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I think prepping is pretty cool. Especially when its used to prepare for things like hurricanes.

>>380437
I feel reality TV is all a bunch of fucking horseshit meant to drum up drama and views.

Beyond that, "preppers", are quite fine, like everyone else. Some are fucking nuts and some are perfectly sane and everything in between.

For instance, where I live you have to be a prepper because it can get -15F every winter, as low as -40F rarely all while you are without power for 2-3 weeks because of massive snow storms. So, you better have multiple ways to have heat, electricity, water, and food. Other places around the world, like tornado alley or in hurricane/earthquake zones you also need to be prepared for seasonal disasters.

What is there to feel? Do they make you nervous?

>>380444
Does anyone have a decent folder of images like this? Katrina, etc. I lived in New Orleans post-Katrina (there was a nice waterline in my apartment when I first moved in) but I don't have many pictures from the actual atrocity.

Shit from Sandy, tornadoes, blizzards, etc. would also be cool.

If you live outside the city in a rural area, most people would see your cupboard/pantry and think that you are a "prepper". In most cases it's simply like this because nobody wants to drive into the city to get groceries every couple days.

As for the stereotypical "End of days/Zombie apocalypse" preppers; they are fucking stupid. It's best to be cordial with these people though, as you may be able to use them to your advantage under a more plausible scenario (like a power outage/storm).

>>380454
Do a google image search for "Hurricane Katrina Flood House" or variations of that. some of it is like, "whoah."

>>380460

I have an hours drive to nearest grocery store/populated center (2000). Also live in a winter wonderland, so preparedness is essential to survival. Anything from meds, food, light bulbs, gas, etc.

We are NOT during /diy/ into /k/

In the olden days, normal people were always prepared for the worst, and they knew how to fix repair and build things themselves.

Now a days, people think they are special because they can do these things so they use words like "prepper" and "maker" and "hackerspace".

So now, because a select group has decided that these skills are "special", most people write them off as fringe/lunatic/nerd/whatever. Now, things that everyone SHOULD are only done by "people who are into that kind of thing".

We should all be preppers, makers, scientists, thinkers, artists, etc. But because had to come up with words to make their own aspie minds feel special, it just goes in the opposite direction.

>>380437
>How do you feel about self sufficiency and thinking more than one day into the future?
Fix'd, thus exposing OP as a faggot.

>>380469
I think /diy/ falls into the category of how to prepare and teaching survival skills while /k/ is more about showing off your inane preparation plans and showing off what you can do with a hunting knife and some twigs. With that said this thread is a little off topic. But that's easily remedied with some info graphics.

>>380471
Agreed. The problem is people specialize too much. They have it in their head that they go to college, learn one specific skill or talent and they can make enough money to solve any problem that comes their way. While having money is useful, having knowledge is even more. My favorite quote from my favorite movie holds true more today than it ever did. "Overspecialize and you breed in weakness."

>>380471
This.

"Preppers" are seen as bat shit crazy because they are preparing for some sort of end of world event. Preparing for emergency situations in which you have to rely on yourself for a while is just good common sense which is not so common anymore.

I ma in favour, not of the show though, she show pokes fun and dis encourages preparation for disasters by showing extremes. For instance, imagine if every one in flood prone areas had a canoe during hurricane sandy, no-one would have died.

> Preparing for emergency situations in which you have to rely on yourself for a while is just good common sense which is not so common anymore.

Many of the who call themselves
>"Preppers" are ... bat shit crazy because they are preparing for some sort of end of world event.

fixed

people who want to be self-sufficient and be prepared for natural disasters are cool. people who prep for race-war and the global un agenda 21 communist take over of the USA and end of the constitution are not cool.

I am preparing a SHTF kit. Not specialized for any particular circumstance, it's rather focused on long term survival in the woods.

Why? Because 8 years of scouting taught me to be prepared.

>>380479
>I think /diy/ falls into the category of how to prepare and teaching survival skills while /k/ is more about showing off your inane preparation plans and showing off what you can do with a hunting knife and some twigs.
I think it's more that people on /diy/ are preparing primarily for natural disasters whereas people on /k/ are preparing primarily for civil emergencies - if martial law is declared, /diy/ will be sitting at home munching on freeze-dried food and /k/ will be innawoods shooting at national guardsmen.

>>380503
except /k/ is all talk and /diy/ is actually realistic

>>380487
> For instance, imagine if every one in flood prone areas had a canoe during hurricane sandy, no-one would have died.

Highly impractical and also highly unlikely.

>>380518
>except /k/ is all talk

>>380518
/k/ puts up a lot more often than it shuts up. I've seen some pretty awful advice tossed around on /diy/ too.

>>380528
/k/ doesn't own an SKS between the lot of them, m7.

>>380481
No, preppers are seen in a bad light SPECIFICALLY because of shit reality TV shows that pick the worst of the bunch and try to get them to look bad.

It is exactly like that micronationalist guy who was posting on /tv/ a few weeks ago. A reality TV show had approached him to do a documentary show about his life style. He turned them down after they said he'd need to do all sorts of crazy stuff on camera that he and his family doesn't actually do. For instance, he owns weapons, but they wanted to film him buying several thousand dollars worth of new weapons and ammo. The same with food and a bunch of other stuff. Like they didn't have any sort of uniforms, but the TV execs wanted to make uniforms for them. The whole Q&A in the several /tv/ threads that followed were pretty eye-opening in regards to how bad reality TV is (not that we don't know that since that fucking Real World show eons ago.) The producer told him that he really respected the people that turned them down and took their self-respect over making money.

I'm quite sure those shows like Preppers and Hoarders do the same thing. All they want is sensationalism.

>>380528
>>380533
ya'll rustled

>>380533
/diy/hard fag here. Seldom see bad advice on the channel... And when I do it's normally already been pointed out.
Everyone on /diy/ talks shit about /k/ being a bunch of lame gamers. That in mind I've seen better EE related posts on /diy/ then I'll probably ever see on /k/

> /diy/ > /k/

>>380543
They so are.

>>380542
>All they want is sensationalism.
At the end of the day, that's what sells, I don't blame them, I blame the people watching absolute garbage on television.

>>380542
A link would give me a stiffy, btw.

> It would shove facts into the face of my family that drools over this bullshit.

http://zombiehunters.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=45540
>Food Storage Porn!

>>380564
>typical american college student pantry

wow, refined carbs and plastic cheese.

It really depends on whether or not they're looking forward to/hoping for a disaster.

If they aren't, then they're perfectly fine.

If they are, they're not not necessarily bad people but they might be crazy and they probably don't have enough to do in their lives.

Both groups are using "prepping" as a bit of escapism and a way to accessorize their lives, but plenty of people do the same thing with less useful and far more pretentious hobbies so I can't really fault them for it. In that regard I don't see it as being any different from collecting antiques or over-modifying a car. At least they aren't keeping a $150k boat to go fishing once a year. or something like that.

While I wouldn't consider myself a "prepper," I do have a bug out bag. It's intended for getting through natural or man-made disasters rather than riding out the end of the world. I really fucking hope that I never have a reason to use it, since I know that even in a "mild" disaster there's a better than good chance that people I know will get hurt or killed, and in a "end of the world" scenario odds are I'm one of the majority of people that is killed offscreen before the movie even starts.

>>380565
There are plenty of examples in that thread of people canning their own food storage and having various bulk staples like rice. But yeah people tend to store stuff that's cheap and what they know they will eat. Hence: Mac n' cheese!

>>380566
I bet you think that Kaczynski was crazy as well.

>>380566

Wanted to add, the hobby stuff I meant in my post is referencing the people that hide caches in spiderholes around their property and buy zombie-slashing weapons because "you don't have to reload a blade."

Keeping a store of dry food and water to get you through a hurricane, a generator to get you through a blizzard, a tornado shelter or anything else along that line is just good sense and it's actually pretty foolish not to prepare for such things.

There's also the stuff like growing your own food or keeping animals for food that city slickers might consider "prepping" even though the majority of people that live in rural areas do both to some degree.

>>380569
>I bet you think that Kaczynski was crazy as well.

For being a luddite and living in the woods by himself? No.

For sending bombs to people through the mail? Probably but not necessarily.

Here's the thing: someone doesn't have to be insane to be a dangerous menace hellbent on killing people.

Good to be prepared I guess, but I have to watch that doomsday show with a shame pillow to bury my face in when it gets too much.

>>380567
How long does canning keep food decent for? I'm think of expanding my garden next spring and I'll mostly likely have stuff left over that I can can(hue) for later us.

And how about some realistic tips for prepping? I feel like I would die if anything major happened and I'm not to keen on that. What should I learn/do/etc to prep?

I just hate it when people throw 60 pounds of walmart camping gear that they've never used into a backpack and call it a "bug out bag"...these are often the same people that don't have any clear idea what they're preparing for.

>>380569
>Kaczynski

That dude was mentally tortured for years by the military as an experiment. No wonder he was off his nut. They literally made a monster.

>>380567
>pic

FAP FAP FAP

>>380614
how do you make a decent bug out bad then?

>>380598
You can easily get 1 year without any flavor changes or discoloration. After that length of time it boils down to your canning methods and storage methods after canning them. They will be edible for years, just not at their best for years.

If you farm vegetables you should also do canning. Research water bath canning and pressure canning and follow all proper recipes and methods to the letter. It is easy to do, but it can be a lot of work if you have a lot of food to process.

I grew and canned over 700lbs of vegetables last year. The year before I bought a whole beef and froze and canned it. I still have a lot of beef left and it is still great. I usually never have vegetables left over from a previous year. I just finished the last jar of beef and vegetable stew that was canned from last year.

I have something like 500-700 canning jars, several water bath canners, and 2 pressure canners; one is a 41 quart pressure canner.

The biggest difficulty is when all of one vegetable needs picked and processed at once. I've pulled some 10-hour shifts canning applesauce and tomatoes before. But, I have big yields.

>>380617
Isn't it obvious? Pack it with essentials that you KNOW and have USED. Not just a bunch of generic cheap shit from walmart that you don't know how to use, how essential the gear is to the pack, and how reliable it is.

>>380625
Well no shit, I was wondering about thing I might have left out. Obviously you need things like a lighter, knife, hatchet, MREs, water, first aid, flashlights, iodine tables, maybe money, a gun, etc.

at first blush I think they're nut jobs who listen to Alex Jones too much

after some thought I think they're nut jobs who listen to Alex Jones too much

>>380625
Yeah, the best thing to do is take a week-long vacation to anyplace you are allowed to camp. Take all your BOB stuff and leave everything else behind. If you can last 1 week you should survive at least long enough to get help in a real situation. Take a pen and notepad too so you can make notes about what works and doesn't work in your BOB and what you think would be better. That way you can remember exactly what to change.

>>380641
That's actually a really good idea, I might try that over spring break.

>>380637
>Alex Jones

I had to look that guy up.

>radio talk

How do you even know about him? Egh.

I'm a prepper and proud of it! I am nearly 100% self-sufficient (when I want to be).

By, "prepper," I mean. "farmer".

>>380646
How can a modern farmer be even close to 100% self-sufficient?
Do you use a diesel tractor?

>>380649
>tractor

What? I don't monoculture, sorry. That's a very ignorant and wasteful way to farm really. You need to multiculture, companion plant, square foot, raised bed, greenhouse your way through farming to do it really well.

I don't do livesotck, fyi.

I never liked the idea of a bug-out-bag. People that have them think that they are going to live out some juvenile fantasy of living in the woods.

Keeping supplies around is a good idea, but there are very few scenarios where you are going to put on your backpack and live out of it for 3 days.

You are much better off having task based supplies, such as a winter car kit. Most resources should be kept for bugging-in. The number one disaster you should prepare for is a home fire.

>>380656
Monoculture has nothing to do with using a tractor. You can have a wide variety of crops and rotate them, while still using a tractor. It would be hard to have enough yield without one, especially without any livestock.

>>380659
It is difficult to use a tractor in a raised bed in a greenhouse.

You can grow more food per square area of land without a tractor than you can with a tractor.

Tractor farming is for people that have no fucking clue at all.

>>380629
Yes it is obvious many of those things are needed, but who says the generic cheapass chinese made knife or hatchet you got at walmart will holdup to even light use? What's to say that you won't have trouble keeping the MRE's down because you didn't have anything you could stomach prepared? What's to say the iodine tablets or water purification method you've got prepared doesn't leave the water with such an overwhelming chemical taste that you can't bear to drink it?

I don't bag on folks for trying to be prepared (in fact I'm impressed to a degree), but HAVING a BOB isn't even the half of it. The people who truly impress are the ones that have used their BOB frequently, knowing where everything is and that everything in it is essential. It also helps to know how you'd fare with it on your back. Who knows how many times I had to refine my hunting gear, and the first time I probably didn't even use half of what I thought I would.

'preppers' hoarding boxes of hamburger helper are the most hilarious and saddest of all. If all your prepped food isn't canned in a Mason jar properly, you're doing it fucking wrong. People also hoarding grain are stupid as well as the fats go rancid and it goes from edible to food poisoning. Anyone without some sort of garden in place and livestock are just hoping to preserve their little bubble that much longer before they go insane without the Internet and off themselves.

>>380598
>How long does canning keep food decent for?

"Among the canned food items retrieved from the Bertrand in 1968 were brandied peaches, oysters, plum tomatoes, honey, and mixed vegetables. In 1974, chemists at the National Food Processors Association (NFPA) analyzed the products for bacterial contamination and nutrient value. Although the food had lost its fresh smell and appearance, the NFPA chemists detected no microbial growth and determined that the foods were as safe to eat as they had been when canned more than 100 years earlier. The nutrient values varied depending upon the product and nutrient. NFPA chemists Janet Dudek and Edgar Elkins report that significant amounts of vitamins C and A were lost. But protein levels remained high, and all calcium values 'were comparable to today's products.'"

"NFPA chemists also analyzed a 40-year-old can of corn found in the basement of a home in California. Again, the canning process had kept the corn safe from contaminants and from much nutrient loss. In addition, Dudek says, the kernels looked and smelled like recently canned corn."

"According to a recent study cosponsored by the U.S. Department of Agriculture and NFPA, canned foods provide the same nutritional value as fresh grocery produce and their frozen counterparts when prepared for the table. NFPA researchers compared six vegetables in three forms: home-cooked fresh, warmed canned, and prepared frozen. 'Levels of 13 minerals, eight vitamins, and fiber in the foods were similar,' says Dudek. In fact, in some cases the canned product contained high levels of some vitamins that in fresh produce are destroyed by light or exposure to air."

Why do you think I'm Radiofag?

I love trying to be almost completely self-sufficient.

>>380755
I call so much bullshit on that.

I've encountered correctly canned food from the 1970s here on a regular basis. It is always horrifically putrid and makes you gag from the smell along. I've probably seen about 700-800 examples from around 8 homes.

One place was really bad, but you can't blame the canning process on that. It was the storing methods. The lids had rusted away. The best ones were 10 years old or less. The ones that were 5 years old were edible looking. I scored 400+ jars this way for free. I'd dump the contents and clean them up good as new.

FYI, I used to clean out houses/properties that had been bought at tax auctions.

>>380724
It depends. If we are talking about long term food supply, then yes everything should be in buckets or cans with the proper sealing methods. If we are talking about a 3 month supply of food in a pantry that is constantly rotated, then I don't see the problem with hamburger helper. After all people should stock what they eat. Prepping doesn't have to be eating healthy. Everyone should stock cookies and junk! Comfort food is needed during bad times.

>>380724
Even moldy hamburger helper will do more good than harm if you are starving. Whats up with all you fucktards thinking you cant survive on old food if you need to.


Very few 'bad' foods will do you harm if you've cooked them enough. You'd really be in a world of north korean style shit if you had to go a year with out the ability to boil water.

>>380690
Okay, first and foremost I hope you are trolling because right now I am about to go to your fucking house and slice your head off with an angle grinder.
Everything that you have said is false. Stop spoon-feeding this bullshit to a board that knows better. Why do you think that every major agri-business uses combines, tractors, and many other pieces of machinery to cultivate, plant, treat, and harvest crops?
While I do highly respect greenhouses, I do believe that your pride in yours is unfounded and the claims you are making are false.

>>380781
Properly canned and stored food IS good for at least 100 years and probably indefinitely. Vitamins a and C will deplete but the food will still provide the original energy providing proteins carbohydrate and fats.

Even botulism infested cans are safe to eat from if you cook the food first. The botulism toxin is destroyed in short order by moderate heat although the botulism spores are more resilient but unless your are an infant or Immunocompromised the spores will do no harm to you, in fact you encounter them regularly.

>>380814
Not that guy, but actually no, he's right. Tractors allow you to quickly farm larger square footage, however there's decidedly less food PER SQUARE FOOT in farmed land than there is in a properly managed garden.

Any gardener knows this, showing you're not a gardener. This is fine, but it's a skill you should learn.

Tractor based farming relies on acre after acre of the same foodcrop grown in rows. Great if you have several square miles and need nothing but corn.

Want corn, beans, and squash? The same square footage you use to produce a dozen corn plants can produce a dozen corn plants, a dozen squash plants, and a dozen plus bean plants. This improves the quality of all the foods, the beans fix nitrogen into the soil for the other plants as they grow, providing more nutrition to the plants, thus more nutrition to the squash and corn that is produced.

On down the list, ALL plants grow better together than they do apart.

So yeah. Shut the fuck up and learn something.

>>380838
You are just wrong, here. Yes, you can kill off the Botulism spores by cooking the food. No, you bloody well CANNOT cook out the toxins the spores produce.

Following this morons advice will get you sick or dead.

>>380845
You act like they don't make tractors and tillers of all sizes.

>>380849
A small roto-tiller is handy (though permaculture is a more stable, better producing system that does not require one) a tractor is overkill, and generally speaking to damn big, after you've worked the first few loads of manure into the soil.

Rent a 8-9 hp rototiller and work a good layer of manure in once a season for a couple years, if you're dealing with virgin earth, sure.

I think there's been a few posts that need some clarification. The major advantage of standard tractor farming, is that it allows extremely quick yields, as well as much less water used per plant. The other advantage is that you cut out a major portion of a workforce, which maximizes your profit, not to mention you can turn a field over much quicker, with little nutrition being lost in the field.

The advantage of greenhouse growing, is you have a larger season with less stress on crop rotations/seasons. You can yield more variety per sq ft, and you can grow most of a balanced meal on a very small plot for a family. The disadvantages are slower harvest times, extremely expensive to start the crops initially with the greenhouse, minerals and nutrients, increased water usage per sq ft, and the difficulties in mass harvesting for typical farmers, which leads to very small profit margins, which'd take years of paying off the initial investment to pay back.

Please don't knock the agricultural community. They bust ass with a very difficult job to make a large profit out of. They also work in a job that hasn't seen an increase in pay for the product since the early 70's. They stay afloat/competitive by mastering the tools of the trade, and by using proven materials. It's great that you grow your own food, but keep in mind that most of the cityscape does not allow for such an option, and most of the common working class would rather avoid another time sync that they have to invest into.

Anyways, I feel that 'preppers' have good intentions, but spend too much time focusing on the marginal percentages. I'm much more likely to be killed by a bear in the woods (who was attracted in by my garbage bag of food I forgot to sling from a tree) than I am of being killed in a flood. Then again, I don't live anywhere near the ocean, and the worst natural disaster here is not enough snow in the winter, followed by forest fires.

>>380847
Oh my god you just know everything dont you?

>Although the botulinum toxin is destroyed by thorough cooking over the course of a few minutes,[1] the spore itself is not killed by the temperatures reached with normal sea-level-pressure boiling.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botulism#Prevention

>>380621

No no no! Canning meat is incredibly dangerous and not advisable for the average person.

>>380495
all dos buzzwords. bro ur infected by AJ infowarrior virus. try posting to /pol/ and /x/ twice daily to alleviate symptoms. good luck.

To the preppers here:

Think you could survive the disaster shown in The Road? Assume it would last twenty five years or so before improvements to the environment started showing up.

>>380847
Burn in hell.

>The seven serologically distinct toxin types are designated A through G. Additionally, six of the seven toxin types have subtypes with five subtypes of BoNT A having been described. The toxin is a two-chain polypeptide with a 100-kDa heavy chain joined by a disulfide bond to a 50-kDa light chain. This light chain is an enzyme (a protease) that attacks one of the fusion proteins (SNAP-25, syntaxin or synaptobrevin) at a neuromuscular junction, preventing vesicles from anchoring to the membrane to release acetylcholine. By inhibiting acetylcholine release, the toxin interferes with nerve impulses and causes flaccid (sagging) paralysis of muscles in botulism, as opposed to the spastic paralysis seen in tetanus.
>Botulinum toxin is denatured at temperatures greater than 80 °C (176 °F).[28]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botulinum_toxin#Chemical_overview

>Clostridium botulinum is a soil bacterium. The spores can survive in most environments and are very hard to kill. They can survive the temperature of boiling water at sea level, thus many foods are canned with a pressurized boil that achieves an even higher temperature, sufficient to kill the spores.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clostridium_botulinum#Other

>>380871
by "less" you mean "significantly MORE" water used.

>>380879
That situation is not going to happen. You will never have a disaster where all life but humans is destroyed. Won't happen.

>>380877
No?
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOurO2zAOhM

This guy has a lot of good info on canning.

>>380437

prepper == religion. can't argue, just tip-toe away quietly...

>>380884

That really depends on the crop, the region, and the method used.

You can viably dry farm most basic grains, and many things like corn, beans, and tubers.

If you live in some regions without irrigation laws, you'll see tons of wasted water by flooding the crop lands, or using sprinkler wheels. This is a waste of water. In most if not all of the breadbasket states, it's illegal to use above ground watering, due to limited resources and mass agricultural landscapes. They instead use trickle irrigation which is more efficient and still has great yields.

However, no matter the method, you're still most likely hauling more product per gallon of water used than you would in a typical home garden setup.

Again, it comes off like a farmer banged your daughter then ran to the ranch or something. Most of the farmland around me doesn't use water at all, as they get grants for being dry farms, which is better for the soil, and prevents erosion which is kinda a big deal when mountains are involved.

>>380889
Er, no. Prepper== someone aware of the fact that horrible things happen and it's best to be ready.

I'm agnostic. I'm a prepper, because where I live, earthquakes happen. Fire happens. It has nothing to do with the "religious apocalypse" and everything to do with natural disasters, armed invasion, and the like.

>>380884

Because we haven't had disasters in the history of the Earth where over eighty percent of all life was killed. Multiple times. No siree.

All life everywhere wasn't killed off, most likely. Look up Toba sometime.

>>380909
I fail to see your point. Don't try?

I am honestly not in the fucking slightest prepared for any kind of disaster. I think it comes from living in the rocky midland lake districts of England where freezing cold in extreme winters is the worst we have ever had to deal with. Its a comfort zone that breeds dismissiveness to preparedness.
I have been thinking about at least putting some MRE's and a bug out bag together, ever since clearing out my grandads garage after he died recently i found his old ww2 army bag with a wind up radio/torch combo thing, a big expensive looking swiss army knife, some rope and a compass inside, still clearly maintained till recently by some dry foods in it.
Sure it still seems a little 'mental' in a odd way to me, but you never can be ready enough i suppose.

>>380900

Preparing for realistic events in realistic way certainly makes sense. I have nothing against that.
On the other hand, here on /diy/ "preparedness" is pretty much summarized by OP's pic. It is assumed that some very unlikely or even impossible cataclysm occurs without warning and then the best way to act is to run out of your house as fast as you can and go to a camping trip. Optionally, your life turns into a RL video game. This is silly.

plan for the worst, or die like a bitch.

that doesn't mean that "prepping" will save your life, or make you invincible to shit, but you're better off than the next jackass who hasn't done anything.

This thread sure got prepper.

>>380987
>plan for the worst, or die like a bitch

I se you there, mr. kraft dinner hoarder

>>380900
He is saying that most preppers treat their hobby LIKE a religion.

Obviously you are too dense to understand the analogy.

>>381042
>guy responds to sweeping generalization
>suddenly, personal attack

Well, it is /diy/care

I have a 3 day back which includes basic camp gear and cook ware and a change of clothes. I also have 2 other small bags depending km scenario. Ones got ammo the other don't. Get over yourself, if I need to survive an extended period of time, at least I can hunt or take supplies in the odd chance of a hostile situation (unlikely).

>>380849
Raised beds don't need tractors or tillers. You only need a hoe or at most a garden weasel.

>>380871
> as well as much less water used per plant

LOL No you use a tremendous amount more water.

>The disadvantages are slower harvest times

lol Not in the slightest, you get faster, more frequent, and longer harvest times.

>extremely expensive to start the crops initially

A greenhouse can be expensive, but a tractor is far more expensive. A raised bed if pretty damn cheap and a regular garden is more expensive to upkeep than the raised bed.

I don't think you have any experience with farming.

>Please don't knock the agricultural community. They bust ass with a very difficult job to make a large profit out of.

Okay so you don't farm. Farming is REALLY easy actually. Don't be fooled. You can literally work only a couple days a week and feed your entire family without trouble. I grew almost half a ton of food last year, even though the fruit trees got frosted and didn't produce. I barely had to do anything. The hard part was processing the vegetables when it was harvest time. I worked maybe 2 weeks of hours the entire year. The rest of the time was spent on 4chan and the rest of the internet and hanging out with friends being about as lazy as you can be.

If you are farming and it feels like work or you are getting wore out then you need to rethink you methods and learn to relax.

>>380877
>average person

The average person doesn't know shit about shit.

>Canning meat is incredibly dangerous

No, it is not. If you follow the directions and methods of preparation and pressure canning to the letter you will not have a single problem with canned meat.

It is less dangerous than driving a car.

>>380891
>method used.

THAT'S THE WHOLE FUCKING POINT

The rest of your post is really balls out obvious you don't have any farming skills.

>>380889
Except when you live in a natural disaster area.

Ohhh, guess what? The power is out here in my area right now. Yet, I'm posting online. How you ask? Oh, I have a deep cycle car battery with a 1000watt inverter hooked up to my little netbook and DSL router. I have maybe 4 more hours of internet time because the phone lines are being powered by backup batteries and will run out soon enough, unless the power outage starts closer to me than where the lines get their power. Then I'll have about 4 days worth of battery power without any trouble.

Ah, but I have an exercise bike that I've attached a generator to and I run it 30-60 mins a day to charge up my backup batteries. I have several weeks, nay months worth of personally canned food to So, I'm good to go.

Luckily, this is a scheduled power outage and it'll be back on sometime this afternoon.

Now, why do I have all this prepping shit? Because 10-14 days out of every year there's power outages due to massive storms. It'll either be wind damage or snow damage. When it is snow damage you can't drive anywhere for a long long time.

Most Telco cos are required to have backup generator. Dies yours not? Could call the puc about that and get them hopping.

>>381104

>tfw you got design the local rural netnode

8h battery, four weeks of diesel power, sat uplink with qos. Whole network is fiber only.

70 farmers and one IT-nerd on this node.

>>381106
That sounds amazing, I'm jelly. I would love to set up something like that.

>>381085

*Sigh* I don't think this is going to make sense to you, but I'll try anyways.

The tremendous amount of water used, is because you have much more acreage than someone with 1 greenhouse trying to feed just themselves. This however, does not mean you are wasting more water per plant, than you would in a greenhouse setting. Yes, lots of water used. No, not wasting much of it.

Slower harvest times: it takes you longer to harvest 1/20th of an acre than it would take a farmer to harvest 20 acres. You are right though, in a greenhouse setting using lots of chemicals, or in a hydroponic setup,. or in a aeroponic setup, you'll grow your crops faster, albeit at a far greater expense per plant.

Extremely expensive to startup: This is and cannot be refuted regardless of how much you ignore micro vs macro economics. If I was a farmer with 80 acres (small time farmer, maybe just selling hay to the local ranchers) and I wanted to install greenhouses on the whole lot, because I read on 4chan that's it's totally the way to go. I would have to buy 80 acres worth of greenhouses, and 80 acres worth of manure/miracle grow/replacement soil/railroad ties to raise the garden/sprinklers and hose/bins to collect all the produce with/helpers to harvest the goods. Yes, this is me being snarky. I tried to explain it nicely, and you jumped me thinking that somehow farmers only grow for their family. I'd love to see you thresh grains in your raised garden. I'd love to see you grow and collect cotton. I'd love to hear about how you fed america on your 8'x10' plot with your $750 greenhouse.

>>381089

THE POINT

you somehow missed it.

Then again, I'm the one posting serious business in a thread about people escaping the unknown...maybe I'm the one missing the point.

Better safe than sorry.

Better safe than sorry I suppose.

>>381139
I'm a farmer. I file a Schedule F every year.

90% of what you've been spouting ITT is from highly obvious ignorance and big agro advertising, nay big agro propaganda. Reading your posts is like reading posts from someone trying to talk like they are a mechanic yet they fall for the muffler bearing and blinker light fluid jokes.

I'm sorry for this ad hominem post, but god damn, you really need to stop posting and showing how ignorant you are on the subject of farming in general.

>>380564
I love ZS.

See that latest episode of doomsday preppers? The prepper was guided to the house and speaks to ghosts? Healthy.

>>380437
I like the idea of being prepared for bad times, but the ones on tv are mostly bat-shit insane, and their preparedness seems like hilbilly childsplay and narcissism.

I like the swedish bunker guy here on diy, but for now it dosent seem like he have done much of the prepping, just the preparation of his immensely sweet bunker.

>>382445
Ya, I love they can be into prepping without having a stick up there asses like a lot of groups are.

>ITS ALL GOING TO END!!11!!1

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/leading-scientists-condemn-decision-to-continue-controversial-research-into-deadly-h5n1-birdflu-virus-8463863.html

nah, not really, I'm sure they know what they're doing

>>380479
>GitS quote.

Muh negroid fellow.

>>380443
More info on your pic? Source, perhaps? This looks really neat. :)

Captcha: theyback and o_O

>>380467
I lived in a tiny piss-hole in wisconsin like this. The nearest walmart was about 30-45 minute drive. We'd clean out the car of and then go to walmart once a month and stuff it full of groceries and supplies.

It sucked. Now I live in a city and I've got everything at my finger tips. I'd still be screwed if things went to shit, though.

>>380567
Wow, what a pretty pic! Those jars are just neat to look at, none the less, have in emergencies.

>>380567
I'd store beef jerky and smoked/salted meat and fish besides those. Also, ghee and honey. Those never expire.

>>382645
if I were planning for end of the world zombie apocalypse i'd store tons of honey sticks. They're small, easily packed together, easy to carry, NEVER spoil, provide an excellent source of carbs for hiking or on the go. I picture in a post apocalyptic world they would be traded as easily as small change currency.

>>382740
I had also thought of those. I'd definitely have a lot of honey in bulk as backup, but those would be perfect for splitting to trade. It's just not as practical for self use as the bulk containers.

Four big ticket items should the grid go down: antibiotics, honey, salt and alcohol.

Pic of Sandy was requested
Backyard, this deck has 4 steps up

>>382858
Looks like it'd be fun as fuck if you had a boat to get around in, especially a fanboat.

Sandy, Wildwood NJ
Football field, regular 3-4ft fence

>>382766
stocking up on alcohol is retarded, propably the easiest commodity to DIY in any survival situation.

>>382766
Don't forget seeds. Seeds can be sold to people who want to grow their own food and you can also soak them in water until they sprout and eat it as food which is more nutritious than the full grown plant. They will also last for decades if stored properly.

>>382872
The only alcohol that's worth stockpiling is wine. Even in today's economy (non-post apocalyptic) it's a great investment if you have a good wine cellar for storage as wine will always appreciate in value.

>>382872
If you say so. All the things I listed would be the top of the food chain as far as trading is concerned. Of course people that actually knew what they were doing while prepping and focused on the knowledge/production aspect will be better off, but many will be left to trade for it. Sure, alcohol is the most easily produced out of the list, but that doesn't negate its priority.

>>382896
its also the worst choice when it comes to value/volume.
if you wanna exploit addicted people go with tobacco, most people can live without booze, most smokers are seriously fucked without nicotine.

>>382740
>>382766
>trade

I'd shoot you on sight in case of such an event, mate.

>>380444
Preppers are crazy they said.

>>382506
>I'm sure they know what they're doing
Lol.

>>380549

Old /k/ moved to its own board. All the knowledgeable trip users, along with the anons who actually want to talk about things without trolling, moved with it.

Current /k/ is a shithole.

>>382934

I bet he felt like noah when the waters started to rise

>>380471
I absolutely agree

>>380538
My capitalist pig sticker wishes to have a word with you.

captcha: the nerrve

>>383075
Guns should be banned.

>>383089
>inb4 shitstorm

>>383089
I promise to not use my guns to defend your rights.

>>383089
get the fuck out, you fucking faggot.

>>383089

>>380564
stoner,much?

>>382872
What about using vodka in a BOB? It can be used to cure wounds, ignite a fire, and a bartering tool if it ever gets that bad (it won't)

>>383278
I don't even drink, but I keep vodka in my BOB for those reasons. It doesn't have to get "that bad" for it to be useful as a bartering tool in certain situations (persuading people to help you out of your personal SHTF situation).

>>380437
Make sure you do it like:
>>382934
>>380444

not like pic related.

I live in the northwest of England. I'm a prepper in the loosest sense of the word; my home is heated by coal and wood, i always have candles to hand (at least a six-pack), food (tins and meat, etc) and water.

This saved my ass this weekend when there were rolling powercuts lasting 8+ hours and (by british standards) a blizzard. It dropped ~6 inches of snow in 2-ish hours, while the power was out. Loads of people i know where freezing, without heat or power. The local pubs were rammed because they were the only places with power (emergency power = warmth and light) while we sat at home, we had light, heat and were pretty comfortable.

>>383393

lol that is classic "prepper" -- a smart person would simply live in a place tat doesn't need a fucking dike around it.

duh.

>>383278
youre alot better off with everclear in that case. it actually burns on its own, desinfects alot quicker, can be mixed down with water to drink/barter, and generally gives you double the value/volume of vodka since its not already mixed with worthless water.

>>383401
I love the idea of a cozy, wood-heated home. Do you live in a city or the countryside?

>>383434
kinda suburban, kinda not.

There are some issues with it. One of them being "holy fuck we've ran out of wood, there's two feet of snow outside and we can't go anywhere"

that's when you abandon ship to someone who's house has central heating

>>382952
What board, operator chan? did boof and SPN go with them?

>>383457
they moved to sealand-chan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W50prKHi4RM

>live in AZ
lol prep for what?

>>383761
getting a thorn in your big toe

>>383438
>>383438
Standish area?

>>383761
Drought, dummy.

>>383761
Race riots? They can happen outside of LA you know.

>>383424
AFAIK everclear will poison you if enough enters the bloodstream, vodka on the other hand needs no watering down before you can use it in such an instance. Although it is a good point that it's much more efficient.

Living sustainable is good regardless of the motivation.

>>383761
FIRE

Ever see the entire side of a mountain on fire? Ever see a bunch of houses on the side of a mountain? Prepping for any type of natural disaster is a must. Fire is a serious issue in AZ.

also:
>skin cancer
>assholes
>coyote/boar/snakes/poisonous lizards while hiking
>cactus all up in your grill
>out in the desert for any number of reasons and you get stranded with no water- do you have a good knowledge of how to get some? I hope you don't plan on cutting open a saguaro and eating the pulp, you'll die.

>AZ
>lol prep for what
retardation

>>383861
Close, but no cigar. Standish (as in NW-UK) is pretty damn close to me though. wouldn't be more than 7 miles.

Not revealing any more, this is still 4chan

>>385311
AZ sounds fun. Moving there in a few months for a sweet job on the border.

I dont want to admit Im a prepper, but I extreme coupon and have amassed a stockpile of food within the range of 1000$ for less than 50$... We have guns at the ready in our closet, as well as a designed escape plan out if our house, or ways to board it if nescessary. I dont have it all down, but I want to be ready, for a streak of unemployment or if we loose power for days or weeks