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what is the best way to design a scifi film set on a budget? What sort of building materials should I look into to replicate >pic related?
I've seen pictures of set builders making just about everything from 2x4s, but I don't really understand how they make it look like metal and plastic so convincingly.
Lastly, what would be the best location to use for a project like this? I have a moderately sized basement, but I think I should look into space in older warehouses and factories that are no longer in operation.
Does anybody have experience with building sets like this?
Also, general scifi set design thread.

>> No.768811

>>768808
>on a budget

use cardboard and color paper

>metal

shiny paint

>location

does not matter, as long as it fits

>experience

kindergarten teacher

>> No.768817

For technical looking bits and greeblies, I can always raid the dumpster at my plumbing job, so that's less of a concern to me than the bulkier parts.
Could spraypainting MDF and drybrushing and weathering with paint give the impression of a metallic surface?

>> No.768822

I did notice in Alien, that some objects were made to look futuristic by gluing plastic model sprues onto a mundane object, then just painting it metallic.

>> No.768838
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768838

Any idea how to replicate this?
I'm thinking each of the white segments would have to be made in a vacuuform machine. I'm probably overthinking it.

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>> No.768843

>>768808
>Who is your target audience? I hope this is in the future. I don't know why. If this isn't in the future, ignore this whole post.
You know what looks sci-fi as shit to me? Old ass tech. I grew up watching late 80's and 90's sci-fi shit. An array of monochrome CRTs looks 1000% more sci-fi than a pane of glass with a HUD on it to me.
You'll need pipes. And steam. And more pipes. And CRTs. And >>768822 nerf-guns painted black and silver with useless shit glued to it. A central AI that can be talked to like a person and that bitch knows exactly what you want. Bulky (to our current standards) ass communicators.
>If you then want an alien race involved...
Throw some fukken crystals in there. Crystals-n-lasers. Blue(or something else bright) and tan colors. Add in some silver if they are peaceful or extinct. Red( or yellow if red was your bright color earlier) if they are hostile.
>If you want the new generation to think of future, touchscreen errything.
Touchscreen giant panes of glass with useless shit added in on it post. Touchscreen phasers. Touchscreen PDAs. Touchscreen pipes. Touchscreen blood. Touchscreen touchscreens.

>> No.768847

>>768843
I totally agree with just about all of this.

>> No.768851

Should I bother designing mechanisms to open and close doors on set, or just rely on a stagehand with a rope like on Star Trek?

>> No.768859

>>768851
>Should I bother
I don't know, should you?

>> No.768862

>>768817
you are. what a material appears to resemble has nothing to do with what it actually is.

>> No.768863

Now, where could I conceivably build this monstrosity?

>> No.768884

>>768863
What are you doing? No seriously what are you doing?

>> No.768886

>>768838

>each of the white segments would have to be made in a vacuuform machine

Dude man bro. Slow down. Those are cheap plastic containers turned upside down and glued to a wall.

>> No.768887

>>768884
just some cheap indie filmmaking for the sake of filmmaking. Just a hobby/side project.

>> No.768888

>>768886
I knew I was overthinking

>> No.768899

>>768888
For the walls like that, cardboard tubes cut in half. Although if you keep the door look and some bad ass looking lighting, the walls could be basically flat and still look futuristic. Nomsayan?

>> No.768904

>>768899
I remember reading somewhere that a lot of the walls in the Nostromo were built by tiling cardboard fast food containers and painting over them.

>> No.768905

>>768899
Also, if you had a decent budget, there are cool metal laminates out there. They are probably a few hundred for a 4ftx8ft sheet though. I would definitely go the paint route. There is a metal paint that has steel particles in it, probably overkill though. Saw in on inventables.com

Basically I think you want to find paper products over plastic when you can (like the cardboard tubes). You want paint instead of metal, or a very thin metal veneer. Oh oh oh dude my stepdad has a screen printing company and they have this shit that looks like metal but it's a thin film. It's shiny enough to be used as a mirror. Google "heat transfer metallic foil"

I also really like Flourescent acrylics and have seen that used as a "futuristic" look in stupid stuff like disney shows based on the future or a spaceship. Forget the name of the show I'm thinking of though.

>> No.768906

>>768904
Haha nice

>> No.768907

I really like using EL-wire, so I'll probably incorporate that somewhere in the build

>> No.768908

>>768904
That was a notoriously cheaply built set.
Can't argue with results though

>> No.768912

Foam, either fan fold or styropor or whatever. Form it either with a hot wire, or a mill or knife or whatever.. Glue together with wood glue or foamsafe ca. If you want to paint it; cover it with a layer of newpaper+woodglue and you can use whatever kind of paint you want.

and supply with cardboards, old piping, plastic tubes etcetc, like all the other ideas in this thread

>> No.768930

>>768839
BSG?

>> No.768932

>>768930
yep

>> No.768933
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>>768863
a cargo container can be purchase for as cheap as 500 bucks
if you have any welding/cutting experience youll be able to link several of these together
build your spaceship inside these containers
find a person to wire it up safely for power/lights etc
and of course somewhere to house this monstrosity
a big backyard is ideal
good luck starbuck
and i thought i was the only one with this dearm
this is what im planning on doing

>> No.768935

>>768932
love that show
havent seen it since it was on tv
considering doing a marathon viewing, inspired by fred and carrie from Portlandia, another good show

>> No.768995

>>768888
Seriously, so much of the old sci-fi prop scene was stuff like that. Try to think thrifty.

Even today, I see a lot of pink home insulation sheets just carved and painted for rock walls and stuff. It's pretty affordable.

>> No.769011

>>768822
>I did notice in Alien, that some objects were made to look futuristic by gluing plastic model sprues onto a mundane object, then just painting it metallic.

What you're talking about is greebles or nurnies.

This is a cheap thing that is done to make mundane objects look more interesting and textured.

The interior shot of OPs image was made by having the basic set built, and then several tonnes of scrap were hauled in and every surface was encrusted with whatever would fit in any given spot. Then it was painted green and stencils were put on.

>> No.769018

>>768808
1. Write your screenplay around your budget. If your budget can only afford a tin can, shoot a movie set in a tin can (Moon, Dark Star). Or be brilliant, and shoot a movie without a set: Dogville.

2. Watch the following:

Dark Star (ultra cheap set that paid off)
Space 1999 (expensive set that didn't pay off)
Tarkovsky's Solaris (ultra expensive set that could practically be launched into orbit...broke even)
Aliens (absurdly expensive set that paid off)
Tarkovsky's Stalker (abandoned factory that paid off in spades)
Zardoz (modest set that almost worked superbly)
Moon (modest SMALL set that did work superbly)

3. Figure out what your partners (actors and crew) can actually deliver. A great set dresser can build a masterpiece out of duct tape, cardboard, aluminum foil, and surplus paint. A great actor can be compelling reading the phone book. Use what you got. Work around what you don't.

>> No.769078

Take a queue from modern movies and green screen.

>> No.769122

Aircraft junkyards.

Just strip out every bit of shit you can find. Panels, electrics, structural members, cockpit parts, oleos, you name it.

Packing crates.
A lot of Red Dwarf was made from milk bottle crates stacked and painted and then backlit.

Scrap computers to be recycled can provide fans, boards, louvred cases, all that sort of stuff.

Perf plate steel sheeting.

vacforming to duplicate one object many times.

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>>768808
Check out this guy's budget sci-fi set. He created panels with wire nuts to look like knobs, washers with color film to look like lights, electrical wall plates, etc. I also see some metallic bubble pack insulation, and aluminum HVAC tape.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ02alEkbLw (video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHJkIUEONL8 (behind the scenes)

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>>768843
Also, computers in sci-fi movies make noise. Here's a great example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7deEcyeVuw8
So manipulate some printer sounds and play it back when a CRT is displaying something.

>> No.769193

>>769186
lol sounded like a dot matrix printer.

>> No.769233

>>769193
Dot matrix printers and early 1980s harddrives are really common sounds.

>> No.769251

>>768933
Good god man, building plywood flats is much cheaper and doesn't require hours with a cutting torch and specialized vehicles to move them.

Filmmaking is about illusion. If all your camera sees is a flat wall, it doesn't matter whether it's made of steel or painted canvas.

>> No.769393

>>769251
Backyard space is something that I can come by fairly easily.
Would I need to worry about building permits for a temporary plywood/2x4 structure? I'll probably need to call the townhall and ask.

>> No.769396

A lot of The original series of star trek was filmed in a broom closet with scraps of wood and mdf making up most of the scenery/set.

>> No.769441

I know Ridley Scott used a shit ton of recycled/discount stuff for Alien because the budget was tiny. You might learn something useful if you watched the "behind the scenes" film of Alien.

>> No.769466

a little off topic, but I've got a couple sci-fi screenplays in the works and I'm trying to decide which one is going to get my full attention.
Would anyone be interested in a Sci-Fi action film about two squads of space marines training against each other in sim-fire combat training?

>> No.769471

>>769466
Ender's Game?

>> No.769473

>>769471
I was thinking something more like the early episodes of Space Above and Beyond, Halo Forward Unto Dawn, and Aliens.

>> No.769477

>>769473
nice, the world needs more sci-fi

>> No.769478

>>769477
Yeah, 80's scifi is my bread and butter

>> No.769482

>>769393
You do you man. But the other nice thing about a three wall set built with plywood and 2x4 is that it's light enough for a couple stage hands to shuffle them around when you want to place a camera or lights in a certain spot.

Your shipping containers can probably be dressed up into pretty awesome corridors though, if moving them around is a non trivial issue.

And keep in mind you don't need to build it like an interior wall, it can be a lot lighter (and therefore cheaper).

>> No.769512

Whats an inexpensive way to build curved set walls?

>> No.769522

>>769512
Eh, soaking plywood is easy, if that's the material you're building with.

>> No.769523

>>769512
6mm mdf sheet around timber or mdf frameworks. If you have a kitchen maker locally, they throw away loads of 'cover sheets' that protect the good stuff in transit. I built my Halloween Mad Scientist set from these cover sheets.

>> No.769524

>>769523
You can also reuse the same set many times by changing lighting washes in between takes. The same corridoor can look like 5 or 6 different ones with a few moveable props and changeable lighting.

>> No.769533

>>769183
another scifi music video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-KlLriSLRs

cockpit made from from bits and pieces of old junked tech you can get from a thrift store

>> No.769568

>>769523
>>769524
Thanks.

I can imagine building a sort of raised deck between the set walls, and hiding some LEDs under it to wash the wall and give things a little more texture.

How about hiding seams? I guess a bit of conduit would work if I had a seam that didn't sand out smooth with spackle...

Maybe a high gloss paint for sort of a NASA aesthetic?

>> No.769736

>>769568
Seams are usually cloth taped, skimmed with a gypsum wall filler, sanded and painted.

Gloss highlights defects so rough jobs are usually matt unless you want to spend a lot of time on filling and sanding.

>> No.769803

>>769736
drywall tape or gaffer's tape? Assuming I'm not using sheetrock.

>> No.770238

>>769568
Foil tape might make for a cool NASA aesthetic

>> No.770306

Does anyone have photos of their projects? Doesn't have to be an actual spaceship set, maybe just something with the same aesthetic. Even props!

Would white epoxy paint make for a nice finish with a few coats? They also make spray paint that buffs to a mirror finish now, which I need desperately to try on something.

>> No.770329

Would any diyers ever dare to build something like the centrifuge in Mission to Mars?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAqvjpBlH70

>> No.770347

>>770306
I usually stick to spraypaints, just because of how easy they are to use. Acrylics for smaller details, if they're needed.

>> No.770401

Big thing to keep in mind too if you want shit to be real, is usability, or the appearance of usability. Touchscreens in a battleship cockpit look slick, but when the ship is getting bombarded as fuck and you're trying to just hold on and fire the lazors, hunting for a button to peck on a touch screen sucks ass. I would want a good old fashioned joystick, or a switch, a console full of colorful buttons and levers and stuff. And those, you can make outta just about any junk lying around. Don't make something functional if nobody is actually going to touch it either, just has to look cool.

>> No.770455

>>770401
Yeah, designing UI for scifi is a discipline unto itself. Unfortunately, it's lately been a lot of iPads and holograms.

More inspiration, especially for the retro future lovers (including UI with orbital transfer diagrams!).
https://vimeo.com/58429056

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>>770455
The lighting is over-done to the point it is distracting. You can't just throw a bunch of colored light on people's faces and call it a day.

If you want to study lighting, watch Blade Runner. Despite being dark, it is very purposefully lit. But lights are only half the equation, the camera is the other half. Blade Runner was shot on slow 70mm film. During the indoor shots, the iris is cranked all the way open, which reduces the depth of field, producing an extremely shallow focus that was used to direct direct the audience's eye. (You can tell the camera operators were struggling, operating at the limits of the lenses, but that's what makes Blade Runner so great - everything about the way it was made was pushing the limits.)

>> No.770490

>>770484
>strong depth of field
lol wut, are we looking at the same screenshot?

>> No.770507

>>770484
I'm actually a gaffer in my day job... Your pic is just (well done) butterfly lighting on a beautiful woman with the best makeup Hollywood can offer.

I thought the lighting in C was pretty bold despite being amateurish, and the sets were interesting. It has a purposeful aesthetic (intentionally quoting retro scifi), which is more than I can say for a lot of films that cost much more to produce.

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>>768843
Love this post, you got my credibility

>> No.772520

Bump

Can't let this thread die.

>> No.772778

Babylon 5 is really good for studying sets. They weren't exactly on a shoestring budget, but it was measured out to exact detail, so everything was used and reused and turned upside down and redressed for various scenes.

They could use one room for like 4 or 5 different sets, by changing the backrdrop, rolling the wall panels to a different angle, adding and removing furniture, moving a doorway, or just filming from another direction. It was brilliant.

A fair bit of it still ended up a bit cheesy, as you'd expect an epic space opera produced on a 1990s TV budget to be, but even where it failed it was brilliant cheese.

>> No.772912

>>768808
If you're good at sculpting and carving, use foam insulation board sold at Home Depot or your local hardware store.... the boards come in different thicknesses; and some have molded textures in their surfaces to kick-start that textured sci-fi look.

Tools: any knife will do for sculpting the foam board. If you don't mind investing for foam cutting tools your local hobby shop has a variety of foam sculpting, burning, and cutting tools for sale... prices vary.
Sculpt, cut, and/or burn your designs onto the foam board BEFORE painting them.

For paint: use Rustoleum gray primer, and then a mist of Rustoleum metallic silver paint.
Keep in mind, some paints will dissolve the foam-- use a scrap foam to test the paint, and spray-paint it from a distance to get an even layered thin coat.

When spray-painting insulation foam boards, apply the paint in thin coats-- let dry between coats.
If you want the painted surface to become permanent, use spray-on Plastip-Dip gray primer
and apply it in thin coats until it builds to a rigid vinyl-like thickness.

This goes for all or most Sci-Fi props.
Good luck with your project.

>> No.773751

>>772778
Any source on plans, photographs, etc?

I mean I know there's the show itself, but some more in depth info would be great.

>> No.774087
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I always liked sets like these, that are really bright and uniform, unlike Alien.
Looking at them today it almost is like the entire thing was 3D printed.

>> No.774091

>>774087

>tfw those are probably just plastic plates glued to the wall

>> No.774101

>>774087
That's by far cheaper and easier to construct than the "used future" look. It's all big flat surfaces.

Then again, besides being done on a lower budget, it was also made for display on a 10 inch CRT. Amazing what they got away with. HD is far less forgiving, even with Youtube compression!

>> No.774105

>>774087
cardboard, glue and lots of paint
the BBC had the biggest sfx budget of anywhere at that time.

>> No.774114

>>768838
Buy foam sheathing cut the profile into the foam.attach foam to a wooden backer board like plywood. Wrap foam in a colored leather or vinyl or some similar fabric. Staple covering behind piece onto backer board (like stretching a canvas, keep that bitch taut) Attach to wall ???

>> No.774116

>>774105
Interestingly enough, the first idea for Dr Who (pictured) was not looked at favorably by the higher-ups, and as such minimal time and budgeting was set aside for it.

Man this thread makes me want to watch Alien again.

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>>773751
I'll see what I can do. Google isn't giving me any good sources.

Here's the central set, as a main set it wasn't really dissasembled a lot, but it did get redressed for use in many types of scenes. not the actual set stops right behind the catwalk; that's a digitally enhanced backdrop with people added later in the back.

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>>774117
Here's the same set, redressed for a dirty abandoned station look. The lighting is completely different, the camera is set lower, the wide angle lens is gone. A bunch of glowing greebles were put in front of the backdrop to draw your eye away from it (the eye tends not to look beyond bright lights). Same set, different set.

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>>774118
Here's the council chamber, a set we saw a lot. Notice the generic greeble walls in the back. Also notice the focus of the camera is on the actors. This is ALWAYS true in this show. You can get away with murder by zooming in on the actors and keeping the worst parts of your set a few inches offscreen.

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>>774119
Literally the same set, redressed to be someones office. Instead of being shot from the center forward, it's shot from the center sideways, with a standard greeble wall put at the edge of the existing in an "L" shape to look like a entry way.

I think that literally all the walls were on wheels, and they would just tilt them in and out of each shot as needed.

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>>774120
Another re-use of standard walls, this time to make a generic hallway. Focus is on actors once again.

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>>774122
This one is really sneaky. A really simple doorway flat is behind the actor, with a standard wall behind the windows. The wall is cast in deep blue light and the depth of field blurs it out. With a couple photography tricks and a single wooden flat, they moved the actor from the station to the imperial palace.

This is a promo shot so video would probably require more effort to get the same effect.

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>>774126
Last one.

Heres the only true set production image I could find, showing Gkars quarters. It really shows how they cheat the sets for the camera. There are 3 or 4 separate areas of set; by positioning the camera JUST SO, they could get several rooms worth of scenery out of this one build.

There's a dining table (or religious altar, as it was often used on show) on the left, a vanity area in the back, a bedroom on the right, and a standard doorway wall would be put in where the camera is in this shot, to show entrances and exits. IIRC, all of these were depicted as different rooms in the show.

This is what a set designed for TV looks like. It's all about what the camera will see.

With enough planning and creativity, you could literally do this in a garage and get 4-5 sets worth of material in a single space.

>> No.774211

>>774119
I always hated the B5 sets because the paint job makes it so obvious everything is particle board. It's supposed to be metal because they're on a space station right? It's so splotchy it looks more like a bad stone temple set.

>> No.774215

>>774211
A good metallic look can be difficult to get... unless you spend loadsamoneh on actual polished aluminum sheet.

And if you do have that metallic gloss, it can be difficult to photograph.

The texture on the walls here
>>774122
Is probably there because a simple matte paint job would have looked too flimsy.

Anyways, I agree with you. Not sure how I would have done things differently given the same resources. The color palettes of the sets are certainly kind of strange (and in hindsight, super dated) but you also don't want every room of the set to look like "generic bulkhead #443-G"

>> No.774256

>>774215
remember also that this was pre digital TV. They could get away with a lot that won't fly now.

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http://www.wired.com/2013/01/kickstarted-scifi-movie

https://vimeo.com/39643267

I have no idea what their budget was like.

https://futurecityrecords.bandcamp.com/album/to-the-max-lp

Listen to outrun/synthwave for inspiration while you work.

>> No.774955

>>774887
About 17k. We discussed it a little further up the thread.

I think they did a nice job for what they had.

>> No.775046

What about set building/dressing tips from soap operas? No, they're not sci-fi, but they do need to squeeze maximum value from minimum budget and time.

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It doesn't get any more low budget than this.

>> No.775081

>>775071
If you go that route, digital sets still cost money, still take time to make, etc. A physical set could very well cost less when you account for work.

>> No.775546

>>775046
I think that a lot of soap operas re-dress the same sets to be different rooms/buildings

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775570

Adam Savage has a few tales to tell.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4F7E816E0A6D9EDE
His workshop is also fun
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJtitKU0CAehsdcybehbPFHObmWsKtQcY

I think a scifi ship is a huge project that takes considerable effort. With no budget this just isn't going to happen. But it can be done on a small budget. Use scrap where you can. Aluminium sheets and stamped steel look expensive, even if they come from the junk yard. Metal junk is priced by weight. Sell them again after the production and they're virtually free.

What you really NEED to do is talk to the director, producer, and the heads of photography and lighting. You need to plan each shot meticulously and then only build what is in frame. It makes no sense to construct 5 corridor elements when you'll only ever need 3, or to build the front of the bridge when that's where the camera will always be.

And in the right context you can get away with a lot. Can you spot the household iron?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJI4J92Btis

With a female lead like Nora Tschirner, your space ship set can even be a house while exteriors are a coffee maker....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpQ-qqK-iLU

>> No.775574

>>775546
Daily soaps have 3-camera sets. They don't have time to redress. They may change them from day to night. But anything that takes more than 15 minutes is not feasible with 20 minutes of stop-time to shoot in a day.

>> No.776086

>>775071
>>775081
Fucking this

Your cast also can't sit at a green screen table, drink from greenscreen cups, or hire a team of dozens of FX artists on a budget.

A cheap looking set can be charming, but bad CGI sets are usually cringeworthy. And if you can teach yourself well enough to make good CGI, you can learn to stick together 2x4s and MDF.

That said, of course your spaceship windows or alien landscape and whatnot can be a composite... but it's extremely rare that a whole set can be built out of CGI without looking like lazy dog shit. Even LOTR used models and practical effects extensively... and the difference really shows when it's side by side with The Hobbit.

>> No.776088

>>775570
Agreed. "small budget" is relative though. If you and your friends are working for free, a few thousand bucks could make a pretty great set.

Design and labor are the big line items on most movie budgets.

Too bad directors who grew up with a camcorder in their hands can't even guess where they will want to point the camera 8 minutes from now...

>> No.777339

>>768851
>Should I bother designing mechanisms to open and close doors on set, or just rely on a stagehand with a rope?
Simpler is always better. If a human powered door doesn't work, you can yell at it and it's fixed. If an actuator doesn't work, you still have to spend time troubleshooting it no matter how much you scream. (And you will scream.)

>> No.778365

watch the making of Moon on the DVD.
The Art director explains how to on a low budget. granted their low budget was 3 mil.
but most went to salaries and rentals

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778393

>>768838
those white things are just fluoro tubes. they probably look weird though because the scene is also being illuminated by thousand watt giant film lighting

>> No.778396

>>768933
>4th wall
shooting inside a structure is very difficult. you want an open set so the cameras can move around.

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>>770484
>facial lighting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8OpKnxf52A

>>774126
I die a little whenever I see props reused

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>>768838
The grates, lights, and greeblies are bought.

The upholstery is an issue. Film sets need to meet the fire code, so you can't just stuff paper in there. I'd make rough wood molds for isolation foam elements which then get wrapped in whatever cheap faux leather you can get in bulk. It's weeks of work, but it'll stand up to a close up.

As for the plastic elements, that's vacuum molded, no way around it. You can rig a small vacumold with some heat lamps and a hoover. But it would be so small, you would have to construct the structures from smaller elements.

This won't work for the hatch. And you want it to be sturdy because it can't show wear after 20 takes. I'd build a wood frame, cover it in half an inch of high density foam, cut the design into the foam, and then varnish it with a truck bed coat or whatever the camera likes.

Then build a solid twin rail with suspended rollers holding the door. The mechanism should slide easily but snap in place into notches for open and closed. And it should survive a tired grip carrying 80 pounds of cable stumbling into it at a bad angle.

>> No.778415

>>778396
Depends on what you're shooting. If you're smart and plan your shots well enough, you can build your structure around your shots.

>> No.778424

>>778413
>cheap insulation is fire retardant
>construction foam for sealing gaps in windows and whatever is fire retardant

the fancy molding is nice, but you can actually do quite a lot with polyresin, plywood and acrylic paint. its why I completely lose it over people and their 3d printers.

>> No.778430

Babylon 5 is bad example for Sci Fi set build.
Heres why: set were very badly constucted and finish with an ugly motttled blue silver flat housepaint. some of the details wer ludicrous.
Like halves of the Millienium falcon screwed into the walls of the shuttles-UNpainted.
MOst of the art team were hacks with no scifi interest or skills. and the set painters were more comfortable working on Cheers or Golden Girls. I walked the set and built some Seals for them. ON the other hand the set work for Wing Commander movie bridge was nice lots of curved MDF the carpenters and art directors gave a crap. too bad the movie s-------!

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For a great "Making of " on low budget sci fi check out Phillip Cooks Movies for mini-Epics Despiser and Outerworld
The making of can be found:
you tube channel Camuledon

-Discs at eaglefilms website

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>>778424

>> No.778547

>>768808
That grated flooring that all sci-fi places seem to have can be bought from livestock supply catalogs or websites. Specifically, pig barn nurseries use it. I always thought that would make a great floor with sequentially moving LED light ropes under it. Probably not cheap though.

Aluminum colored spray paint is great as well as flat black and brass color. IDK how 2x4s work because you can always see the wood grain through paint. I would go with cardboard or Sheetrock instead, maybe 2x4s are the framing that hold them up.

Your basement may be ok depending on the setting of your movie. In a spacecraft, tight and claustrophobic would be realistic. Have you ever been in a submarine or WWII era bomber? they are cramped.

>> No.778568

>>778547
>can always see the grain through paint
you're not priming are you?

>> No.778663

can (or should) you use drill-tipped sheet metal scres to secure MDF to 2x4 studs?

>> No.778664

>>778663
You pre drill under diameter and then use self cutting Phillips heads (spax). Have you never joined two pieces of wood?

>> No.778666

>>778664
I wanted to make the MDF resemble sheet metal, and having the hexagonal heads of the screws was part of my vision.
Should I join it using normal wood screws, hide them, then add the sheet metal screws simply as decoration?

>> No.778668

>>778666
Maybe I could use lag screws?

>> No.778669

>>778666
If you want decorative screw heads I'd glue them on. You don't want to have to go down a seam with 200 working screws just to join two elements on set.

And don't use screw heads, use nuts.

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I've got a small, finished room in my basement that I'll be renovating into an entertainment area. Going to use everything I know about construction and set design to emulate this style.

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>>778753
Wouldn't an eclectic cantina make more sense?

You could incorporate more curiosities and you can have a game table instead of a couch table and a desk.

>> No.778759

>>778753
You should have a port hole with a monitor behind it thats shows it as if you are in orbit of earth.

>> No.778887

>>778756
I wish I had the space for that. My old 40k table used to take up like 1/2 of the floor space.
So I built a portable table that can be used in the living room instead.

>> No.779099

What would be the effect of old timey CRTs for control screens and modern plasma screens for viewports? Could it work?

I mean on camera CRTs are absolutely useless unless you want to have running lines diverting attention. But in a man cave I can imagine it having a great effect.

>> No.779121

>>779099
CRT's use a lot more power. You'll probably end up spending ~30$ per year to keep one running 24/7. They take up more space too. You'll need to have the prop wall about 30cm away from the real wall to fit it in.

>> No.779136

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TNjpb8O5LY&t=44m15s

>> No.779358

>>778753
Kind of reminds me of an rv.
Could probably build this in one too.

>> No.779415

>>779358
B-but what about the A-Team paint job?

>> No.779642

>>778753
alright, so, I've started working on the room.
I've decided to leave the beige-ish carpet in place, and taking advantage of some concrete pillars, I'm intending to make the room resemble a rec room at a Colonial Marine FOB.
I've started painting and have planned out most of the room's eventual design.

>> No.779647

>>768843
Nailed it

>> No.780470

>>779642
Post pics

>> No.780494

>>768843
best poster in this thread

>> No.780502

>>779642
please follow this guy's advice>>768843

>> No.781409

>>780502
I am.
I'm doing one section of the walls at a time, starting with the area that's going to be behind the TV. I've got the basic paintjob done, it just needs to be weathered after I have all the greeblies in place.
Pics eventually.
Considering a Weyland-Yutani theme.

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Plastic Pallets. You see them everywhere in movies as floor and walls and you can easily add depth to your set by back lighting them.

Pic related.

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The old girl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NoCsZvYeEQ

>> No.784264

>>783781
goddamn, that design is beautiful. Not a think I would change in that sketch.
Well, maybe I'd pick a more stable chair design, but it is scifi afterall.

>> No.784815

I work in a movie studio in fact they use our office is quite often as sets They just change a few things. the sets are made of the absolute cheapest materials you could believe wall panels Are like 1/8 inch thick plywood. the supports behind it are just 1x2".

>> No.784821

>>784815
Usually backgrounds are just wood framed canvas screens.

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Lower level corridors look much more interesting.

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>>786191
Funny how much better it looks built and lit.

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How's this?

>> No.788873

>>768838
Sterilite buckets painted?
http://www.housewaresandbeyond.com/images/items/12209/jpg/Rubbermaid-2951-Dishpan-White.jpg

>> No.788880

>>768933
I genuinely hope you make your dreams come true.
shit's cash

>> No.789302

>>768851
Depends on the scene. Having to handcrank an airlock iris open while trying to cover the hallway is awesome. for normal use nah.

>> No.789305

>>769393
Check the website of your county for building codes. When I was building my shed, found out you don't need a permit as long as it's under 120 sq feet and less than 1/3 of the total area of your plot is covered by buildings. You may have something similar.

>>769466
Maybe, what else is going on? Sounds a bit like the start of Soldier (1998). Maybe add an ongoing murder mystery where the two squads start being more and more violent and suspicious of each other when marines start turning up dead, then having to set aside their differences to combat the evil general using them to test mind control implants? or predator hidden alien, or the thing shapeshifter alien, or whatever. If it's just straight about a rivalry set in space, crib from films like remember the titans or mighty ducks, because you're basically making a sports moving... IN SPACEEEEE. But hell, shaolin soccer was awesome, and was basically a cliche sports movie... WITH KUNG FUUUUU. So whatev.

>> No.789308

>>769512
>>769522
Don't forget you can also kerf bend plywood if you need it to hold weight (use circular saw to cut series of cuts almost all the way through. basically you end up with the 6mm plywood >>769523 with parallel support ribs attached). You just need ribs for it to hold the curve.

>> No.789312

>>769568
Don't? Just glue on fake rivets so it looks like a seam between metal panels.