/diy/ - Do It Yourself

>>892727
how old are you and from what country

is that some polymorph

or whatever equivalent?

its totally safe ..

a rough pic of the fit, they are secure as my previous ones, though not using the real things.

one thing to remember, if you eat a hot slice of pizza or just anything hot, over the 120 mark, lol they will deform and melt.

this is temporary till i can find a cheap mexican dentist, but to go out into public was a godsend.

im from east texas, 42

>>892731
at what age did your teeth start to fall out

>>892731
Should have stayed away from the drugs man.

Nice job OP, it should be fine for a little bit but there is a reason dentists use the materials they do. Don't expect it to last/remain comfortable.

>>892750
I would use those to cast a mold to make a sturdier partial.

Shit like this is so cool, like that guy who did his own corrective braces or whatever.

Sure in OP's case this is pretty goddamn temporary, but if it were me I might have just been tempted to make myself scarce until I could afford to replace them with good material. Way to go, OP. I'd appreciate a closer look at the new portions you molded, if you don't mind. I like to keep my own sorta record of the totally cool shit /diy/ does. It's grown quite large, but you'll be a great addition!

Ignore the haters. Whatever reason you lost them. I'm only 25 and have lots of white hair coming in, and I wouldn't be surprised to lose a few teeth by your age (not from lack of hygiene, but from lack of money for professional correction).

>>892727
>diy dentistry
How about diy dental hygiene?
I perform my own cleanings with a mirror, large safety pin, and 70% rubbing alcohol. I've become quite adept and I also starting to do my siblings' cleanings too. Here's what I've learned so far:

1. Practice with toothpicks first. Wood is softer and more forgiving than steel.
2. Collect your tools first, then wash your hands thoroughly before you begin.
3. Scrape side-to-side, not up-and-down, so that if you slip you don't stab your gums.
4. Rinse your pick with hot water after each individual scrape to get the plaque off it, and dip it once in alcohol after each tooth to kill germs.
5. Do not pick too frequently. I'd say once every other week is diligent, but excessive. Try to wait 3-4 weeks between cleanings.
6. Brush and floss after picking. It's also acceptable to rinse with salt water, but not necessary.
7. If you clean someone else's teeth, be sure to use nitrile gloves (some people are allergic to latex), a paper mask, and clear safety goggles. Wash face and hands after each cleaning.

There's no feeling quite like being able to feel each individual tooth by rubbing your toung against the backs!

Lastly, here's a few preventative tips:
>Avoid sugars when applicable
>Brush AT LEAST once per day, preferably before bed so that bacteria doesn't rot your teeth while you sleep.
>Swish-rinse with water after meals
>Avoid mouth wash unless you can't brush
>Brush first, then floss.
>Brush your gums, but do it GENTLY
>If you see pink in the sink, switch to a softer toothbrush
>Do not smoke, and if you do don't smoke out of any aluminum device
>Do not dip/chew tobacco
>See a dentist immediately at any sign of black marks on gums or teeth. It's also worth nothing that exposed nerves can be temporarily treated with wax or sugar-free gum

>>892727
>diy dentistry
How about diy dental hygiene?
I perform my own cleanings with a mirror, large safety pin, and 70% rubbing alcohol. I've become quite adept and I also started to do my siblings' cleanings too. Here's what I've learned so far:

1. Practice with toothpicks first. Wood is softer and more forgiving than steel.
2. Collect your tools first, then wash your hands thoroughly before you begin.
3. Scrape side-to-side, not up-and-down, so that if you slip you don't stab your gums.
4. Rinse your pick with hot water after each individual scrape to get the plaque off it, and dip it once in alcohol after each tooth to kill germs.
5. Do not pick too frequently. I'd say once every other week is diligent, but excessive. Try to wait 3-4 weeks between cleanings.
6. Brush and floss after picking. It's also acceptable to rinse with salt water, but not necessary.
7. If you clean someone else's teeth, be sure to use nitrile gloves (some people are allergic to latex), a paper mask, and clear safety goggles. Wash face and hands after each cleaning.

There's no feeling quite like being able to feel each individual tooth by rubbing your toung against the backs!

Lastly, here's a few preventative tips:
>Avoid sugars when applicable
>Brush AT LEAST once per day, preferably before bed so that bacteria doesn't rot your teeth while you sleep.
>Swish-rinse with water after meals
>Avoid mouth wash unless you can't brush
>Brush first, then floss.
>Brush your gums, but do it GENTLY
>If you see pink in the sink, switch to a softer toothbrush
>Do not smoke, and if you do don't smoke out of any aluminum device
>Do not dip/chew tobacco
>See a dentist immediately at any sign of black marks on gums or teeth. It's also worth nothing that exposed nerves can be temporarily treated with wax or sugar-free gum

>>892727
>diy dentistry
How about diy dental hygiene?
I perform my own cleanings with a mirror, large safety pin, and 70% rubbing alcohol. I've become quite adept and I also started to do my siblings' cleanings too. Here's what I've learned so far:

1. Practice with toothpicks first. Wood is softer and more forgiving than steel.
2. Collect your tools first, then wash your hands thoroughly before you begin.
3. Scrape side-to-side, not up-and-down, so that if you slip you don't stab your gums.
4. Rinse your pick with hot water after each individual scrape to get the plaque off it, and dip it once in alcohol after each tooth to kill germs.
5. Do not pick too frequently. I'd say once every other week is diligent, but excessive. Try to wait 3-4 weeks between cleanings.
6. Brush and floss after picking. It's also acceptable to rinse with salt water, but not necessary.
7. If you clean someone else's teeth, be sure to use nitrile gloves (some people are allergic to latex), a paper mask, and clear safety goggles. Wash face and hands after each cleaning.

There's no feeling quite like being able to feel each individual tooth by rubbing your toung against the backs!

Lastly, here's a few preventative tips:
>Avoid sugars when applicable
>Brush AT LEAST once per day, preferably before bed so that bacteria doesn't rot your teeth while you sleep
>Swish-rinse with water after meals
>Avoid mouth wash unless you can't brush
>Brush first, then floss
>Brush your gums, but do it GENTLY
>If you see pink in the sink, switch to a softer toothbrush
>Do not smoke, and if you do don't smoke out of any aluminum device
>Do not dip/chew tobacco
>See a dentist immediately at any sign of black marks on gums or teeth. It's also worth noting that exposed nerves can be temporarily treated with wax or sugar-free gum

>>892738
when i was 35 my bone structure started to fail so teeth were just getting loose. i had a great smile, but doc said i was shit out of luck, so had a full upper done and this lower partial.
>>892742
no drugs, just smoked a lil weed, never the meth that we all know what does to teeth.
>>892750
>>892762
yeah i know they use acrylic, and you can actually buy a box of teeth online i think. i could feasibly make an impression with this partial, it fits that well, then cast an acrylic mold and insert the real teeth in it. im not above that, i have the /diy/ soul after all.

>>892835
thx man, i too am impressed by alot i see here, and glad i can contribute myself time to time. i went bald at 21. on the physical body genetic lottery i didnt do all so great, but i was blessed in the brain dept. thx mom and dad for doing coke before i was born ;)
the tools i used to make em were a belt sander, a dremel, and a pot of hot water and a small micro jet lighter to heat up to form them. the tongue is amazing at making the surface smooth while you sculpt em.

>>892727
damn
where did you get the cast from/ the shape?
this is cool.

>>893176
the plastic melts to a malleable mass, so i did it with my fingers, over and over, until it became what it needed to be close to. in the end i used power tools to remove unwanted mass, then used heat to smooth again with my fingers.

was a pretty uplifting experience to be honest, had some good tunes on at the time. gotta trust in yourself and just say 'yes i can do this' and dont look back

>>892977
That's fuckin awesome, man. Is that the finished product? I'm not very familiar with how dentures work. I mean, I know what they're for, but I don't really know how they stay in place or what constraints (besides the obvious) they're under.

>>892880
> needing to scrape your teeth clean every few weeks.

Soooo you're not familiar with pic related then? I haven't had plaque buildup since I was in my teens..

>>893926
> forgetting pic related

>>893926
>>893927
Ur funny

>>893281
Dude, thanks for sharing, I'm inspired. Rock your dentures with pride.

>>892880
>>893926
>>894241
Dude, just get a sonicare.

I see the dentist every six months (because I live in a country with a working healthcare system), and every six months she gives my teeth a 0/0/0/0/0/0.

No fucking about with scrapers and other weird shit, I just brush my teeth.

inb4 your teeth are snowflakes: not at all. I've had all kinds of work done since I treated them like shit in college.

>>894271
>i do not see the hygienist when i go to the dentist
>working healthcare system
You keep on truckin' there anon.

>>894277
Don't need to: the dentists here do triage.

They send the people with shit hygiene off to the hygienist, and people with perfect hygiene off with a lollypop.

>>892835
>like the guy who did his own corrective braces

you mean the moron who made his own invisalign? i'm on invisalign right now and they're really precisely engineered and designed in such a way to safely move your teeth. he got 99% of the way there but the last 1% will do him in. i love /diy/ing but dental appliances are not something you want to do yourself

>3d printing plastic
so abs, most likely? enjoy your leeching toxins

>>894301
>you mean the moron who made his own invisalign? i'm on invisalign right now and they're really precisely engineered and designed in such a way to safely move your teeth. he got 99% of the way there but the last 1% will do him in. i love /diy/ing but dental appliances are not something you want to do yourself
someone jelly and/or a dentist/ortho shill

>>892731

*sigh* I just broke my retainer because the temporary crown is larger than the tooth used to be. My teeth go seriously crooked in about 5 days without a retainer, so I either need some real ortho real soon, or I need to make one like OP in a day.

>>894349
You don't need to be any of those to think he was a moron. So, did he actually succeed?

>>894500
As far as we know, yes.

>>892880
Why no mouthwash?

>>894637
I didn't say NO mouthwash, I said to only use it if you can't brush. Mouthwash by itself doesn't remove dead bacteria like brushing and flossing does. If you're not sure what I mean, use only mouth wash for 2 days, take note of the color of your gums, brush, then take note again.

You're welcome.

Also, don't use peroxide or peroxide based products. Same reasons as above, plus prolonged use is actually bad for your teeth and gums regardless of it not removing dead bacteria.

>>894301
>abs
http://www.stratasys.com/materials/polyjet/bio-compatible

>>894301
What was the 1% he was missing? I am trying to replicate his project and now you have me nervous...

>>894301
>>895247
He was missing a load of FUD.

Read the archives, his plan was sound enough, lacking though it was the certification of an industry that acts as if it were medicine whereas really it's just a secret cosmetics club with the FDA acting as a bouncer.

>>895247

Honestly, I never saw anybody give him any actual criticism other than "you shouldn't do this because you're not a dentist". Nobody actually pointed out any problems, and I personally couldn't think of any reason it was doomed to failure.

I was skeptical the first time I saw the thread, of course, but he had the necessary tools and bothered to look up how he was supposed to do it. He had it pretty well covered. There's no reason here to assume he shouldn't succeed.

>>895247
>>895254
Exactly what I was thinking - so is >>894301 just trolling/shilling?

>>895246
>http://www.stratasys.com/materials/polyjet/bio-compatible

cant actually buy it

>>895254
you realize that there's actually engineers and specially designed CAD programs JUST for making sure your invisalign doesnt fuck your shit up?

the way braces work:
>shifts your teeth
>bone and gum grow behind it

guess what happens when you don't align them right? fugged up teeth thats what ;-D

retainers need to move the teeth in the right direction, at the proper angle, with the correct amount of force. also, invisialign can't move teeth in every direction. my teeth have around 12 little bumps of epoxy for them to hook into.

i wear invisialign every fucking day, the engineering that went into them is exceptional. you're a moron if you think some neckbeard can recreate thousands of hours of work in a few weeks in his basement. like I said before: it's in the details

and lets not forget that anon hasn't posted since then. so easy to defend his work when he hasn't even posted results, probably since he's busy getting his mouth unfucked

>>895264
...so what was the 1% he was missing?

>>895258
>nobody pointed out actual problems

other than the fact he was just guessing how his teeth would move in response to the retainers

>>895265
>retainers need to move the teeth in the right direction, at the proper angle, with the correct amount of force
>he was just guessing how his teeth would move in response to the retainers

Go make them yourselves, I don't mind ;^)

>>895267
But like >>895258 said,
>he had the necessary tools and bothered to look up how he was supposed to do it. He had it pretty well covered. There's no reason here to assume he shouldn't succeed.
How do you know he didn't have the right direction, the proper angle, and the correct amount of force and was just guessing how his teeth would move in response to the retainers? What did he post that you're so sure he failed?

>>895272
>nah man CAD is for pussies, this bridge will totally hold 1000 cars ;^) i bothered to look it up!
>lol bro hop in this rocket, we have it all fueled up! it even has a nosecone! we didn't actually do any calculations but it looks right lol ;^)

how do you know he did have the right calculations? can you even list an equation which demonstrates the force invisialign imparts on a tooth? no, you can't. and neither could he. the burden of proof is on you dude :^)

>>895275
>burden of proof
I'm not arguing - I was legitimately asking what he posted that gives you this insight before I fuck up my own teeth.

But while you're at it,
>nah man CAD is for pussies, this bridge will totally hold 1000 cars ;^) i bothered to look it up!
>lol bro hop in this rocket, we have it all fueled up! it even has a nosecone! we didn't actually do any calculations but it looks right lol ;^)
The invisalign anon posted screenshots of his CAD program and how the braces were supposed to move his tooth ~.05mm per set. Did you even READ his threads you fucking child?

Nice straw man, tho, faggot shill. Fuck you and you're know-it-all attitude.

>>895279
>Did you even READ his threads you fucking child?

Whoa man chill out ;^) he was using a generic CAD program, not THE CAD program used to align teeth. He was _LITERALLY_ applying 0.15-0.3mm in the direction he though his tooth was going to move. you can't just fucking move a tooth anywhere. you first need to make space for the tooth to move, and then actually move it. which requires moving other teeth, and moving that tooth moves another, and so on. and some teeth must not move while others are moving. and you can't just move any tooth at any time. some teeth need to be moved only at certain positions above the jawbone. and what about the stability of the other teeth? you still have to eat when you're undergoing treatment. eating imparts a lot of force on your teeth.


invisalign doesn't just control the forces, it controls the timing of forces. fucking educate yourself

>>895289

going to bury this DIY invisalign meme once and for all

>>895290
man, hope he got some of this stuff ;^) would be a shame if his invisalign deformed under their own strength!

>>895293
interproximal interferences? whats that?

>>895275

You didn't read through the original thread, did you?

Of course he had a CAD package. How the fuck would you even think someone could begin to attempt this without some sort of 3D digitizing setup and model manipulation program? He also explained how each tooth had to move around a specific point and what rates were typical to do this at.

As with everyone else who was around, the best you can come up with "no you don't know what you're doing", despite the fact that you clearly have much less of an idea of what's involved. And I'm out; I can only take being patronized by an idiot for so long.

>>895297
...technical difficulty? he had the TOOLS and looked it up!

>>895297
biomechanics? theraputic occlusions? lol 4chan said it was cool!

>>895289

And yet despite the fucking fact that you managed to find this out with almost _no_ effort and a Google search, the guy reading through research papers did not?

The cognitive dissonance is real, folks.

>>895299
>clearly have less of an idea of what's involved

I wear them and speak to an orthodontist on a regular basis about them. I'm already miles ahead of you kiddo :-&)

>>895304
>figured this out

figured what out? please, describe the force (in newtons ;^)) around the root. it's a diagram bruv

>>895307

Just going to pop in to point out that torque force is newton-meters, not newtons.

Also that the force on a tooth will be essentially incalculable due to the variable elasticity of the structure compounded with the fact that the entire idea is to move the tooth, meaning that applied force changes as the retainer takes effect.

>>895264
You sound like a faggot. Who are you to tell someone an idea won't work? hell, OPs shit looks pretty good for some basement hillbilly dentistry.

>>895351
all ideas are perfect and we're all special snowflakes :-)

well after a week the partials are still tight and i can even eat with them. im happy with the results.

i appreciate the banter going on in the thread, but to me, just doing it, and adjusting, and recalculating, is much better than citing.

one of my hillbilly mottos, "nothing to it but to do it".

this is /diy/. less talk, more walk.

pic is remodel of a bathroom i just did. i tear out old tubs and make walk in showers for better accessibility. the door got installed after this pic.

>>895264
Before Jesus blessed the world with Invisalign™, orthodontia worked just fine with metal plates, glue, and rubber bands.

There was no CAD in the '80s, no "12 little bumps of epoxy", and the "calculations" were done by some guy looking at your teeth and going "yup, I think I'll stick a rubber band on this one".

And yet, despite this barbarism, everything worked just fine. There was no plague of people's teeth falling out, no wave of orthodontic practices being razed and orthodontists crucified in the town square.

We can reasonably conclude, therefore, that there's not a lot that "applying small forces" can do to fuck up an organ that's had the benefit of a half a billion years of evolution.

>>895315
You're the first person to mention torque, and technically the periodontal ligaments are a spring attached to a lever, so will experience tension, not torque.

>>895302
>interproximal interferences? whats that?
It's a fancy term for "teeth in the same gum bumping into each other". If you'd done Anatomy, Medicine, Biology, or Latin in school, you'd know this without even having to look it up.

"Occlusal" interferences are the same, but for when the teeth "occlude", which is a fancy term for "bite together".

>>895302
>theraputic occlusions? lol 4chan said it was cool!
You'd only get therapeutic occlusion_s_ if you had two mouths. Therapeutic occlusion is the end-goal of orthodontia: having a nice bite.

Also "therapeutic" has an "eu" in it.

Of course, you already knew this and were just pretending to be a retard.

>>895577
settle down friend. this is the before pic.

>>892731
That looks very passable. Good job, anon.

>>895573

The diagram in the linked post (>>895289) makes plenty of mention of torque.

>>895568
Actually, invisalign is quicker and more accurate than metal braces. Metal braces are dumb and are only capable of applying constant force to a tooth, meaning that it's hard to position them correctly. You cannot small, achieve precise movements with metal.

>There was no CAD in the 80s
lol

>the "calculations" were done by some guy looking at your teeth and going "yup, I think I'll stick a rubber band on this one".
bait ;^) thank god i went to an ortho who actually keeps up with current orthodontic technology


>man the horse and buggy worked just fine why do we need cars!

>>895568
You're wasting your time. This anon >>895264 knows everything. He even posted pictures - don't question him!

>>895732
Yeah you can. Teeth shift fractions of a milimeter per day.

Hell, for straightforward gap closing, you can just slip a rubber band over them every night til it goes away. No metal, no CAD, just some dumb force and a bit of vigilance.

>>892727
grandpa you're sus

>>892727
That opening sentence creates more questions than it explains

>>896094
he's still on the drunk tube

what about dental caries? is there a way to deal with them without going to the dentist?

>>896725
Nope.

You can pack them with IRM to relieve discomfort and get them into a better state for the dentist to look at, and you can use good hygiene and fluoride to stop the decay and harden them up, but even a dentist can't fill his own cavities.

Don't be scared of the dentist. They'll fix you right up, and they'll do it under anaesthetic so you won't feel any pain.

>>896740
what's IRM?

they are not on an advanced state (i think) and i can't pay the dentist right now, what's the worst thing that can happen if i just leave them be for a year or so? i'm looking for ways to kill the bacteria or remineralize the tooth on my own to at least gain some time

>>896752
The worst thing that can happen is that the pulp gets infected, the infection travels to your jaw, and you need to get your jaw amputated or you die.

But that's not very likely. A more realistic worst-case scenario is that you could get an infection inside the tooth, and it will need to be pulled or root-canalled, or a carie may grow large enough or awkward enough that the tooth becomes impractical to fill.

Nevertheless, if putting off the dentist for a year is non-negotiable, there's stuff you can do:

- IRM (Intermediate restorative material), also called ZOE (Zinc-Oxide/Eugenol). A blend of zinc oxide, clove oil. and some binding agents*. Pack the caries with it, and it'll help stop bacteria getting in, act as a local anaesthetic and physical barrier to make them less painful, and harden up the remaining enamel.

- Brush your teeth twice daily, ideally with an sonic toothbrush. The primary cause of tooth decay is acid made by bacteria from sugar. Brush off the biofilm the bacteria are living in, and you greatly decrease their numbers.

- Use a fluoridated toothpaste, ideally a bactericidal one like Colgate Total. Fluoride will help remineralise the enamel, and help prevent the damage progressing. Also Xylitol chewing gum.

- Eliminate sugars from your diet. You want to prioritise reducing the number of daily "sugar-events" over reducing the total amount of sugar, because the bacteria do much better when they get sugar little and often. If you drink tea/coffee with sugar in, stop putting sugar in. If you drink sugar-soda, switch to diet soda. If you snack, stop it; eat larger meals instead.

Finally, don't stress out. There's case studies of people in your exact situation**, and because they've kept their teeth healthy on the inside, it's meant the dentist can fix them all up so they look and work good-as-new.

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinc_oxide_eugenol
** http://doctorspiller.com/case_in_progress.htm (Warning: gross teeth pictures)