/diy/ - Do It Yourself

Making money with youtube, posting documentaries in my country which i monetize, just waiting for some view and money is coming in!

I actually win between 10 and 15€ per day

Here you have a screen shot, when i started in january : http://puu.sh/2ozsU

i'm 17

>>424504
shhhhhh, you mean you just turned 18 today, but this was done while you were 17.....

>>424461
I do freelance programming/program design.
Not the 5$/h shit the indians do, but low-level C and Asembler, sometimes Verilog or VHDL for FPGAs.
Recently upped my hourly demands to 95EUR/h, thinking about demanding 120/h on my next project just for the lulz, seeing if I can get away with it.
I dont look for clients myself, I have people for that (GULP here in Germany), so thats one worry less.
Its not very diy, but it pays the bills, and my growing tool collection.

>>424510
i'm 18 in april only

>>424516
Oh cool bro, you turn 19 in april

>>424520
Wtf retard shit you really need to be 18 to post fuck videos on youtube?

u mad that i'm earning more money than your poor life?

>>424525
You need to be 18 to post on /diy/
i'm not a nigger so im not reporting you, though

>>424525

I think he means you need to be 18 to be on 4chan you fucking dipshit.

>>424527
>>424528

oh fuck right, my bad sorry

well who cares? i'll just telling you a tip, enjoy now

>>424504
You post copyright material?

>>424504
avoid posting copyrighted material and you should be rolling in the pennies

>>424515
How would you say that the European market looks for freelance programmers?
I'm a novice web-developer and while I know that's much less specialist than what you do, I'm fairly good at it, at least as good as a one man team can get and I'm looking to move back to Europe this year.

>>424564
>>424570

Some of them aren't copyrighted, maybe 'cause the tv channel doesn't care about the copyright on Youtube. These documentaries and tv shows work pretty good in my country so i enjoy that they aren't copyrighted

sorry for the bad english, I wish i would express myself better than that

>buy stuff at flea markets, garage sales, etc
>sell on Ebay

just member to pay your taxes kids.

For anyone here who does freelance work and is based in Europe, I'd recommend getting one of these:
>see pic

I live in Hungary where the financial situation is fucking ridiculous –legally, about half of the money I make should be payed to the gov in taxes, and that is only 1 of the 100 taxes.
And I found that eWallets provided by companies from a foreign continent to yours is the best solution.
For people in Europe, Africa and Asia, I reckon Payoneer is the best choice, but because the IRS in America can observe your eWallet provided by an American company (Choice Bank), I'd suggest Americans to get Caxton cards or something like that, which are based in Europe (Caxton = UK) so that it would be more isolated from Your continent.

>Why does the continent matter?
In the European Union, for instance, if I –as a Hungarian –were to use the Caxton card to receive foreign payments to hide them from the Hungarian gov, the United Kingdom –as a fellow EU member –would be obligated to report on my income to the Hungarian gov.
Outside of EU? Not at all.

>my $0.2

>>424632

Simple, easy tax evasion is what we needed waaaaay sooner.

>>424620
Pay my whatses?

TAXES. FUCK.

i clean carpets

My plan is to create a bunch of websites and live off the ad revenue. I currently have one Creepypasta website that makes me money. About ~€100 a month with AdSense. I'm in the process of updating it so it will make more money, and work on autopilot.

I have a few ideas for other websites but I would like to program those myself and I don't have the skills for that yet. The Creepypasta website uses Wordpress as it's CMS so it was a bit easier.

I plan on specializing in HTML & CSS, PHP & MySQL, JavaScript and Jquery. I currently only know HTML & CSS with a bit of PHP. I figured if my websites don't work out as I'd like to (eg. not making me enough money to move out) I will work as a freelance web dev or something.

I sell propane and propane accessories. It doesn't seem like it should make much money but it's enough to support a house, family, and excessive drinking habits.

>>425010
Damnit, Bobby.

>>424984
What webhost are you using?

OP, you should look into starting an imageboard based off of a Japanese forum.

Mad Ad Money

>>425131
don"t forget about the passes he will sell to teenagers that do nothing but shit post on that imageboard

>>425143
Oh yeah!
Lest we forget, while we're at it, special gold passes for certain images!

Fingerbox sold separately.

I buy broken electronics on online-auctions, fix it and sell it for two times all of my expenses. Currently working on a Popcorn hour C200 (finished the actual work and now using it to watch movies I had on random old HDDs).

i provide 24/7 IT support to a handful of local small businesses.

it's mostly answering stupid questions over the phone.
once you've got all the computers on remote you'll rarely have to show up.

i've also built a few simple automated web services for people that i charge monthly for. web crawlers, appointment schedulers, etc.

thanks to all of the above i've been free to develop a fully autonomous day trading platform which is already up-and-running. i'm still debugging it and finalizing the GUI but it's pretty much done and ready for the big time. i'm planning to do an AMA on r9k once it triples the seed capital.

I do internet marketing, specifically PPD.

My best performer is an app for Android that I coded myself. I offer it on a website and put it behind a survey which pays me a dollar or so every time someone fills it out.

I don't make enough to live solely off of online marketing, but it's enough to get taxed.

>>424461
buy stuff on flea markets and sell on eBay. Sell international.

I make this as a hobby and make at least 300$ a month and up to 1k (profit).

I'm into vintage computing (not only games, i.e. check old HP calculators and accessories) and all technical/science stuff. I keep a lot because I like this stuff as well. Find something you like.

Never pay more than a few bucks for items you are not sure about their worth.

First months when I realized the possibilities I made a spreadsheet and calculated that I make about 1300% profit after ebay&PayPal.

>>425721
In case any of you wanted to get into this as well, sign up here:

fileice.net/?index=e981dc1a8d1371670a2e

You will need to apply like an actual job.

>My link makes your chances of acceptance more likely.

>>424515
95€/h? So how much can you bring in in a month?

How does one get into it? I'm in may late semesters in study (Nachrichtentechnik) and would like to extend my horizon. I'm fluent in Mathlab and know a shitload about linux. Also rather likely to be of use in low-level C than C++/Java and I like to do stupid things with arduino.

>>425727
I want to know more about this. I do this already, mostly for my own stuff. I've looked at flea markets but usually people here are just peddling chinese made shit. Goodwill is where I mainly have goodluck but I feel like I need more sources to make a decent living. Are you living i a large area? My metro is maybe 120k or so.

>>425060
Different anon, but for things like this HostGator is a good choice. I host many websites, some with rather large traffic, and I pay about 90 euros a year for the hosting; this package gives you unlimited websites and unlimited traffic. Very pleased with speeds as well, the sites never have trouble loading.

In order to make money you got to invest money. Many people think that you have to invest alot but in reality if you know what to "flip" then you can make a ton of money really quick.Here's an example I have done for years. Every summer there are fireworks festivals that occurs in my city.International teams come from all over the place.Hundreds of thousands of people go to see a lousy 30 minute display of fireworks every weekend or so. They arrive really early they bring there kids. They come for the fireworks for the display/colors .What do people like.colors.. what can you sell easily.glow bracelets.Bulk bracelets go for next to nothing (as long as you know where to buy bulk). I would easily make a profit of $5000 on 2-3 hours when i ran out for the evening. And for what I would sell them for would be really low balling it.so take 5000 x 6 fireworks nights and your pulling in some nice money for virtually nothing.a temporary permit from the city to sell could seem alot..400-500 dollars but with the profit you bring in its NOTHING. I would sell all I got for the evening and gtfo.

>>425904
>In order to make money you got to invest money.

lol no. the only thing you need to invest in order to make money is time.

>>424984
2 months ago I knew jack shit about most of those things you listed except maybe html and css. Ive been in deep water since then doing an internship and I can tell you this: once you go at something for 10 hours per day, 6 days a week, you learn shit really fast.

I'm also looking into doing freelance web-dev after this gig is up figuring it would pay more, but Im kinda leaning towards grey hat shit like ppc tricks and whatnot, I figure it would be more exhilarating than arguing with clients about a color of a button or some stupid shit.

I do contact development, a little like this guy:
>>424515

All over the place though: low level embedded code, mobile apps, imaging/analysis, machine learning, NLP, visualization, even the rare web app (the worst).

Mid through last year, I changed my title to "consultant" from "developer" and started charging a LOT more. Last job I did, I pulled $250 an hour.

It's great since I hate working for other people, and this lets me pick up only a few jobs, be picky about what I work on, and spend most of my time just doing whatever, traveling, working on personal projects, etc. (i.e. I'm lazy)

Since there is lots of talk in this thread about getting started with freelance programming, I throw out some tips I've learned (just from my experience, your mileage may vary)

- DO NOT get into website development. It's what everyone does and there is no real money in it anymore. I was talking to a guy recently that gets $8 an hour for it - less than working for McDonald's.

- Seek out projects that make you look good. A portfolio is your best tool for getting the good jobs. If you can prove you've done good work before, you will be much more likely to win a bid.

- Related: unless it is just awesome work or pay, always confirm you can show off your contributions. Get it in your contract. Portfolio is everything.

- Supplement a portfolio with personal projects, open source contributions, writing tutorials, etc. You need to get noticed. Ideally, you will have people coming to you with offers instead of doing all the looking yourself. The cooler and more polished your personal projects are, the more effective.

- Never, ever, seriously, never sign a non-compete agreement.

- Always read your contract. Twice, three times, more until you know EXACTLY what it means. Don't be afraid to argue, to get it changed. I don't sign any contract more than 2 pages long.

>>426024
Cont.

- Ask for more than you think you can get, then more than that, and always more than the last time. I used to always charge $50 an hour, then got an offer i didn't want to work on, so threw out what I thought was a ridiculous number: $150 an hour. They accepted, didn't even negotiate. Bumped it up more each time and now hover around 200-250, but always ask for more and negotiate. If you are starting, you won't get that, so don't go too out there.

- Under promise over deliver.

- Always make your deadlines.

- Email is better than phone, you have a record.

- Be confident. Act like you know what you are doing even if you don't, then google and learn. No one really knows how to do anything until after they did it once.

- Never burn bridges, even if you hated them or they screwed you over. If you get a reputation as an asshole, you are done.

- Go to events, clubs, conferences, and meet people - if you are introverted (like me and almost every other developer), just wander around and someone is bound to start a conversation with you - the business owners are usually extroverts, so it works out nicely.

- Find a niche, but don't get too stuck in it. If you know how to do unusual things (program assembly for some random ass microcontroller for example) people will seek you out. Cobol programmers make a shitload right now, because there are so few of them.

Oh and one last bit of advice for the newbies. If you want to learn to code, do something fun that you want to make - not something that you think will make you money. And start high level, you don't need to drop to C or assembly right off the bat, Python is great for scripting and easy as hell, Unity3D is awesome if you are into making games, ruby for websites, etc.

Also if you are a newbie, get off windows. Mac if you want, linux is better. Not starting a flame war, but as a programmer it's the only way to go (unless you do corporate windows dev, but don't - almost more depressing than websites)

>>426038
Great advice anon

find a lawnmower at the curb and drag it home
clean that bad boy up, and give it a spiffy new paint job
siphon gas out of your mom's car and fill your gas can
push your new mower door to door asking your neighbors if you can cut their grass for $
make $340 that week.
buy an edger off craigslist for $40 and a weed-eater for $50
make $650 the next week
hire a couple classmates and pay them to work with you. get the jobs done faster, and still make $500 yourself that week.
buy a golf cart, and trailer to get to your jobs easier, and a few more blocks from the house. a truck would be nice, but you can't get a driver's license yet, because you're only 12
buy a new mower with the $900 you made this week
self propelled mower isn't as hard to push, so you buy a weight bench to stay in shape, now that your job is too soft, but it's faster so you can spend a little time with your new girlfriend.

>>426024
nice advice sir.

Where or how do you get your clients?
I know those popular online sites for freelancers but especially where do you get clients that want things such as NLP?

>>426064
All through word of mouth now, but events were the best bet before.

Entrepreneur events are the best. Everyone with an MBA thinks they can start the next facebook, and will pay a premium for building prototypes of their ideas. Never accept equity as compensation though, only cash - they are gonna fail, and those stocks and options will be worth nothing.

The online freelancing sites are worthless, too much competition, and people usually just choose lowest bidder instead of best qualified.

Craigslist is surprisingly good sometimes, and if you are just starting out definitely check the want ads in the newspaper (yes, the antiquated printed one) - other developers won't be looking there, and the people who advertise there are pretty naive and it's easier to negotiate and get the job.

Recruiters are the scum of the earth, but if you are stuck and can't find anything, ask them - they get paid to find people to work contract jobs. Don't rely on them though, they screw you out of pay and make it hard to get your name out.

And a couple pieces of advice I left out from above:

- Get everything in writing - your rate (either hourly or by job, I always push for hourly because there is always more work than they think), timelines, features, etc - if they don't push you for a contract, get one yourself.

- Always make sure you get paid. If you charge flat rate, insist on half up front, if hourly insist on weekly or at worst bi-weekly checks - unless you are POSITIVE they are good for it and won't screw you. No excuses, if they are late paying, stop working, don't give them anything you've done and hold your ground.

Anyway, I'm glad to see some of you liked this - if you can't tell I'm bored as hell and avoiding work, thanks for giving me an excuse to procrastinate and maybe help out at the same time!

>>425705
i wish i knew how to computers ;________;

>>426068
>Entrepreneur events are the best. Everyone with an MBA thinks they can start the next facebook, and will pay a premium for building prototypes of their ideas. Never accept equity as compensation though, only cash - they are gonna fail, and those stocks and options will be worth nothing.

lel.

>getting everything writing

do you write the good old requeriments?

>>426091
>do you write the good old requeriments?

If I can, depends on the client. Some of them think they know better, and insist on doing it themselves, but I always give feedback and insist on veto rights if they do.

>>426068

Do you write your own contracts?

>>426068
What have you worked before you became a freelancer?
How long do you work on a project?
And finally what project do you work on recently?

http://pastebin.com/4Aiyy7yN i do this for money lately, good cash.

>>425705

How did you get the it gigs?

>>426172
That's pretty shitty unless you have lots of referrals. You can earn more simply mining buttcoins, on top of that with most GPUs your power costs are going to be higher than or as high as your earnings.

>>425060
I use Tsohost.com but not for any particular reason. Just pick any host you like. Like the other anon recommended HostGator is pretty good.

>>425953
I made a website for one of my dad's colleagues before and it was awful. I don't like creating websites for someone else, which I why I do the ad revenue thing.

buying and selling niche items on ebay etc. is easy and not time consuming if you set up a workflow and have little capital. i work in heavy engineering / diesel, been buying bulk vernier calipers, cree torches, hydrometers, refractometers and other measuring tools and re-selling them making about 70% - 125% profit. Downside is u have to find decent product and wait for shipping etc. Electonic components like DIP sockets, basic audio transistors, potentiomters etc are good too. Simple as all hell to do just have a po box, bit of cash, find stuff people want, tag it well and your set. i do 50hrs a week with a fam and still can do this, just pront labels and stick hit in the mailbox.

>>426068
where are good places to look for freelance work other than online and craigslist? seems like it really shrinks your options

>>426073
Enroll for an introductory programming course on edX or coursera.

>>426167
>What have you worked before you became a freelancer?

Did corporate level programming - such an awful job, totally understand why the lead in office space would rather work construction. Corporate cube-farm work sucks the life out of you.

>How long do you work on a project?

I usually look for projects that don't last more than 1-2 months, and also have a few recurring gigs that I can always pick up some time on if needed.

>And finally what project do you work on recently?

Most recently I did some image processing stuff for an iphone alternate-reality thing someone was making.

>>426235
>where are good places to look for freelance work other than online and craigslist?

Most of the places that actually list want ads for freelancers are terrible, since they are just a race to the bottom on rates and the work sucks. Look for alternate sources - much like entrepreneur events, sites focusing on entrepreneurs are great to hang out at. I picked up some work early on through the business school at my local college, recent grads or post-grads doing various projects. They don't pay enough for my rates now, but they were often pretty great to work with, because they always have crazy out there ideas that are fun to work on.

Be creative and look for unexpected places to find work. The biggest thing to know about freelancing is that more than half your job, especially starting out, is finding and winning bids for work. Treat it as such, It takes a lot of time and effort to find gigs, but that's why so many people fail at it.

I own a fire alarm/security alarm company. Starting capital came from working weekends. Garnering work? Marketing and signage, my van looks pretty awesome and I always were a company uniform everyday (wife also built a decent webpage). Also trying multiple avenues of marketing. Valpak, hba, servicemagic, and others. Been in business 1.5 years. Feel free to ask questions.

I have been investing in the stock market and being a daily trader of sorts. I get about a min. of $100 a day, but I reinvest it. I work part time and go to school so this is just a hobby. But I plan on investing big bucks in the future and making a decent income from it.

>>426393
)how did you start?
)how much did you initially invest
)how, what, where, when, why, what?

I have been looking at doing this for a while... not even trying to make big bucks but just for funnsies/having something to add to conversation when stock market is brought up

I occasionally forge a knife or a short sword and have a buddy post it on eBay. The last one, which I made from a piece of a truck's suspension coil, went for $175, and I found it on the road. Money for trash, awesome. I also make jewelry, decorations, etc from old silverware or scrap steel, and give them to my mother who sells them at craft shows, at her booth.

Also, disregarding the 'no drug dealers' thing, I grow several ounces of mushrooms twice a year and sell them at music festivals, which usually nets me about $7-800 a trip. Pretty cool.

>>426427
getting caught is a felony and your net profit after that will probably be somewhere between -2k and 4k depending on how many years you have done it

>>426447
> implying guards don't just smoke with you at coachella

>>426447
None of the security guards care at music festivals. They're just there to break up fights/ keep the peace. People literally walk around with signs that advertise what they're selling and how much.

Granted, getting the product there is pretty risky, but don't speed and have everything up to date and you're golden. I once drove through a DWI checkpoint with 3 ounces in my trunk; I thought I was going to piss my pants. But, I just complied, laid the 'yes, sir' and 'no, sir' on nice and thick, and they sent me on my way.

>>426401
Not him but I'm invested in the stock market too. I use Fidelity and got about 8,000 bucks invested.

Just look into good stocks to purchase. There are plenty of websites to get good information on what to invest in. You never know when a company is gonna be the next Apple.

Just start small. I usually drop 100 bucks a paycheck into my Fidelity account. It adds up over time.

>>426450
cops seized all my paraphernalia at broachella last year because they happened to see it in my tent as they drove by

>>426486
I haven't been in 6 years. Sounds like it bros now.

>>426024
>>426038
Thanks anon.
Would you know what could be good for trying to make software? I want to try making some programs for myself (largely just to learn programming, I'm sure I could 'mod' GIMP's UI or something to do what I want.)

But the most I've done is...half of the Python tutorial on Codecademy.

>>426345
how much capital did you have and was it enought or to much?

>>425730
>95€/h? So how much can you bring in in a month?
Here in germany a good rule of thumb to calculate your yearly earning is: hourly wage * 1000.
Of course you have to consider setting money aside for taxes, health insurance, times you are sick, pension.
This will all be you who will have to take care of it, in a corporation at least they pay you half of it all.
There are advantages in my country though, the main being that you can deduct everything from your taxes: New computer every 3 years (I usually get the most expensive Hardware I can get), Books as many as you want, as long as they concern your work, workshops, certificates... , completely new set of furniture every 7 years, new car, renovation cost for your house, 30cent per kilometer you drive... the list is endless.

However you will need a really good tax consultant (Steuerberater) and a good lawyer.
Both cost money, and dont take the cheapest, only a good one.

Another thing: In the freelance market there is a sort of reverse ageism: people hardly take you seriously if you are under 30.
Make sure to write down how many years of experience you have in the languages you mention.
>>424596
>>425953
>I'm a novice web-developer
>I'm also looking into doing freelance web-dev

I usually avoid anything web-related like the plague. If I do it, its always part of a bigger, non-web project.
>>426024
>>426038
Wow, really great advice, you mentioned stuff even I didnt know.
More pls?
>>426064
I usually get them through GULP, but only the first contract with any customer, for the follow up work I negotiate directly with the customer.
You wouldnt believe the rates some recruiters charge: Once I had done a project for 80EUR/h (this is what I receieved that is) and decided to ramp it up on the next project with the same customer at 99EUR/h. He wondered how I had gotten so cheap suddenly.
Turns out the recruiter hat charged him close to 170EUR/h and practically gotten 80EUR/h for doing nothing.

>>426497
shit, text too long.
cont:
>>425730
Also to get something to put in your portfolio: do open source stuff, or stuff during an internship.
Also generally: The more obscure and hard a technology or language is (perceived) the better the rates.
This is related to >>424596 and >>425953
Every student knows how to "program html", therefore even if you are very good at it, you will never earn as much as if you, say, specialize in writing image recognition algorithms in assembler for Microcontroller X.

Just pick whatever area you think is the most difficult. Then get a book about it, read and learn it until you are really confident about it.
Write a few smallish application in/on/for it.
Voila, you just have another skill to put on you resume.

>>426235
>>426341
I like visiting trade shows, esp. in the heavy-industry department.
Free tickets for them are ridiculously easy to get as many manufacturers receive dozens to give away to their customers.
And even if you buy them, they arent that expensive.
Once on the show you can either visit the companies there directly, or get their catalogues or the list of corps exposing form the organizer of the exibit.
Call the companies after the show, or simply leave your business card on the booth of the company after having talked to the people there, to make sure they are not completely adversed to the idea of hiring a freelance.

>>426024
>>426497
>>426501
Great posts, anon(s?). Thanks for the time you invested in writing them.

I'm the >>424596 guy.
I'll stick to web-dev for now because I got my foot in the door and it's the only feasible way for me to make some money that's not flipping burgers, but I do wanna get into the cool stuff (image processing, NLP, data analysis) and I've started a bit into it, but without a job I can't pursue it (need food, rent, etc).
I know I can get pretty far on good books alone on those subjects since I really love coding and working on projects, I just need a job that'll provide for me for this time until I can move on to cooler things.
Plus, even web-dev, even shitty intern level stuff Im doing now, is a billion times better than working in retail.

bump for more how-tos.
And Kudos for great thread.

any Australians around that make a living while sitting on their ass?

>>426829
I was thinking about moving there and starting as a miner.
Well, its not exactly sitting on my ass, and more like working my ass of for 12 hours straight every day.
However even an untrained worker starts with something like 60-80k AUS$, qualified engineers up to 250k starting.
Still not sure if its worth it, Im mostly afraid that the bubble will burst and then no one will want resources anymore.

Hi,

I want to chime in here and got some sound advice. I'm about to graduate from college and am taking a Web Technology Specialist course. Basically it's html,css, java,javascript, sql, some photoshop.

I actually want to do development but right now want to stick with web design and minor development until I can strength my OOP skills. I put up a website with small portfolio (still need business cards), and I have landed a few small gigs throw craigslist. I am having a hard time getting people to take me seriously and land jobs or get into a design firm somewhere. I'm not making enough money to pay my bills yet. Where should I start? Surprisingly I can't even get a retail job right now after submitting 75+ resumes. Besides teaching myself more over tutorials and practice, what can I do to start getting $1,000-$2,000 a month now? I am going to create an android app soon, so there's that.

>>426902
forgot to mention we were taught some c# and asp.net as well.

>>426902
>>426903
see above posts: the market is flooded with web programmers.
Maybe pick a niche (ERP or CRM systems, or get to know the ins and outs of a widely used CMS) then write "WhateverCMS consultant" on your business card.
Or specialize in optimization of SQL server, market your skills to people who dont want to buy another server yet but would rather squeeze out some more performance out of their current system.

I dont think you want to go into design, its even more flooded than webprogramming.

For your Android app you will need Java, as shitty as this language is, there is a huge market for competent developers, esp. in the Business/Banking sector.
Its mostly used to model business processes and is on the way to replace COBOL (one day...).
Get to know a few application server system, a few frameworks etc...
This could actually be a nice opportunity to do web related stuff and still earn money: most application have a web interface written in java, instead of a traditional GUI.

1. Install Rublick on every computer you can get your hands on.
http://www.rublik.com/51574d32e0d8c9f2690086dd

2. Start up the program, login and click on view. Hide the window and delete the the desktop shortcut if you chose to create one

3. Profit?

/diy/, I live in Colorado. I live in an apartment and I have no tools of my own. About an hour away are my parents who do have a decent selection of tools. Spring's basically here. I have absolutely no land of my own to dedicate to the acrruement of wealth. I know a fair deal of growing plants and growing them hydroponically. I have about $1000 to throw around if necessary.

What do?

>>426948
What was really cool is I built a guy a custom contact form with php,xml,flash, and javascript in 5 mins and I got 35 bucks for it. Too bad I'm not getting gigs like that left and right.

>>426980

>colorado
>knows how to grow plants
>has $1000 and access to equipment

you should, of course, synthesize crystal meth.

Anyone else get really happy when they see 4channers successful financially? I guess it reinforces my belief that quite a few wealthy people deserve it.

>>426988
>Anyone else get really happy when they see 4channers successful financially?

where did you SEE any 4channers being successful financially? don't believe everything you read on the internet

>>426983
Despite it being legal here in Colorado now to grow weed, there are a few issues with me doing that.

1. You need to be 21 to possess the "six guaranteed plants". I'm 19. While it's illegal to sell that which you grow though, what are they going to do? Kick down your door as an exchange is going down and interrogate why you're receiving money?

2. My apartment complex doesn't allow it anyway. I live with my brother who would be rather uncomfortable with the place being at stake because I'm a shmuck.

3. I know nothing of weed. I could probably grow it since it's similar to tomatoes, but as for giving details about names, strands, potency, etc? I'd have no idea what I'm doing. I don't indulge myself.

I GUESS... if needed be, I could offer some stoner friends a cut if they were to permit me to use space in their homes. Even if I had a legal permit to grow it (which I don't think I'd quality for), I still have no space. I'll look into that though.

>>426992

You would not need much space at all to start out, many peoples' first grow is typically one or two lowrider plants grown inside of a computer case or a closet. There are many well-written books on the subject-I can recommend "Marijuana Horticulture" by Jorge Cervantes (considered to be the foremost text on growing weed, is updated every few years), as well as "Buds For Less" which is essentially a day-by-day grow report with pictures by Oaksterdam University.

It does seem like you're not in a favorable situation to start growing at the moment, but it's worth looking into. There really aren't many cases of a known multibillion dollar industry suddenly becoming quasi-legalized and open to the public like this, should be an exciting area to get into.

>>426990
G-g-github?

>>426201
How much do you make doing this?

Where do you buy these products in bulk

>>425904
Where do you buy these things in bulk? How do you figure your pricing? Do you take cash only or also accept debit?

>>427033
not him, but seeing as pracelets are hardly high-quality stuff, i would say china.
Try Alibaba.com.
Use a new email for this site as you WILL get spammed.
Or check out the Business section of ebay.

>>427033
425904 op here. Ebay is a very good resource.. Alibaba is okay but you have to watch out. I managed to find a direct manufacturer through paths acquired through both networks.As to how I figure out my pricing..well.I won't sell a bracelet for 5 dollars each like other vendors.. I sell mine at 2 dollars a piece.The actual price of these things are literally nickles and dimes. Other vendors will come around me and harass me for low balling and taking there business away. To which I typically reply.. "Oh so you want me to drop my price to 25-50 cents?" They typically turn around and GTFO.. Meanwhile I am swarmed with people wanting to get bracelets. I only deal with coins/cash... And have a second person (typically a friend or relative) to help / protect me from theft.

>>427043
Would you advise against doing this without permission from the city?

Didn't I already make this thread? It was way better and had a nigger in it.

>>427046
Was his advice to sell weed? Because the profits there are great if you are selling by the 1/8th

>>427045
Personally I think permits are dumb. but it is what it is. On special events such as fireworks or say for instance the 4th of july bylaw officers are all over the place checking for permits. I get checked all the time.. If you don't have a permit.. you are left with a fine and asked to leave the area. If you then try to acquire a vendors permit it will be difficult because your name is on a black list of people whom were selling without a permit. And typically the process of getting a permit to begin with a pain in the ass.

I'm repairing computers in a third world country.

I make fliers and I deliver them myself door by door for one hour per day. Someone usually calls me after that.

>>427043

Thanks for the reply, I've considered this before but havent actually to spoken to anyone that does it. The only other question is how many do you buy at a time. Do try to figure how many people will be there and buy or do you just pick a arbitrary number?

>>426975
Any other programs like this?

I have to my disposal 10 computers at work.

I'll appreciate any additional information or tips.

>>427055
Well it all depends on the size of the event.. How many competitors (other vendors) are in the area selling the same product and how much you want to make. You then have an idea as to how much product you have to get.

>>426975
You dont know how tempting this is. I work in IT at the college Im attending and I have free roam of easily 100+ computers. A good sum of which are never used for long periods after 3PM.

>>426983
grow pants and sell them to dispensaries

>>427090
why not do it then?

>>425727
How do you deal with chargebacks and scammers?

>>427062

I presume you'd ask the city about these things when you're acquiring your permit?

>>427111

The computers probably reformat themselves every night. You'd have to bypass that first.

>>427111
Getting paid to sit around doing nothing for 4-5 hours every day > the possibility of getting fired for mining buttcoins

>>427090
>>427056
>>426975

Samefag trying to get affiliate money

>>427138
Except not.

>>427141
Your affiliate number is in the link. Reported.

>>427062
What kind of permit do you need for something like that? How much does it cost? What does the permit allow you to do?

>>427131
that or get the instal program on a usb and just plug it in to reinstall every day. No problem here

>>427126
>>427149
The city doesn't really care what you know about the event. As far as other vendors I am sure they have a quota.. But out of the 5 years I have been doing it I have never been turned away because the vendor licenses are full... As far as the permit is concerned.. They are called "Special Events Permit".. Its a different permit then regular daily vendors whom sell jewelery on the street. The permit I get for 6 nights of fireworks competitions that come into town is about 500 dollars. The permit is different then a food vendor.. So I can't sell beverage's or ice cream or anything like that. The permit only allows me to sell the product I am selling. Some cities have certain zones even with special events that you can sell. But again it varies. You have to check with city hall on what permits they have. how much they go for and what not

>>427171
$500? That's almost 5x the price of the product I'm looking at. I'm not saying I don't believe you make that much money, but it seems like a pretty risky investment if you can't push enough product. Then again, if it's a week long thing there's probably a LOT more traffic than what goes on around here. Thanks for the info, though.

>>427177
again it varies form city to city.. and the event I get a permit to has HUNDREDS of thousands of people attending A NIGHT... for 6 nights... Last years event in total with all the nights combined it was an estimated 1.6 million people attended the events.... I'm Only selling 2500 glow braclets a night... I could realistically sell a hell of alot more every night... But I'm ok with profiting 30,000 dollars for 6 nights

>>427189
any idea where the best place to do it around sacramento ca would be? or could it be better to go to sac fran and it could be done without the license?

College student here that finds services,restaurants,hotels,etc who wants to advertise their stuff on a niche school magazine. I get roughly about 25-30% of commission. I recently got one company to advertise on the front page of our mag. for about $2,300 and I got about $600
Its surprisingly easy to find small businesses who are willing to advertise.

Hosting servers for games.

Bought 10 dedicated servers and rent them out for Minecraft and other games in the such.

Makes me about $200 a week. Enough to live nice in college. New tech every year, nice clothes, etc

>>427309
Is there much maintenance? i was considering minecraft servers as a profitable thing. Only problem would be getting ddosed be a competitor

How To Make Money in 3 Easy Steps:

Find a niche and fill it.
Don't try to get into a stable market with high competition.
Do get into and out of fads as quickly and profitably as possible.


Time of the year matters for many small niche/fads to plan accordingly.

I run a thrift shop. I donate a part of my proceeds inorder to use the D.A.V.'s name on my shop.
Items are not only donated to my thrift store but I also buy full storage units (those that go overdue) for $50-$300, pick through, and sell. The more espensive stuff I sell online, the cheaper stuff goes in my store.

The rent is $400 a month not including utilities, misc bills per month cost about $600, and misc. yearly costs total about $2k. I profit an average of $8-10k a month, not including items sold online, which net an additional $2k on a good month. thrift stores are big business right now if you place them well, advertise well, sell at good prices and don't sell complete shit. You also don't have to compete with other thrift stores too much, we all basically share customers.

I also sell handmade goods for small pets with an average 14x rollover on material costs and I make them in my spare time. $2.50 worth of materials easily becomes $35.00. Only good during nov-Christmas, sales die in the first 4 months of the year when nobody has money.

>>427319

Also, I didn't deduct worker's salaries from my monthy amount, my workers are family and as such I just pool the money regardless.

What about the creative side of IM, like webcomics and stuff? Besides the obvious "be good at it", how does someone get their stuff noticed and their name out there? How and where do you advertise? I assume this wouldn't be too different than owning a blog or selling an ebook, so what kind of stuff could you do to start attracting attention to yourself?

>>426873
Underground mining supervisor here, plenty of work but most people don't cut it, they either hate the long hours, the heat, the weekend work, or nightshift. I love it, but it's not the easy money people make it out to be.

If you are willing to work though....it is great money.

I buy houses, renovate them, then either rent them out or sell them, depending on the area
I own 10 houses, bringing in £250 profit each on rent
To start off i got a mortgage, 10% deposit, renovated the house and lived there for a year then sold it and bought 2 houses with the profit
In the uk if you are buying a house to rent it out you have to put a 25% deposit down, so try to keep it quiet (that your goig to rent it) for 6 months or so and if you sell within thebyear you get 22% of your profits taxed
Just thought id mention it

bump. more!
any engineers?

>>427350
Thanks.
Do you have more information?
Is it really that easy to get hired as everyone says?
Are you a native or did you immigrate to Australia?
Since Im german I was thinking about getting there with a working holyday visa, then upgrading it to a longer one, once Im hired.
What Im afraid of is that I dont get hired in time.

>>424620
sold some boots on ebay for £90, paid £12 in selling fees and £24 in postage, wasnt worth it

couldnt send it 2nd class because i needed recorded delivery or they just say that the boots dont turn up, i sell a fair few things and the amount of time ppl try pull this shit..

I've been 3D printing pats for 3D printers and selling them on ebay. I also take custom orders and do some prototyping on the side. I make about $40-$50 per kit after ebay and paypal take a cut. Time wise its hard to estimate the value of it since the printers only require ~10 minutes of attention for a plate of parts that takes anywhere from 1-4 hours to finish. So the rest of my time is spent on the internet or working on other stuff, and I can leave the longest prints to go overnight so that they are ready by morning.

I want to do a kickstarter in the next couple months to bank roll a store and some equipment. If I get enough orders through that then I can justify renting a space (or a house) and buying a small waterjet cutter and laser cutter, which will allow me to dramatically expand the types of kits and parts I can sell.

I would probably continue to do open source projects on kickstarter after that. Just to continue getting capital, advertising, and equipment.

>>427475
This is why I never use Ebay/Paypal for selling, it's way too easy to get ripped off. How do you people who sell on Ebay do it? Are you just lucky or do you have a method to deal with scammers?

>>427109
In light of this, I recall a picture of a thread of a guy on /diy/ talking about how using a quarter acre of land, he grew a great deal of seedlings of various plants and would spend a month or two selling them from his driveway for mad dosh ($20k+)

Does anybody else grow seedlings and sell them? Does anybody have any experience with that?

>>427485

>>427482
3d printer parts guy here.

Truth is most people are honest. As shitty as ebay is about supporting their sellers (i.e. the people who actually make them money) I've never been ripped off.

I've shipped parts everywhere and haven't had any problems, other than one guy in Chicago who gave me a negative review and sent a ton of harassing messages. He never requested his money back through paypal so I didn't really care. However I am working in a niche, no one is going to buy what I'm selling and reasonably expect to flip the parts.

If you sell shit like consumer electronics or popular games, the likelihood of ripoff is much greater. In general beware of selling anything expensive to sub-Saharan africa, eastern europe, or southeast aisa. But even in your home country a ripoff can happen with that stuff. Most of the guys outside of third world don't even make that much money from the transaction, it's just a troll's hobby for them.

>>427485
no method just send everything by recorded delivery, my only exceptions is repeat customers and people who i know have bought shitloads on ebay, then i know there not gonna rip me off or just shut down their account on the sly

tbh though ebay fees are ridiculous, after my last pair of boots sold ive just given up on it, stopped selling them cos after putting the time and effort into sourcing the boots/shoes and then customizing them i'm hardly making any profit, plus people have stopped wanting to pay for shit now, everyone wants customized stuff for $15 -$20 and then not want to pay postage either

i managed to get into the steampunk scene and secure a direct source for cheap clock gears and parts but the whole fad has pretty much sailed now, you won't get anybody buying it unless you build to order and you've got a rep for it

>>427486
dosh? what are you, african or something?

>>427528
T-that was uncalled for... :(

>>427533
Well, are you afrikkans or not?

>>427551
Clearly I'm not, because if I were, I'd be in a thread about stealing money, not making it.

Come on man, you're not even using your noodle.

>>427556
Afrikan != Afro-American

>>427563
No.

>>427563
Afrikan is an African African that lives in Johannesburg Africa

>>427556
well you said dosh so i just assumed. Or do you just like jack parov?

>>427592
nope

>>427590
oh, thought you just misspelled african.

>>426038
Anon how did you learn to code? What would you recommend? What kind of time commitment do I need? What kind of coding can I do with your level experience? Apps? Games? What kind of programs have you worked on?

I'm kinda interested in learning over the summer and using it to pay my way though college.

>>427631

not that guy,

but my first program was in AutoIT, I made a simple bot that found out what a program displayed and then clicked on stuff depending on which combination of pixels had which colours. for online roulette lol. I thought I had it down but lost 20 bucks because casinos are smart and the house always win lol. just googled everything from the ground up.

that was fairly easy. then I took a class in c++, learned about pointers and stuff. i reccommend a class in c++. then I learned java by doing some random programs, etc.

bump

>>425258
Where did you learn to repair all this stuff? I wanna do this too, sounds pretty good to be able to repair stuff.

I scanalate doujinshi. Depending on the size of the project and amount of free time I have it supports my hobbies. Nothing full time though like the bigger groups.

>>427631
not >>426038 but >>424515 :
First from books, then a few personal projects (did a pdf file manager with qt/c++ a bit like Calibre), then got involved with open source projects. First debugging, then writing my own features.
It really helps if you code for a living as this tends to impress people the most ("I have 10 years of fulltime VHDL coding, every day 8 hours" vs. "I once did a little script to categorize my porn collection in Python").
You should be really fluent in 2-3 languages, but it is not necessary to know every obscure language feature or library.
What your employer pay premium for is mostly experience. If you dont have experience it would be cheaper for them to just hire someone and train him on the job.

I would stay away from any sort of games and most apps as the market is flooded with devs for both, see the posts about Web/PHP/MySQL stuff. Game developer are infamously underpayed, sometimes earning as little as 30% of a normal dev. Also to programm games you have to be proefficient in all kinds of areas: DBs, Graphics, AI, Networking, Design, Writing...
Go for stuff the corporate world needs: CRM, ERP, CMS, Data analysis, Embedded...
Most of it is boring and repetitive but it certainly pays well. Plus its not that difficult once you know the basics. (Embedded being the exception).
Out of these areas sometimes you can write an App. For example one that allows the employees to check in/out of the stock the material they need with their smartphone (ERP example).

>>427590
No... You sir have no idea what you're talking about

>>424984
you from chattersedge.com?

/join #blog in the chat bar

>>427591
I just like words that make me some ghetto sometimes... Swag.

I think we've become a bit too personal and I fear the close relationship. We need to break it off, babe.

>>427691
Sounds great. Thanks for the info. I'm off to go look up some acronyms.

/diy/ is like /fit/ for your brain. FUNCTIONAL INTELLIGENCE. NO ISOLATION.

>>427704
Im glad that you like my post.
Sorry for the acronyms, bad habit.
CRM: Customer relationship management. Keep track of the calls, emails and faxes that go between you and your customer. Track their (un)happiness with your product, their reaction to advertisement, their location, preferences, purchases...

ERP: Electronic resource planning.
Keep track of how many items you have in stock, what you sold, how high your profits were, make forecasts for the next month based on you sales and other factors like the general economic situation, your location in the country, the product category your company sells.

CMS: Content management system.
Basically instead of coding every website/email/articlepage by hand you have patterns and a software that helps you to focus on the actual content instead of the representation. Most news sites have one, which you can tell because the structure of their articles are all the same.

Data analysis: Well this can be everything and nothing. It can be as simple as an excel function that calculates the average profit per day, or a custom built in-memory stochastic forecast system that takes into account millions of variables. The latter is sometimes run on dedicated hardware and ist programmed in a language like R or Matlab. Even on a mainframe such analysis may take hours to complete.

Embedded: Not really Smartphones, although technically correct. Mostly the chips that are in cars or machines (I mostly do CNC-mills), somtimes even satellites, cruise missiles...
In Embedded you usually have to fight for every byte of memory and every clockcycle.
If you want to go into that area you might land a few deals if you know something about RTOS (real time operating systems).

Also it does not hurt to enter the acronyms in wikipedia and then in amazon.

>>427705
ok, fuck you too, see you never, sugartits...Just remember youll always be my boo boo kittyfuck

>>427659
not him but just look into diy electronics
shit was huge a decade ago when it was seen as anti-corporation and all that, instructions and learning tools are everywhere

>>427800
I dont know for analogue electronics, but I really enjoyed "Bebop to the Boolean Boogie" about digital electronics. Many, many important informations in it.

>>427691
>For example one that allows the employees to check in/out of the stock the material they need with their smartphone (ERP example).

Haha oh wow, I'm the single software developer for a 250 people company. I got asked to do a project to manager/order stock via smart phone/tablets and web based. I was going to get it outsourced (at great cost to the company) but last week got a second year uni student to come in for 6 weeks during the summer holiday to build that for us.

We're only paying him min wage but he'll get complete control over the project, some great work experience and learn a hell of a lot. Dude just went through a list of companies who have had interns in the past and started calling, so I know he can get the job done.

>>428056
or you could have just used an Open Source ERP.
There are tons out there, many with optional comercial pricing for help and support or extra features.

>>427390
I am Native to Australia, ( not aborigonal).
If you go to the right towns. and are willing to live away from capital citys. If you want to fly in fly out it will be a little harder. If you have a trade (electrician, fitter, mechanic) or are an engineer or geologist you will find work no problem. If you have the above qualifications you may also get a work visa, I remember a while ago they had special visas where they where skilled workers where sponsored to come over, part of the conditions are they had to work for the mining company and live in certian areas for a certian amount of time.

I can give you more info if you are serious, and can tell me a bit about your work background.

>>428072
Thanks for your reply.
I have studied Mech.Engineering for a few years in Germany but switched to Mathematics some time ago.
How is the emphasis on degrees and titles in AU? Here in Germany you need a certificate for damn near everything.
Would I be able to start on the same job as a regular engineer or would I count as untrained.

I have been thinking for about 8 month about going to australia, so Im kinda serious. I dont want to put all my eggs in one basket though, so of course Im also looking elsewhere.

Living in remote parts is no problem, I have never felt the urge to "go out" or something like that.

How is the career path/option? Assuming I start as untrained, will I be stuck as such until retirement, or are there advancement possibilities?

I am interested in mining jobs because of the money (obviously) but also because of the tech they use. I saw some reports on youtube about mining, and thought: "I really want to play with those toys".

Sorry for my bad english btw.

>>428073
if you want to work with the tech side of things, qualifications are very important, did you finish studying mech engineering? because that would be extreemly helpfull, we have a real skills shortage of engineers, espeshally in the mining industry.

To be honest, if you start in a operating job, you will have to work your way up wich takes a VERY long time.

What is your e-mail mate, I'll send you some more info, company's etc...

>>428078
No, i dindnt finish it. Thought analysing partial differeintial equation was more fun, thats why I switched to math.
sciengin (at) gmail.com

Thanks again.

>>428072
What about a South Australia who dropped out of high school and has no qualifications?

>>428085
you could get work as an operator probabally if you are willing to re-locate,
there are some big mines in SA, I heard Prominant hill are expanding soon. they are FIFO from adelade. have you had a job before?

>>428087
I currently work as a storeman

>>428088
yeah man, just look up operating jobs, or offsider jobs. We have storemen at our mine too. get on seek and start applying mate.

>>428091
What does a store man at a mine do?

>>428091
he cuts hair.

>>428092
they work in the store, also the underground storeman takes the supplies underground (mesh, bolts, resin etc...)

>>428079
I sent you an e-mail mate

Civil contractor here. Just turned my first profit (90,000 $) this financial year.

Sell cosplay and cross-dressing accessories, fetish gear, weird foreign things that you don't normally find, silver spoons and run a few websites.

>>427678
How do you get the doujins and how are getting yourself out there enough to make money? This sounds like something right up my alley for some side cash. Any tips would be greatly appreciated.

>>426427
Do you have pictures of that stuff? I would be interested in buying something like that, sounds cool.

>>426427
how long is the grow time on your crop?

What about making custom t-shirts for extra cash. Does anyone already do this? Is it too much time invested over profit. I'd like to hear from anyone.

>>428126

Outfits and Accesories to strippers. Although, finding design patterns, suppliers, and knowing techniques of working with Shiny materials are needed.

>>428451
does this get you laid or the opposite?

>>428460

The business idea? I have no idea. I was making a suggestion to the other anon. But I don't think strippers are going to have sex with their clothe and accesories suppliers.

>>428451
Do the heels actually double as functional anal dildos?

>>428491
maybe not, but if you friend them then who knows. AFter all youd own a business and im sure you could get a deal going if you really wanted to

>>425254
classic

>>428444
yeah, there are usually a couple brick and mortar businesses that do that in any given town

>>428500

I don't think so. Pointy and dirty.

>>428502

That would be a plus. The problem is if they pretend to get free or cheaper items from you just because they had sex with you. Bad for the business.

>>428520
Bad for business, good for your dick if the word gets around. You could practically be a pimp. Last time i checked giving away your own products and getting laid afterwards wasnt illigal

>>428521

Then, you're going choose between Sex and Money, except if you have sex with some strippers and rise the prices so the others pay for the items you're giving away for sex.

>>428078
moosie.madness (at) gmail.com

If you don't mind sending the email to two people. I'd be mightily interested and thankful.

>>428529
yeahh...between you and me money is a tool to get sex anyways...So id rather just skip a step or two

So would making a website garner some decent cash? Someone mentioned that they have ads on theirs and it does relatively well or something. I'd like to know a little more about that if someone has the time.

>>428639
It depends. Obviously if you have a huge website with hundreds of thousands of visitors daily, that earns rather well. But in general if you make a blog and fill it with useful information people might be looking for it won't earn you huge piles of cash, just some extra - it's really hard to give specific numbers because it all depends on the content, the trending of the topic and the competition.

>>428542
Sent mate

I work as a freelance tour guide in Rhodes, Greece, 1300/month.

I'm fluent in English and Italian which is more than enough for the job and I enjoy talking with the tourists I handle.

>>428072
>>428073

Yeah... as a final year mech eng student, there really is not the amount of jobs any more. The coal industry is on a massive downturn, lots and lots of geo's fired. Most big companies are hardly taking on eng graduates either.

It aint all hunky dory.

>>426024
thanx. computer engineer here. haven't started doing any serious work yet.

i have a trust fund that is large enough to last my whole life if i don't do something stupid like buy jets that are larger than i really need.

being rich is not as easy as it seems. look at how many rock stars and hollywood actors who have ruined their lives. it's fun travelling around the world on my yacht for a while, but eventually it gets boring.

i'd give anything to be a waiter or something so that my life would have to be disciplined. we all have our struggles. such is life.

http://pastebin.com/MhWPV3QM check this guide

>>428676
You funny guy.

>>428078

Im a student in Jamaica, im interested in this, how would this work, i have no visa only passprt.

email : nlpminds at gmail.com

http://pastebin.com/4Aiyy7yN

>>428673
Can anyone confirm that?
I have newspaper articles from early 2012 talking about the mining sector looking forward to invest half a trillion across the country over the next 10 years.

>>428078
Im >>424515 thanks for your email.
After wading through the swamp of feces on the other boards /diy/ is really a refreshment.
Just had to get this off me.

>congrats, this thread has been requested 1 times and will now be archived

just a few more...

>>428922
68523

I made about 25k over two years doing something called "freebie trading" before I moved and never got back into it. I could probably pick right up where I left off in it. Spent about a hundred bucks to get started, I paid for rent a few times, bills, bought a (shitty) car, etc. Not enough to live off of but definitely enough to have some fun with.

Hey guys, I'm making a travel to India and southeast Asia in some months but I don't have a lot of money. I'm bringing an ukelele and I'm pretty good playing it, do you think I could make enough playing in the street to mantain? Do you know other ways to make money while traveling?

>>427309
How did you find your customers?

>>428686
>>428765
Are these legit, or just bullshit?

>>427528

"Dosh" is a >>>/v/ term for moneys, popularized by the game killing floor, aside from whatever meaning it has to Afrikaans.

>>426038
I know I'm very late here, buuut...

>Also if you are a newbie, get off windows. Mac if you want, linux is better.

Why exactly should I leave Windows and go to Linux? What would make it better for coding?

bump

>>429142
I just spent almost a month in India last fall.

As for making money playing the ukelele on the street ... pretty much not a chance. It is a very poor country and the beggars and street performers can be very aggressive defending their spots. Also, the locals probably won't pay much if anything and the tourists will almost certainly rather pay the local performers.

You might have some luck elsewhere in Asia, especially the more well off countries.

India is absolutely incredible though, and very cheap to travel in as long as you can avoid the tourist traps and scammers. If you've never been anywhere like that and are from the US, Europe, Australia or other highly developed western countries, be prepared for culture shock - and read up on all the variety of scams and cons, they are very common and easy to fall into if you are not careful.

>>429237
The API is completely documented?

>>429215
>Are these legit, or just bullshit?
Let's see... sites that purport to pay you good money just by leaving a program open on your computer? Everyone on earth isn't already doing it? Info in a pastebin rather than a legit source? Not posted directly here (likely because it would trigger the spam filters)?

Yeah, scam.

Stay the fuck away.

Easy money schemes are a waste of time at best, and very dangerous, exploitative, or expensive at their worst.

If you want money, you gotta trade something of value for it - goods or services, and the shorter the supply and stronger the demand, the better.

>>429250
Well, which distro would you recommend?

>>429248
Thanks for the advice man.

>>429260
I don't use linux much.

But i hear good things about mint.

>>424632
that's twenty cents...

>>426983
Just pointing out that your picture is a parody of I have no mouth and I must scream..

bump for greatest thread i've ever seen on 4chan and my new favorite board.

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My mother and I have sort of been looking for something to make money because a) I'm looking for work (waiting on a temp agency is getting me absolutely nowhere) and b) because she's tired of her job, but she's kind of stuck there.

We thought about doing trash outs (property preservation) and I made a thread on it, but it 404'd kind of fast. She would be the boss, so to speak, since neither my friend (who would probably work for us) nor I are really that good at talking to people. Since he has more experience than I do, he'd be the boss on the job, and I'd just do the work.

Only real problem is would be that I have $1000, she barely has anything (she's supporting both of us since I've been out of work for a while), and he has a family so can't help out with money. I know we'd need a business license and liability insurance to even really talk to the real estate and mortgage companies, but I'm not entirely sure how much that is. Plus, we'd need a truck, which none of us have.

I don't know if this is even a good idea, but it's what we thought of.

I've been buying stuff in bulk/wholesale

100 necklace and earring sets

it's fucking overwhelming when you get the shit and realize all you need to do is sell them for a dollar to make almost double what you spent initially, when they should retail for $4.99+

there are so many pictures to take and descriptions, the shit won't just sell itself because you have the best prices

I was under the assumption that I was going to sell everything because I was simply pricing it so well

WRONG

you have to sell the shit

it takes a lot of time and effort and trial and error

I've learned that electronics sell, always sell

women can't into the internet lol

I really shit the bed buying like 500 pieces/sets of jewelry, it's time consuming to post, and takes a long time to sell

I also go to places like ROSS, they will have brand name stuff there with the tags still on it, $100 shirt for 8.99, you think "how can this NOT sell"

it's hard, and you have to wait on it, you have to make sure you get views too, if nobody sees your awesome deal, you're not going to sell

if you want to sell anything, start your own website, it automatically seems to make you official and valid, also it lets you set the standard/market for what you are selling

we've not made a fortune yet, but my wife and I since we started made enough money in our spare time that our rent is 60+% paid by what we've done in our spare time

we are getting better too and I fully believe things will pick up as we learn from our mistakes

but it's not as easy as it initially looked, things simply don't sell themselves, basically it's still work

even today my wife dun goofed, she was answering questions and the buyer told her "ship to this address" she didn't bother to tell me, and I shipped to the address on the order...well now we're fucked (at least I think it's a really big problem) we've potentially lost 1 customer and all of their friends/family because my wife can't handle her shit

>>429305

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I can't only imagine the problem if it wasn't my wife who I live with and a partner who I didn't see until the next day

the item could potentially already be there overnight

little things like that, it's a big problem, it's also inefficient and if we can't get the package rerouted, and have to pay anything more it's just cutting into profits

you also have to think about, very little things like packaging costs

a roll of tape, boxes, paper, pens, labels, printer shit

I've recently lost a roll of tape, costs me say $2, well I only shipped 1 thing with it before I lost it (my wife says she doesn't know where it is, but I know she lost it) so today I have to buy another $2 worth of tape

on something that's say $10 profit, to spend $2 on tape every single time is just ridiculous

needless to say, I've rethought my process/organizational structure and where I place packaging supplies

>Grinding Amazon's MTurk
>Total earnings: $10
>Account balance: $0

How long does it take for the money to get into my balance?

>>429297
>My mother and I have sort of been looking for something to make money
Start a motel.

>>429305
Nice of you to blame your wife for everything. Are you worried about getting done in for selling counterfeits?

Is there even a way to make money without an initial investment?

I'm want to make 1000€ or so during spring but I always come to a dead end:

>Hunting boars (I've got a bow and arrow powerful enough to do so, and shitload of them nearby) to sell their meat and hide: lol no forbidden, must have a hunting license
>Cutting down trees to sell the wood or make furniture out of it: also forbidden, you must own the land where the tree is
>HTML/CSS skills totally useless because indians can do it for 1/100th of the price

>>429502
>must have a hunting license

Why not get one?

>>429506
Because it costs money. And I don't know if they would sell one to someone schizophrenic.

>>429507
I just got the best image of you gutting a boar and then sleeping in it like a ton ton. Hilarious

>>429507
It's best to find out. I live in TX, my dad is schizophrenic and you're allowed to hunt/fish on your own property without a license, of course you still are only allowed to hunt during the hunting season. For this reason, people set up deer feeders and let the deer come to them. You have to own 10 acres to shoot a gun, so some people use bows.. It's worth noting that schizophrenia is a highly misunderstood and misrepresented mental disorder.

>>429523
That kinda is the problem: I do not own any land.

Do you believe it'd be legal if I baited one into my backyard? Then again I don't know how to bait a boar.

>>429524
doesn't have to be your own, just has to be private property, with permission of course

some states still require tags though, but for boar those are cheap since its not a native animal, like CA tags are $20 each

I fly around with a quadrocopter and take pictures of houses for a coupple of realestate agents. I earn between 500-850usd (depending on how many shots) each house i take pictures of. And i have somewhere between 3 and 10 assignements each week.

live in norway so most of them go away on taxes.

>>429582
what kind of quadrocoptor do you use? What is the investment on one?

american hereso no need to worry about competition

I'm an artist. I design things on the computer. Last thing I did was a mobile app. Would gladly help any of you guys out if you ere legit.

>>429582
Please elaborate on what type of quadrocopter you use I can have access to some on amazon, what kind of setup?

>>427043
So during 4th of July events you find a big city with known high amounts of people attending and you sell glowstick?

>>427309
How long did it take you to gain that level of income, what do you do with your servers sell slots, take donations or advertising? How long would it usually take a beginner with servers to learn how to do this and gain enough players? Which companies would allow this I can buy rent dedicated servers and make a profit.

>>429582
What type of quadcopter and camera are you using? I have a gopro, and have thought about picking up a DJI phantom for mountain bike/rock climbing videos and stills. Any recommendations on gear would be greatly appreciated.

>>428451

Here's a list of tutorials about making outfits and furniture with Latex:

http://makinglatexclothing.com/category/tutorials-and-how-to/

It would be great to learn to do them with Leather or Spandex.

I work as a freelance video producer/editor and charge 300 per day of shooting and 250 per day of editing. Feel like I could charge more, but I just finished school in May so I wanted to play it safe. The work is erratic but so far I've made 35k, and I'm planning on raising my rate every 6 months or so.

I also get to travel sometimes, which is nice. I was flown to Cali and Texas last summer, and might get to go on a cruise in Europe for video work later this spring.

Currently trying to come up with good ways to invest the money I've made so far.

>>429754
What do you get contracted to shoot? I've been thinking about doing this, but I feel like i'd need more than my camera and a computer to edit on.

>>429490

That costs way more than we both have.

>>429808

I'm not really in a joking mood. Sorry.

>>429807
That's called "missing the joke".

well guys, im gonna try to do some motorcycle repairs for a living, im finishing a course on motorcycle mechanics and got 2 mopeds and 1 scooter to practice with while i finish, i really hope this works =(

>>429796

mostly interviews, which are easy and I can do either by myself or with 1 or 2 assistants. or sometimes a client will send me a bunch of photos/video clips and I'll edit together a web commercial for 1-3 thousand bucks. I'm lucky in that I have a few clients that contact me regularly, but I found most of them initially through my school's career board and craigslist

as for equipment, you can definitely get away with a decent DSLR (I use a 5D Mark III). it also really helps to invest in a lavalier or shotgun mic because bad sound stands out quite a bit. you might want an audio pre-amp or sound mixer as well.

>>427319
This was extremely popular in Imperial China as a means of getting high Return on investment, compared to investing in farm land.

>>427319

I can never figure out a niche in order to fill it. I want to do something to make money, but I feel like I'm too stupid to do it.

Custom software development and Linux admining. I have 2 associates, one sells printing services (the 100000 pamphlet type of printing), one does business software. Whenever a customer of theirs needs something, they call me. They always start the call with "Is it possible to do X?" Then they laugh "wait, I mean how hard is it to do X and how much will it cost."

I've done small clusters, custom Intranet/Extranets apps, LTSP for 100+ users, redundant print servers, ...

>>429880
Find something you like doing. Get good at it. Find people who will pay you to do it. This last part is (imho) the hardest. But it can be outsourced; someone to find the contracts/contacts and get a cut of the deal.

>>429896
I charge 70 CAD an hour. But yearly pay is all over the place: between 50k a good year, 20k a bad one.

>>429297

There is definite money in property preservation, but you will be doing far more than just trash-outs. The bulk of my family's business comes from mowing jobs. The work is grueling and the hours are long, but there will be more work than you can handle.

>>429897

The only things I really like doing are painting Warhammer and playing video games. None of which will really get me any money. I guess I could paint Warhammer since people like their armies painted, but I paint slowly and take my time, and people like fast turnovers.

>>429899

I used to work for someone that did it, and he made a decent amount from grass cuts during grass season. I'm curious though as to what the start-up costs are. Like I said, between my mother and I we don't have a lot of money. Less than $2,000 honestly. No truck, no insurance (I've read we need liability insurance), and no contacts yet. We could technically do it from a truck since we want to strike a deal with a dumpster company, have the dumpster taken there, and then do the trash out. For mowing (until we could get a truck/trailer/mower/etc), we'd probably contract it out to my father. Don't know though.

>>424461
Hey /diy/, I will soon start grad school in the US. I've been thinking, I could rent a flat with 4-6 rooms, and then rent each room to college students or young professionals. I think I'll be able to put a small profit margin and cover the cost of my own room as well.

If it works out, I could even start renting several properties like this and renting out rooms. Maybe eventually buy the property on credit for even more income.

What do you think of this? I don't have much experience subletting rooms in US. Is it too much to hope that I can add $100/month of value to the rooms of a house?

>>429925
Good luck finding a landlord retarded enough to go with it. Subletting means a wrecked property, 100% of the time. Also, juggling 20 + tenants? Students at that? That's a full time job, nigga. And not an easy one at that.

Source- someone who actually lives with other people and knows more than a few landlords.

>>429931
I've lived with students before, it doesn't seem too unmanageable if I try to pick tennant who are more beta than me.

>Subletting means a wrecked property
How come? Don't you take a deposit?

>landlord retarded enough to go with it
Plenty of people seem to manage it.

>Also, juggling 20 + tenants?
Well, initially only 4.

>>429937
Allright, granted, depends on the location.

I live in Slough, the multi-culti capital of Europe. White people are still visible here only thanks to pollocks like me. You can go without hearing English for days, etc, and so on. Renting is srs business here. Indian people especially will WRECK YOUR SHIT UP the moment you let them in. Dirty fucking bastards. My fellow Poles are, predictably, drunkards, and often have trouble coughing up the rent. Brits either have their own property or live with their parents until 30, and never mingle with the likes of me outside work, so no idea about them.

But anyway, if you think you can swing it, by all means, do so. Just remember its YOUR neck on the line when the damage incurred exceeds the deposit. Which is very probable.

And ALWAYS assume people are dishonest idiots where money is concerned. They will make a hole in the wall, then make a fuss about wanting the deposit back.

Or just fuck off to India, after having stolen and sold off everything of value not bolted down.

>>429942
My experience is with NYC and Boston, again either students or young professionals as roommates.

I realize that people are dishonest and obnoxious, but I don't see how you could do so much damage that $500 or so wouldn't cover it. A hole in the wall, yes, but I've never felt the urge to put a hole in the wall. Why would any sane person?

>>429953

Bwahahha. I knew some people who were staying at a hotel who made a hole in the wall.
And that was just in a couple of days.

>>429953

I rented out my home for a few months to what seemed like a nice couple. A background check would have turned up what scum they are but it was my first time renting and I needed the money to travel to help family.

These two AIDS-infested fucks let their dogs piss and shit everywhere, they made holes in the walls, and destroyed screens. Apparently people with AIDS have massive diarrhea and just fucking shit everywhere but the toilet. They let all the plants die despite having been told to water. The smoked in the house and left burn marks around the stove, as well as broke the garage door. We spent more than $4000 just having someone come and redo the flooring the destroyed, and another $5500 in other repair expenses. We did take them to court and win but are only getting $41 a month from them because they are fucking scum of the earth.

We sublet a $15000 trailer once for a mesic fest, 2 days later we found our trailer being sublet by the subleter on Ebay, probably to druggie stoner scum. Needless to say that shit was revoked right away but apparently it's not uncommon.

TL;dr, always background check, contracts, and just assume people are going to fuck you over. A $500 deposit barely covers anything.

I've been dealing odds and ends here and there. Mostly antiques and German militaria. Been doing it for about 7 years next to college. It isn't a huge money maker, I guess about $600 or $700 a month, but it pays for my clubbing and other shit.

Only problem is I have a 7 year gap in my employment history on my resume. Some companies think its a plus since you show ambition but others bitch about it.

Had one guy bitch at me why I didn't have a normal job. Why should I work at McDonalds on the weekend and maybe earn $400 if I can make more than that doing what I do now?

Recently has been tough people don't want to spent $800 for an old Chinese pot in this economy.

>>429937
>>429942
>>429953
>>430076
I am an attorney and do lots of evictions. You would not believe the shit people do.I give them every chance to leave peacibly, put a 3 day notice on the door, send them a letter, call them. "I don't have any money." OK well then leave or the sheriff will kick you out. But they don't leave.

So the owner spends 235 in filing fees plus 90 for a writ of possession, plus 300 for my fees so $625 to get this asshole evicted. The sheriff posts the 24 hour notice on the door, and that's when hell breaks loose.

One lady actually made several holes in the walls, dumped everything in the fridge onto the carpet, broke all the lightbulbs, threw trash everywhere, goingto cost a lot more than $500 to fix.

People are so fucking shitty.

>>430117
>I give them every chance to leave peacibly, put a 3 day notice on the door, send them a letter, call them. "I don't have any money." OK well then leave or the sheriff will kick you out. "I don't have anywhere else to go."

>People are so fucking shitty about being forced into homelessness.

>>430122
Tough shit man its not a goddamn charity, why should the owner pay the taxes and utility for them to live for free?

My point is that it's going to happen, they are going to get kicked out, and I try to let them leave so they don't end up with an eviction on their record and a judgement following them and they always refuse, and 2 weeks later we've done it the hard way.

IMO people have such a sense of entitlement. I have been broke and poor before, but I never expected to be allowed to live somewhere for free. I realized that if I became homeless it was because I fucked up somewhere and went broke, not because I was going to get evicted. It's not the landlords fault, but they get so upset and blame the landlord for them losing their home: false, tough shit, you did that.

What would you purpose we do instead?

>>430122
What I don't understand about our society is that if you commit a serious crime, you get free food and board, no questions asked about whether you can afford to pay for it, no attempt to bill you for it afterward. There are free recreation facilities and usually free education, to try and prepare you to live independently. Often, they find simple work for you, and pay you for it.

But if you can't just walk up to something like a minimum security prison, tell them you're failing at life, and be let in. You have to commit a serious crime.

What fucking sense does this make?

>>430122
In other words, nobody forced them into homelessness. This is a slow but steady process. And these assholes have food stamps and disability and smoke weed. The fuck. Free food and plenty of money for rent, but you spend it on drugs?

Perfect example, Google macho g. He was on MTV. He is squatting in an apartment, and I am evicting him. He has plenty of money but refuses to pay or leave. He actually broke into a vacant unit.

So I'm supposed to feel bad about this? Yea right.

>>430126
Well, first off, prisons don't really work in the united states because they're full of guard abuse, gang member violence and poor rehabilitative organization.

Then there's the fact that they can't just let anyone stay in prison, since they are already crowded and cost a lot of money.

>>430131
Also, probably doesn't help that Americans have many prisons be run by private corporations for profit, which places a conflict of interest against them actually reducing recidivism.

>>430130
I agree with you but I doubt I'd give a fuck if I was in their shoes. Don't know about the US but over here you could build a shack deep into the forest and live as a savage and you would still be violating laws:

>Building on a land that is not yours
>Hunting without a license/animals not on your property (therefore not "yours")
>Cutting down trees
>Not paying taxes

That's what you get when you extend land "property" beyond what you actually need. But yeah in your case they were total cunts.

>>430127
When you're trying to make someone homeless, don't act like they're just being shitty by resisting and lashing out.

It's just a bad situation for everyone involved, and it's one the landlord bears equal responsibility for creating.

Nobody forced the landlord to be a landlord. Nobody forced the landlord to rent to these people. Nobody's forcing the landlord to evict them.

By investing in rental properties, the landlord choosing to make money by charging people to occupy space on the face of the Earth. There's a fundamental aggression involved: the landlord occupying territory, and holding it by force. That the law is on the landlord's side, that landlord improves and maintains the property, or that the landlord is taxed, doesn't change the essential nature of what he's doing.

The landlord's income is not essentially different from that of the pirate, the highwayman, or the protection racketeer. It is legitimate only in that it is done in cooperation with the dominant local power: the state.

Inevitably, in some cases, aggression will be met with aggression. This is completely natural. Conflict ensues, as each side tries to make any course of action more costly than submission. There is no moral high ground, and the outcome isn't always as inevitable as it may seem.

As an attorney, you're simply a mercenary in this conflict. You depend on this conflict, and on the people on both sides of it, to make your living. That doesn't exactly put you on a higher level than either of them.

I've known enough landlords to know that the difference between landlord and scumbag tenant who has to be forcibly evicted, but not before trashing the property, can be as small as whose grandfather won a bet, and whose lost.

Sometimes it's not about good guys and bad guys, it's just a fight over conflicting interests.

>>430130
>Google macho g. He was on MTV.
On "From G's to Gents".

Sounds like that really worked for him.

>>430147
He builds the houses and keeps everything running. Nobody forced him to do that either.

Anyway, renting isn't a good small business, because you're vulnerable to human bomb tenants. Just getting one or two rental properties is too risky.

You need to be seriously rich to make renting work reliably, so it's not really DIY.

Anyone have experience with preparing properties for the rental market, and selling them to landlords?

>>430147
So you are basically saying people shouldn't rent out houses and that the only way to live in a house should be completely owning it?

>>430170
I'm saying that you don't understand life if you think your hands are clean, and everyone you come into conflict with is objectively a villain.

>>430127
>man, those renters are SO SHITTY

>tough shit man it's not a goddamn charity

>>427556
> using your noodle.


Take a seat

>>430147
bwahahahahaha this is the funniest load of quasi-philosophic commie pinko bullshit i've read in a long time.

the difference is not that the landlord takes in cooperation with the "dominant local power," we have private property here dumbass. he bought the property, so it is his, and he has the right to do with it as he wants. just because the landlord chose to rent out the property doesn't mean he deserves to get fucked by tenants that breach their contract. if they didn't like the idea, they shouldnt have agreed to it.

there's plenty of other things that the landlord has to put up with that just come with the territory - like noise complaints, repairs, taxes, etc. - but the one thing that he should NOT have to deal with is the other end of the bargain: the tenant paying what they agreed to pay.

the landlord did not "occupy" the territory or hold it "by force." landlords are not thieves or pirates, they did not steal anything. even if they did not have the right to the underlying land (which they do) they either built or bought the structure on the land, which without the landlord would not exist.

attorneys are always mercenaries, and yes, i depend on their conflict to make money, but how does that affect my "level"? without me the tenant would continue to live rent free and the landlord would be getting fucked.

please oh please master of logic, explain to me how the world should work without thieving landlords and their evil attorneys

ps what fucking country do you live in

>>430148
haha i know right. i think hes running a tattoo shop out of this shitty apartment, and he has actually fixed it up really nice, but basically his dad lives in the apartment underneath, and i think he must have tipped off macho to the vacant unit above. so then he took the ac off from the outside, climbed in, unlocked it from the inside, then replaced it. he moved in, never signed a lease, never paid rent, and when the management found him, they didnt even try to kick him out at first, they said look if you want to stay, you have to sign a lease and start paying rent. he refused, so now i get to evict him. i will take great fucking pleasure in doing so, he is a scumbag piece of shit who thinks that its ok to have money, steal from people, not pay rent, and run an illegal tattoo parlor out of his stolen apartment.

>>430147
I disagree entirely, but that was beautifully written, anon.

Do you have a newsletter I can subscribe to?

>>430200
Who did he buy the property from?

Follow the chain far back enough, and at one point, somebody sat on it, and said, "This is mine."

So now somebody comes along, sits on it, says, "This is mine." and you drive him off.

There's nothing fundamentally more legitimate about what the original squatter did than about what the latest one is doing. The owner simply has the support of the state.

Let's say that a new government came into power. It took your house, took your car, said you were no longer certified to practice its law. This is all legitimate, because it's the government. Now you're homeless and have no career. Would, "It's the law. The government said this is okay." be enough for you to meekly accept it, or would you be inclined to get mad and fight back?

For just about any country in the world now, this is how its current state started: by completely fucking over the people who previously had power and property in the area, and sharing it out to the new cronies. That stuff has consequences for generations and generations into the future.

I'm not saying you shouldn't do what you do. I've never said that. Most people fight for their own interests. This is natural. But don't just dismiss people fighting back as "being shitty".

>>430202

Anon, if I ever needed a lawyer (IRL) I hope you're around, one that I can fucking agree with.

>>430222
ok, so i think it actually does matter that the landlord paid for the property. if this was just a long chain of people fighting over a piece of land that belonged to noone, then yes, it would stand to reason that the most recent usurper holds equal right as the last.

however, a long long time ago, someone (probably a spaniard as i am in florida) settled here and claimed this land. this is where you say it all went wrong, and because of that act, nothing that anyone does after that point can legitimize their ownership of it. that is where i disagree.

the property changed hands several times, eventually being bought by the us government (most likely, i dont really know). the government sold it to individuals, and often gave it away as part of a homestead program to settle these new areas. the new owner improved the land. they cleared it off, built a house, etc. its not just the fact that the state sanctions the ownership of the land. after the initial claim of the land, every subsequent owner has paid value for it.

these property laws have roots in old english rules that predate courts of law, whereby the improvement of land entitles its custodian to rights specific to him and superior to the rights of a trespasser.

further, we are not dealing with squatters only here. this is a breach of contract issue. if you fundamentally disagree with the idea of private property, then do not enter into a lease bound by that idea. it has nothing to do with right of ownership and everything to do with obligation under contract.

lastly, your analogy to the government taking everything from me is 100% invalid. in your example i have done nothing wrong. these tenants have breached a contract. your example is also about things that were originally mine (and rather uniquely mine, like the ability to practice law) being taken from me, whereas the property situation we are discussing is about an interloper's right to take something that is not theirs.

>>430235
wow thanks man. that means a lot. are you in florida?

>>430222
The lawyer has it all right, you have it all wrong.

And, no offence lawyer bro, but I fucking hate lawyers on principle, as parasites living off state parasitism. As in, parasites on a parasite, and you can't get any lower than that. If you'd be able to change over to voluntary arbitrage, if this became a thing, then it would be another matter.

But man, equating homesteading with a bunch of fucknuggets who infest a piece of land, fuck it up, and when asked to leave by the owner fuck it up even more? Seriously?

Those people wouldn't even survive in an anarchist, voluntary society. The state is what gives them protection from the consequences of their own actions.

And finally, the state didn't build SHIT that didn't turn to shit. A private piece of property was, in all probability, build by private hands. If a government build it, its either your nigger infested projects, or our big concrete blockhouses, where no-one but gypsies and cockroaches want to live.

>>430253
>But man, equating homesteading with a bunch of fucknuggets who infest a piece of land, fuck it up, and when asked to leave by the owner fuck it up even more? Seriously?

>>430253
hah thanks man. nothing like winning a fight on the internet, i guess. i'm home sick with food poisoning so this is pretty much the highlight of my day. i'm going to have so much catching up to do tomorrow.

but im curious about your parasite idea. how are lawyer parasites? i just want to make sure i'm understanding your view point correctly, and that theres not something lost in translation, because i neither work for the government or have very much to do with it at all. i operate almost 100% in the private sector resolving disputes between individuals.

on a side note, if a semi tractor trailor runs over someone and kills them, what does the family of the dead person deserve?

>>430258
Nobody ever wins a fight on the internet.

One side just gets interrupted by something that matters sooner than the other.

>>430256
holy jesuchristo does nobody understand the difference.

WE STOLE LAND FROM NATIVES. TRUE.
WE NOW OPERATE UNDER AN AGREED UPON SET OF RULES. TRUE.
Unless you want to give everything back to the native americans, and abolish private property, deal with it.

just because the status quo isnt 100% right does not mean its 100% wrong.

plus he has a point. settlers didnt come in, say hey ill pay you 5 beads a month to live in ur tent, then not give them the beads, refuse to leave, and then trash it on the way out.

note the CRUCIAL DIFFERENCE of that nonpaying tenants and squatters want the luxuries of ownership with none of the responsibilities. they dont want to repair things, or pay the taxes, or the utilities. they just want a free place to live.

i think a few people here are confusing adverse possession with squatting.

>>430259
hahahahah so true so true

Subletting your sublet...

>>Business fag here

I own and operate a successful computer store/repair shop. Going to be celebrating my 5 year anniversary this coming June. I learned a lot since I started so hopefully I can help someone interested in the same field. Feel free to ask any questions.
**So you wanna fix computer for money?**

- You don't know as much about computers as you think you do. I always see neckbeards come in boasting about their sweet gaming builds only to see some of the worst combination of parts/handywerk on this side of africa. I highly recommend working somewhere first or even interning before trying to start your own gig. I see way to many solo repair guys out there who claim to be able to fix most items only to fuck it up even worse. Get training, it makes the rest of us look bad. I have been doing tech work for 8 years and I still learn new things/tricks every day.

- Under promise, over deliver. General rule of thumb anywhere really. If a client asks when they could expect to get something back tell them a week when you know it's something you can do in a day or two. That way your not stressing yourself out trying to get something done for a customer when unforseen problems come up and they always do. Install some free software at no extra charge, people love the word free. I give all my customers a free 1 year copy of avast. This alone gives me tons of business.

- Present yourself professionaly. Don't meet a client wearing sneakers and a t-shirt. You won't be taken seriousley. A little bit of effort will go a long way. Clean yourself up, buy some cheap kahkis and a polo from goodwill or wherever. A customer not only will respect you but they will also be more willing to pay whatever your asking since they will feel you are someone who knows what they are doing. Invest in some business cards, fliers, pens. You want to get your name out there, give them out like candy to all your clients.

>>430276
- Offer free pick up and delivery. This will open up a huge window of business that you could be missing out on. I get a lot of elderly people who don't know how to computer, a lot of the time they can't drive because of old age/health reasons so having someone that can come out and help them is a life saver.

- This isn't a business for introverts. If you can't make small talk and be personable with out coming off as creepy your not gonna be successful. As a business owner you have to be able to make friends and network in order to grow your business and get new clients. If you have a hard time talking with people then work on that before you start.

- If you are young you will have a really hard time getting/maintaning business. Even if you can program in 8 languages and build a computer blindfolded its not going to help you if people look at you as a child. Like I mentioned before it has a lot to do about how you present yourself. Get a older brother or friend that could help you deliver computers to clients and do the repair work yourself.

- Offer sometype of warranty with your service. It will help you get more business if your customers know that you back your work. Computers will come back, it's a given. Electrical problems aren't always straightforward and easy to solve.


That's some basic stuff that I can think of right now. I'll wait and see if there's any interest to post more.


>>I typed this up during work, yes there's spelling errors.

>>430261
>settlers didnt come in, say hey ill pay you 5 beads a month to live in ur tent, then not give them the beads, refuse to leave, and then trash it on the way out.
So you think it would be better to murder half the landlord's family, make him sign over all his properties at gunpoint, drive him off into some particularly unliveable wilderness, and live in what was his personal house? That's somehow more respectable?

>note the CRUCIAL DIFFERENCE of that nonpaying tenants and squatters want the luxuries of ownership with none of the responsibilities. they dont want to repair things, or pay the taxes, or the utilities.
I suppose you've been in many situations where the nonpaying tenant was offered ownership of the property, and they said, "No! We don't want to own it! And we demand that you pay the taxes on it!"

>>430279
*sigh*
the point is that we are not talking about a fight over land. the ownership is settled. this is a CONTRACT dispute. RIGHT to the land does not enter into it. even if it did, the landlord wins, but IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

these properties routinely go up for sale at foreclosures and get get GIVEN back to the banks because nobody wants them. i have seen them purchased for $100 at a foreclosure sale. The tenants make no effort to pursue ownership because they're pieces of shit that don't just want ownership free and clear, they want to be GIVEN things for free. if they bought the unit for $100 at foreclosure, they would still have to pay $250 a month in fees for utilities and common area maintenance. similar issues arise when these people actually buy a unit- they simply dont pay the fees, resulting in the rest of the tenants having to absorb the cost of their delinquency. some units are behind to the tune of $25,000, which is more than the property is worth.

so, yes, actually, there are MANY TIMES where that situation has arisen here is how.

1) shitbrick tenant stops paying rent
2) landlord uses rent to pay association fees, stops paying because tenant stopped paying. does not have money to evict.
3) association forecloses on unit
4) at foreclosure sale, of which notice is given to tenant and owner, nobody offers to buy unit.
5) association takes ownership of unit
6) shitbrick tenant refuses to leave, refuses to pay, fucks up unit.

Tenant was given opportunity to claim ownership for little to nothing, chose not to do so, expected to continue living there without cost.

what the fuck do you know about this shit? have you ever actually dealt with any of these issues? do you have any education in the areas of law or real estate, or are you just on some anarchist bullshit you saw on the internet?

>>430276
>I give all my customers a free 1 year copy of avast.

yah I'm not coming to your place.

>>430297
People who go to a computer repair place never know much about computers.

How your customers perceive you will have very little to do with the quality of your work, unless you fuck things up constantly.

Think like Apple: do things differently, even if it's worse, and make them think it's special.

>>430301

I have a hot pixel in my screen which I obviously can't fix on my own without ordering a new screen from china and taking apart the plastic/metal/whateverthefuck screen assembly. did it once before but I'd rather have a pro do it. now i think i'll just leave it.

>>430295
>Tenant was given opportunity to claim ownership for little to nothing, chose not to do so, expected to continue living there without cost.
>little to nothing
>not nothing
>more than the rent he already can't afford

Jesus man I just said you get them at a foreclosure sale for $100. no, you cannot live legally 100% free.

>>430306
Have you tried massaging the area of the pixel gently with your finger? That sometimes does the trick to fix it.

>>430305
boo fucking hoo. you want money, get a job. start a business. those deadbeat tenants have money for cigarettes, drugs, and alcohol, but not rent? give me a break.

>>430238
>if you fundamentally disagree with the idea of private property, then do not enter into a lease bound by that idea.
Also, if you fundamentally disagree with the way local municipalities treat water, then do not stay hydrated.

>>430301

That's why the first thing I mentioned was about getting proper training and experience. If you can do good work and present yourself professionally then you can have a nice income even if you do it on the side.

>>Think like Apple: do things differently, even if it's worse, and make them think it's special.

You won't get far with that mind set.

>>430306

Doing it yourself is always a good learning experience. If you ever do decide to take it somewhere I would talk with whoever is working there and get a feel for how knowledgeable they are on the subject.


We get lots of customers who are your typical don't know shit about computers type but we also do a fair amount of work for people who are knowledgeable but not experienced enough to do it them selves. For example a power jack repair, not many people are comfortable soldering so they bring it to us. When we do it we will also clean out your heatsink/fan and repaste your CPU for you at no extra cost.

Thats the type of stuff that you need to do to be successful.

>>430297

Completely missing the point.

>>430126
I have often seriously considered committing a crime to get sent to prison. There are times in my life I could really have used that three hots and a cot...

>>430341
lolol fuck bro if you don't like the way they treat water, and you don't want to pay rent, you're going to have to gtfo of country.

collect your own water if you don't like it numbnuts. or drill a well.

you have yet to provide any constructive commentary about how the system should work, or how these tenants should be handled. what say you?

>>430360
>lolol fuck bro if you don't like the way they treat water, and you don't want to pay rent, you're going to have to gtfo of country.
There isn't a civilization untouched by the corporate empire we live under, though. There's no country to GTFO to.

>collect your own water if you don't like it numbnuts
Yes, out in public. I should be able to get myself enough usable water.
>or drill a well.
Without my own property, this is more illegal than squatting.

The only option, if you don't like it, is to die. You either die, or you get called a "shitty person" by someone who make a career out of preying on the poor and uneducated.

>you have yet to provide any constructive commentary about how the system should work,
The point of contention here is that you believe to be above the people wrecking a landlord's shit.
YOU are the one who thinks it should work differently. You're the one who has failed to show an alternative.

I think the easiest way to deal with evicting tenants is to let them know that that they need to leave, and that they'll be given a cash moving-out-bonus for leaving the property on time with no damages. It's so much cheaper than dealing with an eviction plus repairs.

>>430369
see my post
>>430337

nobody is entitled to anything. you have to give to society, and not just take all the time. get a job, and stop complaining. give back to society, and don't be a leech like the deadbeat tenants the lawyer evicts.

maybe they'd have some marketable skills if they paid attention in school, and stopped hitting the crack pipe.

>>430337

haha, so much this. I couldn't believe it until I saw it.

At the subway the other day, waiting for a couple of friends, there was this short old wrinkled lady, running around with a paper cup. she showed me a handful of coins and counted them to me in some foreign language, and then made shrugging motions while looking at me. she had like four euros or something. a little while later (like half an hour) someone gave her a coin, and she went straight for the newspaper stand and bought herself a pack of cigarettes.

shit like that is real. it's unbelievable, but it's real.

>>430369
how in the fuck is the point of contention that i believe i am above someone. I don't "pretend" to be above someone; I fucking am. I put myself through school, opened my own law firm, pay my rent on time, and evict the fucktards that don't let me help them. I do not "prey on the poor an uneducated" i educate them, i explain everything, i try to give them the best available option, and they don't fucking listen.

The status quo is THE CURRENT LAW, not "people wrecking a landlord's shit." It sounds like you're basically saying that they should be allowed to take property that isn't theirs and wreck the landlords property, and that if I don't like it have to prove that it should be otherwise? I think I've done that.

I have shown an alternative; bargained for exchange and mutual respect.

>>430370
tried this bro, believe me, tried everything. here's how it goes.
L: listen, i need you to leave, an eviction costs me $200. I'll give you $200 get out by friday if you leave the property in good condition.
T: sounds good man give me $200 bucks and ill leave
L: no, you have to move out and leave it in good shape, i will meet you here at move out to pay you
T: ok friday morning at 9am come by and well do this
L:OK

friday at 9am:
L: hey, remember our agreement? yea, i can't help but notice you're not gone
T: eat shit

they don't take it because another month where they are is more valuable than the money offered to get them out. even if you offered them more than a month's rent they're not going to agree since they can drag out the eviction, and they roll the dice on whether you're bluffing or not.

in the end, they wreck your shit anyways because they're vindictive degenerates with nothing to lose.

also lol "corporate empire" do you understand social contract theory? that governments and municipalities exist for a reason? order? rules? safety? comfort?

>>430378
$200 isn't enough money to induce brain activity in some of these people. Evictions encourage tenants to damage your property which can cost thousands in repairs, so offer them $1000 as a move out bonus to mitigate your losses. That will get their attention. It may seem like a lot of money to give, and you'd be rewarding their unsavory behavior, but at least it will get them off your backs so that they can't cause even more damage.

>>430378
ALSO,
Every once in a while, they listen. For example, single mother with 2 kids lost her job house got broken into, got behind on the rent. Posted 3 day notice, sent her a courtesy letter asking her to call me to talk about it. She did, and I helped her get emergency rent assistance from the county and a local church. She paid the 2 months she was behind, got a job, and is doing fine. She sent me a handwritten thank you note 2 weeks later.

FURTHER:
lets have a look at this anarchist utopia you would have. you find some land with no ownership rights attached. you take it. to be fair, it has to be undeveloped land, you cannot justify taking something that someone else has built unless they've abandoned it or given it to you.

so, you claim this land. you water but no power, great. i guess you can rough it. but wait, A CHALLENGER APPEARS. some guy breaks into your hut while you're out foraging berries and claims it as his! What do you do?

Do you just let him have it because you have no more right to it than he does?

Or do you fucking kick him out because it's yours?

Private Property does not equal Personal Property. Even if you don't own it, there are rights to use that all persons acknowledge innately.

So tell me, what do you when someone tries to take your property from you?

>>429913
learn new skills, try new things. If you cant do that then you deserve to be a drone.

>>430381
dude thats what im trying to tell you, LOGIC DOES NOT APPLY TO THEM.

we have promised a very large cash bonus for vacating without damage, and they simply refuse to leave. either that, or they think its a trick and say no to the money, then trash it anyways when they leave.

there is a second problem with it:
if an eviction costs the apartment manager $300 in legal and $325 in filing fees, he could offer $625 cash for keys, but somebody has to negotiate that. the cost of paying someone for that service comes out of the $625. its just not enough cash.

they're broke, so even $1000 isnt going to get them into a new apartment. so they dont take it.

plus there is a sec. deposit that usually covers the damage so it doesnt make sense to offer such a large amount.

esp. here in florida, where i can evict in 2 to 3 weeks and have a new tenant in by the end of the month, its not worth it. =(

>>430388
Bring a stack of money with you and wave it in their faces. In fact, give them a couple hundred right there to show that you're good on your word and promise the rest tomorrow, or offer to give an even bigger bonus if they move out right then and there. There's got to be a way to reach these people because every other way of dealing with it is even more expensive.

>>430375
so true. we go by these units that are late on rent, and they have a dog, and a tv, and they're smoking, and theres weed on the coffee table, and beer bottles in the garbage.

but they don't pay the rent.

these people are not commrades making a political stand like pinko-anarchist-anon, they are just deadbeats

>>430391
omg bro
>bring a stack of money
>stack of money
>get shot

>give them a couple hundred
>never see it again
>they dont leave
>still have to evict

thats the thing man, eviction is the cheapest way. DIY eviction is $325, i do them for $625.

the problem really comes when the 24 hour notice goes on the door. thats when shit breaks loose. up until that point they dont break anything because they are just ignoring the whole situation.

but when the writ goes up with 24 hours until the sheriff comes to forcibly remove them, they turn into animals and wreck things.

what we REALLY need is a way to prevent damage during those last 24 hours. as in, a sheriff comes and checks up on it every few hours and if theres new damage he fucking arrests them.

>>430396

you can't sue them if they wreck shit? why don't you include a "you wreck shit, you buy shit" clause in the rent agreement?

>>430371
>you want money, get a job. start a business.
Haha, an uneducated person escaping poverty by getting a job.

>improving conditions by not complaining.
Only for yourself, if you luck out. Not complaining is the worst thing for a demographic solution.

>nobody is entitled to anything
Exactly. Poor or rich.
>give back to society
1) You just contradicted what you just said about entitlements.
2) Giving to society =/= giving to the ownership class, which is the way you'll get out of poverty.
3) You imply the coming wave of automatic manufacturing wasn't built on the poor's backs.

>don't leech like a deadbeat
Supreme irony.

>mentioning school
I don't think you understand the extreme risk college is for someone who went through the bottom of the US's public educational system.
Those schools are full of the lowest performing teachers, the worst supplies, the worst behaving students (that is, if you live in a zone designated for shit schools, they'll import all of the bad kids from other zones into your schools), and an incentive for teachers to make you fail. Even if you are a diligent worker, you are extremely unprepared for college and the debt risk is much greater for you than the average middle class American.

>>430375
>begging on the street for cigarettes
What fucking scum. The money should have been confiscated to pay her landlord.

>>430378
>how in the fuck is the point of contention that i believe i am above someone. I don't "pretend" to be above someone; I fucking am.
Because this is where people are disagreeing with you.
You believe you "fucking are" a better person, people disagree with this notion, hence, this is the point of contention.

>I do not "prey on the poor an uneducated" i educate them, i explain everything, i try to give them the best available option
for the landlord. You're educating them on how to get the fuck out of your client's way, not on how to protect themselves against your client.
You're making a business model out of minimizing the damage done by a group of people who are cornered.

>The status quo is THE CURRENT LAW, not "people wrecking a landlord's shit."
The status quo is that people with money will fuck you, and that you will never understand the nature of how it even happens.
The status quo is that a war is waged against the peasant class, whether or not they participate in it or defend themselves in any way.
The status quo isn't defensible simply by declaring it. That might be how it works in your courtrooms, but not in a war.

>It sounds like you're basically saying that they should be allowed to take property that isn't theirs and wreck the landlords property, and that if I don't like it
What they're doing is ethically unsound. I'm not arguing otherwise.
The problem here is that you have the idea in your head that what you're doing is right. If anything, you're bigger scum than they are.

>I have shown an alternative; bargained for exchange and mutual respect.
A pittance given before being sent into destitution isn't really an exchange.
Your $200 isn't equal to the value they get by waiting for that eviction notice.

>>430383
>lets have a look at this anarchist utopia you would have
Let's look at a strawman you're fluffing up.

>>430416
>can you sue them
The landlord's already taken everything from them.

>>430383
Alright, let's address this strawman of how anarchism works (the notion that my argument is in favor of an anarchist society is another strawman in itself, by the way).

--I find unowned land somewhere
--Conditions for me to own it: it must be abandoned or undeveloped
--I claim it; it's not abandoned anymore
--A Challenger appears:
He must fill the same conditions I have.
It's not undeveloped or abandoned.

>foraging berries
That's not how syndicalist Spain worked.
They failed because they were attacked. Anarchism will fail because your law, your arm of enforcement, will kill them.

>>425904
Are you a Vancouverfag?

>>430451
Can you not grasp the difference between thinking you are better than someone, and them not having the legal right to do something? The truth of the latter does not imply the truth of the former. That said, who is disagreeing with me? It's just you. everyone else has said I am right.

>>430416
yes, evictions include a second count for damages, but that judgement isnt worth the paper its written on since 1) you cant find these people and 2) if you do they dont have any money

>>430434
regarding public school: fuck you. i went to a fucking D high school, made mostly A's got into a public university, took advantage of grants and scholarships and worked for the rest, then went to a public law school. you're so full of shit man.

>>430451
if what the tenant is doing is ethically unsound, but i am also wrong, then what is the right thing to do?

There is no strawman argument here. i have misstated nothing that you have said. you, on the other hand, continually manipulate my words and create disparate analogies- YOU are relying on a strawman argument, not me. In fact, you have failed to answer any of my questions.

what should i do/what is the right thing to do
what should the system look like
why is it wrong to enforce a contract
what would you do if someone tried to take your property

lastly, you jump to conclusions all over the place. you say that the tenants' behavior is unethical. OK. then you say that what i'm doing isn't right, but you don't say why. WHAT IS THE RULE. you just keep reiterating a bunch of value criteria about class inequality, but you dont have any concrete answers. then you say that makes me bigger scum than they are, without justifying how that makes me even worse than them. what i'm doing isnt ethically unsound, its not illegal, and im 100% honest while doing it, so any issue you have with my behavior is ideological/political.

if you're going to have such stupid ideas you ought to at least be able to iterate them clearly.

>>430461
i'm not making any assumptions about what views you espouse. i also called you a communist and a socialist, since you have YET to say what the fuck you support.

and my example was not a strawman. in a lawless society, there is protection against one taking another's property other than self defense. your fallacy is here:

>he must fill the same conditions i have

wrong. he OUGHT to fill the same conditions i have. that is because those conditions appeal to a common rule of ownership rights.

but in an anarchist society, those rules dont exist unless you enforce them. in a perfect world, he OUGHT to not take your property, but he will. you have a valid right to it- you took it from noone, it is yours. he does not- he tried to take it.

here, the landlord owns the building because he bought it. the squatter tries to take it but has no right.

its a valid analogy that sets up a question which you failed to answer.

what would you do, in the presumed absence of property laws, if someone tried to steal your fucking house?

>>430471
"there is NO protection," typo

Where is McCarthy whe you need Communists crushed like the Ticks they are?
Whoever is raving about his anarcho-communist utopia can just fuck off to somalia where he can enjoy his week of actual anarchy until he gets shot by some warlord.

I which we could just sell those people that cause damage before getting evicted into slavery to repay what they rightfully owe.

>>430461
>They failed because they were attacked. Anarchism will fail because your law, your arm of enforcement, will kill them.

wow man somebody really drank the juice

>>430473
thats a little far man, but i'll say this:

i wish everyone could get what they want.

the anarchists can live in an anarchist society
the communists can live in a communist society
the capitalists can live in a capitalist society

lets check back in 20 years and see how everyones doing.

FYI, here's the anarchist country

>>430473
and heres the communist one

>>427146
>Reported

This takes me back to my Runescape days... Someone reported me for bug abuse... because "you're bugging me"

>>430469
>Can you not grasp the difference between thinking you are better than someone, and them not having the legal right to do something?
Yes, you have the legal right to evict people who have run out of resources.
This is different from you considering these people scum.
>That said, who is disagreeing with me?
I'm not the person arguing against property rights in general.
So, that's at least two people.

>regarding public school: fuck you. i went to a fucking D high school
>high school
>you're so full of shit man.
Wow. An anecdotal exception to a school system that is demographically failing.
You're the one full of shit, anon.

>if what the tenant is doing is ethically unsound, but i am also wrong, then what is the right thing to do?
To fight you and your client effectively, and not ruin the supply of rentable places for everyone else in their position.

>There is no strawman argument here. i have misstated nothing that you have said.
Yes, you have. "Your communism, you pink, your anarchist utopia." Even assuming I'm the other person arguing with you, saying "you can't solve anarchist or communist ethics in this thread, therefore you're wrong" is a strawman, because the claim wasn't made by me or the other person.

>what should i do/what is the right thing to do
Become a lawyer who defends tenants being abused by slum lords.
>what should the system look like
Do you mind if I avoid a question so broad?
>why is it wrong to enforce a contract
It's not wrong in itself, but when the contract is the only option available for a basic need, the contract is no longer voluntary.
>what would you do if someone tried to take your property
I'd act in my self-interest. But, depending on the circumstances, I'd lose an argument that I'm better than that person.

Gotta break up the post.

>>430469
>astly, you jump to conclusions all over the place. you say that the tenants' behavior is unethical.
No explanation required. It should be self-evident.
>then you say that what i'm doing isn't right, but you don't say why. WHAT IS THE RULE.
Explanation required! Funny how this works.
Because, per your example of the mother, if the city didn't bail you out ethically, your job would be to get her thrown into the streets. Because the landlord's rent collection is a higher priority than another human being able to survive.
>what i'm doing isnt ethically unsound, its not illegal, and im 100% honest while doing it,
Only when strictly looking at this in terms of law.
>so any issue you have with my behavior is ideological/political.
Just like the notion that the people are scum if they don't decide to leave their only place they can live because they can't afford the rent.

>>430471
>i'm not making any assumptions about what views you espouse. i also called you a communist and a socialist, since you have YET to say what the fuck you support.
Haha, just throw accusations until I volunteer to adopt one.
Pretty good.

>and my example was not a strawman. in a lawless society
Strawmanning again.
1) The argument isn't about whether anarchism is workable.
2) Lack of protection against the rules in an anarchist society is not typically a trait of anarchism.
3) Neither is lawlessness.

>wrong. he OUGHT to fill the same conditions i have.
In that case, I OUGHT to have found a place that was unoccupied, myself. I thought you were making an argument against how a system would work.
>but in an anarchist society, those rules dont exist unless you enforce them.
Just like in any other society. The means is different, is all.

>here, the landlord owns the building because he bought it. the squatter tries to take it but has no right.
By right of it being unoccupied, as described by the criteria YOU GAVE for your strawman, actually.
I just want to restate that my or the other anon's argument doesn't hinge on this argument you side tracked us into.

>what would you do, in the presumed absence of property laws, if someone tried to steal your fucking house?
The law would be what you described. Unoccupied territory. I would defend my property by the whatever protection the law afforded, and supplement what it didn't.

Sigh. Nobody has provided an answer as to what I ought to do if I'm not right in evicting the person. That is the crux of this entire argument: that I am doing something wrong.

>>430503
There's an abundance of poor people whose landlords aren't fulfilling their requirements, and would do well to withhold payment in the meantime.
You could represent them.

>>430451
You're the only person I've seen that's disagreed that he's above the deadbeats.

I'm not saying I necessarily agree with his saying that, but I just thought you should know that we're all very aware that it's you arguing and no one else.

>>430451
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>>430507
No, I'm at least the second person.

>>430508
>neo-libertarian argument tactics

>>430482
You know, commie-fag, If you'd like to avoid confusion, this is sort of what trips are for.

>Become a lawyer who defends tenants being abused by slum lords.
See, here's the problem; you can't expect anyone to take you seriously when you're fucking embellishing everything you post. Why is it necessary for flaw to change professions? Who's protecting the rights of the landlord? What would you say if the landlord allowed the tenant to squat, but stopped paying the power/water bill; should the landlord be expected to pay for these things, out of his own pocket?

>Do you mind if I avoid a question so broad?
Why? You've been rambling for pages. I'd offer a +1 on wanting your opinion here, because God knows no one outside of this thread does.

>The contract is no longer voluntary
I see the argument you're trying to make here, but the argument is just wrong. If you enter into a contract, except under duress, it is considered voluntary. That the alternatives to the contract may not be desirable does not make the contract any less voluntary. That you don't like how the contract works doesn't make it any less voluntary. My sister worked through school making 8 bucks an hour as a server. She couldn't afford a bunch of new clothes like she could when she lived at home. That she didn't like her situation didn't entitle her to be paid more by the proprietor of the business.

It's not a mark of political enlightenment to expect to be provided for; the great fallacy of anarcho-communists such as yourself is that they expect everyone else to provide for them without putting anything in, but they also refuse to accept the legitimacy of the state.

>>430506
Show me some examples of where this actually happens.

I'm not disputing that it happens, but show concrete examples. Documentation. I don't even give a shit if it's anecdotal, just show me.

>>430510
Right, so you have... two, two people out of let's say, 20 that I've seen in this thread so far (discussing this, anyways).

You're on /diy/. If you want socialist, leftist politics, go to >>>/b/ or somewhere else with a high population of edgy teenaged faggots.

>Implying the economics of libertarianism aren't the natural order of things, as opposed to the anarchist views you're espousing which basically follow the logic of "Okay so no rules, except for, I have these rules you all need to follow or it's not really anarchism and it doesn't count"
>Itslikewatchinga6yearoldatrecess.jpg

Well, the commie-fag succeeded, because the actually-interesting thread about capitalism is now finished.

Sad frog.

>>430506
You know, I represent tenants as well. But here's the funny thing:

1 none of them can afford to even pay me minimum wage for my work. How am I supposed to make a living helping them?
2 none of these "abused tenants" come to the table with clean hands. i have never seen a tenant being evicted by a slumlord that also was not in the wrong.
3 i actually give tons of free advice on avvo and lawzam to people up against shitty landlords that cant afford an attorney. Ultimately they dont want the landlord to repair or abide by the lease, they are just looking for a way out and a free place to stay. Side note, tenants are given the option to terminate the lease if they fall behind but never take it.
4 im actually quite liberal in my political beliefs, a large part of what angers me is these people abusing gov. Assistance.

You said i ought to defend tenants against slumlords. That does not tell me how to act in this situation. You would have me withdrawl rep from landlord? He doesnt deserve an attorney?

>>430507
I'm not better than the deadbeats because they can't pay rent, I'm better because I don't have such a sense of entitlement and I don't kick holes in walls when I don't get what I want.

That said people are people and I know everyone is capable of anything so I don't really think I'm inherently a better person, but I'm at least trying to be a better person than they are.

>>430518
>See, here's the problem; you can't expect anyone to take you seriously when you're fucking embellishing everything you post.
The existence of slums that live in places that break code, and therefore can legally withhold rent is an embellishment.
No, the problem is that these people can't pay up front.
>Why is it necessary for flaw to change professions? Who's protecting the rights of the landlord?
It clearly isn't necessary. He is.

>except under duress
That's not the sole criteria for self-determination. A voluntary act has to be a choice. Lacking a choice, the act can't be considered voluntary.
Either way, this is just a side track, for you to be able to spam "commie commie commie," because I disagree that people being evicted are the scumbags in this scenario.

>It's not a mark of political enlightenment to expect to be provided for
It's also not a mark of intellectual honesty to frame another person's argument as this.

>>430520
Sure thing:
http://www.alternet.org/story/156192/major_rent_strike_against_millionaire_slumlord_catches_fire_in_brooklyn
Lawfag could do this:
http://www.larryhparker.com/practice-areas/other-areas-of-practice/landlord-tenant-law-slumlords/

>You're on /diy/. If you want socialist, leftist politics
Edgy teenagers tend to be Randian nigger-haters these days.
>Implying the economics of libertarianism aren't the natural order of things
Neo-libertarianism =/= libertarianism. Also, >>>/b/, >>>/pol/.

>>430526
>Well, the commie-fag succeeded, because the actually-interesting thread about capitalism is now finished.
No faggot. You're the one spamming responses.
Renting isn't /diy/, and as soon as the lawfag came in here making his exclamation about how poor people are scum, the thread was over.

>>430549
OK, I'm not the one that derailed this. I was giving advice to anyone considering renting out a property as to the challenges of landlording. managing your own properties is certainly diy material.

If you don't even believe in capitalism or property rights, then you have the least to offer to a how-to-make-money thread, so just go away.

/thread

>>430539
>How am I supposed to make a living helping them?
Hence, if you want to make money in the exchange, you have to represent the opposing side of this situation.
Hence, scummy job.
>i have never seen a tenant being evicted by a slumlord that also was not in the wrong.
You see the person as not just making a bad decision, but an ethically unsound one when they wreck not a landlord, but a slumlord's property?
Because that puts your position in an even deeper trench than I thought you'd go.

>Ultimately they dont want the landlord to repair or abide by the lease, they are just looking for a way out and a free place to stay.
Which they can get!

>im actually quite liberal in my political beliefs, a large part of what angers me is these people abusing gov. Assistance.
You mean the whole Social Security population boom thing?
Kinda unrelated, kinda related. But really that problem was designed to hide the permanent unemployment crisis we're in.

>You said i ought to defend tenants against slumlords. That does not tell me how to act in this situation.
Hmm.
>You would have me withdrawl rep from landlord?
If that representation is simply to get people out on the streets, it hard to fathom that no innocent people aren't going to get trampled by something like that.
>He doesnt deserve an attorney?
What he deserves is another can of worms.

>>430542
>I'm better because I don't have such a sense of entitlement and I don't kick holes in walls when I don't get what I want.
Maybe because you have the mind to fight in effective ways. But if you didn't, and what you wanted was simply the capacity to survive, you might find yourself lashing out wildly.

A quick quote from that attorneys site:

Do your best to be a good tenant. Do your share and attempt to keep things as neat and clean as possible. You don't want to sink to the level of the slumlord. Making things worse will only hurt your case.
Do NOT withhold rent. Continue to pay your rent according to your lease or rental agreement. You do NOT want to give your landlord any opportunity to obtain leverage in the dispute.
Put your complaints in writing and send them to your landlord via registered mail, return receipt requested. The law prevents slumlords from retaliating against tenants who complain, and sending your complaints by registered mail is your proof that you have put your landlord on notice.
Save all the correspondence from your landlord that you receive. Start keeping a diary and take photographs.

Christ man youre

>>430559
>Maybe because you have the mind to fight in effective ways. But if you didn't, and what you wanted was simply the capacity to survive, you might find yourself lashing out wildly.

This sounds like survival of the fittest to me. No problem there.

>>430563
http://www.masslegalhelp.org/options-if-your-landlord-refuses-to-make-repairs

And from here:

>Tenants have a right to withhold rent because landlords are obligated to provide safe and habitable housing under the warranty of habitability. If a landlord breaks this obligation, a tenant's obligation to pay the full amount of rent stops until repairs are made. A tenant may want to withhold all or part of the rent, depending on the seriousness of the violations. The law does not state how much or for how long you can withhold.
>If you are considering withholding your rent, it is very important that you do it right.

Just another quick note.

>>430565
>survival of the fittest
>social darwinism
>liberal

No, you're definitely lawyer-minded.

>>430559
>You see the person as not just making a bad decision, but an ethically unsound one when they wreck not a landlord, but a slumlord's property?

No, meaning that in order to be successful in defending an eviction by a slumlord the tenant cannot have breached the lease first.

So if tenant is getting evicted for nonpayment of rent for the last 3 months, it doesn't matter that landlord did not repair the stove that broke 2 weeks ago. If its the other way around, tenant is still in the wrong as you cannot withhold 2 months rent for a $200 problem

>>430570
>slumlord
>neglecting property only after nonpayment
That's not what a slumlord is.
I'd be surprised that a lawyer would be so incapable of answering directly, except it's most likely tied to the very fact he's a lawyer.

>>430567
Are you trying to teach me landlord tenant law?

I know what the rule is. It depends on the state and city. You have to provide notice before withholding. You can only withhold all rent when certain violations occur. You cannot commit waste. You have to hold it in escrow.

And you better be in the right because its the one type of eviction that tenant can't win if they haven't paid rent.

The point i was making is that even the slumlord tenant attny says dont withhold rent because its difficult to prove that you were in the right when doing so.

>>424461
Fllaw, I'm the guy who originally asked about renting out as supplemental income. Honestly, I regret that this commie faggot appeared and derailed the thread with a pointless argument.

Anyhow, I am having a bit of difficulty understanding your complaints. You say tenants damage property when they get a 24 hour notice. And you can't sue them? The cops don't go get them? They don't go to jail? They don't count as fugitives if they don't show up in court?

Really? I mean, I always thought that if in America I walk into someone's house, break their shit, and they find out it was me, I'll have to pay for repairs at best and go to jail at worst. a tennant damaging property is the same. In fact it even says in the contract that the deposit is taken to cover small damage, and if you do excessive damage you'll have to pay for it.

Also, what about only renting to people who can prove they are gainfully employed? Won't you filter out most deadbeats that way? (I know you will have to deal with deadbeats anyway, being an eviction lawyer, but it seems like the landlord can avoid many problems with a little foresight.)

Also thanks for giving your perspective on this. I was entirely unfamiliar with how eviction works and what it's like.

>>430574
Did you even read the rest of the post?

How could I be more direct?

Ad hominem attacks, very good, getting defensive because you realize we see how full of shit you are.

>>430577
>Also, what about only renting to people who can prove they are gainfully employed? Won't you filter out most deadbeats that way?
Every year 150,000 jobs are created, and 250,000 social security cases are approved. I'm certain you can see why it won't filter the deadbeats.

>>430578
>Did you even read the rest of the post?
Yeah, but the problem is that you aren't describing a fucking slumlord.
>How could I be more direct?
The question was about slumlords. You'd answer more directly by not talking about a landlord in general.

>Ad hominem attacks, very good, getting defensive because you realize we see how full of shit you are.
>Commie commie commie commie commie, you've got to explain how society would work otherwise, and when you do, we're going to say you derailed the thread.

>>430577
thank you for rescuing this thread. heres how it goes in FLORIDA (ours is quick, some places take like 90 days):

1) april 1: 3 day notice. pay rent or surrender possession with in 3 days or we will evict. bunch of formalistic requirements, like payment has to be within the same county or you have to give extra time for a response via mail, etc. (which is in the code of civil procedure, not the landlord tenant law, so everyone fucks that up)
2) april 5: you draft a complaint, a summons, a certificate of service, and attach the lease and 3 day notice. you make certain numbers of copies of each and take them to the clerk of court. pay $185 filing fee + $10 for each summons. Count 1 (possession) and count 2 (back rent and damages) are 2 separate summons.
3) then you pay the sheriff $40 to serve the summons. this is official notice to the person that they are being evicted. if they cant find the person and give it to them face to face, they post it on the door. this would probably get served april 8.
4) they have 5 days from the date of service (excluding weekends and holidays) to answer the complaint. if nonpayment of rent is at issue, all rent due must be deposited with the clerk within 5 days. that means by the 15th.
5) april 16th: on the 6th day, if no answer is entered, or if an answer is entered but no rent deposited, i go get a default. the clerk declares the defendant in default (automatic win for me) then i go to the judge to get a default judgement.
6) judge signs the writ of possession, which is an order from the judge to the sheriff to kick the tenant out and remove everything from the property and put owner in control of it.
7) april 17th: sheriff posts writ on door with "24 hour notice" stamped on it
8) april 18th: 24 hours later he comes back and kicks them out.

so you can see how weekends and holidays intervene, along with the fact that the judges only hear ex parte m-th 9am-10am, so i cant get a default on a friday.

(continued)

>>430577
OK so now that i've outlined the process, here are the problems. the problems occur after step 8. i get a writ, and a default judgement for possession only. then i can go back after the eviction and get count I adjudicated, which is for back rent and damages.
problem 1: while you can use alternative service on the eviction, you HAVE to personally service a money complaint. meaning, someone has to hand it to someone. if the tenant is avoiding service, or has been evicted and their current location is unknown, you can't serve them, and therefore cannot get a judgement.

problem 2) the cops do not go get them. they do not pass go. they do not go to jail.

problem 3) they dont have to show up for the eviction proceeding, they forfeit their right to object by not showing up. its not contempt, and its not a subpoena. its just a summons. i just win by default.

problem 4) yes you are legally liable for the damage. but getting blood from a turnip is another matter. even if you serve them, and get a judgement, if they are living off welfare, the court isnt going to approve a garnishment. you cant take money they dont have.

gainfully employed doesnt mean much. people lose jobs. people have drinking and drug problems. everybody lies. the other problem is that because these specific apartments are very cheap, and not particularly nice, if people can afford it, they go elsewhere.

the sad thing is that the property could be really nice for people that just dont have a lot of money but are good people. but instead we get drug dealers and prostitutes - literally, i am not exaggerating.

the cops are already overloaded with other shit. theyre too busy stopping the dealers from shooting people to worry about the drywall the dealer kicked in on his way out.

i found my neighbors front door kicked in, and literally they said "well theres a lot of calls with the storm and power lines and all, is this an emergency?"
>i was calling 911

>>430577
also worth noting that i get hired by property management companies and landlords to clean up the mess when tenants go south.

they dont ask if its a good idea to put them in an apartment in the first place.

but yes, background screening is very important. security deposit is important. regular inspections are important.

so are gut instincts. and having a property that doesnt attract trash.

but so is having a good lawyer =)

>>430259
going to bed kids, i have to go to work in the morning.
filing an eviction on a guy that hasnt paid rent in 2 months and is dealing heroin out of his apartment.

Tomorrow will be a good day.

>>430607
Good night Anon, thanks again for the explanations. This helped me understand how legal procedure works for these things a lot better.

>>430476
I know it's Detroit but it looks like Gotham City. Fucking awesome.

wat

>>430239
Unfortunately, no I am in Tennessee but you could technically work anywhere, am I right?

I'm the OP of this thread and I own a GC business and want to dabble in other things. I've had to use Lawyers and its hard to find a good one.

>>430894
I'd be glad to help however I can but I am only licensed to practice in Florida. You can email me jessehclark@gmail.com if you ever have any questions guys

>>430908
Thanks bud! That was going to be my next question if I could have an email to shoot to ya sometime. Plus, I love networking with people.

>>430914
NP same here. i actually vacation up in NC outside of Clyde right by the Tenn. border, I love it up there.

oddly enough my GF's dad claims to do almost exactly what you do, GC green style, but he is a major tool, never paid child support, abandoned family, abusive, doesnt give a shit about them, started new family, etc.

i'm basically trying to figure out if he actually has money so i can help her family sue for the back payments, how is the green construction business up there?

def. shoot me an email, id be happy to help you with contracts and forms and whatnot, thats probably most of what you need, no? oh and permits shit lol

>>428451

Some designs focused on Strippers as clients. The important issuse is knowing how to make clothes. Some sewing threads here are going to be useful.

>>431015

Forgot the link. Sorry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5s2gf8KUU0

>>430934
I love the East Tennessee area and hope at some point to move over to that area -- absolutely beautiful there.

It's not that great anymore, for me anyhow. I did work with the state doing Weatherization projects in the West TN area but money dried up but had some real good years with it. Many of the so-called 'Green Contractors' here aren't very effective from what I've encountered. Lots of half-ass jobs. Is he a GC here in West TN? I could possibly know of him, if he claims to be. Recently, I've been doing more real carpenter work. I forgot how much I dislike it lol. I've been doing this work on and off since I was 16 (almost 26 now). My dad did it so I kinda followed suit and am ready to move to something different.

I've been contemplating getting into the real estate game. Property is cheap here and I've considered even going the 'slum lord' route (accepting section 8). It's just a toss-up for me to get involved just knowing that headaches that will come with it.

I know this is off-topic but did you enjoy Law School? I've always thought I'd be interested in becoming one. I don't think I'd be a good trial lawyer but more of the non-litigating type, maybe patent lawyer? I don't know. Any thoughts?

what else you guys got

>>431163
He is in Virginia his name is Gary Gallagher it might be Garry.

Law school was great, and I love the practice, but it was a bitch. I interned with and started right out of law school with a personal injury firm run by the biggest asshole I've ever met, I'm so gladto be on my own.

Patent law is a very sspecialized field with extra exams and usually requires a technical background. I concentrated in tort and property. There is some litigation but I too prefer the parts of the law that avoid the courtroom. I really am interested in land planning but that's tough to get into. The sun rail project here in Orlando is a big deal and development is finally picking up again. Sorry to hear things are slowing down upthere.

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