/diy/ - Do It Yourself

>>615495
perforated drainage tubing. install it right, wind it around the foundation in such a way as to usher the water to low ground away from the house. it worked for us brah.

also i wish i inheretid anything :c

>>615495
>There is no way to insulate the walls from the outside

But you have to.

Water should not be able to penetrate the wall at all.

You could build a new wall behind it though.

I mean, 150 yr old is pretty fucking old and is probably due for a rebuild.

Also post pictures of the house.

(Cont.) Without other information it is impossible to suggest a solution. What is the whole thing, how is the ground soil, surroundings, etc, lots of other stuff. Just post a fuck ton of pictures if you really need any help.

>>615499
This. I've always called it a perimeter drain. Not too bad of a fix OP.

>>615495
Okay, so the walls are stone right? And only two walls have this issue? Are you on the side of a hill? Why is the house doomed? Is it damaging the wall? Is the house shifting because of this? Seems to me it should be pretty used to now after 150 years. Really you have two options: make sure the water doesn't reach the wall or remove the water once it passes through the wall. A drainage system is probably the answer in either case.

>>615499
>also i wish i inheretid anything :c

60 years of debt and medical bills coming your way

>>615503
pic

>>615512
i already have all that actually :C

>>615514
daaamn man you must be united kingdish. quite a cool place, and looks like a bit of a fixer-upper

>>615513
two walls have this issue, yes, I'm on the side of hill, Why is doomed? Well, I always belived that isulation should be from the outside. I do not have that option in my case.. I can probably remove water after is passed though the wall but in that case the wall will be constantly moist. Even on this thickness i think that is not so goon on the long run. Maybe I'm wrong..

>>615518
Yes it is cool place. It's de-facto a ruin but it has solid walls! Just to get rid of this moisture and then my plan is to start fixing the roof. (Old style, of course, with stone instead of clay - in pic you can see only half of the roof is covered in stone).

>>615518
>united kingdish
no, the house in in Dalmatian coast, Croatia.

>>615525
Ваша кућа је лепа.
Vaša kuća je lijepa.

Ово се зове француски мозгова.
To se zove francuski odvod.

This is called a French drain.
It should circle the back and sides of your house.
Some people use tar (petroleum pitch) on the wall under the soil.

Ви врло добро пишу енглески.
Pišeš Engleski vrlo dobro.

Clay drži vodu van.

If you can get some bentonite (clay) and mix it with the soil near your wall, you can keep much of the water from seeping into the ground there.

Adding a drainage ditch to divert the water will help, if you can do it.

Dam plates drilled on the wall?

They are meant to keep the water and humidity outside. It is really important to install them the correct way though.

Also drain pipes.

>>615514
Damn, OP, that is one cool old house. I drew this picture, it has a french drain, or drain tile as others have said, but since you have to dig down that side anyway, put up some concrete forms. Pour concrete in the purple area to just above ground level. It won't ruin the cool stone wall look, but will help water go down to the drain tile instead of inside.

>>615552
damn who's that hot bitch

That's a dope score op, sorry if you were close to them.

What sort of budget are you looking at?. Aussiefag here, so I'm not quite sure what sort of prices shit is there.

Hire an escivater and dig up the two problem sides. Install correct drainage, and possibly run to a dam or water tank. Repair any damaged stone and seal to ground level.

>>615589

>fat
>5-head
>not wearing proper safety equipment on site
>obviously bitch from expression
>glasses
>etc.

>hot

... You have no taste.

>>615514
Oh god its beautiful

You could dig out the sides with the hill and install retaining walls and drains. Hell even a pond.

>>615552
basically this.

you need to excavate all around the perimeter of the house down to below the foundation. then silt mat, water proof plastic or some kind of rubber paint coating on the wall that will be submerged. gravel, ag pipe, gravel, more silt mat.

only way to do it.

>>615616
wait a minute, what if the earth is supporting the foundation/walls? you can't let opie's house fall over D:

>>615495

1. Heavy anti-water insulation, preferably multiple layers of tar paper (dam plates won't work)
2. Drainage system including replacing some ground with gravel

Also brah, your house will be very cold

>>615616

DON'T you ever dig UNDER the foundation

>>615644
One should be careful digging around old stone houses. Stones are binded only with hydrated lime. That is part of the problem. Also, depth must be at least 6 meters for the outer side of wall to be properly done.

>>615643
my first idea, at first I thought it was silly but it just might work. in that case i must cover 90% of one wall with tar paper. MOTHER OF GOD!

also old houses are cold in the summer and keeping heat well during winter time.

Waterproofing the wall might work. Then again, the water pressure may break the wall. I still think it's better to waterproof the soil with bentonite.

>>615597
i was being facetious, it looks like she has a disability

>>615667
bentonite? no because it will crack unless its constantly moist. in this case problem occurs during heavy rain period.

>>615644
not under the foundation. but still below the floor level. otherwise you're not going to have propper drainageas the water table could still drain in through below your drainage system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daKQsoIuJvE

>>615675
being british is a disability?

>>615680
got this pasta from friend:

>"I would recommend the best below grade and hydrostatic pressure resistant waterproofing in the market...hot applied rubberized asphalt with a neoprene membrane reinforcement. It can be applied to mud slabs or sandwiched between similar vertical slabs, or simply applied on the foundation walls and tied to a horizontal mud slab if necessary. There is no better foundation waterproofing out there. It can resist full submersion, plant fertilizers, salt, etc. It can withstand methane gas. It is more susceptible to oils and solvents, but poly protection sheets can be applied over it in those cases. My argument for using the best waterproofing is that after all that investment, you don't want to face fixing a failure. Waterproofing failures are the most expensive repairs in the building forensics business. It's cheap insurance to do it right the first time."

Fuck.

There are several ways to waterproof the basement from the inside.

http://kosterwaterproofing.co.uk/internal-basement-waterproofing.html

http://www.doityourself.com/stry/h2waterproofbasement#.Uy-V96LiiSg

you can mix common hardware store chemicals to make a waterproofing sealer

just google "waterproofing basement from inside"

>>615689
>you can mix common hardware store chemicals to make a waterproofing sealer

hehe

>>615689
FYI OP don't do this, it makes mustard gas

Houses should be built on top of hills and in higher ground general so the water will run downwards away from the house. Of course not all hills will do since the soil and type of the ground matters too.

Dam walls described here:
>>615552
>>615616

Will stop the water from coming inside the house. They are usually used to protect the basement.

Underground perforated drainage tubing is used to make the water that get sucked in the soil to enter the the pipes through the holes. Then the pipe will lead them away from the house and into the cities main drain or in the country side usually to a ditch. These protect the foundation and limit humidity damage.

The rain drainage system starts from the roof. When it rains the roof will lead the water to gutter and they will lead them to ground. On the ground there is installed rain drain tubes which leads the rain water away from the house and eventually they connect with the perforated drain tube and they go to the city main drain of in the countryside into the same ditch.

Pic related: Rain Drainage

OP, I think it would not be a good idea to dig up the wall to install the drain and reinforce the wall. It is just too risky that it may collapse once the soil is removed. Instead, I recommend you dig a cutoff trench about 10 uphill from the house and install the drain there. The depth of the trench needs to be deeper than a line along the slope. Dig the trench and place a layer of 6mil poly along the downhill side and along the bottom. Use large spikes to hold it in place while you construct the drain and backfill. Construct the drain as per >>615538 and make sure to use free-draining backfill. The poly should extend to the top of the trench. The drain needs to be installed so that it discharges away from or below the foundation. Make sure there is a cleanout at the uphill end.

OP, I think it would not be a good idea to dig up the wall to install the drain and reinforce the wall. It is just too risky that it may collapse once the soil is removed. Instead, I recommend you dig a cutoff trench about 10 uphill from the house and install the drain there. The depth of the trench needs to be deeper than a line along the slope. Dig the trench and place a layer of 6mil poly along the downhill side and along the bottom. Use large spikes to hold it in place while you construct the drain and backfill. Construct the drain as per >>615538 and make sure to use free-draining backfill. The poly should extend to the top of the trench. The drain needs to be installed so that it discharges away from or downslope from the foundation. Make sure there is a cleanout at the uphill end.

>>615960
>>615962
>>615963
>>615995
Thank you. I will see to it. But still I will lurk for the "inside job". Those are common sense solutions. I'll lurk moar for the "inside job".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roirRQECvLQ#t=69

Here is an idea.

This way you will be able to protect the wall from ANY water from touching it at all thus removing the possibility of it being damaged by water in the future (by any reason at all) thus having to rebuild the wall aka rebuilding the roof aka rebuilding the house.

>>615502
>150 yr old is pretty fucking old and is probably due for a rebuild.

150 years is just enough for the foundations to have finished settling.

>>616036
excavating is not possible because it is not soil but rock. Walls will be vibrated to crumble..

>>616043
Then it's a simple matter of waterproofing the inside wall and draining the water away.

is the op picture accurate or is it a googled image?

>>616045
>Then it's a simple matter of waterproofing the inside wall and draining the water away.

hi-ho Silver away!

>is the op picture accurate or is it a googled image?

I used google image to present the situation. It is accurate in every way. Why?

Also you might want to put in insulations if you are working on it

>>616049
>It is accurate in every way. Why?
Because the construction is probably different if it's just a googled picture

Also, if the floor joists are timber, then it's probably fucked from the flooding

>>616050
will do

>>616051
This is classical stone wall construction. Maybe the block are bit larger, but it is the same building principle.

Also, the roof looks like it's been redone, is the other parts of the house original?

Why am I doing free work as architect

>>616054
>Why am I doing free work as architect
well in this economy!

put it on you CV

http://myanimelist.net/animelist/Ruggarell

take ideas from here
http://www.connecticutbasementsystems.com/basement-waterproofing/products/walls.html

>>616054
Entire house is original except part of roof coverings. Originaly, roof was covered with stone slabs (as you can see in pic). Upper part of the roof was replaced with clay covering to reduce weight. That is the only reason.

My plan is to reinforce the roof (or build a new one) to be able to support stoneslab covering.

>>616053
Can you take a picture of the floor, maybe with a floor board removed to inspect the joists?

Also I've noticed, the whole fucking thing is uninsulated (the roof tiles even have gaps ffs) so you should consider a major rebuild (creative solutions that will retain existing walls but will have new roof structure to actually allow insulation for example)

I predict the floor joists are all fucked from all the water.

And there you have it, a rebuilding project! This will be fun!

>>616060
Can you take a picture of the floor, maybe with a floor board removed to inspect the joists?

No because I'm out on work now and there is no boards on the floor. It is made of stone and it does not leak water like the walls.

>Also I've noticed, the whole fucking thing is uninsulated.....

I know it looks bad but the roof supposed to gave small gaps because people used to dry ham and bacon in the attic area. It is overlaped so no rain would come in .

>>616062
Floor is waterproof and in good shape. (for now)

>>616063
So your floor is okay - because your op picture is wrong, your floor is probably just a stone floor sitting on the ground (not a timber construction as the picture suggest).

That's good news I suppose.

Well I don't know about your country so you might not need insulation if the climate allows.

So maybe you will just treat the whole house like a big bath tub and put a drain along the inside parameter to drain any incoming water into the drain.

Right now, when the house is flooded, where do the water go?

>>616065
see:
>>615653
Water goes into room 1 (left side) then below the floor and into room 2 (right side) because room 2 is 1.5 meters below nivelation of room 1.

It's a problem.

>>616066
Below the floor?... ok what is the floor made out of I mean what is the structure?

1.5m below? ...Can you post pictures because it's really hard to understand

...If you have a room that is essentially below ground and water coming in from all sides... just... why

>>616068
Floor is built using clay and 15-20 cm stone slabs. Pretty heavy duty.

maybe this pic will be helpful

3 more pic I got.

1.roof

2. view from other side

3. last one The REⱭЯUM

>>616077
>>616078
>>616080
So, what do you think? Is it worth?

>>616081
Several thoughts:

1. Your walls are surrounded by high grounds, like on the other side you have steps and other things, but there is no waterproofing and drainage. You should put waterproofing outside but you can't dig. You shouldn't put waterproofing inside because... walls aren't supposed to let water through and over time it will fuck it up.

2. No insulation. But I assume it is not needed in your country. But if it is needed, you basically have to rebuild the roof, layer on new walls, and rebuild the roof, which requires you to basically knock everything out, which basically means a complete demolition (MAYBE except the walls).

3. Your roof needs to be rebuilt anyway, the timber looks pretty much nearing the end of its functional life. It looks like it's rotten in some places, and they all split. I personally don't like to have a roof that might come down any minute.

4. It's not worth the hassle to waterproof on the inside because it won't last and you are knocking out your floor anyway. So I think anything less than a complete renovation is pretty much not worth the effort. I'm talking about basically new functional walls inside existing walls (leaving only for aesthetics, even that is arguably too much hassle because it's not anything impressive, it's just "generic old stonework"), new roof (that will support insulation - no reason not to put in if new build), new floor (you can get away with just putting a new layer on top I guess).

5. If you can you should just try to dig around the house to below floor level and put down drains and waterproofing from the outside. That is the cheapest way to go about it really.

>>616088
Moment of clarity. Fuck!

I mean, it's 150 years old so to update it to modern standards you naturally need to rebuild it. It's just something inevitable I'm afraid.

>>616090
I don't want modern standards implemented in this house (except Internet). My intention is to keep or restore old style and to use modern solutiond for moist problem.

>>615538
>Some people use tar (petroleum pitch) on the wall under the soil.
I've seen spray-on truckbed liner used in the same manner

>>616092
Your old style is source of the fucking problem

There is no modern solution if you can't dig, it's fucked

>>615514
Are you missing a joist?

French Drains can also be installed in the inside. Digging around the walls, and installing a sump pump, or probably in this case just connecting it to an outside drain downhill.

>>616111
Lol... nice spot.

Yeah you DEFINITELY want to rebuild the roof now.

http://www.wikihow.com/Waterproof-Your-Basement

>>616116
Well, a new joist could be put in, and shims could take the bow out of the ceiling that would go in.

I would light up the roof from the inside, and take photos when it rains to see if there are any leaks. The blackened wood indicates past problems.

Of course, if budget it not a problem, then replace the roof, leave exposed beams, ect.

Dig hammer should make job with this solid rock...
other solution rent guy like this one to make job and buy extra bike...
U need to dig around this wall's min 0,8m around wall for safety...

>>616125
No, you would need to hire an excavator, with a jachammer, and OP said that he didn't want his 150 year-old walls shook up.

Seriously, my neighbor rented a jackhammer like that to break up some concrete, and gave up after a couple of days without making much of a dent.

>>616125
>electric jackhammer
That's so cute...

Well mayne, I'm Croatian too and I have a couple of houses on the Dalmatian coast.
I had a problem with one of them that sat atop a hill but had the slightest bit of stone coming off the side of it that collected water and condensed it into the house.
Well what I first did was ty all the drainage shit, but the dirt around the motherfucker still seeped water into it, so I had to do what you'll probably have to do, seeing that you'll need to rebuild the roof.
I turned down the wall and made a new one with stone from Brac.
I painted it to look old.

Also, you should really fucking rebuild that fucking roof.

I kuca ti prilicno dobro izgleda, ako mogu rec. Imam slicnu koju koristim za pijanke s frendovima i prekul je spavat tamo. Osjecam se kao neki Viking ili srednjovjekovni vitez.

>>615538
This is the most politically correct post ever.

>>616206
>posting in cyrillic to a latin based OP

I still think that you don't waterproof the walls unless you are building a boat. Calculate the water force on the wall as 62.5 lbs per cubic foot times half the depth times the size of the wall in cubic feet. Or you can use metric if you want. I think the best solution is to bank clay soil around the outside so the water flows away. You only need a slight gradient and bentonite is mixed with the soil. I was told that one teaspoon can gel a U.S. gallon of water. (about 4 liters / U.S. gallon)

>>616310
you're a fucking idiot.

>>616312
It takes one to know one.

>>616324
>It takes one to know one.

underage and b&

>>616335
Beggar in market place is def to song of mockingbird.

>>616335
Beggar in market place is deaf to song of mockingbird.

>>616347
And the dish ran away with the spoon.

>>616365
"The beggar sitting in the market place is deaf to the song of the mockingbird."
from "Casino Royal"

>>616043
>excavating is not possible because it is not soil but rock. Walls will be vibrated to crumble..

Then use a concrete saw.

Get a bid to have the rock removed by cutting it out, or rent a saw. Cut it in 3inch wide strips and pop the pieces out. Don't let rock stop you. You'd be supprised how fast a good saw and blade can cut rock.

Like so many have said, you need to stop the water BEFORE it gets into the house. The. only. proper. fix.

That, or sell the house.

>>616388
its stone. as if it would crumble. mortar has very little strength. its pretty much just to stop the rocks/bricks from shifting

^said concrete saw ^

>>616370
2deep4me

Are you trying to make some kind of point?

>>616389
>its stone. as if it would crumble. mortar has very little strength. its pretty much just to stop the rocks/bricks from shifting

Then re-grout the joints as you dig down.