/diy/ - Do It Yourself

Yes and no. Often manufactures use the same grip and anvil across a line, but they all hve different uses

>>872495
where can i even buy a rivet gun? as i said they are all labeled as scrapers in store, the ones that look like the pic.

>>872497
>rivet gun
how many rivets are we talking here?
http://www.bunnings.com.au/kincrome-540mm-long-handle-riveting-gun_p5910193

they are different but i assume that you are talking pop rivets that work like a nailgun and not something like what an actual rivet gun is used for.

do you plan to forge your own rivets as well?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/transcoded/a/a7/Riveting_the_SS_JOHN_W_BROWN.webm/Riveting_the_SS_JOHN_W_BROWN.webm.480p.webm

>>872500
i was referring to the pic, did you not get the "pneumatic" part, i want to know as i will be working on aircraft.

>>872501
well it really depends on the process in use at the workplace. modern airplanes dont have rivets, they're sticky taped together or welded. but pop rivets can also be used, sticky tape is just better. perhaps you are trying to google "pneumatic pop rivet gun"?

>>872503
>modern airplanes dont have rivets,
> or welded
You fokin wot m8?
im going to ask the aviation guys on /n/.

>>872503
honestly im astonished but where the fuck did you hear that?!

>>872508
http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_EU/AerospaceSolutions/Home/Applications/StructuralBondingAircraftComponents/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rymss94J8r8
http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_EU/Industrial-Adhesives-Tapes/-/SolutionsFor/Aerospace/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f1uFXRZguI

pic related is "speed tape"

the engines need to be much more resistant to impacts so they are made of much thicker material than the rest of the plane.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=736O4Hz4Nk4

>>872493
>are air hammers(labeled as chiselers,scrapers) the same as pneumatic hammers(labeled as rivet guns)?
I am not an expert but this is what I am told:
1--air hammers use the same mechanisms as air chisels and needle scalers. these devices have a trigger that works either (100%) on or (0%) off. You cannot adjust it to hit with, say, 50% strike force.

2--true air rivet guns (for driving solid rivets, not blind/pop rivets) have a "feathering" trigger, that allows you to control how hard they hit by how far you pull the trigger. When you drive a rivet down, you start out hitting it hard, and then back off the power as it gets close to the length you want it.

3--air hammers cost $30-$100, and air riveters cost $250-$500 (as I have seen it, USA prices, and the only air riveters I have seen were sold online at aircraft places. I've never seen one in a walk-in tool/hardware store)

4--air riveters are usually the ONLY tool that usually have a feathering trigger, because they are the only tools that require it to work properly. There is no cheaper substitute that can do the same thing.

In an emergency setting you can try to use an air hammer to work solid rivets, but the results will be rather poor.

>>872545
>pic related is "speed tape"
Notice how he's covering all those rivets with the tape?

>>872568
notice how I said the engines are different from the rest of the plane. an aircraft technician will not even touch an engine in one.

>>872576
Just stop baiting.

We've all seen a plane, and we've all seen the thing on one that, if they're not rivets, are something painstakingly, yet pointlessly, disguised as such.

>>872585
>>872568
>>872508
>>872504
Because you faggots are obviously too basic to have heard of composite aircraft wings and components (as used by the A380; you may have heard of it), or understand the effect parasitic drag has on airframe performance, here's some info. Have pic related as well, a rivet less wing/mainspar assembly. Feel free to go google up some info on all the composite aircraft Cessna have been making since 2007 as well if you'd like.

http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/aviation-international-news/2007-12-06/piperjet-have-rivetless-wing
http://news.mit.edu/2015/carbon-nanotube-film-heats-composite-materials-0414
http://science.howstuffworks.com/transport/flight/modern/glider1.htm
> However, the rivets and seams required by aluminum skins produce additional drag, which tends to decrease performance. In many modern gliders, composite construction using materials such as fiberglass and carbon fiber are quickly replacing aluminum. Composite materials allow aircraft designers to create seamless and rivet-less structures with shapes that produce less drag.
> seamless and rivet-less structures with shapes that produce less drag.
> rivet-less

As to you >>872545 you gape-arsed faggot, if you are going to make an argument, do not post an image which contradicts what you are saying. The guy is doing a quick ramp repair to an aluminium built, riveted airframe. If you had posted a pic of the LS1's wing, or any other structure from a composite aircraft, then the cockbelches above would not have had shit to say.

Fuck I hate this board sometimes.

>>872585
>posts 30yo soviet era design
yes igor, this is modern aircraft.
i guess we cant all have nice things.

>>872593
that clearly still has rivets, where you trying to prove a point?

>>872605

>>872605
those are bolts. weapons and control systems need servicing. ejector seats need to eject.

>>872605
> he doesn't know what service access hatches are
> he thinks he qualified to talk about aviation