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Where does Craftsman fit on the list?

I use Craftsman exclusively when possible because of the lifetime warranty.

I work in a factory. One time a wrench fell through an industrial rubber mill that makes 600 tonnes of rubber a day. It got flattened out like a pancake. I took it in to see if they'd exchange it. They did.

>>9843
Now that's customer service.

>>9839
Only tool of theirs I have used was an air compressor, it was pretty good.

Makita is almost god tier, their impact wrench has way better features than the dewalt

>>9843
Yeah, Craftsman handtools have the worlds finest warranty.
You can take a 40 year old smashed wrench in and exchange it for a new one.

>>9843
Do you know if they still honor the warranty on re-sold items?

Because I bought a Craftsman power drill at a yard sale, and it recently stopped working.

>>9870
do you mean impact wrench or driver?

i have a dewalt impact and its awesome

>>9884
Power tools only have a one year warranty, the lifetime warranty is just regular tools

Update

>Festool tier
Festool

>God tier
Woodman, DeWalt

>High tier
Milwaukee, Triton, Craftsman, Makita

>Mid tier


>Low tier
Irwin

>Cheap Chinese shit tier
Black and Decker

>God tier: Dewalt (Black and fucking decker rebranded)
>Mid tier: Makita

Nope.jpg

No name Chinese tools are pretty mid tier, or at least better than B&D (ironic). I have had good experiences with them.

>>9827
>not mentioning Hitachi
>2011
>ishygddt

Dremel <3

>>9965
But hard drives aren't tools

>>9965
>brands you have used
No give them a tier ranking!

My AMD Power Saw works gfeat.

>>9979
>no
now

>>9973
hahaha i really lol'd just than

>2011
>not knowing hitachi also makes mid tier tools

>>9987
Their bulldozer is less that shit tier.

>>9987
>Not getting intel dremel instead

lol poorfag

>>9979
>>9991
done id say mid tier at the lowest possibly high

>>10000

>no snan on

>>10014
Better than NVIDIA. Cheap Chinese shit.

>Festool tier
Festool

>God tier
Woodman

>High tier
Milwaukee, Triton, Craftsman, Makita

>Mid tier
Hitachi

>Low tier
Irwin, DeWalt

>Cheap Chinese shit tier
Black and Decker

Used to work for the company that supplies Ryobi, Milwaukee and RIDGID tools.

Just so you know, Makita and Dewalt are the same company as well.

RIDGID is good shit cause it has a lifetime warranty on almost all tools

No Porter Cable?

No Porter Cable?

Also

God Tier:
Old school Craftsman

>>10046

>Makita and Dewalt are the same company

Nope

>>10039
Why no
Mid Tier
Mikita, Hitachi

>>9827
you do realize Black and Decker owns and makes Dewalt?

>>9843
powertools only get 1 year warranty

>>9870
god tier indeed


>>10046
Makita and Dewalt are nto the same, two seperate companies buddy

Ryobi and Milwaukee are all owned by TTI and also produces Craftsmen

also Bosch is god tier, Ryobi is actually pretty good = mid tier

>>10070
a. it is makita
b. they are god tier

>>10049
>>10058
I've used Porter Cable's nail guns. Very well made.

>>9888
Nice trips
Driver actually, my bad
Why can't dewalt put a belt hook on more of their tools

I've had good experiences with Irwin tool bits and such. not the tools themselves but still I wouldnt consider low tier

No low tier?

>Festool tier
Festool

>God tier
Woodman, Old school Craftsman, Bosch

>High tier
Milwaukee, Triton, Craftsman, Makita, Porter-Cable

>Mid tier
Hitachi, Irwin, Ryobi

>Low tier


>Cheap Chinese shit tier
Black and Decker, DeWalt

>>10113
Irwin tool bits are great, I made them low because of a shitty experience I had with a circular saw.

>>10082
With the designers Bosch has it should be expected.

We should start working on a tool tier guide.

used some ryobi tools in the past, they were pretty good considering how much abuse they took, id say mid tier overall for them though

bosch makes god tier tools

delta makes pretty good tools too from my experience, at least high tier.

y u no liek Chicago Electric?

>>10189
Im down

PorterCable FTW faggots

>>10189
As in individual tools?

No ridgid? easy high tier

>>10202
>>10213
Okay, know how /g/ has a computer building guide and how /fit/ has a fitness guide? Something in that style.

>>10214
rigid is low to mid tier

>>10189
Not individual tools that would make the list huge and cluttered.
Keep list as is but if you have had bad experience it should be added
>>10175
like he had bad experience with a saw but their other tools are good etc,

>no grizzly. >no Snap-On

though they dont make much in the way of power tools, mac, matco and snap on all make pretty nice cordless stuff.

and they all have top quality air tools.

Still no low tier...

>Festool tier
Festool

>God tier
Woodman, Old school Craftsman, Bosch, Makita

>High tier
Milwaukee, Triton, Craftsman, Porter-Cable

>Mid tier
Hitachi, Irwin, Ryobi, Ridgid

>Low tier


>Cheap Chinese shit tier
Black and Decker, DeWalt

>>10283
>>10200
I need tiers people.

>>10298
Mid tier?

>>10308
make dewalt low tier
i dont give a fuck who makes the tools. they are reliable as dewalt brand

>>10330

from a quality standpoint on just the power tools? high tier

if you included everything from hand tools to air tools and all their specialty equipment they sell though they would be god tier.

>>10357
Just power tools, we will probably make hand tool guides, etc, later.

>>10283
This *1000.
Seems there are no machinists or mechanics in the house.

high tier - paslode

craftsman warranty is omnipotent tier

>Festool tier
Festool

>God tier
Woodman, Old school Craftsman, Bosch, Makita

>High tier
Milwaukee, Triton, Craftsman (dat warranty), Porter-Cable, Mac, Matco, Snap On, Paslode

>Mid tier
Hitachi, Irwin, Ryobi, Ridgid

>Low tier
DeWalt

>Cheap Chinese shit tier
Black and Decker

>>10330
Dewalt is high tier regardless of the parent companies name. The tools themselves are tanks.

Makita saws are high tier but the rest of the line drops it down to good tier.

Snap-on, FUCKING GOD TIER MAN.

>>10433
Snap-On is god tier.

No Hilti mentioned yet?
Their cordless drills and hammer drills are God tier.

>>10283
I've got a grizzly belt grinder, and I love it to death. It's a cheaper model (the one they market as being specifically for knife making,) but it's still great. I'd really like to be able to make it variable speed, though.

So I propose we make separate power and hand tools lists.

>>10516
Probably best since Craftsman's warranty doesn't cover power tools and such makes them only good to meh teir.

Anyone here use Hyundai air compressors or generators?

>>10516
klein hand tools ftw

>Festool tier
Festool

>God tier
Woodman, Old school Craftsman, Bosch, Makita,Snap-on, Grizzly

>High tier
Milwaukee, Triton, Craftsman (dat warranty), Porter-Cable, Mac, Matco, Paslode

>Mid tier
Hitachi, Irwin, Ryobi, Ridgid

>Low tier
DeWalt

>Cheap Chinese shit tier
Black and Decker all harbor freight brands

>>10562
this

>>10567
>Craftsman (dat warranty)
um 1 year for power tools I thought hand tools were a separate list

Last chances, I'm starting to make the info graphic.

>Festool tier
Festool

>God tier
Woodman, Old school Craftsman, Bosch, Makita, Snap On, Hilti, Grizzly


>High tier
Milwaukee, Triton, Craftsman, Porter-Cable, Mac, Matco, Paslode

>Mid tier
Hitachi, Irwin, Ryobi, Ridgid

>Low tier
DeWalt

>Cheap Chinese shit tier
Black and Decker

>>10580
craftsman Milwaukee and ryobi are all made by same company and ryobi craftsmen are almost identical make them the same level

>>10516
I think it should also be tool specific. For example: Milwaukee Sawzall/reciprocating saw is God tier, literally the standard by which all others are judged, but on the occasions I've used their cordless drills or circular saws I've found them to be heavy, poorly balanced, and awkward to use. I've been a Carpenter for 30+ years and I've never seen ANYONE on a job site that had tools that were all the same brand. Some companies are better at some tools than others.

>no hilti

>>10580
If it's power tools only I say we drop craftsman to mid. The reason the hand tools are god is the warranty, which doesn't apply to power tools and makes them just a solid house brand

>>10590
/diy/ is young, this will do for now.

>>10590

that would take a while to make

Searsfag here to clear up some confusion, Craftsman warranty is lifetime for hand tools (except for torque wrenches and a few other specialty tools), one year for power tools (I think some may be two years but most are one), and "lifetime with receipt" for the Evolv shit.

>>10614
Yeah. I didn't mean TONIGHT.

interedasting, never heard of Festool before

>>10589
The Bugatti Veyron and the VW bug are made by the same company doesn't mean they use the same materials,processes, or standards

God Tier - EZ Way, Hummel, Galaxy
Mid Tier - KUNZLE & TASIN
Meh Tier - Clarke
I've installed entire gym floors with chinese air compressors, staple guns and nailers, and saws.

>>10632
You don't know the meaning of life until you have used their tools.
>dat domino joiner
>dat circular saw tracking system
>dat dust extraction power
>dat compound saw ease of use
>dat build quality
They cost enough so you should expect them to be the best.

>>10590
this is true but for cordless power tools most people especially DIY get one type as they all use the same battery

as far as hand tools
screwdrivers - klein
pliers - klein and chanellock (some really small pliers I have for more computer usage are craftsmen)
Hammers - I have a good antivibe Stanley I like a lot of carpenters like Estwing and Douglas
Tapes - Stanley
Tool Storage (chests) - Craftsmen

>>10642
look at the ryobi and craftsmen impact driver - identical like a dodge/plymouth

>>10623
You work at Sears, how do you like it I am guaranteed a job as Merch there on the tools/appliances/electronics floor

I bought an 18 volt Dewalt cordless drill and one of the batteries died a week later (after I'd lost the reciept).

It was replacing a 3 year old Dewalt with batteries that didn't hold a charge or wore out too quickly.

So I bought a Makita. And it works awesomely. Don't be putting Makita below Dewalt.

>>10632
VERY pricey, but very well made. Should add that some of Festools stuff MUST be used with dust collector/ vacuum attached or they will clog immediately. That includes the domino joiner in OP's pic.

>>10677
Craftsman*

>>9827
I use Ryobi at work because it's cheap and pretty easy. Even if things break it's cheap enough to replace easily. And pretty highly portable, which is generally good.

>>10677

It's not bad if you're a good salesman. Anything in electronics, tools, appliances, lawn and garden or fitness is either commission or base + commission so if you're good at selling you will make a lot of money, especially during the busy season. The downside is that there is a lot of stress to sell things like extended warranties or get people to sign up for credit cards, but if you can deal with that then it's not a bad job.

Why is Black and Decker bad? They're the most popular powertools around here.

>>10719
thats not bad, my old manager got a job there and wants me to come over, what do they usually pay you, casue I make a lot and am actually over the cap of my position now at my retail store

>>10734
Where is "here"?

>>10677

>Tool Storage (chests) - Craftsmen

gonna have to that matco makes the best tool chests on the planet, but you pay a hefty fee to play with the big boy boxes, i think my box was about $4000.

snap on makes really good chests too but they are way more expensive without being noticeably better in quality, you are just paying extra for the name.

pic semi related, a dump truck parked on snap on tool chests because why the fuck not

>>10739

depends on your department, how busy you are, etc. If you're good you could average out to about $15/hr in tools/lawn and garden. Appliances usually makes more. Not too sure about electronics, but it's probably similar to tools/L&G.

>makita not in god tier
stop reading there

>>10809
>pretends to
Know shit about shit

>just calls a Tri-Axle a dump
Truck

>>10815
It probably depends on where in the country also.
$15/hr may sound good in Oklahoma where the cost of living is low, but in New Jersey unemployment pays $15/hr.

No Draper mentions?

>>10853

hurr. whatever

ive had craftsman tool boxes, they were garbage compared to my matco box, and i looked at lots of boxes before deciding to go with my matco one, it was definitely the superior choice.

>>10853

>implying there arent tri-axle dump trucks

>>10956
FYI, Danaher, maker of Matco also makes Lowe's Kobalt tools. Same factories, same lines, same warranties on hand tools. Save yourself some money.

>>10853
>Tri-Axle
It's a Tandem dump NOT a Tri-Axle
Learn what you're talking about before you criticize someone else.

>>10853
THIS is a Tri-axle.

Milwaukee is good stuff, sold a shitton of products today.
DeWalt is eh, see a lot of returns.

>>9843
I would have fucking kept that thing! did you take any pics?

>>11044

>>11018

>Same factories, same lines

source on this

ive had both and i can say that the matco tools are much better quality and much more comfortable, so they cant be the same tool with a different name stamped on.

Do welders count?

Millers are great.

Lincoln Electric is pretty good as well.

DeWalt, Black and Decker, Porter Cable and Delta are all the same company.

Craftsman power tools are rebranded from other manufacturers...

You might also choose at some point to include Jet in toward the high end...

Don't forget adding Delta to low or mid tier. Not nearly as bad as B&D but I'd prefer many brands to 'em, other than circular saws. Delta has God-Tier circular saws. One has lasted me 5 years.

While we're comparing brands here, what's a good brand for shop vacs that isn't too terribly expensive? I'm currently using a "cheap chinese shit tier" Rigid vac that does about as much good as a kitchen vacuum.

>>11080
Different anon. Kobalt tools have been made by a few different people over the years. At one point, they came off the same lines as Snapon.

Kobalt *hand* tools (excepting their ratchet wrenches) are seriously top-notch equipment. But their power tools, and their socket handles leave something to be desired.

>>11119
Delta's big shop equipment is fairly good, actually.

And "Shop Vac" brand? Unless you're looking for a really high end vacuum setup, don't waste your money on something that isn't ultimately desposable.

>look through thread
>no cornwell tools

WELL FUCK YOU GUYS TOO

>>9827
>add brands you have used or change brands you have a different opinions on by one tier.
No, it'll become a brand war shitfest. Do that AND name specific tools that you actually own or use regularly from that brand that you like or didn't like and why.

>DeWalt - God tier
WUT

DeWalt is more like hit or miss tier. They have some good stuff, but be willing to spend for it. Their lower line of tools suck. I feel the same way about JET - I have seen some decent stuff by them, and I've come across some crap (even in the same or very similar models).

I'd rate Makita same as Milwaukee and possibly over DeWalt.

Also,
>not mentioning Bosch


I should probably be more specific on what tools I actually own that I like and my DeWalt complaints.

Grinders:
I have a DeWalt 6 inch bench grinder and that thing has always vibrated quite a bit to one of the JET ones (though both are crap compared to this old ass 1960's one I used a while back). I also used someone else's newish DeWalt 4.5" angle grinder, and it was crap (although this was the mini 4.5, not the full).

My basis for comparison was my Bosh 4.5" (I think a Model 1810PS), which is a fucking champ.

That said, for DeWalt I have one of their circular saws and a router, and I love them both. The only other circular saw I'd used before that was a Skill one (which was crap), and I'd used some's Porter-Cable, but I wasn't impressed by it. It worked well, but for the price and size, it wasn't very powerful and didn't come with a 1/2" collet.

>>11080
Matco tools are manufactured in China.
Kobalt tools are made in USA.
Google is your friend.

Holy fuck, that took a long time, sorry if it isn't up to date with your posts.

The most overrated brand of tools I've used has to be DeWalt. They're good, sure, but they don't make building things completely automatic like some people make them out to do.

The most underrated brand of tools I've ever used are Hitachi. Seriously never had one of them every give me any trouble in use, they've all worked like champs. Drills, circular saws, compressors, compound miter saws, even an impact driver.

Whatever tier Bosch is on, Skil is one below it. To be precise, Skil is made in the Bosch factory, but uses the stuff that just failed Bosch QA. The same devices with different branding.

>>11156
I mentioned tools I have used and ranked them based on my experience, my experience isn't the only important one so I made it democratic.

so how about someone that actually knows about real tools comments. not just hardware store shitty tools. not a single person has mentioned ingersoll rand for impact wrenches, chigago pneumatics, porter cables should be above all the other carpentry tools. matco, snap-on, mac tool, proto, all these brands are so far above anything the likes of craftsman can offer its laughable at best. craftsman is for garage tool sets for the average mans household needs who also wants the lifetime warranty. lincoln electrics are the better welders hands down. and as far as boxes go id have to say macs have the best with matco and snap on following. and as far as the triaxle vs dump truck deal its technical name is a vocational truck also known as a gravel train.

>>11194
I agree. The only people I've ever seen that liked DeWalt were also NASCAR fans. Does DeWalt sponsor a popular driver or something?

>>11189

>Matco tools are manufactured in China

not all of them apparently

>>11268
this is DIY not professional carpenters forum

as such most people will not know about ultra high end brands (for a DIY) nor will they need them. Like festool was mentioned but no one here needs a festool

>>11270
>does a power tool company support a nascar driver

Is the sky blue?

I'm a DeWalt man myself.

>>11268
You're largely talking about pneumatic tools and welders, first of all, which yes, are tools, but not tools which all people use.

Secondly, there are way better woodworking tools than Porter Cable. Porter Cable has gone down the shitter lately, ever since it was acquired by Black and Decker.

Also, snap-on, etc, have been mentioned in this thread.

Bahco.

>>11290
Sorry.
I use power tools 8 hours a day, 5 or 6 days a week for 30 years. Thought my opinion might have some value. Go waste your money on shit tools. No skin off my back.

>>11356
sorry I don't have $400 to drop on just getting a drill (festool) when I can get a good 4 pc makita set for $300 - $350 which will more then meet my needs and the needs of any homeowner/DIY'er

I will not be using it 8 hours a day/ 5 days a week

>>11298
that may be the case but im just sayin that they should be considered in no way close to "god tier" status. craftsman is shit to me

>>11317
i just mentioned a few air tool brands because they were mentioned. all the other brands i was talking about their hand tools and electrics as well. they are all made much better than other brands listed. i have not made a porter cable purchase lately but back in the day they were the best circular saws you could buy

>>11189
matco tools are all made in the usa with a few specific tools made in china and other countries, for example the new ADV sockets are made in china and are offered as a cheaper alternative that still have the matco name. knowing what youre talking about is your friend

>>11388
Not a problem. Just try not to talk down on everyone else like you're some sort of absolute authority. There will always be someone who knows more than you.

>>9827
On top of Festool should be Metabo

work radio tier: Milwaukee.

This isn't really negotiable.

>>11386
then dont try labeling it "god tier"

>so few Hilti
No real tradesmen ITT...

Whar goes Stanley?

>>11433
For a DIYer they are god tier.

>>11514
That's how I felt when I saw no Metabo

>>10596
>>11514

hilti hard to justify the price. nice tools but they are like japanese women, they cant take a pounding

Agreed. Metabo is absolute god tier. Have been beating the shit out of a Metabo angle grinder for years, it runs like new every time.
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