos were absolute dog shit. ShillE2009 just shilling whatever trash people would give him for free, and pretend like it wasnt sponsored.

I always find it ironic, he would label everything he makes "Made in the USA", and talk about how things should be made in the USA and people need to support USA workers like him.
Yet every fucking video is him shilling chinese inverter welders, chinese cold cut saws, talking about how great this or that harbor freight tool is like the tap set, talking about improvements to his chinese ebay tools like the pipe bender and other things he could have easily bought from a made in america company.
Hes as big of a jew as ive ever seen, and a giant hypocrite going on about globalism and all that.

I didnt realize he finally got axed. Losing serious youtube monetization, patrons, sponsorships and free tools. And for what?
Guy truly is a dumbfuck

[Anonymous No.1822408]

My uncle purchased the SMAW (Stick/Arc) HF model, and I've played with it. It works as imagined. I did a small 1/16, 6013 rod, my dad purchased in the 1980's. Still good. And 6013 is easy to work and does ZERO penetration.

I'd say...yeah. It plugs into a 110V outlet, try some tacking, and maybe run some beads.

I've never done Flux or Mig, but I heard it's easier than stick.

[Anonymous No.1822498]

>>1822167
I don't even weld, but you can see the difficulty and splatter this guy gets from HF's cheapest shit. They don't even sell the $90 stick anymore from the looks of it. Just fast forward to the testing and results at 9:35.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tidmzG1PPjQ

[Anonymous No.1822507]

>>1822167
I have one of these and I enjoy it.

[MrCrummyPaws No.1822512]

>>1822498
>They don't even sell the $90 stick anymore
This thing was useless, my friend had one and trying to get it to light up without sticking was fucking impossible, shit was hilarious.

another friend has the cheapest flux core they have, it's basically a nightmare to use.
Makes me glad i spent decent money on my welders.

[Anonymous No.1822647]

>>1822512
The 80a stick welder was actually decent if you knew its capabilities and used the right rods with it.
It was touted for years as one of the best deals at Harbor Freight. Then they bumped the price up from 99 to 140, then the vulcan line came in and they axed it.

[Anonymous No.1822661]

>>1822179
based chuckie1488

[Anonymous No.1822667]

>>1822167
I have this one in blue just to fuck around with. It’ll stick metal together but it’s a shitty welder and penetration is terrible. Mainly used for tacking small stuff together.

[Anonymous No.1822673]

>>1822391
he didn't get axed he deleted his videos, and his welding videos are pretty decent, I liked his shill videos where he does his best to make the cheap welders out to be crap when they actually look like they do a decent job.

but at least now I downloaded copies of the videos I like.

[Bepis !n/ZnkB9jUw No.1822685]

>>1822661
Wait, what happened? Why did dude delete everything? Was he one of those retards who argued with people in the comments of his own videos?

That Wranglestar guy seems the same way, getting all butthurt by random interweb comments from armchair expert kids.

[Anonymous No.1822689]

>>1822685
he took a perfectly nice and profitable channel and he went alt-right.

he should have started a new channel or just go straight to bitchute (like he did for a while)

but he made one huge mistake he talked politics on a non politics channel.

I never watched his channel for politics and never wanted to know his politics. Same as adam savage I don't want to hear he political views whether I agree with them or not.

[Anonymous No.1822696]

>>1822685
also youtube demonitized him and to keep youtube from profiting from his videos he deleted them.

I expect that when he find out his videos are up again he may have youtube take them down. so download them while you can.

[Anonymous No.1822707]

>>1822685
He actively voiced support for the Christchurch shooter, reading his manifesto on his channel like the retard he is.
Then he was surprised that youtube didnt like it, and the FBI gave him a nice visit to his shop. He deleted his videos after that. He also deleted his Bitchute channel (which is a pedo laden youtube alternative).
The FBI must have put him in his place.

[Anonymous No.1822711]

>thread consensus: cheap wire welders a shit
I have an Oxyacetylene torch laying around, would that be okay to learn on?
If I get an expensive welder and decide that welding isn't my thing, how much am I going to lose if I sell it?

>>1822391
>Losing serious youtube monetization, patrons, sponsorships and free tools. And for what?
He addressed that in a later video. His political motives meant more to him than the fame and money did.

>>1822689
>Why can't people just leave politics out of things?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NJIj47Tusw
Intolerance works. Using your power and influence to normalize and spread your ideas is how you "win".
>What about consumer revolt?
"Get woke, go broke" stops working when your either business is so big and diverse that boycotting you is very difficult, or you have a large enough customer base of unthinking cattle that will buy your shit no matter what

[Anonymous No.1822712]

>>1822685
he's married now and running his welding and farming businesses.

[Anonymous No.1822718]

>>1822711
>I have an Oxyacetylene torch laying around, would that be okay to learn on?
that's what I learned on, gas welding is very comfy and does not require fancy expensive equipment and masks. just a pair of welding goggles gloves and protective clothing. It's quite and produces less nasty fumes.

study up on Oxyacetylene first oxygen & acetylene can be dangerous if not handled properly.

[Anonymous No.1822720]

>>1822696
>so download them while you can.

Make sure you get the great content of him trying to be an authority on Lathes, when he doesnt understand how a tailstock works.
Or an authority on bandsaws, when he was too dumb to remove 3 bolts and was sponsored by another company.
His only decent videos were his very early videos, the ones where he himself was learning to weld and hadnt been sponsored. And they are only valuable to very beginner welders, but its the same shit you can find on any other welding channel. It wasnt special.

Politics aside, this board hated this faggot for years. The channel was fucking trash.
He only got a small resurgence in popularity when he did /pol/ shit. I actually remember /pol/ coming over and spamming threads about him to try and archive his videos, not because they were good videos but because of politics.

Dont let this fool you, the actual videos themselves arent good and you arent missing out on anything since they have been deleted.

[Anonymous No.1822723]

>>1822689
I hate white people as badly as you bruh. It's all about that dolla namsayin? Replacement theorists, trump supporters, anyone in a red state, same shit. imma knock em all out. Not even trying to hear that political bulshit, just let the govment give me mine.

[Anonymous No.1822725]

>>1822711
>His political motives meant more to him than the fame and money did.
lol
Worked out real well for him it seems, so fucking shook he cant even keep his videos up on Bitchute, the alt-right youtube.
His politics for buying and supporting USA made tools were just as flimsy as his "political motives" for his video.

[Anonymous No.1822727]

What kind of setup do I buy if I want to teach myself how to weld? Does every welder need to work with gas cylinders?

I mostly just want to do body work on a project car(s) and occasionally fuck around with something like modifying a trailer or fabricating one from scratch

[Bepis !n/ZnkB9jUw No.1822742]

>>1822707
>>1822689
What a dumbass

>>1822712
Yeah but he could’ve never made another video and get that little check for years to come if he didn’t do that dumb shit.

[Anonymous No.1822748]

>>1822742
I dont think people are realizing how much money his channel made either. He had a ton of sponsors and actively did paid promotion videos. Milwaukee, Everbilt, that weird Coldsaw and Bandsaw company just off the top of my head, he had a huge Patreon making serious bank each month. And he was monetized on youtube with millions of views on each and every video that came out.
That was paying the bills and buying the beer and then some. Pumping out shitty videos wasnt hard at the point he got to. He just made quota filler videos like AVE does now.

Good on him for taking advantage of youtube and shitty chink welding companies, but how fucking dumb do you have to be to throw that easy street money away and rely on a fucking welding and repair shop for the rest of his life?

[Anonymous No.1822755]

>>1822723
My deleted youtube channel was a pittance to the value of keeping my genetically superior white bloodline alive.

[Anonymous No.1822781]

>>1822725
Exactly. He didn't understand that the alt-right is a very vocal but very minor political movement. Most people think that shit is racist and toxic. He stuck his foot in his mouth and once it realized that he fucked up and the gravy train was over he stopped making videos. IE it was never about the passion of doing the work, it was about making money. Once the money was gone he took his toys and went home.

[Anonymous No.1822806]

>>1822727
Buy the 171 aka next model up. If you want to do body work you're gonna need gas.

[Anonymous No.1822822]

>>1822685
>Wait, what happened?

He named the jew. Thats what.

[Anonymous No.1822829]

>>1822822
What?
Did he make a youtube video about how orthodontists are jews and shouldnt be trusted, and their services werent needed?

[Anonymous No.1822830]

>>1822720
he became /pol/'s guy when he came out of the closet and the market says otherwise on his videos.

[Anonymous No.1822832]

>>1822723
I don't hate white people, in fact:
it's ok to be white.

>>1822748
he lost a TON of revenue and sponsors when he came out of the closet.

>>1822781
in a follow up video just before he deleted his channel he was selling all the stuff he shilled and sponsors gave him. probably made some bank on that.

>>1822829
no, most of his stuff was about white people being replaced.

[Anonymous No.1822840]

>>1822832
>no, most of his stuff was about white people being replaced.
By chinks and their undercutting and killing of american industry?
What did he say to do, support local americans by buying american? Ah, makes sense. As a welder he can easily buy american made vises and welders and steel. Im sure he was a big proponent of that!

[Anonymous No.1822860]

>>1822711
>I have an Oxyacetylene torch laying around, would that be okay to learn on?

It's a wonderfully useful and versatile process ignored today because people fear gas or something and are socially conditioned to think electrical things are better than gassy things.

Use a face shield instead of goggles (goggles are trash). I use Jackson headgear with a shade 5 shield. Your local welding supply will have them. The gas welding section on Weldingweb is good but spend a few dollars and get a copy of the Oxwelder's Handbook, no later than the 1939 edition which was peak OA when everything TIG does today was done by torch (including aluminum).

https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?cm_sp=SearchF-_-topnav-_-Results&kn=The%20Oxwelder%27s%20Handbook&sts=t

Fine tips are great for sheet metal. An OA outfit can do anything from jewelry to cutting up ships for scrap. Requiring no electricity it's mobile and needs no grid. It can weld, braze, solder, cut, melt small amounts of metal for casting, heat steel for easy bending and forging and more.

I have plenty of industrial welders but would never be without my OA gear (I rebuild my own regulators and torches, and collect torches as a hobby). Older US made torches and regulators tend to be high quality and I've torches from the 1930s still on the original seals passing pressure tests well in excess of working pressure. If your regulators ever need overhaul your local welding supply can route them or you can find services on the internet. (Check Weldingweb for reliable businesses.)

Take your time and outfit a practice area (which can be small). Welding is repeated, consistent fine motor movements developed by relentless practice. A decent thickness to begin with is clean 1/8" sheet, flat bar or angle. You can get filler rod at your local welding supply but a good way to begin practice is welding without filler.

https://www.tinmantech.com/education/articles/tig-vs-torch.php

[Anonymous No.1822993]

>>1822860
Just about all we used in the Army when deployed was Oxy. No reliable local power and we didn't want to run generators all the time because the fuel had to be conveyed in and supply convoys were the fuckers #1 target. The less we ran the less we were attacked.

[Anonymous No.1823128]

>>1822993
Was oxy that much easier to get?

[Anonymous No.1823168]

What are some good non-leather welding gloves?

[Anonymous No.1823180]

>>1822689
>alt-right
lmao okay, dweeb.

[Anonymous No.1823188]

>>1822184
It's a flux-cored, similar to MIG. There is no "rod" although the wire it uses is similar.

[Anonymous No.1823192]

>>1823180
This, in his video he called himself a "far right-wing ethno-nationalist", not an alt-righter

[Anonymous No.1823254]

>>1823192
tomato tomato

[Anonymous No.1823319]

>>1822512
I had trouble with the cheap stick and had an old wire that I couldn't weld shit with. Figure if I was a better welder, it wouldn't be a problem. The latest and greatest el cheapo from HF, I am really enjoying. As pictured in OP.

[Anonymous No.1823347]

Bought this Tombstone on whim. Have never welded before.
What would you say the limitations of this machine are if wired to a 60 amp breaker?

[Anonymous No.1823653]

>>1823254
No.
Alt right : Trying to make anti-SJW poliltics hip, cool, and acceptable in the mainstream. Got quite a few kosher conservatives like PJW on board before Cville happened and they dropped it like a hot potato. Now a label used by cringelords stuck in 2016 and the media as a replacement for "Nazi"
"far right-wing ethno-nationalist" : never attempted to be palatable to the mainstream

>>1822755
>haha dumb nazi thinks he's better than other people because of genetics
>He is a lesser person because he is ugly and I am attractive
Pick one.

[Mrcrummy No.1823658]

>>1823347
>limitations
Anything that isnt stick welding or scratch start is off limits
Great if you're welding pipelines or building sky scrapers welding I-beams together.

[Anonymous No.1823729]

>>1823347
They have nice arc quality and you can do far more with AC electrodes than most people think. However Radnor electrode quality varies widely so keep that in mind. Lincoln, Hobart, ESAB etc are more consistent.

60A is ample. I've run MUCH larger machines off 50A (tho not maxed out).

https://weldingproductivity.com/article/ac-vs-dc/

Set up a practice area, buy some clean steel from your local supplier and begin by making weld beads (not joining parts, just straight practice beads) of at least six inches length to build muscle memory.

Visit welding forums because proper training methods and practices are too complex to type in ephemeral threads. https://weldingweb.com/vbb/ I suggest posting a thread asking how to set up your practice area, what basic tools to have, and other relevant info for self-training with an AC machine. Welding is not intuitive so study then execute. The Miller site has free training videos online.

It's not difficult to practice the same way one learns in formal training and will make you a better weldor much quicker than the usual Bubba thrashing. Ensure you can see well at working distances.

[Anonymous No.1823742]

How does cheap stick welding compare to cheap flux welding when working on minibike frames?

[Anonymous No.1823777]

step 1. mma

[Anonymous No.1823779]

>>1823168
>buy nice gloves
>destroy them in 2 days instead of 1

[Anonymous No.1823785]

>>1822167
Go get yourself a Hobart. Hobart balances between performance and price pretty nicely, after all they are basically miller's budget brand. 220v will be better, but 110v will do just fine if thats the only outlet you have.
>T. Welder

[Anonymous No.1823793]

>>1823653
> never attempted to be palatable to the mainstream
Semantics

>haha dumb nazi thinks he's better than other people because of genetics
>He is a lesser person because he is ugly and I am attractive

You can see the irony right?
If Eugenics was an accepted thing, his genes wouldnt make the cut!

[Anonymous No.1824109]

>>1823793
>Semantics
It's like the difference between a Drug Lord and a Big Pharma exec. They may both sell drugs, but their business models and relationship with society are totally different.
>If Eugenics was an accepted thing, his genes wouldnt make the cut!
Do you have proof he's a eugenecist?

[Anonymous No.1824117]

>>1822720
lol, feel the exact same way about his videos. I actually subbed him back when he still lived in ohio and was playing with the OA setup. I remember he got a shitty meth head setup at first with expired tanks, rotten hoses, and leaky regualtors. he was so pissed that he just went out and bought a new victor set at tractor supply. then he moved to texas and became a literal paid shill.

[Anonymous No.1824125]

I wanna learn fillet brazing to make my own bike frame. Is it worth doing a night course on welding at a reputable training place to get some skills down or should I just get myself a cheap setup and learn by fucking around with scraps and youtube videos?

[Anonymous No.1824449]

>>1824125

[MrCrummyPaws No.1824459]

>>1824125
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no-OWfC5-RY
I never took and courses or training, just learned on my own, if you wanna take a course that's fine if you got the money.

[Anonymous No.1824476]

>>1824125
You can self-teach brazing but copy the way the pros train including setting up a practice area and practicing on clean metal of the type you will work with. A cool thing about brazing is you can melt off the old braze then clean your practice parts to braze again.

Don't buy cheap generic offshore gas welding equipment. (I don't even resell it and scrap it instead when it turns up in auction lots. I collect and rebuild OA gear.) Do study welding forums like Weldingweb which is an excellent OA resource. tinmantech's website has lots of good torch info too. Quality US made regulators are a lifetime tool and can be rebuilt (via local welding supply or online rebuilders).

OA is highly versatile and well worth knowing. Different brazers/weldors have different lens or shield color and shade preferences so try a variety. It's cheap enough and important so you can see the puddle.

Post your question here and explain you're a noob starting from scratch. It's a friendly community.

https://weldingweb.com/vbb/forumdisplay.php?2-MIG-TIG-Stick-And-Oxy-Fuel-Welding

I have all major brands of OA gear (Victor, Smith, ESAB, Concoa, Airco, Harris, Purox/Oxweld and relatives) and would not hesitate to buy a used outfit via Craigslist but study Weldingweb first. Cylinders are filled by exchange so know what you can swap when buying used cylinders. Never lease as a hobbyist. You can also buy new cylinders, but they get swapped out so get the best price you can.

You will develop preferences for specific torches because ergonomics are personal, but thanks to Ebay it's easy and cheap to own a variety.

Now go read and all you seek to know will be answered.

[Anonymous No.1824806]

I didn't read all this shit but the welding teacher at my community college class offered me a job during the class. It's nice to talk to people in person some time and the class was cheap. It's nice to have someone telling you that you are fucking up

[Anonymous No.1824853]

Is this a good machine to start with? mostly to thinker around

https://jasictech.com/Products/Productlist/welding-Cutting-quipment/MMA/493

[Anonymous No.1825281]

>>1824853
I have one very much like that they work very well HOWEVER:
Before you use it open it up and verify that components and wires that should not be touching (are not touching).
Do some wire management, the heat sinks in them are very sharp on the edges and the wires tend to be run any which way.
I replaced the welding wire that came with them. It is very short like 3 or 4 feet of 6 awg. I ordered some 2 AWG in 7ft lengths.
I also got an extended no questions asked warranty. But if they don't die within the first week or 2 of use then they will probably last a long time as the components in them are actually quite good.

Even though they say that they will work on 115 volts they can only go up to about 90 amp and have a reduced duty cycle.

[Anonymous No.1825304]

>>1825281
I also put a real clamp on the ground the one they come with is a jumper cable clamp.

[Anonymous No.1826263]

>>1823729
Thank you for the info. Now I need to find local metal yards and make friends. I'm trying to poorfag this to start. My goal is to be able to "farm weld" shit around the house. Probably get as advanced as automotive welding.

Luckily my vision has improved as I've aged. Somehow. Hopefully I dont ruin it again with welding. My pro welder friend is basically night blind now, not sure if it's related.

[Anonymous No.1826278]

I'm not interested in learning how to weld from 4chan but I am interested in learning how NOT to weld.
What are some good tips on not killing yourself, burning your hacienda down, losing an eye, etc. I find that information more useful when starting out.

[Anonymous No.1826374]

>>1822167
I've bought this piece of equipment for 120 euro last year. Once I welded 6kg of 4mm rod with it and some 3.25 and nothing terrible happened
You should learn stick first

[Anonymous No.1826737]

>>1822269

[Anonymous No.1826933]

>>1822725
T. Gook

[Anonymous No.1827296]

>>1822167
It is terrible get the green one with gas don’t use that Shitty flux core it doesn’t even output dc like it’s supposed to it’s AC THERES NO PROPER RECTIFICATION
Buy the big green one and rent a gas bottle from your local weld supply shop don’t buy the bottle it’s a scam
You can weld the piss out of anything with 220v going into the green ones they are excellent welders
BUT depending on what you are trying to do you may just wanna bite the bullet and get the AHP tig machine if you’re gonna do small stuff, and just do the big stuff with stick. Stick is smarter sometimes anyways, you can weld through rust safely with the correct rods
Bottom line the one you posted is cheap and somewhat dangerous, and will not work worth a damn without a lot of headache, but there are other options around for not much more money that will last you way longer and allow you to actually weld

[Anonymous No.1827563]

hello is a hobart 180 a good welder and should i use flux core or get a tank?