/diy/ - Do It Yourself

>>407377
Pic 2a/9 just an over view

>>407378
Pic 2b/9 just an over view

>>407379
Pic 3/9
Shelter
sleeping mat
4ft by 5ft tent(im looking for a one man tent or a hammock)
1, 9ft by 7ft tarp
7ft by 5ft tarp
tri-fold shovel

>>407381
Pic 4/9
Security
Phrobis III m9 bayonet/w Gerber multi-tool(in sheath) and Phrobis sheath
Handcuffs and keys
Knife sharpener
2 throwing knives(for spear heads or certain traps)
Gerber multi-tool
Rifle/pistol cleaning kit
All-purpose knife fixed blade
All-purpose knife folding blade
Skinning knife set (one fixed blade/w gut hook, and one folding blade.)
Knife sharpener
50 9mm fmj
Not pictured 9mm berretta 92fs type m
Depends on the situation I also have a hunting compound bow and 24 arrows in its quiver

>>407383
Pic 6/9
Food
I have over 12 thousand kcals worth of mix and matched MRE food that I actually eat, mainly wheat snack bread, crackers and peanut butter but there is a great variety in the meals.
Salt and pepper shaker
Mess kit(unfortunately its aluminum whenever I can find one I am going to trade it out for a better one)

>>407382
Pic 5/9
Fire/light
Magnesium fire starter/striker and steel
Magnesium fire starter/ striker
Hobo alcohol stove
Leak protected zippo
Candle
Multiple glow sticks only one pictured
Flashlight/w batteries
Great flash light
Butane lighter refill (lighter in med kit)
Disposable bic lighter new

>>407384
Pic 7/9
Water
Metal water bottle
Camelback will be filled prior to evac
Carbon filter drinking straw
Water purification tablets

>>407386
Pic 8/9
Misc
Going from the right column left
Carmex lip balm
Electrical tape
Small new testament bible(not religious but you never know)
Compass
2 locks with keys

>>407390
9/9
Clothes
3 socks (black socks on black rug what was I thinking)
3 underwear
3 shirts
2 pair of blue jeans

>>407388
cont
Fishing kit
Map reading compass
Mechanical pencil
Burts Bees lip balm
Leatherman multi tool
Magnifying glass
Precision screw driver set
100ft para cord
Rain poncho
Zip ties

>>407391
Well that’s it. I am currently looking at these bags to put all of this stuff in so I might have more room, I either want to get
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/MOLLE-980 b/c my tent will fit flat against the sides
or
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/MOLLE-124

please rate and suggest any items that need to go in to my bag, some items that are missing are in my med kit(stupid redneck /k/omandos)
p.s. word is great for long post like this. I wrote all of this at 11o'clock last night took an hour and a half, took less than ten minuts to post it all.

How much does that sucker weigh?

>>407396
I havent actually weighted but w/out the mat and tent its only feels like 35-40 pounds. but the way I loaded the pack it doesnt feel too heavy.
I work on a ranch and am used to throwing square bales and 50lb sacks of feed, so this isnt really to bad.

Less than I thought. How hard is it to dig through? because if it's easy to assemble and disassemble it looks solid.

this pack mainly stays in my truck for emergencys(the shovel has gotten me out of many problems) but if its needed most things like the phrobis come out of the bag and attach to the waist strap.

>>407400
most of the heavily needed items are in the outer pocket, all of the clothes, and food are in the big compartment.

To many knives for my taste, I know each one has a purpose but still to many. Rather carry 1-2 good knives and save room/weight.

Sorry mate looks good but too "security" orentated than practical in my personal oppinion, just personal preferance. Also can ditch a fair bit and put more food in. get a folding .22lr for small game as that is what you can reliably eat realisticly. Also paking ammo 100 rounds weighs nothing. Not impossible but taking small game with the berreta at a realistic range is hard for even great shots.

>>407407
I could really leave out the 2 throwing knives but the weigh almost nothing.
the both of the allpurpose knives could be left out but those are the knives that if they break, I could care less.
the phrobis is a thick bladed knife that will be used for crearing vines or cuting small soft wood trees for shelter.
and the skinning knife I will only use for skinning. besides all of these knives are scatered in differnt pockets so if one is needed its not to far away.

>>407377
Solid bag op. HOWEVER
You need significantly more food and socks. You need at least 6-10 pairs. You should change those puppies about every 3 hours of walking. Especially with a heavy ass pack trying to escape god knows what. Air out your feet if you get the chance then switch em out. More so once you get established its not like you're going to make socks outta fucking leaves or some shit. Also trim those MRE's down on candy (unless you already did) and jam pack those bitches.

tl;dr SOCK N FOOD NIGGA

>>407410
the berretta is not with the pack for the main reason, its self defence only or for bigger game. something I never mention in the types of theads is the most important tool you have with you is your mind. I allways am on the look-out for new types for snares, traps, and techniques for catching small game. a few I have even tried with some success.

>>407413

Seven knives is still a lot, though the weight of each of them might be light, it still adds up and takes up room. I rather just have quality over quanity when it comes to my knives. I myself would not pick a military bag, given it is good due to it being strong and having many pockets, it still sticks out a lot and could make you a target for some one who needs crap.

>>407415
the socks issue i have been considering for a while, but the food has been trimed, the food is all of the high calorie foods that come from a box of MREs no candy bars or shit like that. the reason I dont have more food is my bag is simply not big enough to handle it. that why I want one of those bags I mentioned
Oh by the way the area I live in is north of central louisiana. so thats why not much cold weather gear.

>>407415
samefag

>>407423
There have been times when I was willing to trade food from an mre for socks to one of my squadmates because I didnt' pack enough. shit gets wet or just sweaty and it feels like its rubbing holes in your feet. No me gusta.

looks like a pretty solid kit. I bought a North Face Terra 65 to use as my BOB. a little pricey but very comfortable which i figured was worth it when you don't know how long you'll be carrying all that stuff. Maybe trade out some knives for one of those folding saws. They cut through thick branches like it's nothing which will save alot of energy in a survival situation

my opinion,....
im drunk and german, so please dont care about grammar!

i would pack a wetstone instead of these pull=sharp things

why do you have so much locks in your pack?

put some more zipties instead of handcuffs, they are multifunction an lighter.

put some more BIC's in your pack, they weigh nothing and are sure fire.

i would carry only one pair of jeans

i would recommend to get a civil or olive colored bag,
camo looks paramilitary.
i have an camo-raincover for my bag.

also put important things on a belt which you carry all the time. so you can throw the bag away and can still survive

>my gear

>>407499
I never put one of those in my bag b/c every time I used one some thing would go wrong and I would either cut myself or break the blade,mabey if I had a higher quality one it would work better.

>>407511
I have a sharpening stone it's that black and orange thing all the way to the right in the security picture. Besides the phrobis has one built in to its sheath, along with a pair of heavy metal wire cutters.

>>407511
Since taking those pictures those locks have been use to lock my bow case.

Hand cuffs are in there b/c I feel safer knowing that if I need It I can depend on US steel instead of cheap plastic

The bag I'm looking at buying is black

The only thing I need on me out of this whole is a good sharp knife, with that I can pretty much procure every thing else I need.

You didn't mention a sleeping bag; you should definitely have one. A good night's sleep goes a long way towards keeping you sane, and you can strip an area of deadfall surprisingly quickly trying to keep warm with fire.

If establishing shelter in the woods is a possible goal, take an axe or at least a hatchet, and probably a spool of mason's line.

Unless it literally never rains where you are, replace those jeans with some nylon pants and that poncho with real rain gear. Wet people in cotton die with regularity.

>>407511
i'm sober now.

i forgot to mention,
that i have a shitload of knives.
a knife is the most important survival tool.
and when SHTF you can trade the crappy ones, or give them to your friends.

>>407597
in my opinion black is terrible color for innawoods

your right about the handcuffs

>>407417
>the most important tool you have with you is your mind.


>>407695
>keeping you sane

what exactly are you guys preparing for? zombies, or what?

>>407783
I was talking about, knowing the land and the flora and fauna. Plus if you can build some thing like a deadfall trap that saves you from having to carry extra stuff.
>>407695
Was talking about how fast not having a good comfortable nights can make you start having very bad days, ie being tired all day can lead to mistakes made when building a shelter.

I have a few suggestions/comments in random order.

A headlamp is way better than those flashlights. Much more practical and you can dim the light to make it last 100h on 3 AAA batteries. Glow sticks are heavy and only provide little light for a short period.

There is no need for an alcohol stove if you dont bring alcohol. Bring small wood burning stove instead along with 3-4 ounces of resinous wood in small pieces if everything is wet.

Throw away the bible and bring a small wilderness survival book instead.

A few teabags/instant coffee are good for boosting morale when everything is cold and wet.

Why both gerber and leatherman multitool?

Do not bring cotton jeans. Bring something polyester or mix between 65% polyester and 35% cotton. They will dry much quicker and be lighter.

Bring something brightly coloured. For instance a yellow sleeping mat or tarp. It will help you get found by helicopter.

Screwdriver set? In the woods. Why?

A couple of condoms will hold a few litres of water, but can only be used once or twice.

Ducttape is stronger than electrical tape. Also consider micropore tape in your medical kit. It is good for all sorts of purposes.

Two types of lip balm. Why?

A mechanical pencil can break. Bring normal pencil.

I would also guggest a small folding saw or hatchet instead of some of those knives.

It is a very nice BOB. You could do with a lot less and still reach the goals mentioned.

Feel free to ask question. I have a lot of experience from Scandinavian woodland and mountains.

>>407377
>72hr

Mah nigga!

I haven't heard the term "72 hour pack" since SAR training in1998. I think you're the first credible sounding Anon in a long time to talk about a bug out bag.

My only criticism of your 72hour pack is the lack of actual water.

My question:

Do you also have a 24hour pack or did you find it redundant?

You don't need multiple tools to do the same job. Being prepared is good, I was a Boy Scout after all, but I've never understood the need for people taking so much stuff for 72 hours. A tent or a tarp is fine. You don't need a tent and 2 tarps. Two multitools for a couple days in the woods? Why? Excessive amounts of fire starters and knives. You have multiple things of lip balm. Take some Vaseline instead, you can use it for lips, fire, oiling knives and guns, etc..

Realistically you should be able to survive 72 hours in the woods with nothing under most circumstances. It depends on situation of course, 3 days on a freezing mountain above the tree line would be hell, 3 days on clear fall nights nice forest would be relaxing. Either way extra weight is gonna slow you down if you need to stay moving.

>>407975
Yeah I agree that there are some redundancies. To answer your question about why a 72 hour pack has so much stuff in them is because the purpose is not mearly to survive for 72 hours, but to go those 72 hours without having to slow down at all because you couldn't eat as much as you normally do or sleep as well or drink as much water. In the scenario these have in mind, your not just trying to stay alive for those 72 hours, your hiking for miles or running for your life.

>>407898
Thanks for all of the suggestions! I will try to address the all. one of the reason I have so many redundancies is if something does happen in real life I don’t plan on leaving alone, I plan on at least leaving with my family or a group of friends, and if say something like them movie red dawn happened (I’m not preparing for an invasion it's just the only scenario I could think of) I would probably be the only prepared person in the group so my packs many redundancies can be spread out to the group.
the yellow flash light is meant for close light at night, but the black metal one is like a mini spot light I can see reflecting eyes with it at 100yds.
The alcohol stove is prepacked and sealed (dipped in wax then wrapped with tape) then filled with alcohol.

I really don’t need the bible but again it’s more for comfort besides when I’m not doing this (internet surfing) I’m usually outside shooting my bow, hunting (when in season) reading/watching survival guides. My main goal is to go camping for 2 solid weeks (or more) with only what’s in my pack.
I do actually have coffee in the repacked MREs that I forgot to mention.
IDK why I have both maybe in case one breaks
I have never found any pants that I like in polyester.
If I did go into the woods I wouldn’t want to be found, but in case I do I do have orange flagging, mirror, shiny reflective blanket
IDK it literally weighs close to nothing its aluminum with simple steel tips.
If you want me to post the med kit I can but it will take a few hours because the pictures were horrible and I will have to take new ones.
Thinking about getting a folding saw.
and yes what do you feel should go into a medium sized fishing kit I’m planning on taking one of my old but still good reels and some hooks but IDK what else.

>>407967
This pack stays in my truck or in my room, I do have a 24 hour bag that I take with me on hunting trips but it has no where near the same stuff in here. b/c all of my hunting stands are on estabilish shooting lanes and good trails. in my 24 hour pack I always have 1 or 2 water bottles with me and some snack food nothing major. the reason I dont have packed water in the camelbak is if something does happens it will take a day or two to happen, the metal bottle is always full though and gets change about once or twice a week b/c I drink it then refill it

I'm poor. Can I be prepared to bug out on a very small budget? What can I do to learn to survive?

>>408021
>>407967
i love the 72 hour concept, i learned a while ago, i think it goes like this.

72 hour for car
24 hour for BOB
3 weeks for your house.

Of course you can modify to your preferences, but it was something that i was teached, i dont remember where or when. But is a good concept to have a goal when you are putting together one of this things, i see in most thread people who add stuff that just kind of makes sense, but with no real purpose, sure you need water, but for how many days? batteries? etc.

>>408038
be homeless for a week or 2, then you are ready, really poor people, and hobos will survive apocalypse because for them is just another day.

MRE's are decent tasting but Mountain house and other freeze dried food are actually good to eat and save you weight. (You do have to use extra water with them tho)

I suggest you invest a couple of bucks into decent food you'll acutally like eating.

Also go hiking with the bag a couple of times you'll notice very quickly what you will and wont use. There is no way us can decide or judge it for you. Everyone else uses his tools differently

>>408625
I have always wanted to try those mountain house meals but I really don't want to spend the 12$ I've found them at, literally the most expensive thing I have in this bag that I bought is the water purification stuff. I pack the MREs b/c they are meals ready to eat, and I like that about them, if I had what I wanted I would get some of those 3600 kcal meal bars. Some thing I just recently put in my bag is 2 5-hour energy shots, but they are not going to be for single use, the nutrition facts says that amount of vitamin b-12 is 8333% of your daily recommended value. So if you only are able to catch a small amount of food, vitamin b-12 helps metabolise protein and carbohydrates.
>>408038
The bag, camelback, knives, ammo, tent, and shovel were all given to me by my retired military supply sergeant father. The MREs that I have (40+ cases) were going to be thrown away b/c they were on a 18wheeler and had got wet. We also get the MREs that the hurricane relief people give out. Most of the other things come from junk drawers from around my house, or were found at garage sales.

>>407898
>Do not bring cotton jeans
1000 times this, OP.

i highly recommend a pair of light hockey pants, as they are wind proof, fire retardant, water resistant, and just as warm if not warmer and ten times easier to run in.

Pro tip: they often have drawstrings and zippers on the ankles. roll them up if they get too hot.

if your bob was just a small medkit, a sleeping bag (appropriate temp) and water then you would be fine in almost any situation.

You can go weeks without food, and there's certainly no need to skin animals and chop things up.

Here's everything in your bag that I think is silly:
Shelter - sleeping mat, why? tent and 2 tarps - why not just 1 tarp?

everything in "security" - 2 multitools? 6 knives? 2 sharpeners?? Bow and handgun? Handcuffs? Maybe consider just 1 knife, and don't sharpen it to a razor edge (so you won't need to take a sharpening kit). In an emergency you can sharpen on any abrasive - eg concrete or granite.

Fire/light - Either you are bad at typing, or once again; 2x mag fire starters and strikers, a hobo stove, zippo, candle, glow sticks, flashlight, flashlight again, lighter refil, a lighter?!? What on earth? For light you need 1 torch. For fire you need 1 magnesium rod - use a knife as a striker (you have 6 knives after all - one is made of steel right?). Besides why do you need fire? Your MREs do not need reheating, and judging from what you take to sleep on you aren't considering cold weather. Why do you need 4 lighters? Why do you need 4 light sources?

Food - It's tempting to take a ton of food to make you feel good, but why not just pack a jar of peanut butter? You can go without food for weeks. 3 days of MRE is nice and all, but it won't really help. A single jar of peanut butter is fine to make you feel good.

Water - metal water bottles are heavy, just use your camelback. Drop the commercial tablets and go with chlorine bleach. 2 drops purifies a litre - so with 8 drops you can purify your daily intake of 4 litres. 8 drops weighs about 0.4 grams. An eye dropper holds about 3ml, which is 60 drops if I'm not mistaken - enough for a week's water. I think a dedicated filter you can attach to your camelback would be better than a carbon straw.

>>408043
>survive by stealing from rich people and raiding their garbage
>will be fine in a scenrio where there is no more stuff to steal

hobos will die just as fast as everyone else. They will most likely die faster, as everyone else gets tired of their bullshit and preemptively shoots them.

>>409184
cont.

Misc - Electrical tape? Bible? Locks? Fishing kit (it's fine if it's just line and hooks though)? Mechanical pencil (what's wrong with regular pencils? They are lighter and you can sharpen them with a knife)? MORE lip blam? A THIRD multitool? Magnifying glass? Screw drivers?!

Clothes - 2 pairs of pants? 3 shirts (seriously in 72 hours you need 3 shirts + the one you are wearing?)? Even socks and underwear seem excessive in an emergency...


So here is my suggestion:

Shelter - poncho that can be used as tarp

Sleep system - sleeping back with appropriate temp rating

Security - Gun, if you must... Preferably a .22 revolver because it's small and light and won't fuck up, and the ammo is small and light too.

Fire - Magnesium firestarter (paracord it to your knife handle if you want)

Light - LED torch

Food - none or just peanut butter, but if you must have daily meals then go for high density carbs. MRE's are meant to be eaten as meal replacements over long periods, so they are not as dense or optimized for this purpose. Plus they are fancy and 'tasty' (YMMV). In an emergency you don't really care about getting a balanced diet. It's pretty much just about carbs.

Water - plastic bladder of some kind - pre-cleaned and filled (be sure to empty and clean it weekly or so to keep it fresh). 3+ liters is best, it should last you 3 days. Recommended intake is above 3 liters per day, but whatever it's an emergency - just don't be active and wait to be saved and you will consume less. Small bottle of chlorine bleach. Learn to use it. Write instructions on the bottle. You can filter with a shirt, or you can buy a filter for your bladder. Straws are terrible because that means you already have debris in your bladder...

Misc - Knife - steel, shiny, preferably convex grind, but whatever. Lip balm if you really must. Compass (preferably tiny). Fishing kit if you can really get to somewhere that you can fish - keep it minimal. Cordage of some kind.

KISS.

>>409191
cont.

PS: What is with the bible? You plan to trick god in to thinking you really are Christian by carrying a bible? Worthless extra weight because "you never know" logic...

Also, make sure to actually practice. Survival sport is good fun. Take 2 weeks sick leave then go out innawoods and test your shit. See if you are actually capable of hiking with all that crap comfortably, and if you really do need all that stuff.

>>409193
I'd carry a bible in a BOB for a whoooole lot of kindling and toilet tissue. Thin pages with a high cotton content sound like excellent firestarter.

>>409198
I once sucessfully used bellybutton fluff as tinder its a self replenishing resource.

>>409202
I threw up in my mouth a little at cooking over that fire.

>>409184

> For fire you need 1 magnesium rod

Good luck igniting anything wet with that...several lighters don't weigh much, having those is smart. Having a single magnesium rod is kind of stupid.

And the other stuff? Either you are a faggot who masturbates in his tent that weighs 10.2 grams less than the other guy's counterpart OR you just don't know what the hell you are talking about. Having several options is ALWAYS a good thing.

>>409198

>I'd carry a bible in a BOB for a whoooole lot of kindling and toilet tissue. Thin pages with a high cotton content sound like excellent firestarter.

there are christians on this board.

>>407377
The less "military" your backpack looks, the better off you are, bugout wise. Both of the packs you link later on are okish, but still not great. this image? No.

>>407381
You have a sleeping mat, two tarps, and a tent, but no blanket or sleeping bag? Ditch the tent, pack a good queen wool sleeping bag or down snugpack sleeping bag. A $15-20 hammock is a great idea, and compact. When you have money, replace the plastic tarps with better sil-nylon. It will reduce noise and weight.

>>407382
Ditch the handcuffs, replace with 100pack zipties+ small roll of duct tape. Same job, plus other jobs, and lighter.

Ditch the yellow knife sharpener. It will DESTROY most of those blades. I'd also ditch the stone and carry a Diamond Rod for sharpening tools you care about and a Speedy Sharp for sharpening tools you don't. Combined weight will be half of the yellow sharpener, and far more efficient.

Toss the cheep throwing knives, unless you actually know how to throw them, reliably.

Toss the pocket knife, period. You have three fucking sheath knives that look at least semi-decent. You don't NEED a crappy pocket knife as well.

>>407383
perfectly over-stocked. Three sources of fire, four if that cheep flashlight has a old school bulb. Toss a fresnel lens in your wallet and you're good to go.

>>407384
Buy a MSR stow-away pot (steel, smallest one you can find) and a titanium spork. I'd replace the MRE-s with a couple of 3600 calorie mainstay bars, or the like.

>>407388
I'd go with a 32oz steel bottle with nesting cup. If you don't choose to increase the size of the water bottle, at LEAST go find a steel cup that fits the bottom of the steel bottle you have. Handy for a million things in the woods, from making charcloth to coffee.

>>407388
Toss the bible, pick up fm 21-76 military survival manual or SAS survival manual. Better reading and more likely to help you in the bush.

Better compass.

Why two multi-tools?

More cordage!
Longer zip ties.

>>407391
Replace everything here.
Wool socks, six pairs minimum.
Don't you know ANYTHING about thermal regulation? Everything you have here is cotton. You do NOT want to wear cotton in a survival situation. It gets wet, it stays wet, and it KILLS YOU.

Most of the rest is ok...you'll get by. But this section? Failure. Absolute fucking failure.

For clothing, in order of preference (presuming winter survival, as snow has been mentioned as an issue) Wool. Synthetics. Period. No cotton, minus cotton bandanas for charcloth and first aid.

>>409259
>>409259
Dang I am away from computer for two days and a "less is more" vs. "always have multiple every thing" battle breaks out. I will try to address the issues and explain why some of the items are in my bags.

>>409184, >>409191 and>>409193
These are all really great suggestions but to me this is not a BOB, it is a puffed up version of a minimalist survival bag, this is for those head strong kids that some times post on here that ask for a kit to run away to the wood with b/c their parents wouldnt up grade their Iphone4s to the Iphone 5.
tl;dr these will maybe keep you alive but you will be running out of there as soon as possible.

>>409257
I LOLed probably harder than I should have.

>>409262
This is the section I need the most work in. I do need beter pants, and more socks. but regarding the whole "winter is coming" cotton kills in snow thing, I live in louisiana and it is very much pic related. I do have a wool blanket that does go with this but at the moment it is put away. I mainly have to deal with 50 degrees F in the coldest winter at night is might get below 40 but that is what all the fire starter redundancy is for.
What I do have to contend with is the 95-100 degree summers.

>>409259
I agree with you about the backpacks but I havent fout any civilian backpacks of good enough quality that wouldnt make me look like Im about to climb Mt. Everest.
I am looking for a hammock but with my blanket and a fire I doubt that there will be to many extremely cold nights.
I already discused why Im carring the handcuffs, and I will chunk the pocket knife.
I will look into to that pot and I thought about that spork.
I am actually looking or a solar/hand crank radio/flashlight combo that also has a usb port so I can have battery for my ipod, which has all of those survival manuals on it. my Ipod would be the only electronic thing(other than flash lights) I would bring with me.
I have three compasses(map reading, button, and military sighting compass) in my bag not including that I only need to be able to see the sun to find my orentation.

because.

and I do need more cord.

>>409383
>>409374
dang also me

>>409398
Look in to a Hennessy Hammock, they're pretty awesome.

>>409398
>I agree with you about the backpacks but I havent fout any civilian backpacks of good enough quality that wouldnt make me look like Im about to climb Mt. Everest.


Also, Kelty still makes three external frame packs. The Yukon, the Trekker and the Cache Hauler.

The weight/volume ratio is better with external frame packs (meaning you can carry more weight with a 60 liter external than you typically can with a 60 liter internal), but they're less ergonomic and they have a much higher center of gravity. Although you don't have any real mountain in Louisiana, so that's probably not as much of an issue.

>>409383
it's not just snow. It's not just wet. Walking all day in cotton in Nevada will kill you too....you sweat through your shirt, it drops down cold at night, and people have died.

In Louisiana...it still gets bellow freezing, some nights, in the winter. I know, I've been there, my dad is FROM there...a cold, foggy winter night in wet clothing might not kill you, but it will most definitely make your life suck.

As for the super hot summer...breathable 60-40 poly cotton blends are best. You dry quickly, but it's not horrible on your skin.

>>409398
Yeah, that's always an issue. Quality packs always draw eyes...I'd go with the all black pack in your "i'm thinking about" post.

I can't disagree with you strongly enough about the handcuffs...but hey, whatever makes you (erroneously) sleep better at night...it's significantly easier to slip out of a pair of metal handcuffs than it is to get out of six wraps of duct tape.

I'm all for a hand-crank flashlight/cellphone charger. I have one. Though it's not a radio. Either way, really.

I only saw the one compass, and since you haven't named the names, one assumes you don't really pay attention to makers of compasses. Some are good, some are ok, but you ONLY want to trust your life to the best compasses out there.

>>409398
I know what you mean about the way good bags usually look. Bright as fuck. That's why when I saw this I knew I had to have it... It's the best bag I've owned so far out of 3 over the years, and it's frog green I think they called it or something, maybe bullfrog green... Highly recommend the rei crestral. I got mine for a little under 200 last year using my rei dividend and a holiday discount.

>>409497
Shit here's the pic

>>409497
Thanks for being a member of the co-op.

>>409249
Magnesium sparks burn at 2000C. That's much hotter than a lighter. I've seen plenty of people light fires in rain, swamps or snow.

Carrying 4 of everything is ridiculous. 2 tarps, a poncho and a tent is crazy.

If you are worried about seasonal difficulties then make 1 general purpose pack, and have 1 pouch for winter which you can grab - if it's winter.

Carrying tons of weight just so you have options is stupid. This is 72 hours we are talking about, any of those tarps/poncho/tent would be fine. But when are you ever going to need 4 shelters in 3 days?

>>409661
by the way, yeah I prefer to carry multiuse and not redundant if I can. Weight is pretty important. Not sure what you are bugging out from, but movement is pretty important to me. There's not many situations that you can't just run away from.

>>409663

>Not sure what you are bugging out from

it's pretty safe to assume anyone in the usa who is preparing to bug out is one of those who is concerned about zombies.

there are places in the world where being prepared to bug out make sense. the usa is not one of them. being prepared to bug out in the usa is only a few steps from adam lanza mentality.

>>409683
You're right, I can't even think of a legitimate situation where a bug out bag would really be useful.

But I do think it's fun to build one, and camping is great fun too. If you're a minimalist, then it also helps to reinforce your beliefs - if you can survive for 72 hours out of a bag, why do you really need more possessions?

So yeah, I think it's fun, but not necessarily practical. I live in an area that doesn't have natural disasters. There has never been any kind of disaster here ever - no floods, hurricanes, earthquakes, volcanoes, fires, wars, gang violence, and obviously no zombie apocalypse. So I don't particularly understand why it would be necessary. But it's fun.

>>409692

>I live in an area that doesn't have natural disasters

that isn't what i picture when i think of a "bug out bag".

everyone should be prepared to spend a week or more without power and running water, especially if you live in an area that has occasional extreme weather. even nyc fell into this category this year. to me, this isn't what the "bug out" loonies are talking about. this is simply being sensible and prepared.

but being prepared to "bug out" sounds like you think the gubment is coming for your gunz and you ain't gonna let em, so yous goin innawoods. hell, even preparing for zombies makes more sense than that.

>>409696
I kind of agree, that's the extreme, but I'm sure if there was a storm these guys wouldn't hesitate to use their BoB.

Bags that read more like an armory than a survival toolkit are pretty ridiculous though. There certainly are a lot of people out there building to survive 'social collapse'

>>407383
>leak protected zippo
Haha. Look into peanut lighters. They are small and seal fully unlike zippos.

op,
if you can, pick up one of the ecotat tents..They're getting harder to find and expensive if you can find them, but worth it imo...

Poncho/tent and a lot smaller than your current shelter situation.

Kit seems pretty solid, if not over prepared. But one thing no one in here seems to have addressed? What are you gonna do when somebody (like me) seeing you exfil-ing or maybe you're already innawoods and they decide that pack looks pretty nice, and they put a nice acorn sized hole through your chest from 300yd? The "security" section of your bag is a joke, and I could make short work of you, maybe others would also be so desperate? I guess I'm not really sure what feelings prepper type people have about such a raider/marauder mentality? I'd pack light and take by force what I need, and if I get killed doing so well fuck it its SHTF
I feel like if you want to survive you better be prepared to kill strangers for their food. Idea don't sit well with me but...

What type of scenario are you prepared for? Because depending on how crazy you get (gubbment death squads, zombies, China invades whatever) you're gonna need more ordinance. Armor can't hurt either I guess.

>>410701
I agree with this guy in tha you need to be mentally prepared to do anything for yours and your loved ones survival.

And that you should look into getting a bulletproof vest. Maybe get a light under your cloths vest like I luckily have.

But if you really think deathsquads zombies invations and shit gonna happen, get yourself the bunker from terminator 2. That bitch had a gatling gun. Fuk them zombies. hahahaha

>>410701

I agree with this guy in tha you need to be mentally prepared to do anything for yours and your loved ones survival.

And that you should look into getting a bulletproof vest. Maybe get a light under your cloths vest like I luckily have.

But if you really think deathsquads zombies invations and shit gonna happen, get yourself the bunker from terminator 2. That bitch had a gatling gun. Fuk them zombies. hahahaha

>>410707
>>410706
Sh*t sorry for triple post.

>>407377
>thumbnail has sleeping pad on top of pic
>expanded picture has sleeping pad on bottom
WTFFF

>wear a bulletproof vest
>I have never gone hiking

>>410756
I have never gone hiking wearing a bulletproof vest

>>407435

you Can never have too many socks.

I'm really glad this thread has had such a diverse group of people post in it I really helps determine what is useful and not. I'm also glad that this thread has lasted as long as it has, posted any where else this thread would have been 404'd long ago if not derailed by the need more ammo/guns type of guys.
>>410701
To be honest this bag is not prepared for any one catastrope/event I have the basics covered and as the need arises those needs will be fullfilled. as this bag mainly stays in my truck it is mostly for use if my truck has broken down some where(I have a toolkit in truck, just in case, also along with other items) so if I need to stay, I can. The main reason I put this bag together is I still want to do an extended stay hunting/fishing/camping trip.
>>410787
If that need arises (even though I frequent /diy/ the most, I originally found 4chan through /k/ (and for some reason /po/)) I dont think that will be a problem. I (and my family) are all hunters. my father is retired national guard, then he worked as an MP for while, he's one of the best shots I have seen with a pistol, and I rival him in accuracy with rifles(I hunt rabbits and can shoot them at 200yds through the head cleanly) also even though Im not preparing for it I do have bulletproof vest that stops .22 to a .45 at 10yds and an additional insert plate that should stop a 30-06 at 100yds but what I say is if a SHTF moment were to happen a real killer is not going to be aiming at center mass he will be shooting at your head and neck, if not just using a knife to your jugular.(great I think I just derailed my thread)

>>410787
Didn't you used to namefag on /k/?

>>411439
No I'm actually new to 4ch.

To OP: Also ever think about a slingshot? You can probly get small game with it and defend yourself if need be.

>>411439
only use my name on threads where I am OP so it doesnt get confusing who your talking to, and it helps in tracking long posts

>>411786
never had much luck with slings/slingshots

>>410706
>>410707
my opinion is Op's bag is pretty nice. My main concern with BOB use isn't to survive for long periods of time, but to get home to my family and neighbors. As far as taking by force >>410701
that shit is everything wrong with society, whether be in shtf or even today, right now.
As far as SHTF in general, bags will be used for scavanging, hunting periods. if you hamoe, use it.

>>411789
have a home* heh.

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