/diy/ - Do It Yourself

>Problem is, I'm clueless as fuck on how to do it. Which is why I'm posting here, obviously

You should get a condo just outside of Lake Tahoe. Look for one that has low HOA dues. Wilderness will kill your dumb ass.

>>73188
Look for Richard Proenneke on google, he did what you want to do, there is also a documentary about him on youtube

>>73188
also: if you are raised in a city you will probably die or give up since you don't have "that feeling" with nature that people have who live in small rural community's close to nature.

permaculture

>>73200
>>73195

lol you didn't understand. I've grown up in a small town all my life. I go on several-day long hikes every other week. I'm not some shitface from suburban New England who's fed up with traffic. I just don't have any experience with long-term wilderness survival.

Read "Walden" by Henry David Thoreau.

depends on multiple factors OP

do you want to build it yourself ?

If yes get some guides o how to build a log cabin.
You will have to be prepared to work hard for few weeks if doing it alone.

If the land is yours probably not or atleast no one will care. However do your homework for the region.

Get a lot of cans and grain foods.

Dry some meat if you will hunt, you will need little more than a salt and an oven/open fire.

Bring the eccentrics, clothes, tools, something to read etc.

About the rifle, it will depend on what game is available in the region.


But mostly, be dedicated to what you are doing.

It is easy to give up and go home.

>>73207
How many edible plants do you know?
Ever went on a hike without food and just ate what you could find?

>>73209

>If the land is yours probably not or atleast no one will care. However do your homework for the region.

Well that's what I meant to ask, what's worth more, buying a large plot of land and chopping down everything on it, buying a small one and getting a forestry permit or buying timber from local lumber yards?

>>73212

not OP,

please don't go THE FOREST WILL KILL YOUUU CITY BOY !!!

everyone can learn the basics within a year or so,
rural life is easy to get to, not to get out of

>>73212

Foraging I know well, I'm not concerned about it. It's the meat that I am. I might also bring a few seeds up and start a vegetable patch with a few spices and seasonings growing in it, to liven up the food a bit. Anyone got protips?

>>73214

well, if you are buying a fores, you can chop down some trees and build one on your own

it's not cost effective to buy wood

>>73207
>I've grown up in a small town all my life. I go on several-day long hikes every other week.

Wow, you're a regular Bear Grylls. You've proven me wrong.

But, for the life of me, I can't figure out why someone as knowledgeable about surviving in small towns as you are can't figure out where he should obtain the logs for the cabin he wants to build in the fucking woods.

>>73209

>About the rifle, it will depend on what game is available in the region.

Mostly brown bears, moose, deer and a few wolves. A lot of small critters around here as well, is it worth the time to try and trap them?

>>73222

see

>>73214

>>73223

then buy something larger, no point shooting at a moose with bb gun

And for the love of god, don't hunt bears if you are not pro, one can easily kill you or run away wounded and kill someone else.

>>73220

Timber is cheap as shit around here.

I have a thing for earchbag building myself, but whatever suites you OP

look in to a rocket mass heaters, easy to build, wood effective things.

Also you can check some designs aimed at heat efficiency. This could improve the living in a cabin by the lot.

make sure you have the mineral and water rights; the last thing you want to deal with is a a logging operation on your land or your neighbor owning the well on your property. You can build a simple cabin with the timber on your land (assuming you have timber. And make sure it's legal in your area) building a log cabin is beyond my scope of knowledge, but there are great resources out there.

Build a smoke house for preserving meats (again, lots of resources out there) and you can jar or dry any fruits or vegetables you have.

Make sure you have the proper permits to hunt game year-round. Poaching can be a costly crime, and it's not something you want to deal with in such a situation. Also, first aid supplies, a way to communicate with the outside world in case of emergency, enough food to last you your first season (it takes a while to get into the groove, and starving sucks), perhaps some sort of power production device. (pedal power is an option, as is a generator if you plan on having access to fuel). Clothes, ammo tools, seeds (if you plan on doing any farming) maybe a hog or two to supplement your hunting. I'd take a mini14 rifle personally, but any medium caliber rifle will work (30-06, 270 etc) as well as a smaller caliber for hunting small game (.22LR is a great choice). Research into your area is going to be your greatest asset here. grab a few newspapers from the area you plan on purchasing land in to get to know the local news, weather etc. Don't want to move into an area with a bunch of hillbilly pill heads who are murdering and eating people in there sleep. Or a place that's in the middle of a drought if you plan on farming.

>>73228

I figured a log cabin would be easier simply because of the sheer amount of timber and it's cost, also because this area can get rather chilly in the nights and from what I understand earthbagging doesn't insulate as well. Am I wrong?

>>73203
>>73197
lol also be delusional and probably both are a hoax, stunt. exhibit. now you're getting it!

>>73203

Hipster detected.

is this a good time to propose using shipment containers.... ?

>>73256
Ignorant /sci/tard detected.

>>73260

Explain how in the name of God you want to get a shipping container up there?

You could look into the PSP house building system. Probably the cheapest way of building a house.
http://www.undergroundhousing.com/structures.html

>>73264

a running gag on /diy/

>>73267
I only left for Europe ~a month ago. I get back and not only is there a new board up, you already have memes as well.

I actually have heard of people living out of those however. It is pretty feasible if you have a way to get it there and power tools.

Honestly good advice here.
Go get you some of the Foxfire books, I don't know how many of them have been published, but when I was younger it was like... 9-10 ish. It's all about how to literally live from scratch in the mountains (the Appalachians, specifically).
They have instructions on log cabin building, cart building, wood types and uses, vegetable gardening, you name it. All used for old timey mountain folk.

Maybe you can torrent the books or something. Good luck, man.

http://outlands.tripod.com/farm/logcabin.htm

It would help if you told us what state you are in. If you are asking about laws then there isn't even a starting point if we don't know your location.

As for hunting you need pretty heavy permits for any big game any place in the country.

Also if you are only planning on spending a few months a year there then you are probably just looking at packing in food.

Sadly a general rule with cabins anymore is that anything you leave behind they will find.

Amateur radio in the hills is a lot of fun.

I've talked to a fair share of gentlemen in desolate land of Siberia, the mountains of Columbia, or the sprawling plateaus of Argentina. Many a island lighthouse keeper has been kept sane by amateur radio.

The power demands for these rigs is quite low. 12VDC/20A on transmit, 12VDC/less than 1A on receive.

Two deep cycle batteries and 2-3 solar panels is usually enough to sustain a transceiver.

Consider it your key to the outside world. In times of need, it could save your life.

>>73222
>>73195

Not even OP but you buttmad as fuck

/diy/ = how to mountain man
shipping containers
also, homeless people
and butthurt engineers

I'm the same as you OP, thanks for making this thread, and thanks for replying everyone!

>>73222

This is a potentially good thread. Why do you want to shit on it so bad?

Pic related, it's me pretending to be you.

OP I share your dream and have done a fair bit of research. I almost bought 10 acres in the mountains of British Columbia, but then I bought a house in the city instead (sigh).

Anyway, learn about composting toilets, solar hot water heating, and check out this website: small-cabin.com/forum

>>73357
Well actually my dream is to have the cabin winterized so I can ski out of it.

OP it would be cheaper, and much more convenient to drop a trailer on your plot of land. Not to mention the amenities you would have already set up (Stove, Fridge, Toilet, Shower/Bath, etc etc)

I've never built cabin before, but I have done a fair bit of construction in my time, something tells me it wouldn't be that hard to build yourself a cozy one room cabin.
as far as living off the land, you'll want to pack in food and such, and yes small animals are very much worht trapping, however i'm sure its very illegal where you live.
as far as a rifle, i'd recomend 2, something in a .22 long rifle for small game plinking and learning good shooting habits, and then something like a .308 or a 30-06.
My dream is similair, i want to build a turf house though XD Good luck mate.

>>73300
definitely elaborate on amateur radio and its application in the wilderness. Sounds very interesting.

OP, don't build a cabin. Get a tipi and a closed circuit bear fence. Keep chickens in a rope-suspended coop, live off eggs, venison, and haul in a couple hundred pounds of grits and taco bell sauce packets (seriously). Bring tea to drink, and make pine needle tea to prevent scurvy. You'll be living like a king.
And bring a typewriter. And half a pound of weed.

You're really asking a lot, OP.

Let me make a suggestion. Read all you can about Cody Lundin, including his books. Cody did what you set out to do.

I like Cody Lundin a lot more than Richard Proenneke because Cody didn't just go out and build a house like Richard, he built it in a goddamn desert where it's hot as shit and cold as fuck and he approached it using cheap, common sense methods to conserve and harvest energy. For example:

>>It’s winter in the high desert as I write this, and last night the thermometer outside read 9 degrees F (minus 13 degrees C), a bit colder than typical and, ironically, part of the same storm system that left 500,000 people without power in the Midwest. Regardless of single-digit temperatures, my home remained a cozy 72 degrees F (22 degrees C), and it did so without using any conventional energy resources.

>>In the summertime, when outside temperatures hit triple digits, I enjoy inside temps in the high 70s (approximately 25 degrees C). I have no cooling bills of any kind.

Proenneke had the benefits of cool summers but harsh winters. In his documentary he was constantly chopping firewood to heat his cabin. Cody doesn't have to do any of that bullshit because he wasn't stupid enough to rely on a wooden structure in an extreme climate. He also designed his house to take full advantage of mother nature - something you're going to need to know if you truly plan on doing this.

I know I'm going to make a few of Proenneke's fanboys pissed, but fuck them, Lundin is the true naturalist and the real hero of this forum.

If you haven't choosen a location yet I recommend looking into the Cascades they're quite a spectacular range.

>>73684
>>73684
>>73684

have never heard of your friend until this moment, now I'm going over to find his books. Thank you kind sir, I admire this greatly and also desert land = cheap.


see also billyland dot com

>>73684

>Fun facts: Cody has a permit from Arizona Game and Fish to collect road kill. He is the only person in Arizona with a license to catch fish with his hands.

>>73703

Wish I knew Cody Lundin, but I don't. Get admirer of his. I've read each of his books quite a few times. They'll at least put you in the mindset of what you need to being doing while you're up there. Reading all you can about his house (and his books touch on it) will give you an understanding of what you need to be accomplishing.

That's not to say that your search should end there - not at all. I'm just giving you a starting point, a good one at that.

>>73709

Let's not also forget that he caught a fucking eel fishing with a sock and braded Cat Tails.

If you have any doubts about the man, just watch Dual Survival or any other time he's ever been featured on TV. The guy knows his shit a million times over.

I bought 30 acres or so two just south of Algonquin Park, Ontario. It's not completely remote, but it's not too bad. It's pretty wild, hasn't been logged for at least 150 years, and isn't mountainous but is in the Canadian Shield hills. I'm no Proenneke, but since I'm not a paper millionaire and adverse to debt I've been eking out an existence albeit less of a survivalist since my career is in the city. I am a bit more mechanized than Proenneke, but for me it's a bit more realistic. I camp year round on my land, even in snow, have been starting a small bunkie cabin using logs that I have harvested and squared with axe and chainblade. So far I've cleared several hundred feet of forest for a road and taken down a fair swath for a build site. A few tips.

>>73817
Land - Buying land is simple right? It can be cheap, and it can be expensive, nothing is for free, look deep into yourself and figure out what you want.
1) Make sure there are no preexisting problems: hydro right of ways, road right of ways, mineral claims, abandoned mines, or hazardous or environmentally protected areas, or else you will be in for a bunch of nasty surprises. If you're in Ontario the MNR has this information in a nifty google map plugs. Actually in order to save you fuel from looking all over the damn place the goverment of ontario land information ontario (LIO) map creation tools can tell you quite a bit including contours, roads, shore road allowances, and hydro right of ways..
2) How hard k0r do you want to go? Total remoteness means that you need the time in your life to actually be up there, because nothing sucks more than spending all this money for a few weeks per year. Unless you want to just move up there and live off the land, in which case go very remote so that you don't offend the cottagers next door.
3) Check to make sure that road access is 4 season if you want that. Otherwise if you're up in Canada or the northern United States, you can write off access to it for most of the winter. A small note about this. Private roads usually come with bullshit maintenance fees that seem to be $600+ per annum. I've seen some that are $1000+ per annum.

>>73826
4) If you have water access prepare to pay an arm and a leg (even where you think it's remote). If the land is only accessible by water, prepare to not have access to it for a significant part of the year. Make sure that the water is potable. If you need to drill a well through granite it costs $10,000 per 300 feet. A running stream with a steep drop may mean you can install micro hydro, which is the most kickass continuous electricity generation system of all
5) 30 acres may sound like alot, and as a matter of fact when I bought at first I actually got lost. But I would say if you don't want to see another human being 100 acres or more is what you're after. What you find is that you could always use more. Having land that abuts crown land or park land is awesome. There is of course a premium.

Real Estate Jargon - You're going to buy land right? Which means that at some point you'll probably deal with an agent. They say things. This is what I ran across when looking.
1) Lots of privacy - it's a fucking jungle out there, you're in the middle of fucking nowhere.
2) Nature lovers paradise - half of this land is fucking malarial swamp.
3) Ideal off-grid location - there is no fucking grid, and hydro poles are $7000 apiece
4) Driveway is in - just because it's in doesn't mean that it's fucking sane. I've seen driveways and private roads in the boonies that my fwd wagon gets stuck on during the summer -when dry.
5) Plenty of wildlife - because this land is a malarial swamp
6) Great sunsets - you might not see the sun at any other time.

>>73827
Equipment- There are some basic tools that I've found to be invaluable and some that have been nice.
1) A good axe. Hands down one of the most versatile things I have ever owned other than a good knife. A good knife is a survival tool, a good axe is a construction tool. I have a German Iltis Oxhead, 6 inch curved blade felling axe. It cuts 5 inch wide trees like butter, and in less than two minutes I can lay one down. It has amazing steel that rings on striking, and can cut inches into wood on strike. In addition to felling you can square logs with it, use it as a rough plane, shave kindling from dried wood (note that I don't say split wood) and make the tools you need to like mallets. A well sharpened axe can also be used to shave your pubic hair if required. Really, an axe is the only thing you need to build a log home, given unlimited time and budget, and of course, skill. Some have remarked as to why I didn't get the broad axe? Because the broad axe is expensive and less versatile to the tune of $300 bucks.

>>73835
2) Chainsaw. If you have limited time, and aren't planning on being up there for days on end, or you have a short season for building, then you will need to operate faster and less romantic. For those in the woods that know, you're not carrying a homelite. It's either Stihl, or Husqvarna, and in some cases Jonsered. I got accused of using too small a chainsaw by people in the know, and they were right, but I still got the job done 300+ feet of road and 100x100 feet of clearing. It was a 50cc Stihl MS260 (now MS261) with a 16" bar. My saw took a beating and is still going. IF YOU USE A CHAINSAW MAKE SURE YOU FUCKING KNOW HOW TO USE IT AND TAKE A COURSE. Cutting trees is dangerous like you wouldn't believe and even a small tree can kill you. You can also use a chainsaw to square timbers if you're not so romantic as to use an axe. You can use both; Cut notches with a chainsaw, and knock blocks off the log with an axe. Also a great way fo making kindling while you square logs. I use something called a Beam Machine, it's cheap, and it requires nothing but a few nails and a 2x4" in order to guide it. An Alaskan mill is more expensive, but I presume you get what you pay for.

>>73836
3) Come-alongs and slings. Not what you think it is. Basically a hand winch. Useful especially if the trees you clear on your property are gigantic, and if you get a hanger, that is a tree that gets caught up in others when you fell it, you can use the come along to down it if you're clever enough. A must if you can't lift everything by hand. I needed this because lots of my trees are 20"+ in diameter. Slings are fabric or a wire length with loops at the end that allow you to attach and object you want to move to your hand winch.
4) A laser level. You can do just about everything in regards to building with a laser level. Shit, I know it's not romantic, but it really does everyting.
5) Rechargable drill. Same as above. However since my Rigid broke down I've just kind of been using an antique hand crank auger. Works like a charm.

>>73837
Construction - Here are some ideas if you have lots of trees.
1) Build an outhouse first, and locate the necessities of life, food, shelter, water. Nothing sucks more than spending all this time effort and money than getting beaned in the skull by a hazard tree.
2) Log - log building is simple, easy, but you have to figure out how to move logs somehow. Either use smaller logs, or rig up something like a gin pole.
3) Dovetail - basically stacked squared logs interlocking with each adjoining wall.
4) Timber frame. - Your classic post and beam construction, what existed before stick-build 2x4"s. Very elegant, but you need to learn how to do joinery.

This is all I can think of for now. Cheers and good luck.

>>73817
>>73826
>>73827
>>73835
>>73836
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>>73844

Not OP but thanks a lot for the advice

>>73817
>>73826
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>>73835
>>73836
>>73844

I'm not OP but this is really cool info. Thanks for sharing.

>>73835
Gransfor makes a good axe.

I'm a cheapass who uses a $15 Harbor-Freight special 3.5 lb axe.

But then again, I don't do much wood chopping or splitting. I've got a little 18" chainsaw and a hydraulic splitter.

>>73682
Amateur radio is the simplest, easiest, cheapest, funnest way to have contact with the outside world.

>>73188
Recommended rifle.

a mosin nagant for large game and protection.
A .22lr like a ruger 10/22

The mosin uses 7.62x54r which you can get 440 rounds for 89$
The ruger10/22 uses .22lr and you can get like 100rds for 10$

>>73862
I think that Gransfors did make a good axe when they had a small bunch of axesmiths way back when. Its hard to believe that right now they just have a small bunch of axesmiths that initial each head when they make them. Too popular, and I've read about complaints in regards to the forest axes getting notched. I felt that the Iltis was a good axe that balances price vs performance. Like it's not so delicate that it has to be babied. But it does the job really well for $99 bucks.

>>73869
If you are getting 100rds of .22lr for $10 you are getting fucking ripped off. You can get a brick of 550 Federal for like $18

>sup /k/ommando

>>73862
>Amateur radio is the simplest, easiest, cheapest, funnest way to have contact with the outside world.

what equipment is the cheapest and best to use?

>>73894

The 10$ cell phone would like to have a word with you.

>>73891
Really?

Well I haven't bought anny in years. Either way no harm done.

And not much, the /k/remlin is slow tonight.

Thought I'd hunt some /DIY/nosours

>>73904
Lets see that $10 cell phone work deep in a valley, or out in BFE where the nearest cell tower is over 200 miles away.

>>73914
valleys block radio signals as well

get out of here LMJ

>>73917
Only for groundwave propagation and DX.

However, we don't care about groundwave propagation or DX, we care about communications.

An NVIS type antenna can produce beam angles of 60-85 degrees, allowing for 30-300 miles of solid-copy communications.

>>73904
>>73914
950/1800 mhz cell phones work very poorly in the woods. Water attenuation of the signal is a huge problem. Unfortunately, trees are mostly made of water.

Plus, lack of cell coverage puts a damper on the situation as well.

Communications coverage in Alaska is so poor that there is a designated emergency frequency, 5167.5 khz USB. This frequency is monitored by amateur, military, coastguard marine, and aeronautical operators.

>>73894
That all depends on your needs.

You can get a brand new ICOM IC-718 for about $750, brand new.

Older HF transceivers will set you back anywhere from $150-$450 depending on the model, features, popularity, and age.

For about $500, you can pick up a fairly nice used transceiver.

I like Yaesu products. They are quite durable.

The Yaesu FT897D is designed with the woodsman in mind. There is an optional 4500 mah battery pack that allows operation at 20w for a couple hours. You can plug it into a 12VDC power source, or run it off 110VAC too.

While the IC-718 and the older HF rigs are usually HF only, the FT897D can transmit on VHF and UHF frequencies as well. It also has an integrated general coverage receiver that goes as low as 100 khz.

Coupled with an antenna tuner, a length of coax or balance line, and a dipole, the Yaesu FT897D is a force to be reckoned with.

>FT897D on 2m VHF

not to thread jack OP, but Radiofag, could you get a hold of me at spam-sucks76 at hotmail(dot)com.

please put "best regards" in the subject line.
(I'm the navyfag that wants to do the MARS thing from your old post)

and VLF porn..

>>73715
I hated Cody in Dual Survivor. He pissed and moaned all the time. A mate of mine and I used to watch it every week solely to see him sook around while Dave bit his tongue trying not to call him a faggot.

Dave was great. Real down to earth guy. Too many of these survivalists are complete whack jobs, but Dave was just a guy he knew his shit out of practicality and necessity, then continued it because he just loved the woods.

I remember one ep they were stranded in a car. Cody is sitting there trying to make a fire using the battery and a piece of wire. He keeps messing it up and getting noticeably frustrated, then Dave comes along and starts it straight away. In the same episode Cody walks around hitting shit with a stick being a dick for the stupidest reason.

>>73684
>Cody Lundin

So that's the same guy that refused to wear shoes in the snow because it would put him out of touch with mother nature?

Yea he sure seems like a real clever guy.

>>73188
>small parcel of land up in the mountains somewhere
>building myself a log cabin
>just living off the land for a few months every summer
have you not seen any horror movie, ever?!?!?!

>>73271
There are 4 foxfire ebooks in a piratebay torrent. Seems like good reading.

>>73232
Nothing is easy about building a log cabin, but they are awesome and the thick walls help insulating. Just building it like a normal house with planks boards and insulation would be easier but not as cool. I would say buy the timber and keep the trees on your land except obviously on the lawn/garden plot. You will need a lot of wood even in the summer (for cooking)
Also, try to build neer a creek or some other source of water because digging a well is fucking hard, and there are no guarantees you'll even find water where you dig. Plus fishing.
Easiest way to get building material to your land is in the winter, with a snowmobile and sled. I'd recommend lynx 5900 or yamaha viking. Start making the tracks early in the winter so they are hard when the snow gets deeper = can live in your cabin in the winter too.
Recommended rifle: tikka T3 or sako hunter 30-06 with swarovski or zeiss scope. If they are hard to find the remington 700 series are pretty good, the ones with triangular barrels. If you want something that drops a grizzly really quick i'd say a marlin .45-70 but you'd have to get a .222, 6 ppc or something too for smaller game and longer shots. Benelli makes the best affordable semi auto shotguns, get a 12 gauge because 20:s suck and the ammo is expensive.

If you smoke meat it will last pretty long not to mention omnomnom. see pic. Dig a deep cellar and put a couple of tons of earth on top, with an insulated door = fridge plus the bears won't get your food.

I love hunting and outdoors living... your idea sounds like so much awesome. Traps are a lot of fun, but it's too much to learn to put it in a thread so i'm afraid you'll have to google it or even better learn from some trapper. Learn to skin and tan hides, might make some extra bucks or maybe you can sew a cool wolf coat?

make an underground cave house

I'll just leave this here.

http://inhabitat.com/extraordinary-off-grid-hobbit-home-in-wales-only-cost-3000-to-build/

>>74077

search for diamonds and beware of creepers

>>74092
Would be so fucking awesome to live in a hobbit hole

>>73703
the hippe in duel survival tv show

>>74092

it is cool

but it will rot, roof is a fucking joke, wood is not build material worthy

>>73927
that's nice, but for that type of money you can just invest in a satellite phone

get out of here LMJ

http://gcaptain.com/satellite-phone-cheaper-att-verizon?22675

>>74284
>sat phone
>$1000 sunk cost + $20/month for service

>amateur radio
>$1000 sunk cost + $0/life for service

An amateur radio license in the United States costs at maximum (the examiners are allowed to charge a small fee), $15 for a license that lasts 10 years. There is no fee to renew your license.

Purchasing a vanity callsign is $14.20 for 10 years. To renew, costs $14.20.

In 12 months, you have spent $240+tax+fees for sat phone service.

In 12 months, you have spent $15 for an amateur radio license.

>>74289
In 5 years, you have spent $1200+tax+fees on sat phone service

In 5 years, you have spent $15 for your amateur radio license. It's still good for another 5 years.

In 10 years, you have spent $2400+tax+fees on sat phone service.

In 10 years, you have spent $15 on your amateur radio license. Renewal was free.

You really should've asked /k/, our regular discussion is how to live in the mountains when SHTF.

Anyways I'd recommend not going with huge animals such as durr, and eek, because food preservation is going to be a b*tch in the wild.

If you want to live in the forest for an extended period of time, I'd suggest buying a cheapo .22 rifle, or an air rifle (Crosman phantom with optics, about $90 and $15 for 1250 pellets, good for rabbits and birds).

Food? Rabbits, Quail, Ducks, birds and rabbits basically. Easy to clean, a rabbit will serve you food for an entire day, a rabbit is by far the easiest animal (Except maybe a squirrel) to gut and eat. Gutting a rabbit is as simple as tearing off the fur (It's like pulling velcro off of another piece), pushing out the guts with your fingers, removing limbs and head, and cleaning, boiling, or cooking over a fire.

May I suggest pic related. Foxholes are nice too, I've got one more pic of shelter I'd recommend.

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>>74289
>>74290
you can buy a used sat phone (new one is $500) and it has world wide coverage vs your little faggy radios limited range.

Plus it's compact vs you having to lug around a heavy radio and an antenna to get it working in the mountains for the possibility of "30-300 miles of solid-copy communications."

go back to /k/ LMJ

>>74318
more like this sir!

>>74320
Amateur radio is cheaper.
Amateur radio does not require a satellite.
Amateur radio is fun.

When's the last time you talked to a researcher in Antarctica?

Not bad, considering McMurdo station is 10,200 miles away from me. Done on 130w with with a radio that was built in 1971, with an antenna made of lamp cord, fed with twinlead that was looted from the "TV" section at radioshack for $18.

>>74326
by your own words ""30-300 miles of solid-copy communications."

or are you a liar boy?

>>74092
Walesfag here, planning permission is a bitch.
Takes ages to get it and usually these builds break shitloads of regulations, but the county councils try and promote the eco-lifestyle as it is good for the tourism so they don't tear them down.

>>74322
You might want to go to /k/

I've only got info on how to make some makeshift weapons.

There's this whole "tinyhouse" movement. I am sure you can find lots of instruction on building a cheap and sturdy cabin if you investigate..

Tipis and Yurts are pretty righteous but you're going to have to buy/weatherize/haul some very heavy canvases...

>>73208
Thoreau's cabin at Walden was only 3 miles from his mother.
Not exactly a retirement to nature.

>>74330
Reliable long range communications with McMurdo station cannot be guaranteed 24/7/365. They were on 28 mhz for about 2-3 hours in the at about 6pm eastern time before conditions faded.

However, with NVIS, I can almost guarantee short range communications of 30-300 miles, barring a blackout caused by intense solar action.

Atmospheric conditions are random.

Sometimes you're talking to somebody a state over. Sometimes you're talking to somebody in Algeria. Welcome to amateur radio.

if you build something on/near a slope, build it in way that rain water doesn't flood your cabin

you need a little space/air under the cabin so the floor doesn't get mouldy

sorry for ma bad inglish

pic related : my cabin, that you can't see, and a tent

>>74342

Yeah I have heard more and more accounts that he was just kind of an adult child playing in his adult fort. Sounds like he went home quite a bit to raid the cookie jar.

To those knocking cell phones....they do have their place.

I live in Alaska and am amazed at the places you can get reception. There are more cell phone towers in the world than you can imagine.

Africa skipped completely over the land line phase and went straight to cell phones.

Even a disconnected phone can be used to dail 911 if you are in an area of reception.

>>74787
IF you have service.

Not much good without.

Plus, as said, amateur radio is fun and almost free.

>>74315
As Les Stroud pointed out, you can't survive on rabbits and small game like them forever, 'cause rabbits only have lean meat. You have to get some fat too, or you'll die of protein poisoning. Though if you go out to live in the wilderness I'm sure you'll have some fatty stuff with you.

>>73203 hipster hippie fag here
permaculture is about minimum work and minimum expences
due to smart design in the begining.... and getting your fruits for nothing
>http://btjunkie.org/torrent/Permaculture-and-Organic-Gardening-Ebooks-and-Documentaries-Collecti
on-Torrent-Download/3660f376abf787d4be6ab331b1d39b05814eb70bc92d

>>73208
>Read "Walden" by Henry David Thoreau.

Yeah, cause the guy who lived two miles outside of town and was visited by his mother every Wednesday is a GREAT source for learning to hack it out in the wilds.

>>73272

Awesome info, thanks a ton. Anyone got an idea how to work a fireplace into this? Makes it a bit more homy.

>>73357

Elaborate on the solar panel heating. As for toilets, I see no reason to even spend time making one, when I'm in the middle of a god damned forest...

>>73837
>>73844

Great info, thanks. Any more info on moving the trees?

>>74053

Based on the movies I've seen, I'd probably be the fucked up murderer honestly.

>>74075

I'm not planning on wintering, if I ever do I'll probably bring a snowmobile just in case something happens and I need to haul ass back to civilization, overlook-style. Please elaborate on the fridge idea however.

>>74374

I was planning on building this on flat ground, but you actually gave me an idea. How feasible is it to dig a shallow (7-8 feet deep) well, coat the insides with stones, and then make small drainage ditches (also with stones) running down from the property's high ground into it? A nice way to get some extra water.

Also ZOMG GAIZ I HAVE THE MOST AWESOMEST IDEA (see pic)

good luck OP! :)

>>73272

Awesome info, thanks a ton. Anyone got an idea how to work a fireplace into this? Makes it a bit more homy.

>>73357

Elaborate on the solar panel heating. As for toilets, I see no reason to even spend time making one, when I'm in the middle of a god damned forest...

>>73837
>>73844

Great info, thanks. Any more info on moving the trees?

>>74053

Based on the movies I've seen, I'd probably be the fucked up murderer honestly.

>>74075

I'm not planning on wintering, if I ever do I'll probably bring a snowmobile just in case something happens and I need to haul ass back to civilization, overlook-style. Please elaborate on the fridge idea however.

>>74374

I was planning on building this on flat ground, but you actually gave me an idea. How feasible is it to dig a shallow (7-8 feet deep) well, coat the insides with stones, and then make small drainage ditches (also with stones) running down from the property's high ground into it? A nice way to get some extra water.

>>73264
Russian trucks ... oh wait, you don't have those in the states.

>>74036

He choose not to wear shoes for a few reasons. The first is that he's essentially making his feet and soles stronger. He's also developing tolerance to extreme temperatures, be it hot or cold. It also forces him to walk carefully and analyze where he's walking. He also has a theory that shoes encourage a walker to land with his heel instead of his toes, which is harder on your body.

>>74862

"Rabbit Starvation"

>>73948

What the fuck are you talking about? You're referencing the episode "Desert Breakdown" where they start with a car. After Cody takes a few bottles and fills them with water, he departs and leaves Dave behind with the car. Dave then makes a fire using the battery and jumper cables.

If you watch the episodes, you'll know that Cody is infinitely more skilled at making fire than Dave. Dave cut the fuck out of his hands the only time he tried to start a fire with a bow drill on the show. Cody, meanwhile, has done it multiple times and made relatively quick work of it.

Stop with your bullshit.

>>73271
OP what are you doing? Why have you not read all of these books yet? I am telling you, they are a step by step manual on how to do everything. EVERYTHING.
Build a cabin, every tiny little detail. Make a well, you'll have perfect water. Make a garden, cultivate bees, train animals, chop wood, WHATEVERYOUWANTNIGGER.

>>74973

>Implying I'm not reading them.

op here, I was thinking, what would be a good place to even do this? I've pretty much explored every neck of the woods around here, and I'm not eager to stick around this place anyway...

>>75158


Alaska my friend. But I warn you in advance. Although there is tons of land available. There isn't much work available where that land is located. If you have financial reserves then it is workable.

However if you leave for half the year like a lot of people don't expect anything to be there when you get back.

>>75358

>Alaska

More specific? Alaska's a big place my friend...

>>74973
>perfect water
With tolerable levels of arsenic and cadmium, I hope!

not 2B a dick & no i didn't read through all the post
but honestly if you have to ask all those questions are you sure this is something you want to attempt
it sounds great & i would love to do it myself
but i've done a lot of camping & what not & living off the land for weeks/months at a time would be hard for someone with experience let along for someone with absolutely no experience
not trying to burst your bubble or anything like that
the best of luck to you
but you "Might" want to learn about guns & hunting & how to gut & prep an animal & research
log cabin building & maybe take a few "living off the land" camping trips first
not stuff that can be tought in a few posts in a forum like this

Just Saying

>>75566
although you type like a retarded kid, you are spot on in everything you said.

>>75567
>>75566

see

>>73207

>>75567
not retarded just very stoned

i've done 5 day om foot hunting trips / 3 days out 2 back
with nothing more than you want to care for 5 days & after 3 or for days as awesome as it is you can't wait to get home
&
I Would LOVE To Watch someone who has never hunted shoot something like a rabbit let alone a deer & field skin butcher cook & eat it / LOL

moving on down from the east side to chopping down trees & building a log cabin & living off the land 6 months out of the year isn't something someone just picks up & does

+ having to deal with the big feet / don't get me started on them hairy mother fuckers
They Aint Even Good Eatings

>>75571
>& field skin butcher cook & eat it / LOL

You're talking to someone who used to work at a slaughterhouse during high school. Skinning and butchering are two things I'm actually something of an expert at.

http://www.alaskaantlerworks.com/Alaska_cabin.htm

>>75571
skinning and butchering aren't that hard

it's preserving the meat that's a bitch

>>74971
Haha, okay. That's not the episode I am referencing, but you obviously have some weird biased boner for the guy, so there's no need for me to engage in this debate.

>>75546
>>75546
>>75546

Yes Alaska is a very big place. There is so much land available for cheap that you couldn't begin to list it here.

You want me to build your cabin for you as well?

Try Craigslist, Google, the usual sources.

>>75816

Go ahead and build OP's cabin. You'll be less obnoxious that way.

Download geoff lawton permaculture movies, he's a genius. Permaculture is the future of agriculture nigger!! No waste, EVEN DEAD CHICKENS CAN BE USED TO HARVEST RICH MAGGOTS FOR CHICKENS TO EAT. plant lots of perennials? there are lots of tips to staring out at permies.com no shit son! it heals the earth, super organic!!1! also, if done properly it sustains itself with no imput!. excess food goes to feeding animals, so your animals have super good food! that is the most bitchin stuff to est ever!! even 'spoiled' animals in the modern day only get hay and salt licks :( imagine having garden and bug fed fowl that had super rich meat, super nutritious food! you will be free of the horrible chemicals in everything! learn to butcher an animal, pussy! dig a Sepp Holzer style earth shelter and while you're at it make a mike oehler house (this dude claims he made his first house out of recycled windows and logs for 50 bucks) just research, and mulch mulch mulch mulch asap because that is how the soil is so vigorous is nature, don't till. read "the one straw revolution" by Masanobu fukuoka. Good luck

>>75894

I read the first sentence as "Download 'Get Off My Lawn' permaculture movies"

contrary, pollsha

I'm not a survivalist, OP, so take what I say with salt. However:

If you're only spending a few months of the year tending to your garden I wouldn't bother with one. Without you around to tend to your crops I really wouldn't give your crops good odds, hungry animals and just plain bad luck could well end any dreams of home grown vegetables quick.

>>74971
He can't develop a level of tolerance that would allow him to walk barefoot in the snow without serious problems.

Period.

It's one thing to walk barefoot in the desert but it's just a whole different matter when you are talking about exposing your feet to the snow with no protection whatsoever. I'm not saying that walking barefoot to harden your feet is a stupid idea, it actually makes sense, but refusing to put on a pair of shoes in the snow out of principle is dumb on so many levels.

Just read the foxfire books

>>75923

He's never gone barefoot in the snow. I don't know where you're getting this shit from.

bump

>>75816

OP has a point. Saying "Alaska" is equivalent to saying "Canada" then when asked "where in Canada" saying FU do your own resarch. SE vs interior vs Kenai, for instance are all suitable places but there's a world's difference between them. If there's one place that can't be summed up in one answer, it's Alaska.

I didn't read into the thread to much op
But fuck all those people who say you can't do it
They're a bunch of fucking tools who don't do shit with their lives
You got this
My suggestion would be to look up a local survival school, they really are all over the place if you look hard enough.

>>75981
Not the guy you're replying to, but he has in at least one episode (I saw it myself and in my country they used shorts from that episode in the advertising campaign for the show).

Have you ever actually seen the show?

>>76403

First thing I thought of when the idea popped into my head was "take every god damned survival course you can afford".

>>76403


First thing I thought of was "take every god damned survival course you can afford".

>>75894
>>75905

Why in the name of God should I plan on going through the time and effort to bring animals if I'm only going to be there for a few months?

MFW your tl;dr is longer than the tl.

>>73188

Generally, land has to be purchased. Now depending on where you live, I would guess that maybe you can set up a cabin anywhere you damn well please, but where I live land is not free. We cannot just build a cabin and everything is cherry. Look into where you are trying to build, cause the government will kick your ass if you don't, as one guy already said, do your homework on this.

However, I like where you are going with your plans and such, and I do wish you all the best in this. Also, my dad owns a 5 acre piece of land which is mine when he passes...

>>74956
You're welcome.

Moving logs can be done in several ways by hand.
-A pike can be used for leverage
-A cant hook or peavy can pivot a log many times your weight.
-block and tackle can be used to multiply the amount of force
-come-alongs, slings, ropes, and chains can provide more force than you usually can by hand.

But the easiest way to do these things is to basically choose smaller, more manageable logs.

>>73334
don't be butthurt y'all, help each other do things

even mountain man things, even potentially risky things

so sez oskarbro

>>77313

AMEN hear hear, etc.

bow before oskar

>>77305

Once again, awesome info. You seem like a guy who understands his shit, so I'll ask you one more quick question. How would you recommend getting the higher logs (ridgebeam, etc.) up?

>>77544
>>77544

From what I have heard here in Alaska they roll the beams up other logs laid against the building. A cum along is tied to another tree and a length of cable is attached to the end of each log being hauled up.

I have heard of people building a cabin by themselves but they almost always seem like huge bullshiters.

Building a cabin is hard work and takes a minimum of two people just for safety if nothing else.

>>77587

It is possible, my Dad had a friend who did it. Sadly he passed away a while back so I can't ask him, but I'm sure it's possible, although I admit you're probably right on the safety part. Still, if my safety was my number one concern, I wouldn't be doing this in the first place.

>>73209
>eccentrics
haw

>>73214
make a cheap mill from your chainsaw.

>>forestry permit
WTF? your plot your trees

>>77544
Hi again. I wouldn't say that I know everything since I'm sort of just in the process, but I'll tell you as much as I can.

I wouldn't expect the bullshit suburbanite ranch version of log home (gigantic logs) because those of course, are built by crane. The only way that you can really get a crane going is to rig up a gin pole or something similar.
http://forums.tfguild.net/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showthreaded&Number=22757&PHPSESSID=1a969e401c5
58aff66822336a625d92f

Once again, use only logs that you can manage. Using a come-along and a set of slings is quite useful. I buy mine from Brafasco. They sell construction slings that can be used to haul steel beams. At least that way, you can set a choker on one end and haul a single end of the log up against the wall then haul it over.

Another thing to pay attention to is cable. Use cable, I made the mistake of getting some nylon rope.. which ended up being too stretchy. Try to get to know how to use steel cable if you can.

>>79112
Just in response to >>79093

I'm using one of these right now
http://www.beammachine.com/
Cheap as hell, and not the most accurate, but for the most part it's ok. Oregon ripping chain does wonders. I tried squaring with an axe. Not bad if you have buckets of time, but for the rest with day jobs, ripping chain and chain mill.

There's a question about whether buying lumber is cheaper.... unless you're truly out in the middle of nowhere, buying mass produced lumber is indeed cheaper when you factor in the cost of transporting your sorry ass out to your place and victualizing yourself for however many demanding days it takes to prep all the lumber. I have many many board feet, but it's in eastern hemlock so it's pretty hard to get any of the local mills to take interest.

In addition to Proenneke, take a look at this. This guys spent a few days in Alaska (with some nice company) building a cabin. As you can see he uses short lighter logs for the roof.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oseCVRhOE2g

In regards to logging permits, be careful to check out the local rules. Even if you own the land, running through the forest naked with your chainsaw taking down any tree in sight will get you afoul of the authorities quite quickly as most local governments have responsible forestry harvest rules. You might not need to get a permit, but you might have to adhere to what are considered good practices. Then again you can probably log all you want as long as you're in a place and time where no-one notices. Usually people like the MNR in Canada won't fly in on you, unless someone reports your sorry ass.

>>74075
>swarovski or zeiss
ohnoyoudidnt.jpeg
i am speechless, he might as well get a contractor if he would ever drop so much money on optics, while at it get BMG50 and cut down the trees with it
>>74290
actually it's lot more for the sat phone because it is 20 for the first year only. Globalstar is in process of launching gen 2 satelites so the quality and coverage will be better as in not as many dropped calls etc.
>>74315
agree
>>74320
doesn't have world wide coverage

>>79123
that's pretty cool.
Also I don't expect for him to cut down more than 20% of the trees. Also, if he clears are for the cabin and small vegetable patch that should be almost enough for the cabin

>>79093

There are places were for every old growth tree you chop down you have to plant one somewhere else on the property, unless you receive a special permit to do otherwise. Although I doubt there are such rules up in these places.

>>79471
yeah I understand and know of places like that and actually support it.

It'd be sweet if we had a thread on this board that lasted ten days.. Bump for that cause.

>>79865
it'd be sweet if it lasted for ten days because people were genuinely interested in the topic, not if people just bumped arbitrarily

>>79871
...touche.

maybe some solar panels on your roof when the stream freezes up or slows down.

>>79882
Icing and snowfall will degrade performance.

Winter is a good time to own a wood gasifier!

I recommend you getting The Self-sufficient Life and How to Live It by John Seymour, it's more focused on the country living but it will help a lot anyway.

>>79918
What are the topics discussed in it?

>>79918
not OP
wish I could find it online... no torrent no usenet
25 bucks on amazon
that book is highly regarded everywhere

Alaskafag here, some location tips for OP if you wanna head up here.
There are 4 primary places where you could do this, SE, Kenai Peninsula, Interior, and the Brooks Range. SE has very mild winters, snowfall is light and rather infrequent, snow almost always melts within a day or two and temperatures rarely go below freezing even in January. So you'd be able to stay pretty much year round and start building now if you wanted too, and because much of SE is sheltered from the open Pacific the storms tend to be much more mild than in other parts of AK as well. Wood is more abundant than in any other place of Alaska, and there's a ton of wildlife as well. There are a few disadvantages as well. Most of SE is part of Tongass national forest so logging is a very sensitive issue (although if you own the property I doubt you'll have problems). It rains literally every fucking day, so you'll have to get creative with a huge ass tarp if you want any chance of getting this cabin up. And the biggest problem is that there's literally no roads whatsoever that extend more than 15-20 minutes outside of any given town - you'll have to hike, sail or fly if you want something more reclusive and remote.

Next up, and what I'd personally reccomend, is the Kenai Peninsula. Place is fucking beautiful, and more wildlife than anywhere else in AK (you won't have to go on hunting trips, the game will come right to your front porch). There are two main regions, the more mountainous east and the flatter west. Eastern Kenai has the mildest winters after SE, it does receive a fair amount of snow and temperatures do drop below freezing far more often, however wintering it out is still very possible. However if you're looking for mountains you won't find them here, the terrain is flat and packed with a clusterfuck of lakes, quite similar to Finland actually. Eastern Kenai has a clusterfuck of mountains, but this is as much a curse as it is a blessing - the mountains have snow on them year round, so if you want to go there you'll have to select a location close to the ocean, because that's the only place where timber grows. Eastern Kenai also suffers from much the same transportation problem as SE does. Snowfall there is also pretty heavy so I wouldn't recommend wintering if you buy a plot there. Another note on wintering on Kenai, because Kenai is exposed to the open Pacific the winter storms there can get downright brutal, and they can often continue for days. Be prepared to spend a few days hunkered up in the cabin if need be.

>>80205

First region I discuss is western Kenai, sorry for the typo.

Interior and Brooks Range I haven't been too much so I won't go into detail about them, but I'll givr you the basics. They're awesome for summers but wintering there is downright impossible, don't even think about it. Wildlife and timber are abundant and the mountains are spectacular. The only real issue is that much of the interior and pretty much all of the Brooks Range are uncharted territory, so if you want to trust a map forget about it. Also the Brooks range has only one road going through, the Dalton Highway, so transportation out here is pretty much impossible if you don't want to live on a highway.

/k/ommando here on the whole hunting thing:
what animals are most common???

if big/medium game such as deer/dog/kangaroo or bigger size, pick up a mosin nagant. they go for about $110 and a box of 440 rounds will be $80. if you practise and can accurise it ect you will be set.

if small game such as birds/rabbits/cats/young pigs
get a .22 bolt action. there is no cheaper ammo and you can pick them up cheap and can take down larger game if you aim right (.22's have been known to kill black bears with eye shots.) eyeryone who says .22 is underpowered/will be stopped by denim ect is just retarded.

if both try and get an under/over .22/12 gauge, while expensive they use common ammo. .22 can be used for small game and accurate shots, while you can also utilise 12 gauge slugs that cna stop bears and bird or buckshot for hunting.

learn how to make and use snares too.
also pick up the SAS survival guide, it will teach you all the shit you want, prettymuch every survival book ever written is just a copy of ot or bullshit written by SUV campers. always trust the SAS guide over other books.

>>80236

OP here,

Probably gonna go for a .22LR and a 30-06, those seem to be the two recommendations that keep popping up. Also I've never read the SAS guide so I won't comment on it, but in my experience the best survival guide is FM 21–76, the US Army Survival Manual. The most basic, no-BS survival guide in history.

>>79865

Holy shit it really has been a week. And I thought /ck/ moved slow.

>>80236
Agree .22 is just "not allowed" to hunt with big game, but it will take it down. What about the combo rossi rifles that come with like 4 interchangeable barrels? I assume it's shit, but will still asks coz its cheap.
>>80199
>>80205
Not op but you caught my attention.
Good info.

Look into building a yurt op. they're semi portable and efficient for heating. No need for a fireplace, you can build one inside the center. Never built one myself, but have wanted to for a while

>>80370
>>80370

Links to info?

Sometimes i get banned for posting links so here goes

http://www(DOT)demonoid(DOT)me/files/details/1247291/001157222403/

The Complete Book of Self Sufficiency by John Seymour

>>80370
>>80370

I actually ran some ads on Craigslist trying to find an actual Mongolian yurt builder. Pro tip. Craigslist doesn't have a Mongolia section so you about the closest you can get is outer areas of China.

It seems to me most of the commercially available yurts are badly overpriced yuppy monstrosities.

Mongolians have been living in these for thousands of years and doing quite well for themselves. Even conquering most of the known world at one point. And all this with cheap locally made materials.

>>81513
yurts direct seem to have reasonable prices.
(be a man, get the 15M diameter one)

>>81513
yurt is technically a tent, meaning no permit etc could/would be needed and therefore no shitty developed land taxes. You could get low taxes by going for ag land in your case maybe a forestry conservation aka less than 50 bucks a year for couple acres

>>81520

That means I wouldn't have to own the land either, I presume?

>>81565
that's different, you could be trespassing, unless it was BLM aka public land, but I am pretty sure that there are laws and regulations on how long you can camp there, cutting down trees etc. What you could do is get an acre or even less and just hunt and snare around, since your idea is very very remote, I doubt you would be bothered by forest rangers or anyone else. Also, in many states anything under either 100 or 200 sq. ft. does not need permit. Another thing regarding hydro power is that you can not fuck with the stream too much in many cases you can get in lots of trouble, but again remote creek small turbine or wooden wheel and nobody will care.

>>81514
>>81514

How do you define reasonable prices? Ten grand U.S. for their cheapest and a hundred grand for the most expensive.

Also how is pvc a traditional Mongolian material?

Somehow I find it hard to believe the average Mongolian can afford one of these.

I will stick to my earlier claim that the yurts available for retail are manufactured by out of touch yuppies.

Is that the house from the cover of the
Barnstorm alum?

>>81862
you are right, yurts available in US are overpriced hipster stuff. However, what about the huge military tents like in MASH? Just a suggestion, have no idea about them.

>>81862
yurt in 3 days
http://y2u.be/mhwcWnaBgYw
although no offense, but no way you could come remotely close to that quality doing it by yourself.

Not sure if OP is still in the thread or not, but you should probably try backpacking before you decide to invest in land and serious tools.

For about $300 you can afford all the equipment you will need for a 2-3 day trip. if you like it that much you can invest in more gear and take your wilderness skills from there.

also extremely relevant to this discussion:

Les Stroud's diy documentary about him and his wife living off paleolithic existence in the far reaches off canada for 2 years.

whole thing is on youtube part1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4_fteTJQ_Q

>>81920
*typo corrections:

After his marriage to Sue Jamison in 1994, the two of them spent one year living in the Canadian wilderness living a paleolithic existence. They traveled to Goldsborough Lake ( [show location on an interactive map] 50°41′55″N 89°20′46″W / 50.69861°N 89.34611°W / 50.69861; -89.34611) deep in the Wabakimi and built a cabin with no metal, plastic, or otherwise manufactured tools. They took a store of traditional foods and attempted to supplement it by hunting and trapping. Family and medical emergencies brought them out of the bush on two occasions. Their primitive living experience was filmed by Stroud and released as the 50 minute documentary, Snowshoes and Solitude, which was named Best Documentary at the Muskoka Film Festival and Best Film at the Waterwalker Film Festival.

>>73232
kinda late, but earthbags can be filled with all sorts of building materials, like rice hulls for example which have an R-rating and in most cases you'd only need to pay for shipping. You're probably gonna be limited in what materials you can get in the wilderness, so maybe you can try earth berming the shelter.

http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Build-an-Earthbag-Dome/

Could also build something like this

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2039719/Simon-Dale-How-I-built-hobbit-house-Wales-just-3-000
.html


check for radon for whichever area you decide to do this in

http://www.radon.com/maps/

If you consider building a cabin (not a cabin out of logs) then these are good resources:
http://www.small-cabin.com/
http://www.countryplans.com/cottage.htm

I just read them and am considering doing something similar.

>>81906

A traditional Mongolian yurt is historically the longest lasting tradition of mobile housing known to exist.

I don't see why it is so hard to find one on the internet. I have looked and looked.

MASH tents would work but they don't have the heat retention abilities nor the ability to stand strong winds that a yurt does.

I think OP left

>>82820
>>81918

No, I'm back. Now to read everything posted while I was gone...

>>73229
>hillbilly pill heads
Lulz

>>83086
Great, longest running thread on DIY?
Also what's your budget?

I also want to do this. Anyone in Canada know any good places to buy land? I was thinking maybe the Yukon. It seems like the Alaska of Canada.

>>84458
>>84458

As an Alaskan I would like that statement elaborated upon.

Others can take it for what it is worth but what I am working on is just finding land to rent. There is so much up here you can't imagine. Some people will even pay you to babysit a remote property due to vandals.

I can't contribute anything else but .308 and 30-06 are your best bets for rifles. I recommend a single shot unless you're familiar with gun care, a bolt action is going to take more maintenance and you will rarely have any use for the faster second shot.

>>84458
Whatever you do, don't buy near rich cottagers like I did. You build something on your own that is less than 2400 sqft they get sand up their ass.

That said, plenty of land, few people.

>>84777
How was that hilarious situation resolved? Did it involve the Mosin-Nagant that was recommended earlier?

>>84637

What I meant by the Yukon = Canadian Alaska was that they are right next to each other, and have similar climate/biome types, and also not a lot of people live in either area. I just think it might be harder for me to buy land in Alaska seeing as I'm not a citizen and don't even live in the states or anything.

>>74782
>he was just kind of an adult child playing in his adult fort
OG neckbear

Buy an insulated shipping container and have it dropped off in the woods, it is much more resistant to the environment and makes for a decent habitat.

>>84926
Oh no, no big deal, really I'm going to be building a legit place soon anyway, and if they tell me to take down my bunkie, I'll just do it and set it up elsewhere on my property. .

See pic

Here OP, look for a magazine called "Mother Earth News". they have so many soloutions on how to live off the earth or just how to build a house.

>>85127
>>85127

As has been posted in similar threads Mother Earth has become a fuck huge sellout rag.

If you can find an older copy though they can be absolute collectors items.

Fox fire series is much, much better. You tube is also your friend. You can learn any damn thing on youtube.

>>85780
very true, seems like ME is nothing but a catalog of shit. Fox fire is really good and between torrents and youtube you will have so much damn knowledge not many books could come even close