/diy/ - Do It Yourself

Here's some torrents of Murray's Aquaponics DVDs. They range from amateur salvaged DIY systems to nice streamlined systems and there's tons of in depth info too.

http://thepiratebay.sx/torrent/5357600/Aquaponics_Made_Easy
http://thepiratebay.sx/torrent/6263904/Aquaponics.The.First.12.Months.And.Aquaponics.DIY.DOCU.DVDRip.Xv
http://thepiratebay.sx/torrent/5699014/Aquaponics_Secrets

I've recently started a garden and want to start Aquaponics. Thanks Anon

I want to get practice at this so when i have my own house I can use an outdoor greenhouse.

In the meantime, I've been looking at wheatgrass kits I can use with my blender. There are many, many out there. Any suggestions?

Here's some torrents for gardening books too,

http://thepiratebay.sx/search/companion%20planting/0/99/0

http://thepiratebay.sx/search/raised%20bed/0/99/0

http://thepiratebay.sx/search/gardening/0/99/0

>>464882
I want to try aquaponics too. I want to use more native species of fish than stuff like the Australian perch and of course tilapia.

Next on my list is a greenhouse though.

>>464886
You mean buy a kit or making a kit? It is fairly easy to make kits for stuff like that. You probably have everything you need to make your own kits right now. There's also several videos on youtube on how to make your own kits.

Bean and alfalfa sprouts are pretty awesome to start in a kit too. I love that stuff and the bean sprouts can go in so many dishes. They don't even need extra light. Just moisture and a jar/container with a lid with some holes in it.

You guys hear about this shit?

>Supreme Court Rules For Monsanto In Patent Case
https://www.google.com/search?q=Monsanto+patent+case

http://www.avaaz.org/en/monsanto_vs_mother_earth_loc/?cHdqLeb

>>464876
>Why aren't you taking control of what you eat and starting your own gardening, /diy/?
Because my severe carpal tunnel syndrome prevents me from using a shovel without being in agony for a week afterward.

Fuck my life. I want fresh food.

>>464907
Fucking excuses, u fat neckbeard.

>>464907
You don't need to use a shovel to do container gardening or aquaponics. This is how simple it can be.

I grow oyster mushrooms, herbs, kale, sugarsnap peas, onions, butternut squash, mustard greens, chard, raspberries, apples, and gooseberries. I don't do anything fancy like aquaponics with them though.

>>464907
A small aquaponics system is really cheap and easy to make. All you need are 2 containers, an aquarium pump, an air pump, and some test kits.

Why OP I have! Last autumn I took a previously useless part of my garden and turned it into a semi-raised (it's on a slope) bed, and this spring it's been planted for the first time. Sadly the weather in the UK has been so bad this spring it remains to be seen what I'll actually get out of it. Looks like I'll definitely get some beans, lettuce and spinach. Peas, tomatoes and raspberries remain to be seen.

>>465085

Oh yeah... I guess it's not really gardening-related, but I also breed cockroaches and use them to experiment with entomophagy.

Plants love cockroach poop.

>>465085
Nice. I wish my shiitaki mushrooms would flush. I inoculated a few logs and use them for borders around my black raspberry rows. They will be 2 years old this year, so I'm really hoping they'll be ready now. I may dunk one in some water to soak and see if I can force a flush.

I have a pretty big operation and love canning and trading with neighbors, friends, and family.

>butternut squash

PROTIP: you can use those in any recipe that calls for pumpkin or sweet potato and all 3 are interchangeable and mixable in any recipe that calls for them.

>pic from finding chicken-of-the-woods a few years ago

If I find them again I'm going to inoculating a bunch of stuff. These things are crazy delicious when breaded and pan fried exactly like chicken.

>>465091
Compost for plants is gardening related.

>Why aren't you taking control of what you eat and starting your own gardening, /diy/?

I own no land and I don't even have a balcony. Growing things inside with lamps is, economically speaking, retarded.

>>465100
Do you have a single window? (if not then you are living in an illegal apartment). There are many herbs you can grow on a window sill with minimal natural light.

>economically

It also has nothing to do with economics. at all.

>>465115
All my windows are to the north hence get no sunshine. The herbs would grow like shit. I know because I tried.

>It also has nothing to do with economics. at all.
It does for me because sunshine is free while running a 400W metal-halide lamp is not.

>>465117
Use a window box and a reflector panel. There should be enough light then.

Why not use LED grow lights instead of a 400w overkill lamp? you can even DIY one together really easily and use a salvaged PSU from a PC as the power supply. It shouldn't cost more than $15-$20 max to buy a 9x3Watt one off eBay or $5 to make one; it'd be pretty fun too.

Then again, you can grow all the sprouts you can eat without any light at all.

I've been trying to do lots of gardening. Right now the biggest project has been erecting a large 6' welded wire fence across a section of my property so I can let my ducks and chickens free range in about an acre or more of land in my orchard and pond.

I was going to be building a large chicken coop-tractor, but my connections found a decent prebuilt chicken coop for free. I traded 6 roosters and a potted plant for having the coop moved to my place.

Here's some pics,

1: Several bushel gourd plants that popped up as volunteer's in one of my gardens.
2: May ducks.
3: The chicken coop I had moved here yesterday. It needs a few nails here and there, but is solid as a rock.
4: A golden sebright bantam that came with the coop (it was a stow-away!)
5: My bantam chicken tractor.
6: An older temporary chicken tractor made from cattle panels.
7: Pineapple plants. I took the tops off store-bought pineapples and simply planted and watered them. They are doing really well.
8: My oldest blueberry bush is LOADED with blue berries.
9: My big cock.
10: One of several raised beds. It is filled with nothing but yard clippings and chicken manure. The grass clippings were 3 feet above the tops and have compacted down that much in the past week. It'll be ready next season for planting.

>>465117
>not enough light for plants
>don't want to pay for grow lights

Grow mushrooms! All you need is any place with minimal ambient light. Which should be anywhere in your house. The need that small amount of ambient light in order to grow correctly when they flush out and make mushrooms. You can even culture your own and make kits from mushrooms you correctly identify in the wild or just from your local grocery store. You'll either need a manure supply or a cellulose supply. The cellulose is the easiest one. You just need paper, hay, saw dust, wood chips, or even spent coffee grounds as your cellulose medium.

>>464892
mungo beans and lentils

my greenhouse. I built it from no plans. it cost me $350 u.s. it works like a champ. more to come.

>>465218

>>465219
some seedlings I'm transplanting today

>>465221
the beds I made for them

>>465222
my pumpkin patch. seeds started in the greenhouse. I saved the seeds from last halloween.

>>465223

>>465225
strawberry pot full of ripening fruit. this is my first year gardening. it's easy as hell. I'm also growing tomatoes. 3 types of squash. pickeling cucumbers. potatoes. .. the list goes on.

it's easier than you think. much much easier. don't be fooled by society. grow something!

>>465219
Very nice. What zone? It looks like it is well protected from wind. That is the main reason I'm making mine from glass (used patio sliding doors) and attaching it to the south side of one of my houses where it gets the least amount of wind and most sunlight.

>>465222
>bamboo sticks

This reminds me, I really need to prepare an area to put in some super-invasive bamboo from a friend. I figure it will have a hard time trying to get it's roots through a 2-feet deep wall of roofing tin. I want to grow a bunch of it for purposes like what you are using it for.

>>465125
Here's some more,

1 & 2: Here are my main blackberry patches. 6 rows, all around 70 feet long. I use these to make blackberry mead.
3: Rows of Yukon gold potatoes in one of my gardens. Except for strawberries, the rest of this garden (3/5th of it) will be dedicated to growing flint corn. It isn't up yet, so no pics of that.
4: Same garden, but showing the tons of volunteer gourds that popped up. There are 2 different kinds. One is a bushel gourd and the other is something I can't remember. This is where I got in #1 of >>465125 most of these and the weeds will be tilled under and more flint corn planted there.
5: One of many hives I have. Only 3 survived this winter. This is where I get my honey for the blackberry mead.
6: I did some mowing today. Here's 1.5 hours worth of work and it isn't even 1/4th of the amount I'll get from mowing the lawn this week. It'll be used to fill the next raised bed.
7: Another of my gardens. This shows hundreds of volunteer tomatillos that have come up every year on their own for the past...5 years. lol Icicle radishes also volunteer as easily.
8: Random plants, broccoli, sugar snap peas, carrots, volunteer potatoes, and a tomato all in this pic.
9: Raised bed dedicated to brand new strawberry plants. There are 3-4 varieties in there. It is intended to have strawberries coming on and ripening all through the year; dependent on the type of strawberry.
10: Partial pic of one of my grape vines. I pruned it heavily last spring and let it grow properly then pruned it heavily this spring and the amount of grapes bunches it has now has quintupled since last year.

>>465277

Wow, I love seeing this. Are you a regular on /diy/ ?

How much land are you working with? Are you within the U.S? I've contemplated moving from where we are and building another house on 3-4 acres of land. I'd love to have something like this on an acre

>>465282
>Are you a regular on /diy/ ?

Of course.

>How much land are you working with?

Actual land used for gardening, orchard, etc is less than 3 acres I think. The grass is included because it is used for mulch and compost.

>Are you within the U.S?

Zone 5b

3-4 acres of land is all you need to grow more food than you will be able to eat, preserve, or give away (depending on your methods of food production of course). Selling and/or trading your excess food is a very viable solution to making some profit to cover any expenses. I think my biggest expense is mowing the lawn due to fuel costs. Luckily, I have a grass catcher so I get some return for mowing.

>>465292
I'm in zone 7 currently.

Do you have any resources you'd recommend for a beginner. I'm interested in how to best utilize the land and the layout/design of how and where I should plant certain things or even some tips on what kind of land I should be looking for. I'd like to grow tomatoes, onions, potatoes, watermelon and some other fruits.

>>465300
Start with your diet and what you want in your diet. List all the foods you normally eat every day. Then look up recipes online for making those dishes. Find out what ingredients they have in common and write down their animal, fungi, or vegetable origins. Take that list of things and do some research on where they can grow. If you will have a greenhouse, you'll be able to extend the season and/or grow year-round.

Ask yourself what type of gardening you want to do. Do you want to till the land, do container gardening, have an orchard of normal trees, dwarf trees, or even espalier your trees? Do you want to do hydroponics, aquaculture, or aquaponics? Do you want to have a greenhouse, raised beds, or cold frames/hot boxes? Do you want to have lots of stuff or just a few things? With your list of animals, fungi, and vegetables, determine what things I listed above best suit them. You can learn about companion planting, intensive multicultural planting, and square-foot gardening all together.

But really, you need to tailor all of this to the amount of work you feel you want to do, the types of food you want to grow/raise, your location, and your knowledge.

In essence, you can grow any food, anywhere in the world, with the right knowledge and technology. You are not limited by anything other than your own mind.

>I'd like to grow tomatoes, onions, potatoes, watermelon and some other fruits.

For simple cost effective ways to get started now, you can use containers like 5-gallon buckets to grow all of that stuff. As for resources, I recommend you Google search terms like this, "how to grow beginner tomatoes" or whatever it is you want to grow. Don't try to read a book or guide for a well-rounded amount of info. That will only fill your head with things you are not growing and working with. Specialize your searches to you only get info on that one subject.

I live in a shitty trailer park, I have a boxed in dirt area behind and along side my trailer, With a cinderblock wall nearly 25 feet high.
I just sifted all the broken glass and dirty needles out of the soil the other day, dumpped some grass seed in the soil and turned it, waiting VERY impatiently for the grass to grow, later on I plan to transplant some ivy from the freeway down the street to the wall footing and try and make it take hold in the cynder block.
And I'm going to grow veggies (mainly potato boxes and hanging tomatoes) in my dooryard.
Just cause I'm planning on buying land to farm, figgure I'll try my hand at growing things in dirt.

>>465313
>Just cause I'm planning on buying land to farm, figgure I'll try my hand at growing things in dirt.

Good idea. You can learn a lot just from a little bit of growing. I've never done the hanging tomato thing, but I see it all the time on people's porches in the local town.

>>464907
Why not hydroponics/aereoponics?

>>465316
Ever look into potato boxes? there supposed to be great for tight spaces like apartment porches and shit.

What is this bulb? I have some more pictures at here
http://imgur.com/a/XxWaC
Bought this in February, I was told this was a tulip bulb, but appearantly, it isn't.

What a perfect thread.

I spent about 5 hours in a day then another 2-3 hours another day completely tearing apart this garden in my back yard. It was an absolute overgrown mess. Weeds, long grass, scraggly bushes, you name it.

After another day or so of tilling the dirt and making a fert layer I threw in some flowers, lettuce, tomato and squash to test the dirt. I expected nothing but they actually grew. Tomatoes got eaten by something but everything else is relatively strong.

I plan on terracing those rough boxes next season and planting a tobacco plant or two along with a fully loaded vegetable patch.

>>465363
forgot pic

>>465362
mebbe an Amaryllis

my bell pepper sprouting, should be another 15 or 20 sprouts breaking ground soon.

and a pit in my cement that I filled in with some excess dirt, sprinkled some of my grass seed - I had it covered with plywood si I didn't have to step over the mud, looks like being covered it made the grass seed sprout in only 4 days, the uncovered seed is still not sprouting, why? greenhouse effect?

I've been documenting my processes for turning the pile of shit that is my new yard into a cheap vegetable garden. As soon as a camera tripod arrives I'll start filming as well.
The plan is to create a series on you tube, showing successes and failures and how anyone can have a vegetable garden if they want (although I won't be focusing on container planting, as I'm dedicated to doing things relatively cheaply)

>>465361
It is just container gardening. Some people do that in plastic bags in apartments.

>>465362
What does it smell like when you cut into a bit of it?

>>465371
I'm sorry to say, but that is not a bell pepper. It actually looks like a mimosa tree. Pepper sprouts are pointy and the leaves are not at all like that,

https://www.google.com/search?q=bell+pepper+sprout&tbm=isch

>>465271
I'm in zone six.

>>465272
bamboo is awesome. I got a bunch free off craigslist.

>>465422
No. It is a bell pepper, I put a bell pepper top into a halved 2 litre bottle full of potting soil, watered it, about 2 or 3 weeks later through the sides of the bottle bottom you would see all the sprouts against the plastic, Then I dumpped it into a halved gallon jug, this is the first sprout to come through the soil.

Pic related, Its what I stuffed into the potting soil. Mind you this sprout is 1/8th inch wide and under 1/2 inch tall.

>>465371
Um, >>465422 is right, that's not a bell pepper.

Your dirt mix is all wrong, it is WAY to compacted, need loose airy soil for growing from seeds. Mix in some peat moss or something, or your seeds will not likely ever sprout.

Also looks too wet, but that could be the compacting or maybe you just watered. But if not, make sure you don't over water (should be moist not wet) and make sure your container has drain holes on the bottom and a layer of rock or twigs or something under the soil to help with drainage. Too much water will just make the seeds and spouts rot.

We recently planted a pot of spinach (5 plants), and since then we have been harvesting a decent amount.

We realized how easy it was (literally plant the seeds, water them daily for the first week or two, and forget about them as soon as they sprout) that we just got another 3 huge pots and planted lettuce and more spinach.

Next year we hope to do some tomatoes and cucumbers.

>>465450
You buried the sprouts in the new container? You probably killed em. sprouts are delicate, shouldn't move em until they get some height.

>>465450
This.....is a mimosa tree seedling. The seed was most likely already in the soil before you got the soil. It happens. Mimosa seeds are crazy easy to sprout too and they get into fricken everything. If there was a mimosa tree anywhere near where that soil came from it will have cast seeds all over the place, including in your the soil you got.

I should know. I grow both peppers and mimosa trees. A friend of mine has about 200 seedlings that have popped up in her raised beds this year. She has a big mimosa tree that overhangs those beds. They all look like this.

>>465450
Also, the bell pepper you used. Was it a green bell pepper or a red/yellow bell pepper? Only the bell peppers that are ripe and no longer green can bare viable seeds. A green bell pepper is just an immature red, purple, or yellow bell pepper. The seeds in the green ones are white and the same seeds turn a yellowish color later on when the fruit is finally ripe and full of color. the only reason people pick them green is because as they ripen they are notorious about rotting. So, a green pepper cultivar is far more difficult to ripen than other cultivars that are advertised as red/yellow/purple.

That feel when you live in Zone 5b and a lot of things you want to grow (like peppers) you really cant. And always have a god damn late frost (had one last week here) So you have to wait until June to plant even the things you can grow (like tomatoes....I lost half a dozen last week from a surprise frost...was only SUPPOSED to get down to 40 overnight, got down to 34)

>>465501
I live in zone 5b. Frost can be a bitch. Make a cold frame. I usually plant in April, 2 months before most people plant. Lots of people I know lost plants. I only lots mulberry buds on a couple trees. For peppers, I start them indoors or buy from a greenhouse. I only plant them where/when the soil is warm. Now there's this shit. Fucked up year for weather.

I kinda want to grow something but I live with my parents right now so the window is very small and space is lacking...what would be a good way to go about it?

>>465530
Can the window open? If yes then put a window box outside of it and grow stuff there.

The better question you need to answer is, "What do you want to grow?"

>>465568
whatever grows in the summer

Im trying to grow potatoes on paint buckets (20kg). Actually Im using just compost soil. But the weather here is actually a bit too rainy, and i feel that the buckets dont drain properly the excess of water, I dont known if potatoes requires too much water. Any advice?

Also which is a good companion vegetable for potatoes???

>>464876
>Why aren't you taking control of what you eat and starting your own gardening, /diy/?
Because I have a job and other interests when I'm not working and farming enough food to feed myself would take up pretty much all of my "free" time, so fuck that shit.

>>465092
What the texture like on those chicken-of-the-woods mushrooms?

>

>>465606
The texture is like chicken meat. It is one of those foods that is more like chicken when someone says, "tastes like chicken" than anything else I know of.

>>465583
>Vegetables for mid-summer planting
http://www.extension.umn.edu/distribution/horticulture/M1227.html

It depends on your area though. Find out when the first frost will occur and calculate how many days that is from now. Then find plants that mature before that amount of days and plant those.

>>465598
The bottom 1/4th of the container should be gravel or other spacer (soda bottles even) with a layer of paper over it and the soil placed on top. The container should always have drainage holes in the bottom to release excess water. As the water drains through and out the holes it draws fresh air and oxygen with it. The spacer in the container helps the water move through the soil fast, in case the drainage holes are a bit slow to drain. Fast drainage prevents root rot or in this case potato rot.

>Also which is a good companion vegetable for potatoes???

http://organicgardening.about.com/od/vegetablesherbs/p/potatocompanions.htm

>Beans, cabbage, corn, and horseradish all help potatoes grow better and improve the flavor of your potatoes when grown together.

>Tansy, nasturtium, coriander, and catnip planted nearby repel Colorado potato beetle.

>Interplant potatoes with lettuce, scallions, radishes, and spinach. All of these crops mature fast and will be harvested long before the potatoes are ready to harvest.

>>465605
The OP post said nothing about needing to be self sufficient. In fact,

>You don't have to be fully self sufficient.

Growing bean sprouts for various recipes takes less time and energy than it takes to use the bathroom.

>How to sprout
http://www.nourishingdays.com/2009/09/try-sprouting-for-optimum-nourishment/

>Recipes for bean sprouts
http://chinesefood.about.com/od/Bean-Sprouts-Recipes/Bean-Sprouts-Recipes.htm

As you can see, you have no excuse other than "I don't want to", to keep you from doing some form of gardening.

>>465688
Awesome. I'll have to try them sometime.

>>465692
I recommend using a pan-fried chicken/schnitzel method.

>>465696
I'm looking around for a source to try some (west coast here). Just based off what I see the west coast species are somewhat toxic.

>>465699
I don't think so.

People just have a bad habit of picking them slightly bad/old, eating them, and ending up getting sick from bacteria toxins. That is why you really need to get them fresh then freeze them ASAP to store them. Cook them well when you eat them.

I've talked with Paul Stamets about this and that is what he said at least (paraphrased that is). Also, they are also trying to culture the west coast variety at fungi.com so they can later have kits for sale. That was a couple years ago now and I don't know if they've succeed yet or not.

>>465612
Weird. Temps ranges here are Zone 5b to 5a but my area on the map is way up in the 6b - 7a range. Hell it got down to -40F one nasty winter many years ago. That's like Zone 2b-3a.

>>466392
Zone 3a reporting in

>>466392
Averages.

>>466498
Plants don't give a shit about averages. When it is too cold in Zone 7 to support a Zone 7 plant it will die. You need to plan for the extreme, not the average extreme. Otherwise, you lose your crops or your season will be too short.

>>466506
I concur with this anon.

>>465127
Survivorman says screw mushrooms during emergencies - the risk outweighs reward. Let the troll continue to eat young, hopeless, and dirty teenagers.

Red lettuce, good in salads.

Mint, great for cocktails and desserts

Broccolini, that's some gourmet shit right there. Got three of them.

Left, in pot, Jasmine.
Centre back: golden oregano and sage.
Centre middle: baby avocato!

Note: my images appear to incorrectly rotating during upload - I have no idea why this is happening. My apologies for the inconvenience.

Working with raw vegetables grown out of the ground and shit is Mexican work.

I can spend hours and hours tending and fretting over a garden, or I can join the civilized world and pay farmers to do it at a fraction of the true costs doing it myself when everything is factored in. They're already subsidized by my tax dollars, so why bother trying to compete with them?

>>466707
>Why should I make pizza rolls when I can have my mom put them in the oven.

I think you have a dependence issue.

>>466661
If you don't know how to accurately identify mushrooms then you don't have any business eating them from the wild. If you want to harvest from the wild, educate yourself fully for your local area fungi first.

Those that do not educate themselves and end up getting themselves poisoned hopefully won't have bred prior to their demise.

It is actually really fucking easy to tell poisonous ones from edible ones, especially when you go for varieties that don't have look-alikes.

>>466707
>Working with raw vegetables grown out of the ground and shit is Mexican work.

Human civilization was founded on the foundation of agriculture. I don't see how growing your own food makes one less civilized. What constitutes civilized pursuits for you?

> I can join the civilized world and pay farmers to do it at a fraction of the true costs doing it myself when everything is factored in.

You get what you paid for. If you like pesticide-laced vegetables and fruits with low nutrition value, be my guest.

>>466707
>I can spend hours and hours tending and fretting over a garden

Or you can just do what I do and only do a tiny bit of work like 15 minutes max and reap 200lbs of produce at the end of the season.

Oh, this one time, I planted a few peach saplings that sprang up on their own from peach pits tossed into the compost pile. They are already producing and it has only been 2-3 years now. They have amazing peaches and produce about 1 bushel per plant right now. My mature apple trees give me about 2 tons of apples each year too. I sell most of them for cash and trade a bit with friends and neighbors for some of their produce.

It's like wealth is growing on trees here and all I have to do is reach out and take it. It is amazing.

>>466707
>They're already subsidized by my tax dollars,

You must eat a tremendous amount of corn and soy products.

anyone ever grow potatos that come up great, nice and full vines, then suddenly the vines collapse to the ground? I live in Arkansas, grew up in tater country in Idaho, and I've never seen anything like this. I'm betting it's the fact my dirt is heavy clay, but anyone have any other ideas?

This is a good thread. I'm living in an apartment at the moment, and was half-mindedly thinking about setting up a window box. I've one long south facing window in my living room, I could probably fix a board to it to widen the sill (it's only three inches deep).
I know I can grow some small stuff with a window set up, but before I go through the sites and torrents linked here, what's the largest vegetable I could grow on this space? I doubt it, but would peppers be a possibility? Bell, mostly, but any peppers would do.

Also, I found this in another thread for all of you: >>466355

>>466726
I've seen that before. It might be too much water and clay. For my garden I trucked in sand from a non-salt water source and tilled it into the soil. I did that with horse manure, sand, and peatmoss.

Severe climate change can also cause that sort of problem. Like from cold to hot then cold again then lots of rains for a week.

>>466727
>This is a good thread.

check out the one in /out/: >>>/out/107101

> what's the largest vegetable I could grow on this space?

It really depends on the root space and nutrients you give it. Peppers can grow there, tomatoes too, but for potatoes you'd need a deep box. you need to look up the "days to maturity" for the plant you want to grow and see if it will mature before your first frost, if you have frost in your area. Some may be too late to plant right now and you might need to get a greenhouse one that is already pretty big.

>link to window thing

Saved. Though, I'd worry about windy storms wrecking it and sending stuff falling.

>>466735
Yeah, the window box in the link is neat looking, but seems a bit awkward for the heights it's designed for. Using it on a low floor almost seems better.

Thanks for the link there, I'm gonna read through the /out/ thread now. Even if I only end up growing some herbs, it's better than leaving the window empty. As regards frost, I don't see much where I am (Vancouver, BC) as compared to the rest of the province.

Thing is, there's allotments a street or so behind me, but I have no idea how to apply for one. They run for a good 6 or 7 blocks too, there's a lot.

Anyway, thanks for the info!

>>466707
Then what are you doing in /diy/? You can say the exact same thing for practically every thread here.

Also, some people think that "civilization" isn't so resilient as you seem to think. Might ask the Argentines for a practical lesson in that.

>>465360
>aereoponics?
What's that?

Can anyone help me? I'm going to be moving to a new house soon, and while I haven't seen the backyard on it yet, i don't expect it to be very big. I've been interested in growing pretty much any fruits, vegetables, or herbs. I don't know all that much about gardening though, and was thinking I would pretty much just plant everything in the ground and grow as much stuff as space allows.
A few questions though, first off, I wanna be able to always have some kind of food all throughout the year, so how would I go about doing that? As in, I don't wanna have some big harvest some time in the fall or whenever plants mature, and then go back to buying all my fruits and veggies from the store again. Second, how should I plan where to place everything? I know i'll have a better idea when I actually see it, but all I know now is I don't wanna waste any space in terms of space that could be used to grow something. I'm in zone 7a, so if I could get a list of what specific things I can grow, that would help in determining where to actually place what I choose to plant. I know I want to plant at least one fruit tree, more if space allows, some berries, some leafy things like lettuce and spinach, and various other items. And how should I go about amending the soil, all I know is it's gonna be pretty clay like.

>>466754
Roots are suspended in air. Usually involves spraying water and nutrient onto the root. Good for using less water, nutrient and giving roots better access to oxygen than other methods, but can be extremely complicated and expensive to set up. You can also cut growing times by a third or so for many plants.

Relevant to my interest:

How can I fix Shit-Grade soil? I'm talking muddy crap that turns rock solid when it dries up.

i've tried for two years to grow food and it all dies before it can be harvested.
all of the non-food plants/trees I grow, grow like crazy. It's like I'm meant to not grow food.

>>466777
If you can, just replace it all, as in mix up your own soil. If not, add some soil conditioners, compost, ROCK DUST, and some other additives if you can.

>>466719
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5RrGFBbbSY

>>466777
If the patch is small, vermiculite is pretty awesome.

>>466757
so any help on this topic...?

Everyone window box I'm looking at seems like it requires a permanent fixture. Can anyone recommend ones that are easily to remove that dont need permanent fixtures/

>>466757
--Zone 7a can grow most everything. Grow what you like to eat and make.
-Preserve your food through fridge, freezer, drying, pickling, water-bath canning, and pressure canning.
-Stagger the times you plant things so you have food coming on all through the season.
-Always plant more than one fruit tree and always plant more than one kind of apple tree; all for good pollination and fruit production.
-Use cold frames, hot beds, tunnels, greenhouses, etc to extend your growing season or grow year round.
-Use companion planting charts to plan out your garden spaces: http://farmtopreschool.org/pdf/2.3_CompanionPlanting_Chart.pdf
-Try gardening planner software: http://www.growveg.com/Default.aspx
-For clay soil, add sand from a non-salt water source (no beach sand!), add organic material like compost, and aged manure.
-Try out container gardening, in-ground "container" gardening where you only till a container-sized place to plant in for each plant, or try raised bed gardening. All these help you control the soil type with minimal work.

>>466802
/diy/ is slooooow.

>>466777
That sounds like clay. Add sand from a non-salt water source (no beach sand!), add organic material like compost, and aged manure.

>>466778
What happens to it? Is your season too short and it gets frosted? Do insects decimate it? Do they wilt, sunburn, brown, or ....? we might be able to help if you describe the problems you have with one of your plants. What are you growing?

>>466779
>If you can, just replace it all, as in mix up your own soil.

Containers and raised beds are great for this. that way you don't have to go through the work of digging up a plot of land.

>>466856

I'm scared to use those hot pressure canners, but I like how they can safely process everything in one rather than needing one unit for low acid and one unit for acidic.

>>466897
Indeed, if you have a pressure canner you can use it for both pressure canning and water bath canning. Which is really nice. I have a couple pressure canners and several water bath canners and stock pots.

Please, my dear /diy/nosaurs,

Does anyone have "The New Organic Grower" by Eliot Coleman ? I'm seeking it for eight weeks. Nothing found. Could you help me ?

>>466929

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/093003175X/ref=redir_mdp_mobile/175-0058176-9836369

79 copies available

>>466921

have you ever had one explode? Any tips?

>>466929
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/093003175X/fourseasonfar-20

I can't seem to find it, even though it is rather old.

I did find this,

http://thepiratebay.sx/torrent/5247926/400__PDF_BOOKS_ON_GARDENING

And lots of vids,

https://www.youtube.com/results?q=Eliot+Coleman

>>466935
No, never. I've been canning for over 30 years too. One pressure canner is older than I am.

>tips

Read and understand this,

http://fantes.com/manuals/all-american-pressure-cooker-manual.pdf

Always take your time, be patient, always review instructions before you pressure can, always review the needs of the food for pressure canning before you pressure can it. I do this every single time I go to pressure can. People around me who can on their own are CONSTANTLY messing shit up when they can because they don't go through a complete check list every time. Write down times, use digital egg times, etc. Keep track of the entire process. Always label your lids AFTER they have popped down, not before. Label them with the contents, date, and any other info like pounds of pressure and amount of time in the canner at that pressure.

>>466933
>>466942
Thanks my friends,

But I would prefer a pdf of this. the book is not in the torrent you found,

anyone ?

>>466856
Thanks for all the info!

cost benefit analysis indicates purchasing food from my local co-op. Economies of scale ya know.

>>465125
mhhh cat meat

>>467010
Even for bean or alfalfa sprouts you can do at home in a jar?

>mfw I've been prepared to grow my own stuff forever, just waiting for the damned non-gmo seeds to come in.

DWC Hydroponics FTW.

>>467107
>non gmo seeds
IE
> don't like higher yelled, high Resistance plants
that's fine good luck getting our unimproved plants to grow this season, i hope you enjoyed spending more for lower quality seeds as well

>>467120

You clearly don't even know what I'm doing. Your ignorant statement is rather astounding.

I don't want genetically-modified crap when I'm going to be breeding my own shit for certain characteristics.

Oh, and GMO plants tend to have less nutrition than regular landrace.

>needing resistance in controlled conditions
>can't even spell yield correctly.

Don't need high yield anyways - hydroponics provides for yields beyond what typical GMO gets in the first place.

>>465120
What do you mean, "sprouts"? Sprouts of what? Really interested.

>>467158

Oh, someone else finally wisening up to what I've been spewing on this board since its inception.

Wheatgras/barleygrass/alfalfa/bean sprouts and most any other starting sprout, really.

>>465292
How did you get that land?

>>467158
Brussel.

>>467158
there's a ton of diffferent things you can eat as sprouts

how can i discourage the neighbourhood cats from sh!tting all over my borders/planting beds? and what does the presence of 3 leaf clovers growing indicate?

>>467421
Shoot them.
Compost cats.
Or open teriyaki stand.

Oh and if anyone is wondering; my bell pepper sprouts are sprouting, though one has a mimosa like frond the others look spot on. And the seeds were from a orange bell pepper grown in a friends garden.

>>467427
yup buckwheats had already occured to me but I only just met my neighbours and they're not a complete bags of c*nts so I'd like to keep it friendly.

whats the best way to get rid of the rampant ivy that grows out of my neighbours garden and up our shared back wall? they're students, so they'll move out in a month and I was thinking of hopping over the fence while no one is living there and having a go at killing the main stump. is it worth bothering to cut any of it down at this point, or should i wait til later in the year when its not growing so fast? i spent hours cutting it down a few weeks ago to little effect and its grown back already. 2 years ago with the previous residents i spent a couple of days hacking it all back, and i'd rather not have to do so again in another 2 years.

I wanna thank you guys, I finally got inspired to do this and to look into aquaponics, I feel like this has been really good for me!
>pic related

I'm in zone 9a... Fuck this gay earth!

>>467421
Plant some catnip out of the way (in a pot or it'll spread). They'll be so busy with the 'nip they won't care about your borders.

>>467459
wont this just encourage more of them to come and to stay for longer?

>>467120
>wanting GMO-caused tumors

GB2/bed/ Brett D. Begemann

>>467158
I mean, as some other anons have stated, edible sprouts of various edible plants/vegetables. You simply put them in a container with a lid that allows air flow, but restricts insects. You rinse the seeds/beans and keep them moist enough to sprout in your container. There are various methods for various types of seeds/beans so look up the specifics for each one you wish to sprout. After your seeds/beans have sprouted you can eat them in salads or integrate them into various recipes. Asian cuisine has a great many uses for bean sprouts, from chow mein to egg drop soup and spring rolls.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bean_sprout

While being slightly annoying, this video is pretty good for instructions,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-1V4vtV8Yo

You can use jars you get from the store that contained other foods in then. Jars like that with metal lids can have the lid perforated with tons of holes (use sturdy knife, nail, or ice pick to make the holes) so that you don't need to buy a new jar or a screen lid.

>>467161
>Oh, someone else finally wisening up to what I've been spewing on this board since its inception.

You're not the only one.

>>467421
1: talk to your neighbor(s) about controlling their animals.
2: use a fence
3: use an electric fence
4: get a dog or two
5: every time you see them, squirt them in the face with a squirt gun/spray bottle that has a mixture of half vinegar and half water
6: use a live trap to capture them and return them to their owners
7: call your local dog catcher or similar functionary to come and remove the animals

7 is only really recommended if all other steps completely fail.

>what does the presence of 3 leaf clovers growing indicate?

It really depends on the type. What color are the flowers? If they are red then you have red clover and the ground under them will have an increase in nitrogen. If they are white clover, it doesn't matter, unless you have horses. Try not to pasture horses with white clover it isn't good for them.

>>467427
>my bell pepper sprouts are sprouting

Nice.

lol you should see my potted vegetables. The amount of other types of seeds that sprout up in the soil is amazing sometime. I spent 10 minutes picking maple seedlings and icicle radish seedlings out of my bushel gourd containers.

>>467452
What is wrong with Zone 9a? There's lots of stuff you can grow there. Here, check out this website,

>Plants by Hardiness Zone: 9
http://www.almanac.com/plants/hardiness-zone/9

See, there's tons of stuff that love heat.

>>467473
Give some potted catnip plants to your neighbors and have them plant them in their yard in a few places. Let them deal with controlling its spreading.

>>466506
>When it is too cold in Zone 7 to support a Zone 7 plant it will die.

I disagree. You can create microclimates to circumnavigate this problem, and you can protect your plants if you are diligent of extreme shifts in temperature. Proper landscaping will let you grow things outside their survival zones.

>>467639
>I disagree.

And, you are incorrect. When it is too cold in Zone 7 to support a Zone 7 plant it will die. That is a fact.

>You can create microclimates

Then it won't be Zone 7, nor would it be too cold. Of course you can use a greenhouse or anything else anywhere on the planet to grow anything you want. That isn't what the Zone maps are for at all. They are for open air gardening/farming sans a artificial micro-climate or even using thermal mass.

>>467010
>buy ton of strawberries from costco
>taste kinda bland
>grow strawberries in yard
>most delicious thing you have ever tasted

I really dont care about being self sufficent or saving money. But things grown in the garden and sun ripened simply taste better than factory produced plants ripened with gases.

>>467657
>When it is too cold in Zone 7 to support a Zone 7 plant it will die. That is a fact.

Yes,nigger, please explain how a plant in thaqt zone survives.

Protip: You won't.

>>467674
This is largely true, but not specifically because you are growing it at home.

The industrial foods you get at the store are grown from varieties of plants that are meant for size, looks, and max production. Their taste won't be all that great because of the use of chemical fertilizers, repressed genes, and monoculture environment.

Now, take your average home gardener's garden. There's a good chance that not a single variety found in the store will be seen in the garden. Many people like to use heirlooms too. A lot use compost-based fertilizers. They are normally not large plots of land and not mono-culture; even if a lot of people don't companion plant. All these things are why, most of the time, home grown vegetables will taste better than store bought.

For instance, I grow flint corn. I pick it dried on the stalk, remove it from the cob, use hydrated lime to turn it into nixtamal, dry it, grind it into flour, and use it in my cooking. When I make corn bread with store bought cornmeal and compare it with my own homemade cornmeal and cornbread, mine tastes a whole lot better. It has a real rich complex flavor when compared to the store bought stuff. There's so much of a difference that it is like tasting regular cornbread then tasting cornbread made with half quinoa flour and half cornmeal.

Also, the person you replied to mentioned a "co-op". Around here, those places are like a farmer's market and the crops are usually from home gardens and the like. If you are Johnny on the spot you can get great deals on good tasting vegetables.

>>467684
>too cold

This means the cold is so bad that the plant dies. If it isn't "too cold" the plant will live.

>>467697

>ignoring plant tolerances given proper conditions otherwise

Yep, you keep being a failure.

>>467702
What? You aren't even making sense. If it gets too cold for a plant the plant dies. We are talking about Zones for planting and that you should always plan for the worst cold snap and not just the average temperature. Another reason you plan this way is for the length of the growing season. The colder zones have shorter seasons and some types of plants far exceed the growing season before they become mature. So, you select plants for the coldest or make steps to protect them from cold snaps. This is a common practice among gardeners.

From your previous short trite replies, I'll assume you are a troll, but I typed out this information for anyone that wants to know it.

>>467727
>If it gets too cold for a plant the plant dies.

Totally dependent upon plant and the area that gets cold. Most plants can tolerate root temps near-freezing and just shy of 102F.

>We are talking about Zones for planting

General guidelines. Plenty of spots in Zone 7 areas with Zone 5 conditions. Try living in SoCal or Arizona sometime (both have areas from Zone 3-Zone 9.)

Signed,
Your California Agricultural Expert
Experimental Maintenance Director - Citrus State Park, Van Buren/Dufferin Ave.

What's sad - one of my court workers pointed this thread out to me. A criminal GED holder apparently knows more than you.

>>467746
>one of my court workers
>court workers

>A criminal GED holder apparently knows more than you.

Not even a part of this conversation but, damn... You're good. Thanks for the laugh. Perhaps your CO-worker should proof read for you in the future.

>>467746

Your argument is weak. If you're in a zone 7 pocket in an area that's dominantly zone 5 you're still zone 7... Not zone 5. Just the same as a greenhouse in a zone 4 that's built for tropical plants does not qualify as a zone 4 much the same as living in a submarine doesn't make a person a fucking fish. Don't be an idiot.

>>467746
>too cold

That means death for a plant. It isn't "almost too cold" which is what you are talking about.

You don't do any gardening do you?

>>467746
>Experimental Maintenance Director
>Citrus State Park
>a park with an all volunteer, no-pay staff that doesn't have that made up title

>trolling this hard

lol

>>467537
>>467541

thanks but i live in a small terraced house, our gardens are very small and the cats dont have many places to go so the only viable option so far is 5, but I can't be out there 24/7 watching for them and i'm not sure my neighbours would be too appreciative of it either tbh. There used to be some sort of ultra-sonic cat repelent device here, but it seems a little cancerous and/or unkind, are these effective?

my immediate neighbours either have an over-run ivy ridden garden (which the cats love because they can hide in) or a yuppy non-garden with just a few potted plants and no beds/borders.


i'm colourblind so i had assumed the clovers were green, maybe they're not clovers though. i'll look into it further tomorrow.

>>467436
bump for some advice on dealing with this please.

>>467904
>bump for some advice on dealing with this please.

Just keep trimming or ask to have it removed.

The clover color I'm referring to is the color of their blooms, their flowers.

As for the cats, talk to your neighbors.

I can't let this post die, so bump!

I ordered 3.5lbs, on the cob, "maiz Morado", the other night. It is Peruvian purple corn. I'm hoping it will be viable and I can plant it. I'm hoping my location will be good enough for it to mature and give me some more corn.

>>467792
>a park with an all volunteer, no-pay staff that doesn't have that made up title

Yep, you just showed your ignorance.

Shows you know nothing.

Come back when you're the research director of agriculture for an entire state.

>>469090
>still continuing to lie
>obviously not knowing shit about real world gardening

GB2/b/, trolling is not allowed outside of /b/.

>>467528

I'm not a big fan of the current way of handling things in the GMO-industry myself to say the least, but that particular picture represents everything that's wrong with the counter movement.

Crappy 'research', not worthy of the term, using ridiculously small test and control groups consisting out of rats known to be prone to tumors when fed a dietary surplus. The original French research paper was a classic example of missing objectivity, 'fudging' results and statistics to fit ones needs. Anyone with knowledge of proper conduct recognized the bad science behind it, but the media of course liked some pictures to scare people with. At the very best they proved that getting really fat makes you sick and prone to disease.

Their lousy excuse for scientific research creates a precedent to refer to for dismissing proper experimentation out of hand. They undermine their own goals by casting a shadow of discredit over similar research being done properly.

Not the anon you were responding to, though.

>>469090
could you please subjugate only one thread with your horseshittery?

>>469324
>Crappy 'research', not worthy of the term

The backlash and damage control was so hard from Monsanto, its child companies, and scientists on their payroll that I honestly can't say who is right. If you ask me everything is suspect. The track record of Monsanto does not bode well for anything they say to be the truth.

However, I will not knowingly buy, grow, not ingest GMO products. There more wrong with it than just how it acts in your body, as you state in your opening remark.

Here are some minor updates to my gardening. There's nothing much to tell. I've just been weeding now and then, watering, and watching things grow. It's been kind of boring actually. Though, I need to mow the lawn and prepare the next large raised bed with the clippings from last time.

1: One of my gardens.
2: One of my raised beds with strawberries in them.
3: Potted bushel gourds.
4: Yukon Gold potatoes
5: Misc. crops; broccoli, sugar snap peas, carrots, tomatoes.
6: Carrots.
7: The first bell pepper.
8: The first tomatoes.
9: Volunteer Lamb's Quarter. I eat some of these raw 1-2 times a day.
10: Better view of the strawberry bed, prior to watering, after weeding.
11: A fence row full of honey suckle blooms. Some years I make honey suckle bloom mead or wine with these.
12: I had to put gravel in the tops of my plants to keep the raccoons from digging them up to look for insects and larva. I'll need to do the same with my potted bushel gourds.
13: My hardy banana plant. The first stalk died off over the winter just after these two stalks started. I may be able to divide it the next time I repot it, next year. The bricks are to prevent raccoon damage to the roots.
14: My flint corn and popcorn are both finally popping up well!
15: The blackberry rows look much the same.
16: Some rhubarb.
17: Tons of volunteer bushel gourd plants.
18: One of my concord grape vines blooming.

>>469084
What's the taste like?

>>469084

Cool experiment.

Looks like a flint corn. Do you have a mill to grind it?

>>469358
>Monsanto
>I honestly can't say who is right

Monsanto itself is pure evil. The same can be said for many biotech companies imho, patenting genes en masse. I'm not contesting that at all.

I just see no objective reason (yet!) to write off GMO's in general. Genetic engineering in itself is a technique like any other in the sence that it's not inherently bad or good, but it can be (ab)used to do both. As a chemist, it's not my field of expertise either, but I like to think I grasp most of the content in the research papers. I encourage and even join in the skepticism, wanting to avoid a new asbestos or thalidomide debacle. More research indeed should have been done before the large scale application we see today, in my humble opinion. However, the fear mongering without proper insight that most hippie 'green' movements resort to enervates me to no end, on par with Monsanto's lobbying.

I do share your contempt when it comes to all the economical politics and lobbying involved, making it hard to judge the quality of the information and research.

>>469367
Looks really awesome. What do you mean when you say "volunteer"?

>>469385
No clue. I haven't had it yet. There's a drink you can make from it though.

My other flint corn are really good for making nixtamal and masa. I have some dark purple stuff, but not as dark as the maiz murado.

>>469387
>Do you have a mill to grind it?

Yes.

>>469408
A volunteer is any plant that grows up on its own that you did not plant that season. This happens a lot when you use one plot of land multiple seasons. You'll have seeds from last year's plants that fell on the ground and come up this year.

I've had volunteer tomatillas and icicle radishes for around 5 years now I think. I only planted them once and they've been coming up as they please every season. I have yellow pear tomatoes that do the same thing usually. though, I've not really seen any this year that much.

From an ethical standpoint, I think it's better to provide genetically modified foods to people in starving countries, rather than sending in troops to gun them down.

Nobody forces them to drink the koolaid, they do it of their own free will.

The same goes for lazy people in any country, not just the third world. If people want to poison themselves, that's their business. I don't eat processed foods, so it doesn't affect me.

It is kinda sad that some people don't know, but it's not like anyone has been keeping it secret, it's not some big conspiracy, it's just common sense. There are too damn many people in the world who serve no purpose whatsoever.
Reducing that population should be a top priority.

>>469462
>Nobody forces them to drink the koolaid, they do it of their own free will.

Ignorance can be a big problem, especially when companies actively try to keep people ignorant and set up situations to vilify people that try to counter them.

>it's not some big conspiracy

A conspiracy is when a group of people get together to do something illegal, usually in secret. This is a conspiracy. However, these people (Monsanto) have lobbyist who can get laws changed into their favor so that what they do won't be illegal.

Even just 20 years ago, the information age was revving up. People now have access to a wealth of information that surpasses anything in human history. The problem right now is that core society has not evolved enough to know how to utilize this info proper to educate themselves.

When society finally catches up, companies won't be able to do what they've been doing for decades now. You can already see the change. We are having this conversation after all.

>>469469

education has little to do with it. college graduates still put things in their bodies, knowing full well that it's not good for them.

you can't get cancer without caffeine, so what do they do? they build cafes all around the world, and drink the stuff like they can't live without it. soda is another issue, parents made bad decisions for their kids, and sometimes they carry that into adaulthood, but many are smart enough to break those habits.

As you correctly pointed out, there's nothing illegal going on, so it is NOT a conspiracy, even if there are secretly meeting and plotting.
we just make knives, we don't kill people with them

>>465127
Dude wtf! That looks gross, keep in mind that you have to live there, and perhaps host some guest too without them being scared you breed facehuggers..

>>469478
>we just make knives, we don't kill people with them

It is more like, "We just make knives, we don't kill people with them, but we make it so people want to kill each other with them."

>>469462

Man,” said the Ghost, “if man you be in heart, not adamant, forbear that wicked cant until you have discovered what the surplus is, and where it is. Will you decide what men shall live, what men shall die? It may be that in the sight of heaven you are more worthless and less fit to live than millions like this poor man’s child. O God! To hear the insect on the leaf pronouncing on the too much life among his hungry brothers in the dust!

I planted 5 plum trees a month ago so my future family can eat their own jam. I also have 2 sour cherry, one pear, 4 apple, one cherry tree and some grape enough for 150l of red wine each year.

Planning on planting some blackberry and rapsberry bushes as well.

Trees, bushes and grape are awesome because there's only a little work with them. Just plant them, trim them once a year and you get free fruits.

>2013
>not growing salvia divinorum

>>469688
Where'd ya get ya seeds from?

>>469688
2edgy4me

>>469688
How about some crazy Salvia Officinalis?

>>469687
Nice, I like hearing about stuff like that. Your blackberry/raspberry canes should hit full production in their 4th season. I have a welded wire fence for mine so I can use twine to keep the canes under control.

What varieties are the apple trees?

>>469658
lol GB2 bed, Charles.

>>469688
so edgy

>>465082
What type of fish are these, and can you eat them?
Looks very small

>>469744
That is a googled image, fyi. Those look like perch of some kind, sliver perch maybe and yes they are edible .

>>469687
Mine died this winter and the legislation rules it an illegal substance. I cannot even get another one, fuck me pink.
>>469707
It is a hybrid plant. Look it up. Seeds won't get you anywhere.

>>469688
>fénykép

>>470095 This poster here

Would you have a spare plant for sale, Hungarybro? (keeping it English out of common courtesy)

>>465127
can you elaborate or point me in the direction of how to grow mushrooms from the store. starting with no mushroom knowledge here.

>>470186
Seconding.

Might it be worth it to start a dedicated mushroom thread?

>>470186
>>470209
Here's the long process,

http://www.mykoweb.com/articles/cultivation.html

However, you can do it a bit more simply, but you may have contamination issues. Take the mushroom you want to grow from the store and correctly identify it. If you don't do this, you'll not know how to properly grow it at home.

you can buy kits like in the image you replied too. Once it is spent you can make tons of other kits yourself from it,

http://fungi.com/shop/mushroom-kits.html

Take those button mushrooms everyone has on pizza. Those go by tons of laymen names. The scientific name is, "Agaricus bisporus".Once you've identified the type of mushroom, you need to look up what growing mediums they like. Get some of that and bled your mushrooms and some in with it using a standard kitchen blender. Make a slurry. Pour this slurry into bags or containers with the rest of the growing medium. Keep the temperature and humidity inside the container at the right place for that type of mushroom. Wait until the while fuzzy hair like tendrils cover everything in the entire container. Then try to get it to flush (produce mushrooms) according to that type of mushroom.

You can use hay, sawdust, used coffee grounds, etc with many types of mushroom growing.

>Small Scale Mushroom Production Agaricus bisporus
http://www.nr.gov.nl.ca/nr/agrifoods/crops/veg_pdfs/mushroom.pdf

>3.85GB of videos and material about mushroom growing
http://thepiratebay.sx/torrent/4970660/Mushroom_Growing_Literature_Video_Collection

Also, there are many guide and some really good videos that make things really simple. Many mushroom types are the same, so don't toss out the info about psychedelic mushrooms since a lot of the info is really good and can be applied to culinary mushrooms as well.

>>470218
Laundry baskets do make great containers for mushrooms to flush from.

I just got a shipment of Peruvian purple corn (maiz morado) this morning. It looks awesome. Removing it from the cobs was extremely easy, unlike the flint corn. The kernels are really large too. I have a few kernels in some water to soak then I'll place them in a bag with a damp paper towel and see if they sprout. If they do sprout, I'll plant them, but if they don't sprout I'll just make a batch of "chicha morado". So, there's no lose really,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicha#Peru

The saucer in the bottom right image contains 100 kernels. The bowl is about 3 inches deep with kernels and the corn cost $33 including shipping.

>>466929

Same author, different book.

http://libgen.info//view.php?id=588064

1 week ago

>>470254
<-today

I've planted a mung bean in soil last week, it just fully sprouted today but its cloudy today

I'm growing a few in test tubes with a bit of water at the bottom (1mm)

>>470246

Damn, so jelly.

>>470262
This is where I got it,

http://www.amigofoods.com/pefomamo15oz.html

I'll post ITT as to whether the seeds are viable for planting.

>>467421
Use a permethrin powder. Toxic to cats.

I just built a box and filled it with compost for my garden two weeks ago. My friend tells me to wait maybe another week to let all the compost decompose and then I can start planting. I'm around south Florida so do you guys have any suggestions on what I can try growing? It's been raining everyday lately so how much of a problem would that be?

>>464887
get a green house before you try aqua ponics. A green house lets you grow things year round, where as aquaponics for a beginner can be a huge headache and makes you want to give up on life if you fuck up the wrong things

>>464907

Yah I doubt that. My wrists are fucked up but it really is only an issue if i try to chop wet wood all day. What you need to do is get some basic wrist exercise machines and build them up again so you aren't a weak little bitch.

>>470382
not OP, but I own one of those in pic...they suck. The wrist resistance is good and all, but the plastic is too hard on the front to use the back of your hand to fight the spring, and the slider on the spring will no matter what crawl up your forearm and ruin your rep. Really wish there was something else that you could wear throughout the day like this though. I kicked around the idea for building an arm exercise sleeve that would just be a whole bunch of spring resistance for all your motorskills in your arms (wrist, fingers, biceps, deltoid, lats, and wrist). Since it's not using weight to workout your arms, you could wear it without damaging your joints...I'm just not a playboy millionaire so it's never really gone past the "that'd be neat" stage.

Polite sage for being off-topic.

>>470221
do you really want to eat all that plastic with your mushrooms though?

>>470425
Ive never really had that problem, but I don't do a serious workout or anything with it. My point was that if you are cripple-tier from doing absolutely nothing but playing vidya all day for 10 years, a few turns a day every day on this cheap little thing can fix you right up pretty fast.

You must have some crazy strong wrists if you got to the point where you want to wear something like that all day long.

>>470440
The growing medium and the plastic doesn't transfer in that manner with those types of containers. In plastic bags it will.

>>470425
>>470444
You can toss out the equipment and use your other hand to give you all the resistance you need for the work out. The bonus is that you'll be working out both hands and wrists at the same time so it will take half the amount of time to do both arms.

>>470444

I don't consider anything in my body to be strong really. I dislocated both my wrists a few years back, and fractured a couple of knuckles on my left hand. I find that if I'm not working them out through an intense job (was fine when I was a wildland firefighter), they flare up and cause problems (giving out when trying to move something, cramping up while playing guitar). I own and use a gripmaster somewhat frequently, but I rarely ever use that wrist machine because of how obnoxious it is to work with.

I'm currently working a new job that's outdoors most of the time, so hopefully i'll get my wrists and hands in better shape.

sage again for off-topic.

>>464876
It does matter if you live in a Tiny apartment.

I, for one, would not eat food grown in the middle of a smog-polluted city where atmospheric gunk containing rubber particles, lead, and other heavy metals accumulates in inch-thick layers in my gutter.

>>470501
>I, for one, would not eat food grown in the middle of a smog-polluted city where atmospheric gunk containing rubber particles, lead, and other heavy metals accumulates in inch-thick layers in my gutter.

you don't need it in your food, lol you breathe it all day long as it is.

>>465300
>tomatoes
A 5 gallon bucket should be able to support a single tomato plant. I suggest using a 50/50 manure to soil mix. For extra success use a variety designed for container planting.

>potatoes
Get one of those half-barrels and start with a thin layer of dirt on either side of the potato. Once the pl,ant reaches about 4 inches in height cover 90% of the plant and repeat until barrel is full. Water often and watch out for ants and you can get a large haul.

>>465313
>hanging tomatoes
Avoid topsy turvy style planters. Tomatoes need at least 5 gallons of soil.

>>470501
lol You're breathing that, dude. If you have a plot of land or a balcony just make a greenhouse and garden inside that. If you have neither then grow your stuff in your apartment. I'm also sure a jar of sprouts isn't going to get all those pollutants.

>>469084
>>470246
>>470265
Great news!

These seeds are viable! Now, I'll soak all the seeds in water and get them going. The seeds you see here were put into water to soak for 8 hours. Then I placed them on a wet paper towel inside a plastic ziplock bag, puffed it up with air, and set it in a warm spot. I have a gas stove so the pilot lights for the burner caps provide plenty of warm heat. I placed the seeds on a plate and rested it above the are where one pilot light is.

The entire process from soaking them in water, keeping them warm, to just now took about 20 to 21 hours. Normally, they sprout in 5 to 14 days. The above method is what I always use to get seeds moving along super fast. They love the heat.

>>470700
We should start a /diy/ seed bank, or even a spore bank, and exchange whatever crops we have that aren't common enough to get at the store.
Not that you'll have any purple corn to trade for another grow season :P

>>470744
That would be neat. There's so many different types of plants out there that have been either patented to prevent their proliferation or simply bullied out of the markets. Hell, most seed companies are just child companies of Monsanto.

A 4chan seed bank would be cool. I wonder if some sort of "anonymous"-like mailing system could be set up in a PvP way? lol It'd involve P.O. boxes without using names.

In the mean time, how about seed banks that haven't been corrupted so much?

Here's a seed bank for researchers and farmers were you can get starts,

http://cipotato.org/

It has a lengthy and somewhat complicated sign up process, but you can request anything they have and get it for FREE. Be warned, finding the right variety might take time. their massive database isn't for the faint of heart and you can't simply google the names and designations because many are not even referenced online at all.

>>470765
Oh, since the last time I ordered from them they made this:

https://research.cip.cgiar.org/red_varie/images/Catalogue_Varieties2010.pdf

Which has outstanding info on what the potatoes are, how to best grow them, and how to best use them.

>>470765
The only "seed" you would receive would be distinctly mammalian in nature.

>>470773
I see you are new to inter-4chan relations involving mailing stuff. You should probably return to /b/.

>>470664
>>470573
He can have an air filter inside his home

>>470988
I'm glad I live in the country. I'm sitting here with all the windows open and the sound of frogs, crickets, and a whip-poor-will filling the air.

>>467120
>wanting seeds for max yield
>not wanting seeds for max flavor
Do you even into food?
Also, are you farmin some thousands of acres and want to make as much yield as possible?
Or do you enjoy eating RoundUp?

>>470989
>I'm sitting here with all the windows open
>sound of frogs

Bunch of obnoxious assholes, those French are

>>469478
A lot of companies bully out of the market better/healthier products, or do campaigns against them
Also, >monsanto in charge of FDA, most food companies seniors in charge of goverment agencies regulating the food market

>>469462
>From an ethical standpoint, I think it's better to provide genetically modified foods to people in starving countries, rather than sending in troops to gun them down.

The problem with that is that farmers from those countries become fully dependent on the transnationals selling the seeds

>>470989
Enjoy your mosquitos

>>470765
Would we have to stay anon?
The rules say, no releasing personal info on 4chan. But if you email me, we could correspond normally, not saying I'd just hand over my info. It would make the P.O. boxes less necessary though.

I work at Lowes, and did so for the materials discount while I work on a flip home. Got heavy into plants since biology and natural sciences were always a strong interest of mine in school.

>>>It's fucking crazy how much of a diverse selection you can get of each species, if you're willing to look online and not buy GMO shit.

I have been looking up ways to make small profit on it as well, but that'll take a lot more exp. points.

>>471009

>>465091
more protein than growing beans

I live in the hills and between the gophers and deer I can't imagine anything lasting long. Thinking about buying a bunch of earthboxes though, anyone have any suggestions or alternatives? I could just get some of those huge storage tubs but I'd rather something that looked slightly less tacky and none of the generic plastic looking pots are big enough to grow tomatoes.

I don't know what to plant that would help my family. We all lost our jobs and are going to lose house eventually.

>>471086
Food you normally eat, also, food that your neighbors like, you can sell it

>>471078
a planting box with a wire mesh bottom will stop this. also a fence to keep deer out.

>>471053
could just make an alternate webpage, sort of like a 4chan seeds craigslist/kijiji

>>470218
>>470221
Great stuff. Thank you.

>>471101

Yea I can just use wire around the box to prevent the deer, the gophers are the real issue. Planting box it is!

>>471070
B. Dubia in that image are 35.6% protein while B. Laterallis is 36.5% protein.

Dry roasted soybeans have 40% protein.

Cats keep trying to lay in my jalapeno plants, they are in fairly large pots.
What are some NON-LETHAL ways to keeo them out of the plants? I emphisize nonlethal because i love those cats, i just dont wannt em killing my jalapenos.

Thanks

I'm excited to read this thread. First time gardener here, got a cheap 20x20 community garden plot a few weeks ago. They rototilled it but I went in and potato fork'd the shit out of that soil afterwards, too. Then I made about 8 rows (next year I will have fewer, but longer, rows, I think, and no middle walkway) by trenching out some walkways between the mounds.

I got a lot of stuff in the ground but I really have no idea what I'm doing, haha. An old retired farmer in the plot next to me reassured me though, "Despite your best efforts" he said, "things'll grow."

Here's a picture of my humble beginnings, and a messy map of the plot. I started it on graph paper, thinking I might micromanage where each seed and plant would go. Threw that idea out about 5 minutes later in favor of fuzzy measurement.

Because I have nothing else to do all summer, I'm planning to get real OCD about record-keeping though. Weekly reports per row with growth, evidence of bugs, yield (what else?)

Anyhow, is this a good start? Any tips (especially about watering.. how often/how much)? I believe I'm in a "Zone 3" area, though I haven't looked too much into what that means.

>>471315
Get some citrus spray from a pet store. It is to help keep cats off various things because they don't like citrus. Just don't get it on the plant or in the soil.

Another cheaper, more passive way would be to install some sort of obstacles that renders the area unsleepable. For instance, you can fill the area with short sticks spaced 3 inches apart in a grid pattern.

>>471341
>400 square feet
>first time gardener

That's ambitious, but well worth it.

Add things like weather, temperature, hours of sunlight, soil pH, amount of precipitation, humidity, etc. to your charts. Cross reference those things with your plant-based statistics and see if you can find some correlations.

Zone info is how cold it gets in the winters. Your growing season, when unaided by microclimates like thermal masses, greenhouse, or poly tunnels will be from last frost to first frost. The colder your zone the smaller your growing season usually is.

>watering

Don't let things dry out and don't let things stay sopping wet.

>>471189

It isn't the amount, but the quality.

>>471363
Technically, I'd take the roaches over the soy. I've had both and the roaches were better.

Any info on how to greenhouse year round in colder climates.

I know composting in the same greenhouse will produce heat, but at what limits is this effective?

>>471439
>but at what limits is this effective?

Too many variables. It depends on the weather, the greenhouse, the thermal mass, the amount of composting material, the amount of new composting material, etc.

>>466619
More pics like this, but in non-shit quality?

>>471315
I simply fenced off my vegetable patch with some wire and a nice /diy/ picket gate. They could easily jump over it if they really want to get in, but they seem too lazy to go through the extra effort 99% of the time.

>>471341
>fuzzy measurement
> real OCD about record-keeping though

Fuzzy measurements is as precise as it gets. It always works out different when planting.

Hardcore OCD'ing will get old really fast once the beginner enthusiasm passes. I went 'softcore' by buying myself a rather cheap camera (60€, $80) and taking timestamped photos of practically everything; individual plantparts, individual plants, general overviews, the soil, the sky, soil with the top inches removed, pluviometer (which gets emptied after every photo session), compost heap, compost bins, plant labels, used seed packets, bottles and boxes of fertilizer used, .. This supplies me with more than enough reference material when I'm planning the next season during wintertime or when problems show up that I didn't encounter in the past. An added extra is that I got to bore /ck/ and now /diy/ and /out/ with an overflow of pictures.

Climate data is rather easy to find online up to three years back. I only look it up when I need it for a reference, I don't actively record and save it myself.

>>471485
Most of my informationals are of comparable quality. I only tend to save those that I don't see on here every week. Most of the time 'shit quality' is the reason for them being more 'rare'.

>>471476
using the compost's methan can be used in a generator to heat said greenhouse.

>>471572
I'm afraid you are mistaken. Proper composting is attained through aerobic digestion by fungi and bacteria. This results in CO2 and ammonium, besides the actual compost of course.

Methane is produced through anaerobic digestion. Something one wants to avoid during composting. Hence the reason why people 'turn' their heaps or even construct rotating barrels; to aerate their compost.

>>465371
That better be a mimosa hostilis seedling.
;]

Absolutely lovely thread.
Since were on the topic of GMO's, has anyone thought of how bad pharmaceuticals are?
Any fans of holistic/traditional/herbal medicine?
Besides that, any fans of papaver somniferum?

>>471576
I think he may mean using what you'd be composting as the fuel for a methane biogas generator. That would produce methane biogas and high nitrogen fertilizer. That can be used to heat the green house with farm more energy and efficiency than the same amount of organic material used as compost to try to heat the same amount of space.

>>471576
>>471576
Oh shit.

I cut the potatoes the same day as I planted them 15 days ago... I guess they are totally rotten by now because i dont see stems over the soil.
Damn. Now I need to re do it.

;_______;

>>471602
Proper diet, good exercise, company of friends, sunshine, being stress free, and a good mental attitude will help prevent most everything bad related to health.

Phytochemicals and mycochemicals are very powerful things. You can probably find a better response on 420chan.org for this type of discussion.

>>471611
>15 days

Don't worry yet. Dig up a couple and check them if you are really paranoid. Personally, I've started a process of wetting my potatoes a little bit over a course of several days to encourage their eyes to sprout. Then I slice off the eye sprouts as close as I dare to the base of the sprout. That way I have the maximum amount of potato left behind when all the sprouts have been removed. This drastically reduce rotting in the ground and I have tons of potatoes for eating purposes from that process. With this I normally make and pressure can vegetable soups and stews as well as make french fries to be stored in the freezer.

With the sprouted eyes, I normally plant them whenever I'm not feeling lazy. With that little amount of potato flesh, they can go in the ground immediately and I won't worry at all.

All right guys, I bought a five tier garage shelving unit, it's 18x36x72 inches if I remember right.

Gonna put 4mm plastic around it, gonna make an herb greenhouse or an oyster tray shelf area.

What y'all think?

I also bought quart jars and some hose clamps, gonna screw the clamps to a nice hunk of wood and mount it all to a wall. Then place jars in the clamps, plant some more decorative shit. Cilantro maybe?

>>471627
That sounds like a good plan for a small space. I have lots of metal shelving units I could turn into small greenhouses too.

While you won't need to worry about it right now, the jars don't have holes to allow water to flow out. Over the course of time, various types of salts from the water will collect and build up as the water is used and evaporates. This can cause root burn later on. When there are drainage holes, these minerals get flushed through and don't get a chance to form into salts. Keep this in mind for when you want to plant stuff that will be in their containers for a long time (full growing season, 1 year or more).

>>471649
Thanks for the advice, noted.

I'll probably put in something that will look dank as hell while growing but gets too big in less than a year. Transplant, wash jar thoroughly, repeat.

>>464876
Used shipping pallets - you just need an external wall...

>>465136
Where do you get your sprout seeds?

>>471627

>>471627

Hello gardening general.

Can someone recommend me what flowers should I plant that could withstand a mild winter? Night temps will be -10C / 14F

>>464876
>Why aren't you taking control of what you eat and starting your own gardening, /diy/?
Ain't nobody got time for that!

>>471861
It'll be neat to see that with the plants growing full.

>>471866
lol You can plant annuals. They always only last one season and you need to replant/reseed. You are in what could be a Zone 7 to zone 8 area. Just google up "Zone 7 flowers".

http://www.greatgardenplants.com/index.php?pageId=471

You can plant pretty much anything outside except tropical/subtropical stuff.

>>471878
>too busy posting on 4chan!!!

>>471884
How am I supposed to take out the dead plant? From experience I can say that getting all the roots out is no fun

>>471887
Get as much as you can and don't worry about the rest, it will break down into compost.

>>471886
>>471886
..no, I work 40 hours a week, and spend 15-20 hours a week doing athletic training. Not much time for mucking about in the dirt, at least not at the level required for growing any substantial amounts of food for myself. You start getting into that? It becomes a lifestyle, not a hobby. I don't want to be a dirt farmer, thank you very much.

>>471937
False lol you can have a life and do this shit, coming from a guy with 40 hr job, full time student, and at least 20 hours of volunteer work a week.

As long as you don't spend a few hours staring at your shit while you grow it you'll be fine.

>>471937
I work 60 hours a week, cook most of my own meals, and go do things with friends every week and I still have plenty of time to garden.

I want to, but my mom won't let me.

"SPIKE DIES!"

>>471947
See
>>464892

>>471937
Raise sprouts. You could keep them in the bathroom near the toilet. then every time you take a shit you can work with the sprouts. You'll be multitasking. No time lost. No dirt needed to farm.

>>471937
>>471941
>>471946
>40 hours a week
>60 hours a week
+56 hours for 8hrs of sleep per day.

That's 96 hours and 116 hours respectively spent busy. Each week has 168 hours. That leaves you 72 hours and 52 hours respectively as your free time. That is indeed plenty of time to grow your own food, fix your own meals, and post your food and gardening pics to Homegrowmen threads on /diy/, /out/, and /ck/.

>>469748
doesn't even matter if you fish. People pay good money for silver perch to use as bait.

>>472009
>tfw you live in an area where all live bait fish are illegal to use

>>471983
Yeah, actually it is. What, are you sleeping ten hours a day? Doing it wrong, man.
>>6 hours a day to sleep, sometimes 5 or 7

that leaves 30 hours to have a few beers, water plants, maybe fertilize them and add to the bed. And look at 4chan for a minute.
Idk what kind of cpu you're using but if it takes more than 5 seconds to upload a photo, learn to walk away and plant while your Dinosaur PC loads shit.

>>470765
inb4 someone gives you poisonous mushroom spores

So I have built this same workbench in the pic related. I was thinking of putting a soil container on top of it. What goodies should I plant / suitable for it?

Thanks to this thread. Monsanto can go suck mydick

i live in a flat (2nd floor) and i own a turtle, she got the whole balcony for herself
its a sunny place so she is living there very well (she is 23)
now i wanted to make grow something so she can eat whenever she wants by herself
but without using any ground
i wanted to try aeroponics, is it possible for a plant to grow upside down?

>>472255
But, those are easy to tell apart from everything else.

>>472268
Nice. That design looks pretty stable.

>What goodies should I plant / suitable for it?

What do you like to eat? The only things it might not be suitable for your would be really tall plants like corn. But, that isn't really an issue. You can grow anything in it.

>>472275
>is it possible for a plant to grow upside down?

Yes, it really depends on the plant too. Vining and hanging plants are best for growing down. Tomatoes, strawberries, melons, gourds, etc. For a turtle, strawberries may be a good choice. Perhaps an everbearing strawberry type?

http://homeguides.sfgate.com/raise-everbearing-strawberries-37755.html

>>472146
You replied to the wrong post?

>>470186
http://www.instructables.com/id/Oyster-Mushrooms-in-a-Laundry-Basket/?ALLSTEPS

Mushroom Growers!

I have at my disposal an out-of-order bathroom that my Landlord allowed me to use for whatever as long at it doesn't require modifications.
It seems to be the perfect place for mushroom growing except for one thing; It has no ventilation. Only way "air" gets in is through the gap under the door.

Any ideas how to get ventilation in there? other than leaving the door open of course.

>>473131
Cut some holes and install air vents. Make sure you have a way to cover the vents when you need to.

>>473188
No modification whatsoever to any of the infrastructure.

>>473284
Put a screen over the door way and open the door.

Needing some advice folks. I'm the head of a community garden project at my apartment complex and they rejected my designs for the raised beds. Long story short, only one 4'x8' bed per apartment for people interested, more to be built given interest, limit 11 beds/11 interested people. What mix of vegetablesherbs can i grow in mine to have a good balance of nutrition? done this once before, but never in a bed this size.
tl;dr need seriously nutrious plants that grow well in close proximity

>>473414
>What mix of vegetablesherbs can i grow in mine to have a good balance of nutrition? done this once before, but never in a bed this size.
>tl;dr need seriously nutrious plants that grow well in close proximity

First research, "square foot gardening", if you haven't already. For nutrition, you can get tomatoes, potatoes, beans (black, pinto, kidney, green), salad mixes (package of seeds that has lettuce, kale, cabbage, endive, and lots of other salad greens usually), onions, broccoli, sweet potato, pumpkin, watermelon, and lots of other stuff.

With the square foot gardening method you'll have 32 one square foot areas to plant. you could plant 32 different types of vegetables and fruits or you can have several of various vegetables.

Make sure you check your growing season. The first frost near winter is the last day for growing outside for a lot of vegetables. A 4'x8' bed would be really easy to add a cheap hoop greenhouse over it. It can be small and fit just over it or be big enough for you to work inside. This will extend your growing season a great deal in the spring and fall.

>>465086
were to get cheep aquariums?

>>473492
>square foot gardening
I have a pretty nice garden but after repeatedly reading square foot gardening I thought I better google that. Do a google image search. I am very underwhelmed by the looks of those gardens. I just see pictures of freshly planted gardens. Can someone tell me why this is better than a row of crops. I just dont get it. Are all farmers crazy

>>473527
>I just see pictures of freshly planted gardens.

This doesn't make sense to me since I plant everything from seed. Google images shows people planting from seed to setting out in small greenhouse raised plants to fully grown gardens.

https://www.google.com/search?q=square+foot+garden&tbm=isch

>Can someone tell me why this is better than a row of crops.

In my experience it is far less work. It combines several methods like organic gardening, use of composed material, raised beds, intensive gardening methods, companion planting, and so on. There's little to no weeds, increased yields per square area thus using less space, healthier plants, it enhances companion planting, no need for a tiller, easier pest control, better control over the soil, easier to setup and maintain drip irrigation, better drainage, no need to thin plants because you plant a specific number of seeds/plants in the first place, less watering, beds warm up faster, easily contained, it can easily incorporate aquaponics methods, easier on elderly and handicapped persons, and more I'm probably not thinking of.

It is the reason I can sit back and relax instead of being down on the ground pull weeds by hand and spreading mulch all day long.

>google pic

>>464876
Most of us have lives to live that don't involve spending most of our free time digging in the dirt, that's what grocery stores and money are for. There are *reasons* that we're not all subsistence farmers anymore.

>>473564
>excuse is, "not enough time"

10 minutes a day for a week or two or you can just work on a sunday once or twice a month, if you have a large garden. Smaller stuff takes like 10 hours of work all season if you are experienced enough to know you don't need to do much work.

Grow some sprouts.

>>473564
My garden work 2 years ago averaged out at about 150minutes a week. Besides my vegetable patch it included taking care of my chickens too. Indeed there are busier times, like spring or when harvesting, but you're also rarely doing anything gardening-related during winter. I fill about 33% of my own vegetable needs.

I totally get people simply not being interested, or considering it not worth the effort and preferring buying their produce, but not having enough time is a silly and misinformed excuse.

>>473676
I actually find that I want to do more in my garden and that I try to think up more things I can do even though I may not have anything to do really. It's just fun. lol

For those short on space try a garden tower , it does square foot gardening in a smaller footprint but combines worm composting down the middle, cheap and easy DIY project .

http://www.gardentowerproject.com/

Just to add to above post a video showing what a garden tower can do
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAQwuVRu0WQ

Also

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufEQ6ZljJBE video showing construction of tower garden , unlike the vagina in the video do not use a blow torch a hair dryer even works but heat gun would be ideal.

>>473676
What about not enough space? I live in an apartment with my parents, and I think the lease even says no windowboxes.

>>474739
>>474750
Nice. I've seen a similar system that uses burlap inside some welded wire fencing.

>>474785
Describe plz

>>474933
I think he means something like this but the inside is lined with the burlap and you can have the pipe running through the middle, the gaps in the wire fencing should be more than enough to fit the plants in.

>>474940
better pic

>>474933
>>474940
>>474949
Yup. Here's the one I was referring to specifically, "Phytopod",

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIVJj_yajrU#t=50s

https://www.google.com/search?q=Phytopod&tbm=isch

>>475117
Those look easy enough to make.

>>475318
I work at a major home improvement store. Here's my normal day.
>>Find a cool idea on 4chan
>>Look for the stuff to make it during the slow times
>>If I can't figure it out I get someone who's been working there longer to show me what to buy/how to build shit during my lunch hour

>>475117
This could be used exactly like the garden tower idea, except a lot less difficult to make.

lol well then

And if anyone considers making a phytopod, they sell the bags on the website.

It seems like making the bag is the only part I'd have a hard time with.

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>>475567
My problem is that finding a non-online source for burlap is difficult. No one uses burlap bags here and by the yard it is expensive. Plastic trash cans from a dollar store are really cheap though.

>>475569
I have a sewing machine so making the bags would be pretty easy if I had a source for burlap.

>>475564
Jelly

>>475564
Sounds awesome.

Just so you know though (not trying to be snide here), you only need one ">" in order to greentext. Double angle braces lets you quote someone, and triple + the board (ie >>>/sci/) lets you quote a different board.

Just so nobody goes "hurr look at the newfag doesn't know how to greentext"

anyway, do you have any pics of projects you've completed?

>>471053

The personal info or call to invasion rule applies to stuff like:

>heres this faggot at mah school his name is _____ his email is ______ hes a heug fag plz rape him with pizza we r lgun

not people giving out their own personal info, which is allowed if perhaps not a good idea on some boards.

>>475708
>not people giving out their own personal info, which is allowed if perhaps not a good idea on some boards.

Personal info isn't allowed actually, even if it is your own. Your own email is allowed so people go from that..

>>465292
you have a hell of a Garden for 5b. I am 5b too, but for some reason we always get a super late frost, so my tomatoes are just in the ground in the last 2 weeks, and my pepper are still potted due to cold (we are getting below 40 tonight, after having lows of near 60 last week). Of course my Raspberries and Blackberries are doing great.