/diy/ - Do It Yourself

/g/ is <<<<<that-away

also, just throw away that pc, its a piece, not worth resurrecting.

>>86164

Sweet jesus that's an old piece of shit.... Sorry, just saying. Now on to the helping part.

First off I'd run a hard drive diag on those (look like Maxtors). If they are Maxtors they probably still work, but will be slow as slow...
As far as processor, since it's a Slot 1 design I think the max it will take stock is a 600Mhz processor. You can go for a slocket, but that's probably hard to find now (and may or may not work correctly with that board...). If you really are looking to upgrade the processor try to find a B series processor with 133Mhz FSB. That or see how far you can overclock what you have.

What's the reasoning to upgrade the graphics? If it's to play games you need to find out if that board supports AGP 4X. Sorry I'm not motivated enough to google your board. And it also depends on what type of games. 3D games, and if AGP 4x capable I'd look at either an ATI Radeon 9500 Pro or Nvidia GeForce Ti 4400 - both good midrange cards. If you aren't doing games, then the S3 will work fine for just using Windows. You really don't need more than 16 megs of video memory to do OS work at good resolutions (actually more like 8..) Besides 98se/2000 only took advantage of the 2D acceleration not 3D.

98se will run okay on 96 megs, if you have memory coming and can get it up to 256 or more I'd look at putting Windows 2000 on it. At one time I had an AMD Slot A 800Mhz machine sporting 768 megs running Windows Server 2k3 as a WSUS box... It actually worked well unless you needed to revise the list of active updates - click and walk away.

>>86215
Following what this anon said, don't bother going over 128 megs of ram with 98SE; it can't efficiently use anything higher than that. Also, stay with 98SE if you're dead set on using that videocard - I have one as well, and it isn't supported above Win ME at all. If you want to game or w/e, look for a GeForce 3 Ti 500, or a Radeon 9600 - anything faster will probably be limited by the cpu.

What are you using this space heater for, OP?

good luck we throw those things away now a days.
though i still have a few around very close to that one that we play with. (maxpayne1, rainbow 6, deus ex, swat, ect..) hella slow though compared to todays machines. crunch, crunch, crunch

Radeon 9600 pro has 256mgs ddr and works for us
stay with 98 or 2000 dont go ME
max the ram. too bad this is an anon board because i have a shit ton of pc100 ram and cards to toss.

thankyou for all of your replies

will be scavenging around for radeon 9600 or ti500 cards agp. Its ok >>86215 i didnt expect u to find cards for the board the purpose isnt neccesarily for gaming but incase (For my grandparents) if they want to know or play a game i can teach them from one of my old ones.

Its purpose is to help grandparents familiarise with computers and use internet thus granting them much happiness and independance.

Id thought id use this first so they get used to it before they decide to get one themselves and will be capable of using it without fearing of breaking it and if they do or have a problem can self diagnose and fix than paying $ to a techie because they have been conned in the past (£330 for a blocked drain v long story).

so thankyou and here is a pic of angie verona to keep u smiling

If your purpose it to teach them computers, you're doing a serious disservice starting them on anything earlier than WinXP.

They're not going to be able to run current programs. They're not going to find hardly any support out there apart from you, so screw the "independence" argument. And if they ever buy their own computer as a replacement, they're back at square one to try and learn the thing.

If you're seriously desperate to use that ancient POS, go get yourself a copy of Ubuntu. It can run nicely on older hardware, and they're better protected from malware than any Windows product.

>>86320
second this. If you're trying to teach them how to use computers, windows 7 is much easier to learn and visually accessible than any other past windows OS, especially pre-xp.

The computer will also be really slow, ugly, unable to run current programs, (Youtube 1080p, lol) and just be downright unpleasant to use compared to any semi-recent machine. Hop on craigslist and find them something recent imo.

>>86320
Thirded. Teaching them windows 9x is doing them a disservice. Hell, at this point teaching them XP is practically nonhelpful.

Before you sink ANY more money into this build, RAM/CPU/Whatever, do consider that there are extreme budget, all-inclusive motherboard/cpu combo setups that can be had for $39.99, like this Atom board here: http://5z8.info/peepshow_arpf
Pair it up with a $10 1gb stick of DDR2 and you're ready to rock with XP. Bump it up to a $20 2gb stick and you can run 7.

Just the stuff you're talking about buying for that PII board is going to take you close to that price point anyway.

>>86164
>wasting money trying to "upgrade" old piece of shit when he should throw away every single piece
>insists on using windows
>/fit/
I have a theory that happens to fit the facts.

>>86807
$35 gets you 8GB. Dunno if your Atom can handle 8GB; the point is that RAM is cheap. A powerful modern computer is cheaper today than ever before. Four years ago, 2GB didn't cost $35, it cost $200. Just earlier today I spelled out a parts list for a $500 computer, and I wasn't the only one in the thread to do so.

>>86449
>>86807
>>86449

these posts,

these posts are fucktarded.

The basic information gleamed from the use of computers is applicable even on non 9x systems you dumb fucking pieces of fuck.

Lets see what do older people have problems with?

clicking a mouse?

running a mouse?

basic PC concepts we take for granted like files, folders programs,e-mail etc etc. Yeah they totally can't learn any of that from 9x.

Low income areas totally don't use old 9x systems to teach school children about computers either, right?

Furthermore a modern user running Windows 7 totally didn't transfer most of his/her skills from 9x, right?

RIGHT!?


God the stupid here is fucking heavy it hurts.

Also windows 98SE can't handle anymore than 128 mb ram?

To the poster that said that you're a dumb dumb bastard. I don't have time to get into the reasons why but please leave the internet and never return.


I hate you so much right now /diy/.

As for OPs question I'd say that do to the lack of support for 98 and my own prejudices about what older people from your grandparents generation would find compelling I'd say the graphics card wouldn't be worth it, unless you stumble upon one.

>>86820

yes, repairing things for fun and taking care of your body are some of the many signs of stupidity.

>>86824
Oh look, he is muscular, and stupid. He's even stupid when he tries to make a clever comeback. No, beefcake. You do not repair things for fun. That is why you are here. To ask us for help repairing a computer. And you are drawing a false equivalence between repairing a car or chair and repairing a computer that is older than you are. A car from 1940 can be restored to drive on the road. A chair from 1840 can be restored to hold the weight of a grown ass man. The parts you have aren't compatible with modern technology. The parts you need to upgrade don't exist because they have been out of stock for almost as long as the parts you do have. And if you could scrounge to find a single piece for the imaginary final build neither you nor I can even put to paper, you'll either pay more in shipping than it costs, or the vendor will happily charge you the same as he would for a modern part that is literally 10,000 times faster. Someone who uses a computer should know this, but then they should also know that windows is terrible, it frustrates professionals, and the user/admin caste system is hostile to new users learning curve. So actually no I don't think you're very good with computers. You shouldn't be teaching anyone anything, unless they asked for help with their workout, but as I can bench 30% more than my body weight, no, I don't think I need your help in that regard.

Keep an eye out for 9250 cards.

They're more recent, low profile, low power and are usually passive cooled. They're not as fast as a 9600/geforce 5, but they played TF2 on low comfortably for me.

I'm not getting in the middle of this emotionally but I do have some nonemotional advice.

You don't mention anything about the power supply. I fear that most of the hardware even from the generation after the computer that you're showing us will be much more than what the power supply could handle normally, as in being brand-new not 10 years old.

Not telling you what to do, but you could put together a bare-bones system for a couple hundred dollars that would destroy anything that you attempt to rig up, not to mention much less frustrating. Best of luck and take the shit to /g/

>>86828

well for starters I'm not OP, so your point is invalid.

But to address part of your idiocy

>The parts you need to upgrade don't exist because they have been out of stock for almost as long as the parts you do have

That's patently false I come across such parts all the time and use them to repair older systems.


You seem rather stupid

>but as I can bench 30% more than my body weight, no, I don't think I need your help in that regard.

and insecure your self.

Hi Op here i havnt replied since >>86292 but i can see alot of people have got flustered over something very little.

My grandparents are enjoying the old machine the ram i put in is now 512mb i read about 128mb limit but apprently thats urban myth the 5412 reads on the bios bootup and in the control panel system.

>>86320>>86449 I appreciate your concerns however they are doing rather well without me. My grandfather was able to also use the ubuntu i had on an acer aspire one from relating to what he learned on 98 by relation of the bar @ the top of ubuntu and the bar at the bottom for 98. He isnt afraid to explore and quite intuitive.

>>86828
Your not replying to OP but some one else, i browse fit as i am trying to improve my lifestyle and health. Please follow the way i type in my posts. I am a very passive person and try not engage cynically or aggressively

So far i've spent in total £10 and i think that will be enough. As of when i left my grandad he is now playin Age of Empires 2 tutorial with william wallace at the ever so young age of 74.

>>86833 Thankyou i will; im also followin the ti500 card on ebay.

I believe it has potential i intend to read around for painting the casing black and will be looking at the local recycling center for a pnp monitor that isnt as large as the one now.

>>86823
What web browser is currently maintained for windows 9x? There hasn't been a current version of Firefox for it since 2.0, the last IE version that supported it was IE6 SP1 (in Fucking 2002!) and Chrome never worked on 98.

I wouldn't let those outdated browsers touch the internet with a ten foot pole. Even behind a firewall, the first time one of these browsers hits a page with a malicious banner ad, this machine is toast. This is a very bad idea.

If they do not have internet access, disregard this comment.