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I've actually wondered this as well.

this thread only helps to perpetuate the stereotype that americans are retarded.

>>324520

you need to have your sense of humor looked at.

It may come as a surprise, but not everything in the world is manufactured or built to American specs and measurements.

>>324524
I don't see anyone laughing.

>>324525

That basically WAS the question, how is it manufactured and sold under the metric system?

Metric System is far superior.

Sure you can tell me how many feet are in a mile, but QUICK tell me how many feet are in 3/4 of a mile?

How about a quarter?

750M in 3/4 of a KM
125M in 1/4 of a KM

Whater changes state and freezes at 0 degrees.
Well gosh... we done call that 32.

30 fucking 2? Where is that to start a system?

As far as some things like height and construction, we still use the imperial system just because it's so common.

Not to mention your system doesn't even make sense when it comes to lumber products either.

4x4s dont measure 4"x4"

>>324536

They used to, then mills started being jews. If you ever tear into an old building you find some fucking beautiful lumber.

my plywood comes in 244 cm x 122 cm sheets.

>>324536
>4x4s dont measure 4"x4"
Actually, rough cut, they do. The planer that all dimensional lumber goes through to make sure that it's square takes 1/4" off each side, turning a 4x4 into a 3½x3½

When it comes to construction, alot of Europe will measure in Meters or Millimeters, eg.

50mm*200mm, 1.2m*2.5m, etc.

Besides, Metric makes a hell of a lot more sense.

Canadian here. Imperial units mostly.

Construction stuff like piping, lumber, and drywall is measured in Imperial units.

Wiring is priced per metre and per feet, so it isn't really evident which one is more prevalent.

>>324541

I understand it's the planer that cuts the rough lumber to 3.5 It just still seems a little silly.

>Not using a system based on units of 10
>Rather use confusing fractions of inches and things consisting of 12 portions.
>How many cm in 1.36m? 136.
>How many inches in 17 feet? Uhhhh uhhhh yeah pull out your calculators. Fucking Americans.
>How many cubic inches of water in a gallon? UhHhhh
>How many mL in 3.74L? 3740mL. THAT IS WHY METRIC SYSTEM. Now go fuck your hat. Simplicity and structured form ftw. But seriously, fuck the imperial system, it's just absolute shit.
Pic related its an American trying to justify the Imperial system.

>>324533
Fahrenheit is actually the only measurement that makes sense.

It's much much easier to approximate temperature relative to what the human body feels than to do it using Celsius.

70 × 35 90 × 35 120 × 35 140 × 35 190 × 35 240 × 35 290 × 35 (in mm)

Plus shitloads of others. What makes you think our mills would cut to imperial sizes, then sell them with their metric equivalent size on the label? That's really stupid.

>>324533 how many feet are in 3/4 of a mile?
Seriously, nobody gives a shit about that conversion. You just say "3/4 mile".

Just like in the metric system. Nobody gives two flying fucks how many picometers are in a Megameter. Even though it's units of 10, it's a useless fucking conversion. In real life, quite literally nobody fucking cares.

>>324548


Having a system run between 32-212 makes zero sense, I don't care how you try to justify it.

Normal body temp in Celcius is 37 degrees.

We can relate to that just as easily.

>>324547
>"WE INDEPANDANT NOW, FUCK YOU ENGLAND"
>Cling to imperial system like it's worth dying for

>>324549

Awwwww ignorance. cute.

>>324546
7 1/2 cuft per gallon. Slightly over 8 pounds water per gallon. It ain't that hard.

Silly Europeons, my car gets 40 rods to the hogshead and that's the way I likes it.

>>324555

When doing anything with precision or science.

"slightly over 8" isn't going to cut it.

This is why Standard measurements make more sense for the real world: they are in Base 12, not Base 10.

What's 1/6th of 12? 2. What's 1/4? 3. What's one 1/3rd? 4. What's 1/2? 2.

Now do the same thing with the metric system. You start getting a shit ton of fractions instead of even numbers. Base 12 for quick in-your-head math is actually a hell of a lot easier.

>>324548
Not the guy you're replying to; that's all well and good for weather and the like, but for things where temperature is actually really important (like lab settings and the like) it becomes pretty pointless to base it off human level of feel.

This is why Standard measurements make more sense for the real world: they are in Base 12, not Base 10.

What's 1/6th of 12? 2. What's 1/4? 3. What's one 1/3rd? 4. What's 1/2? 6.

Now do the same thing with the metric system. You start getting a shit ton of fractions instead of even numbers. Base 12 for quick in-your-head math is actually a hell of a lot easier.

>>324561

How many yards in 1/6 of a mile.

Off the top of your head.

>>324549
It's actually quite important to me as an engineer.

>>324560
But even labs don't use the Metric system, they use SI. And yes Virginia, there's a difference, especially in Temperature. K vs °C.

>>324563
Quarter mile is 1720. So about 900.

See, that's not hard, now is it?

>>324566

Except that you use terms like ABOUT.

That shit doesn't cut it in the real world.

>>324530
it's easyer and quicker with metric sistem. When you want, for example, turn in a lathe an spindle, and that spindle comes with a bearing bead. The bearing bead is easyer to measure in the metric sistem, if is 22mm (almost 7/8) but 7/8 is 22.22mm, and 0,22mm is to much diference and the bearing will not fit.
Even the imperial sistems recognize that is to hard to turn in a lathe with fractions. So they convert the inch to decimal, and you hace 0.750 inch, 0.5 inch, etc.

>>324563
Quarter mile is 1320. So about 900.

See, that's not hard, now is it?

>>324566
>about
>America

>>324570

about. roughly. i guess. sorta. maybe. close to.

>>324563

No one actually uses yards in normal application. That's why meters throws most americans for such a loop. It's almost entirely feet, with yards being used for.. uh.. sports fields?

>>324572

Good point.

How many feet in 2/3rds of a mile?

>>324572
We use cubic yards a lot. That's what concrete is measured in.

>>324572 nobody uses yards
Exaclty. I even read the question as feet, not yards.

>>324575

3520~

>>324575
About 3000.

>>324578

3519.95

Closer to 4000 than your "about 3000"

Your system is retarded, come to terms with it.

>>324577

It's not actually important to the vast majority of people, we'd just say 2/3rds of a mile and leave it at that.

If you're doing scientific shit you already know metric and just use it anyway.

>>324583


Saying things like that is why most of the world ridicules your education system.

"we don't know therefore it's not important"
Solid.

>>324583
But why bother having a system that you use purely for rough estimates and then another for more precise work? Standards exist for a reason.

>>324583
The metric sistem allows people to be more accurate. it's not "about" "close to".
It's easyer, everithing is divisible by 10
1km = 1000m
1m = 1000mm
1lt = 1000mL
And so.

So why is it that the US uses Letter/Legal sized paper when the rest of the world uses A4?

Is it purely because it's too expensive to switch over?

>>324588
Like I said before. I understand that it's easy to convert from nanograms to Gigagrams. But really, who fucking cares? You pick an appropriate unit, then measure in that unit. Conversions are basically useless.

3/4 mile is 3/4 mile, and that's how you measure it. 2 pounds is 2 pounds. 1/2 ounce is 1/2 ounce. You don't measure something that's in the range of 1/2 ounce in pounds. You just don't, because it doesn't make sense. The human mind thinks in whole numbers, or large fractions of whole numbers. Not decimals.

>>324591
There you go.
youtube.com/watch?v=0fKBhvDjuy0

>>324591
This is the dumbest post yet in this thread.

>>324595 dumbest post
OK, I'll play. Real world, how many times have you just HAD to know how many decigrams are in a dekagram?

>>324591
Again, in engineering it's very important. Equations are worked in base units. If something measures 20mm and I want to put that in an equation as .02m (metres being the base unit). Because everything is in powers of ten, it is easy to convert to base units in my head. This is the same for much more than just linear measurements, too. You'll often have to convert mega-, giga- etc. back to base units to be workable.

>>324603
isn't that. For example, if you have a cube 10cmX10cmX10cm, how many liters do you have?
or do it backwards, Tell me the other size of the cube if one size is 20cm and the other 10cm.

A 2x4 usually isn't 2x4. The raw dimensions are 2x4 but by the time most diyers get their hands on it it's been planed down.

>>324603
Try to calculate physics without the metric system

>>324603
the bicycle spokes, try to calculate the lenght with inches. hahahah

>>324603
What you're saying in that post is that graduated measurements are essentially useless. If you only ever measure anything in 'an appropriate unit' how do you divide anything into smaller parts or combine anything into a larger unit? And if the human mind is incapable of thinking in decimals, how is it that almost every country in the world besides the US is able to function with the metric system?

>>324612 bicycle spokes
Dude, seriously? 26" tire, buy spokes are 13" and then trim them.

Which brings us to another point. Tire sizes. How do foreigners buy tires? Do you still use those HORRIFIC TRX sizes? P205/50R290 or whatever the fuck it was? Why the fuck don't you just buy a 16" tire and be done with it?

>>324613
Sure we do, if necessary. When we start dividing up parts, we go from feet to inches, then fractions of an inch. But for macro world construction purposes, no further divisions are necessary nor even wanted. Feet, inches, and that's all you need. Measuring a building? 129' 3" by 45' 6". Done.

And we still haven't discussed how foreigners measure their joist spacing. 16" is easily divisible by 48", the width of a sheet of sheathing.

>euros getting trolled this easy

>>324614
The tires in metris are easy. One number is the rim size, and the other one is the diameter of the cross section.
The spokes doesn't come in inche. It comes in mm, Do you try to cut and thread 36 spokes?
i don't thing so.

>>324613
>And if the human mind is incapable of thinking in decimals, how is it that almost every country in the world besides the US is able to function with the metric system?

Add to this that US currency has decimal increments and they seem to handle just fine with it.

>>324620 do you try and cut 36 spokes
Personally, no, but I've seen it on TV where they were rebuilding a wire wheel on an old car. And they trimmed every single spoke to fit, and it was way more than 36 of them. I assumed that bicycle rims were made similarly.

>>324614
For car tyres, you just go by: width, profile and wheel size. Everything else is just load rating and construction and shit like that.

>>324618
You're arguing with yourself now. First you say 3/4 mile is 3/4 mile and shouldnt be measured in any other unit, and now you're saying that breaking it up into smaller units is necessary.

>>324564
And what the hell is SI except a modernized metric system?

>>324618
>And we still haven't discussed how foreigners measure their joist spacing. 16" is easily divisible by 48", the width of a sheet of sheathing.
The sheets come in metric sizes and the joists are spaced accordingly. How is that a difficult concept?

>>324624
No, I'm not. Miles stay in miles. Period. Feet can go to inches, but that's it. That's the only conversion that's ever done.

>>324515
>/pol/ bait thread

>>324626
So, what's the spacing then? How big are your sheets of sheathing? For a board like /diy/, this should be common knowledge directly off of the top of your head.

>>324620 bicycle spokes
>>324622
Actually no. Because there are no standards for rim inner diameter, hub flange diameter, hub flange spacing, rim width, offset/dish, and there are multiple lacing patterns (radial, 2/3/4 cross, asymmetrical, etc), there are several dozen spoke sizes separated by about 0.5-1.0mm. Measuring them in inches would be a gigantic pain in the ass because you'd be working in 64ths.

Because of the huge range of sizes and different types of spoke material/geometry, it is quite common to just have a couple sizes and trim/thread to fit. Pic related.

Anyone arguing that the imperial system is superior to metric is a straight up tardball, and I'm an American.

Though the initial question has been lost here, which is what foreigners call 2x4s and 4x8 sheets. It appears they just call them 2x4s too, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. We should come up with a metric-appropriate name for them.

>>324627
So lets say you need to put down 5 miles of pipe, but your pipe comes measured in feet. How do you know how much pipe to buy? Miles stay in miles remember, you never convert it, as you just said.

>>324636
Pipe sections are measured in feet, not miles. You calculate how many sections of pipe you need.

>>324632
> It appears they just call them 2x4s too, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. We should come up with a metric-appropriate name for them.

In Australia we have 100x50. That's just about the equivalent of a 2x4. I haven't ever heard anyone here refer to it as a 2x4, nor have I seen it sold as such.

You know what they call a quarter pounder in France?

>>324638
So what you're saying that there's never, ever, any situation that arises where you're provided with a required measurement in one unit, and your material is measured in a different unit. That never happens?

>>324639

brofist for answering the goddamned original question.

>>324632
No idea about wood sizing, but just as a wild guess it may work like paper sizes: just use a standard system that doesn't invoke units at all. A2, A3, A4, A5, etc.

>>324632 It appears they just call them 2x4s too, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
Even if they do, it's not actually different from in the US. 2x4s don't actually measure 2x4 inches. It's just a name that people have gotten used to so they know what to expect. You could call them spengbab mcsquarepants and within a couple generations you'd have bozos arguing that referring to them by any other term is stupid.

>>324564
The fuck are you on about? The SI is the metric system. C and K are the same fucking scale just with the zero point moved for a very clear reason. You do realize that it's possible to have more than one unit for a given quantity within the same system, do you not? Does it also confuse you that volume can be measured in liters or cubic meters?

>>324638
So if you have to run pipe from town A to town B and pipe comes in feet, you just magically happen to know the distance between the two towns in feet without having to convert from any other unit?

>>324641
No, that's not what I said at all. Fact is, I clearly stated that you often go from feet to inches, at that last foot of measurement, ie. 23' 4½'.

>>324645 distance between two towns
Not necessary. Pumps don't exist that can flow water those kinds of distances, hence you have to build pumping stations. And yes, those pumping stations are measured in feet from each other.

>>324552
Not saying that imperial is better, because it isn't, but having the Celsius scale based on water is just as arbitrary as anything else. Fahrenheit is a little more precise without going into decimal places, too.

>>324645
You don't understand. You need to use appropriate units for this. Miles simply will not do, and converting is useless.

Obviously, the only sensible thing to do is to send out a team of people to measure the distance in feet.

I'm a merrican and I would prefer the metric system. It wouldn't take long to adapt. Hell, I'd even be in favor of metric time.

I used to do blueprint detailing for steel fabricators and got "WTF?" when I put 9.5/16 on a drawing.
>WTF?
well, show me where 19/32 is on your tape measure
>Uhhh...
Ok, now where is 9.5 16ths?
>Oh, I see, thanks

Metric would simplify everything after the initial confusion.

>>324632
When I worked in a Norwegian hardware store, 2x4s measured 46x96. Slightly different in other countries because of standards, but EU will change that some time. Everyone calls it two by four. This only causes problems when millimeters matter AND you're using 2x4s. Which is almost never.

>>324651
Most tape measures do do 32's on the first foot though.

>>324642
It all just comes down to rounding and ease of use. A 2x4 is sold as such because it's a nice easy number to say and work into calculations and such, not because it needs to be EXACTLY that size for structural integrity. In Australia, they could mill a 5.08x10.16 mm piece of timber to make it exactly to spec with a 2x4, but it doesn't need to be exactly that size to be useable. So we just mill timber in logical increments (increments of 5mm), which leaves us with easy round numbers, like you guys.

>>324653
>5.08x10.16 mm
Derp, meant cm there

>>324654
I was referring more to knowing where it is without having to think about it.

2x4s in the U.S. measure 1 1/2" x 3 1/2". So the real question is: why do Americans call it a 2x4?

>>324660
Read the thread, that's been answered several times already. Rough cut, it IS a 2x4, but then it's planed down to 1 1/2 x 3 1/2 for smoothness.

British master-race reporting we use metric for most things but imperial for every day stuff like i am 6 ft 3 tall i buy beer in pints and my job is 2 and a half miles away

>>324661
By that logic, when you buy a gallon of gasoline you should only be given 2 quarts, because 1 gallon of crude oil only makes about 2 quarts of gasoline.

>still no good Metric foot

>>324671 no metric foot
Yup. When you need a good quick but accurate approximation of how big a room is, quickest thing to do is walk it off. You'll be within 12" +/-, with is great for getting ideas of what's up with the project at hand.

Another handy tool I use is to count tiles on the floor. The vast majority of tiles are 1ft square, so you can get damn accurate measurements by counting those as well.

>>324671
Because we never really need such a measurement. There is such a thing as a decimetre, but it's very uncommonly used, because what's the point?

>>324677
>because what's the point?
Because maybe instinctual everyone on the planet knows exactly what a foot is? It's a foot.

The metric system is obviously better, still the imperial system has it's charm. I wouldn't want it to disappear completely.

>>324679
Which is about 30cm. If you're trying to make the case for guess work, it's pretty pointless. Once you use ANY system long enough you become proficient in eyeballing it.

>>324679
Like, a decimeter?
It's 10 centimeters, and it's almost exactly the size of my palm.

>>324679

>Everyone on the planet instinctively knows how long the imperial foot is. Presumably from birth.

Y'know I could spend a good few paragraphs in awe of the sheer retardedness of this statement. But I'll just say well trolled, sir, and carry on with my day.

>>324533

>125M in 1/4 of a KM
LOLOL MY SIDES
I may be an Amerifat, but at least I get my numbers right. Pretentious faggot

>>324515
>>>/b/

>>324556

I hear you Abraham

Actually, 2x4's aren't even 2" by 4". They're like 1.5" by 3.5".

>>324629
our sheets are 1200mm and joist spacing is 600mm. for cyclone resistants you bring them into 400mm

>>324928

Lol basically 16 and 24 on center. Big surprise.

>>324515

is this a for-real question? there's nothing magical about a 4x8 sheet. it's just convenience and proportions. the english system is based upon dividing by two and doublign. nice and simple.

16" stud spacing isn't magic, it's because "about that far apart" maximizes the strength of the attached sheet, minimizing stud spacing. cost and convenience. 15, 7 would be fine. 16's a round number.

as anons point out, in metric countries, 60cm spacing.

lst, the entire scientific world has been metric for centuries (or at least 150 years). mks baby.

>>324622
the old car have welded spokes, bikes are threaded.

>>324633
The spokes have standar lenghts. And i dare you to build all your wheels that way. Cut and thread every spoke. Do you even watch the video of that tool? i have one, but, why waste time and effort cutting and threading each spoke when you can use a simple formula and calculate the leght that you need?
The "americans" are so stupid, don't even care about economyze anything.

Let's just say there's a reason why chemists, physicists, biologists.. literally every scientist and engineer uses the metric system, while constructionfags use the imperial system.

Since most of you are probably in constructions, I'll spell the answer out for you; the imperial system is easier for your little heads, and it's not like you need precision anyway; other people (mainly engineers and architects) do that for you.

>>324561
>you start getting a shit ton of fractions
no, you get decimals

>>324988
>bravo
Finally someone say it.

>>324993
Fractions aren't too bad to work with either, though.. But I suppose it's hard to get used to base 10 and uniformity when you're already used to base random.

>>324988
>implying machinists don't make ULTRA-FUCKING-PRECISE measurements
>implying scientists and engineers would get any-fucking-thing accomplished without a blue collar machinist actually making the shit for them

>>324996
ok, lets count in fractions: 1, 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, 1/16, 1/32, 1/64. let says that y have a 3/4 rod, and i need it a little bit smaller, go for 1/2. No, a littel bigger, ok, let says 5/16, 11/32? do you see how many steps i have to do?

in metric: 19,05mm (3/4")
a little smalelr, 19mm Done.

>>324997
>implying I was talking about machinists and not people hitting sharp metal into dead trees
>implying machinists aren't just told what to do by scientists and engineers
>implying machinists can't be made largely obsolete by modern computers
>implying machines can't be made in sweatshops in asia, rendering machinists obsolete yet again

>>324997
yes they do. more accurate than do it imperial.

>>324998
Two questions: Do you seriously think that's hard, and what's your point?
If you want to remove "a little bit", you don't remove a fucking third, dingus, that's a third, not a little.
This is exactly what I'm talking about; the imperial system doesn't give a fuck about precision, you're just all about "uh, let's just ... change it some and see what happens huhuhu"

FUNFACT: I'm a Chemist and work at a nuclear power plant. We don't hardly use the metric system for anything at all. Seriously. There are only a few small little items here and there that we use the metric system for, mainly for mixing reagents in our instruments, in the lab, but even then, we use mostly standard measurements, like psi, pounds per gallon, gallons per minute and lbf when we report results to the Control Room.

But out in the plant? From the reactor core to the electric generator, everything, EVERYTHING, is in standard measurements.

If a fucking Nuclear Power Plant doesn't need the metric system, then there's no reason to use it.

And oh by the way, picture related. There was quite literally not one single metric fastener anywhere on the Apollo spacecraft.

What happens inside aircraft/ship/automobile manufacturing and design?

I know that auto manufacturers switched over to metric units in the 1980s, but when I look at dimensions and spec sheets for aircraft, they still use imperial units. What gives?

>>324988
Being in a unique life siuation to have met people from the highest echelons of science and technology, some of the lowest workers on the totem, and just about every type of mechanic, construction worker, and technician. I can safely say that your profession has nothing to do with your intelligence level. There are simply people who like to feel important, and those who are more modest. Some of the smartest people on earth cannot stomach being around those who crave the circle jerking political environment of working in some fields.

>>325004
That's because you're in murrkah and your edumakeshun isn't exactly on par with most of the rest of the world; they have to adapt the workplace fit the workers, just as you have to adapt; this falls under "ergonomics".

>>325008
>famous people are often pretentious assholes

Thank you for your valuable insight, sir.

>>325004
Too bad your country has been going to shit ever since the space race. You shouldn't let the religifags take over like that; they're worse than the feminazis.

>>325015
Actually, it was during the Space Race was when the "religifags" ran the country. We even had mandatory prayer in public schools back then.

>>325004
Yeah, you guys are so far ahead in space technology, that's why you've got to get rides with the russians to get to the ISS.

>>325003
That was my point fucker. The imperial system is hard to adapt to a non common size. It's hard to say a size that is smaller than other without making those steps.
i guess that you don't read my post, i use metric system, moron.

>>325004
Yeah you guys are so far ahead in space technology that you have to get rides with the russians to get to the ISS

>>325019
>that's why you've got to get rides
There's exactly ONE person to blame for that bullshit. ONE.

Its nice to come to boards like /diy/ and not see shitty threads and people getting trolled so easily, pls go sperglords.

>>325023
>you have to get rides with the russians to get to the ISS
There's exactly ONE person to blame for that bullshit. ONE.

Only because I like correctness the Fahrenheit Temperature scale has zero based on the freezing point of salt water. I believe it was because that was as cold as they could artificially create at the time.

>>325022
Hahaha.. I read it as a very confusing rebuttal. Sorry about that.

>>325023
Going to space is a challenge, it is!

>>324543
Not for nothing, but actually, IMO year/month/day makes the most sense.

>>325031
It's "day of month of year" vs "month... which contains this day, also there's a year this year", or some shit. What's the logic?

>>325030
>I believe it was because that was as cold as they could artificially create at the time.
I'm fairly certain that's correct, or close to it. There was an awesome program on Nova called "The Race For Cold" or something like that that explained the Fahrenheit units. It actually made sense why the measurement are the way they are.

>>325029
no problem man. Do you know something else? Mosly all tube and pipes in the word are fabricated in standar metric sizes, but sold in imperial sizes. Because it's easyer for weak minds, like this guy says >>324988

>>325034
And that guy was me.

>>325035
it happens when everybody are anons.

>>325040
Depends on the size of the stone.

ok euro people, how many grams in a stone?

>>325040
Americans tend to weigh several stone, so it's probably hundreds of thousands of grams.

Well, then just don't measure it in cm.

random fact of this slice of pizza


-42 degrees is the same temperature in Centigrade and Fahrenheit

>>325034
>imperial sizes. Because it's easyer for weak minds
Yet you still haven't told me how it is that "weak minds" invented the airplane, split the atom and landed on the moon.

>>325050 -42 degrees is the same temperature in Centigrade and Fahrenheit
nope.tiff
-40 is the same.

>>325047
The Orwells were English, the atom was split by mostly Germans, the moon was tread upon by a Swede, the rocket technology was still German.

Your weak minds import Europeans (and as of late; Indians and Japanese) to do your hard work for you, while you stand in the sidelines and chant "USA" and "#1".

>>325047
the people who accomplished all of these tasks are not the ones holding the transfer back in the country. For everyone that you mention there are a hundred that would butt hurt over it bad enough that it caused them to not change. Within a generation the change would be a non issue but we probably will never allow that.

>>325047
They use mind from other countries that use metric system, Like Einstein, he's german. In germany they use the metric system.

>>325051
yep sorry I was wrong thanks for the correction

>>325058 inventing the airplane
>Einstein
wat

>>325060
>tipical reply from a weak mind
Einstein, Brown, Otto Lilienthal, they made that things.
The first documented airplane, was from Otto lilienthal (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Lilienthal)) (german)

>>325060
splitting the atom I believe

>>325055
No, because it's more important with "MUH JESUS" and "MUH CHEZBERGR"

>>325060
He split the atom and designed the "nukelur baomm", pleb.

>>325055
There is an mechanical engineer, called George French, he is English, and he insist that the factorys have to go metric. He design bicycle parts for bmx.

>>325066
You do realize there's a HUGE fucking difference between an airplane and a glider, don't you? I can make a fucking glider out of an 8½x11" sheet of paper.

>>325073
basically all the wright brothers did is design a light and powerful enough engine to power a plane with being too heavy

>>325073
You cannot make an airplane if you don't make a glider first. FUCKER, i study aerospace engineer. Don't talk if you don't know.

>my sides

>>325076
OK. So what? The were still the first. They designed and built the plane, from engine to prop to airframe. Nobody else could accomplish it.

>>325073
>HURR DURR DURR
Okay, let's build a teleport or the USS Enterprise without any intermediate steps, then, genius.

>>325077
>between 12 and 22 percent illiteracy
Stay classy, godfags.

>>325080
Dude said some random yuropoor invented the airplane. I said he didn't, that Wilbur and Orville Wright did, and I see no evidence to the contrary.

>>325079
the engine was really the only innovation that they came up with, all of their other designs were based off other people's.

>>325083
They're English; your argument still falls flat on its face. Besides, most technological achievements during that era was made by Germans escaping the nazis. Lern 2 history.

>>325085
>nazis
wrong era buddy

>>325084
Yeah, because there were hundreds of aircraft back then; people had them everywhere.. You could barely see the sky back then.
Can't believe they let them get away with it.

>>325086
The same, I just clump the post-columbus and pre-internet era together and call it the bronze age.

>>325090
Lilienthal, Cayley, Le Bris, Penaud, Pilcher, Chanute...

>>325094
Well, look who's googled google to click on google so he could google wikipedia. Also, look how many European surnames.

>>325095
that doesn't make it any less true

>>325096
What are you even arguing for?

>>325097
i'm arguing that all the wright brothers did was make a lightweight engine

>>325099
Which they made fly. Oh, I get it, you're mad because "amurrkens maed fly plin" blew up in your face.. Shame, really. You almost had something there. You should try corn starch or Herseys, next time; I'm pretty sure those are yours, and if they're not, you can have them.

>>325099 i'm arguing that all the wright brothers did was make a lightweight engine
No, they made the first AIRPLANE. Before the Wright Bros, there WERE NO SUCCESSFUL AIRPLANES, ONLY GLIDERS.

How the FUCK is this concept that a glider is NOT a fucking airplane so hard for you to fucking understand?!?!?

Um, wasn't this thread about the metric system?

>>>/b/

>>325101
Because it is. You're just splitting hairs, because you can't come up with something genuinely american.

Corndogs are american too, btw. You're good at food that isn't food.

>>325103
IPv4

>>325104
Well done! DARPA is indeed american!

>>325103
Don't talk shit about corndogs. Those fuckers are delicious.

>>325103
The Microprocessor

>>325103
I tried a Deep Fried Snickers bar at the State Fair a couple weeks ago. It took me 10 minutes to work up the courage to bite the fucking thing, then when I tasted it, I nearly gagged. Worst $4 I ever spent in my life.

>>325110
>mfw deep fried snickers
Seriously, why the fuck would you do that?

>>325110

>>325114
Because it's the State Fair. Fair Food is by far the most horrible shit on the face of the planet, and every year they try to out-do the year before with Instant Coronary Bypass eatables. You're SUPPOSED to do this shit.

And Krispy Kreme hamburgers? That's SO fucking 2010!

>>325118
>mfw
I'm Swedish. The fattiest food I've ever had must have been at McDonalds. I don't eat there anymore.

That burger.. Seriously, what the fuck?

>>325123
And here's the face I forgot to post

>>325118
>implying you've been to the texas state fair and eaten fried butter or fried ice cream

fried oreos are actually pretty good

>>324536
Unfinished 2x4's are actually true to size.

Take note of "unfinished". Most lumber you buy is not true to the size name because it is finished.

Anyways, as an Amerifag; I think using a combination of both systems works best. When you need approximations; the imperial system works very damn well since it was meant to be a system based around practicality. But when true precision is needed (such as science and engineering); metric is best.

>>325123
>That burger.. Seriously, what the fuck?
It boils down to 3 little words: America, Fuck Yeah!

>>325131
Oh, I thought they would be "what the shit"

>>325131
Considering American education, I'd probably class "America" as a big word.

>>325135
What about "One sentence, medium length, medium/hard difficulty", then? I'm taking the use of a comma and trick use of capitalized letters into account.

You people dont realize that in most construction exact measurements dont fuckign matter. unless you're building a skyscraper, most things are cut to fit not to measure. and id sure as hell say something is 34 and 3 eights then whatever the fuck the metric of that is

>>325143
>and id sure as hell say something is 34 and 3 eights then whatever the fuck the metric of that is

Metric people don't do this. They'll just say 40.6 cm if that accuracy is enough (and it is for construction). They don't think in terms of 40cm and 5/8ths and do a mental conversion to 40.625 or similar nonsense.

I can't tell if /b/ is here or if /diy/ has actually become this retarded.

Stop it.

>>324533
Ever try to divide one of your "superior" metric measurements by 3? Or 6?

Good luck with that, LOL.

>>324533

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_%28unit%29

Because it makes sense.Those chains were heavy, and everyone strove to be accurate.

>actually falling for such an obvious trick

as a janitor, a user of elevated privilege, i actually have a special report interface that patches me directly to moot. so he will be here soon to ban your ass. that's right, moot and i are good friends so he regularly bans the fuckheads that i run across on 4chan. he also gave me access to the mysql database on the server so i can see every post you've ever made - and man, you posted a lot of fucking shit. i actually am going to report your ip to the feds, no joke, there is some seriously illegal shit in these log files which are currently up on my screen.

you picked the wrong board to shitpost on mother fucker. this is the end of you.

>>325239

>>324533
250

well even in imperial a 2x4 is not actually 2" by 4"

Amerfag here.
The imperial system annoys me to no end.
I've been using metric for most things I do just because the higher accuracy and ease of use.

The only real reason we (the US) haven't adopted the metric system outside science/manufacturing is because the metric system isn't taught in schools.

If they did start doing that, then maybe this First world country could start measuring shit like one.

A lot of plumbing, construction, tools etc. etc. actually gets measured in Imperial units here in Sweden. So you've got nails and pipes being measured in inches, although there's a cm/mm spec on the package as well.

>>325406
The metric system has been taught in most US schools since the 60s. The reason it hasn't been adopted is because Americans are stupid as fuck and twice as stubborn.

>>325410
By "taught in most US schools since the 60s" you mean "taught in chemistry class to and nowhere else".

>>325412
>implying not everyone takes basic chemistry in the states

>>324548
Dude, Kelvin is the only temperature measurement that makes sense. What's this farenheit and celcius shit, having zero where it's not really zero.

>>324572
For distance measurements, yards are actually quire prevalent. Ask an archer how far he can shoot he'll tell you in yards. Go to a shooting range and chances are they'll have distances marked in 25, 50, 100 yards.
Not to mention in football (American football, that is)

>>325425
Kelvin is perfectly to scale with Celsius, which is simply offset to match the freezing and boiling temperatures of water.

Fahrenheit begins where salt water freezes, while 100 almost matches the temperature of human beings, or some fairly retarded shit like that.

>>324591
Conversions are quite important when you're dealing with varying values. If you measure out two ounces of liquid and dump it into a tank containing 2000 gallons, would you measure the volume of the tank as 256,002 ounces, or measure your cup as 0.015625 gallons?
No, you must convert. And it's a hell of a lot easier when everything's based upon 10.

>>325426
Yes, in the states. If you ask a european or asian performer of the same activity, you get the figure in meters.

>>325428
>Fahrenheit begins where salt water freezes
Wow, I was actually not aware of this.

>>325430
Yes, in the states. I should have specified that.

>>325434
This renders the point moot; of course people are going to give you a figure in a unit they're familiar with.

Europoors can only use one system of measurement, not like Amerabros who can use two! cry more Eurofags!

>>325433
That's because it's not true.

>>325425
Because the vast majority things of human interest take place between 0 and 100 ºC. Sure you could use Kelvin, but dealing with everyday stuff between 273 and 373 K would be unnecessarily messy.

>>324544
Canadian who works at an architecture firm here. We do all our drawings in metric unless the client specifically asks for imperial.

Imperial is still very common here though. You need to be able to work in both and convert in your head. (25.4mm per inch).

>>325439
It's stated somewhere else in the thread. I don't know if it's true.

Care to enlighten us?

>>325413
You must have gone to a severely shitty school. I learned the metric system in elementary school, again in middle school, and was required to use it for every science course in high school, and I went to a mediocre school in buttfuck nowhere. My mom, who grew up in Detroit, was also taught the metric system in middle school. She never even took a chemistry class before she went to college.

>>325444
There is no "freezing point of salt water" because the freezing point depends on the concentration of salt in the water. Perhaps it's the freezing point of sea water of average salinity, though Wikipedia claims average sea water freezes at 20ºF.

>>325447 sea water freezes at 20ºF.
er, 28ºF

>>325445
I think you misread what I said.

I replied to a guy saying americans only learn the metric system in chemistry. In my reply I implied that he probably did take chemistry.

What you're on about is beyond me, but I can tell you that European schools don't give jack shit about the imperial system. It's taught in history class as trivia.

>>325447
>>325448
Yeah, I meant to say sea water, and assumed the average.

>>325413
Maybe not in Texas? (pic related, you can't even legally buy or sell an Erlenmeyer Flask there)

>>325453
Wow, you need to get your shit together.

>>325454
Me or Texas?

>>325454
Texas, of course. I know literally nothing about you.

>>325449
What I'm on about is that most American schools teach the metric system long before the students would be ready to take chemistry. It's taught at the same time they're learning the Imperial system.

>>325466
Ah yeah, I assumed that would be the case.

I suppose it's only good practice to learn the most useful system (in regards to compatibility with the rest of the world) as well as your local version, much like languages. I'm Scandinavian, so I'm taught English, since it isn't my native language, but it's damn useful.

>>325410
no the reason is because well.. look at the fucking signs on the highway. they go by miles. think how much effor and money it would cost changing them all. and plus were fucking used to it. so go to hell you imperial scum

>>324625
Standard Index

>>324543
A day withing a month within a year. Simple.

>>325438
0/10

>>325523
Yeah, "day of month of year" makes perfect sense.

>>325522
Actually it's short for "Système international d'unités"

Maybe 'murricans just hate SI because the French got to name it?

>>325490
A lot of other countries did it at some point. This whole thing is kind of depressing, really. Americans are always talking about how their country needs change (you even voted in a president because he promised it) yet you're so unwilling to enact any form of change.

"we want things to be different, but we're already used to the old way and changing would be too much work."

>>325526
I hope you're serious.

All the the systems are great systems. Imperial: great, very useful. Metric: great, very useful. I don't see what the big deal is. Imperial has amazing duodecimal, I can divide by three and two. Additionally, imperial inches provide binary fractions; pretty damn cool for computers. Metric offers that smooth sailing and works with SI, so physics are easy.

I'm a physicist, but also an amateur architect. I use imperial lengths for architecture and metric for physics. Both are great! And because international inches are defined in metres everything can be very precise.

On the notion of temperature, obviously Kelvin or something similar is the way to go. But Both Celsius and Fahrenheit are useful too for everyday measurements.

And on the notion of date, I strongly believe only ISO 8601 is the proper way: yyyy-MM-ddTHH:mm. So precise. So elegant. So unambiguous. But even so, my romantic side will accept other formats.

Come on people, let us embrace each other with love and tolerance. Each format and metric has a purpose, let's use any that we find useful.

>>325536
I am. I don't understand the logic behind the other thing, though.

"Month at day in year" or some shit?

>>325537
>pretty damn cool for computers
Except no one in any form of anything regarding computers use the imperial system.

Celsius is Kelvin with an offset to match water. They are to scale, so 1° increase in Celsius is the exact same as 1° increase in Kelvin.

yy-mm-dd is how the aszns do it, but dd/mm/yy is just as good, in my opinion.

The imperial system was deprecated by most countries, though, because the metric system with its base of 10 for everything is far easier to work with.

>>325004
>don't hardly use the metric system

i can just hear that in my head with a nice murrican accent

there really is no debate here. the entire world and the americans with an education in anything worth while all know metric is better.

the question was how materials were referred too outside murrkah. all our drawings are in mm for a higher level of precision and only specific items that come from murrkah are specified in imperial

>>325547
Sounds like "DUN 'ARLY EVER DUN USED DAT DURR METER SYSSUMAH, AIN'T WE, CLEEDUS?" to me

>>325548
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdC5U1NXzlI

>>325564
>>325565
Lol'd hard when they lifted the town.. "Catch...A..RIIIIIIIIIIIDE"

>>325564
Hahahahahaha

There aren't 4 foot by 8 foot sheets of plywood outside of America; there are 1.2 m by 2.4 m sheets. There are no 7¼ inch sawblades, there are 18 cm blades. A "2x4" (which in many metric-using languages is called as such) is exactly 50 mm by 100 mm.

>>325175
Actually I have. On many occasions. I have had to divide by weird numbers such as 7.03804296784784e-34.

How is this thread still alive?

>>325663
stupid 'murricans
stupid europees

arguing 'bout nothing.

>>325535

You misunderstand because you're apparently not American. Most people want political change, not fundamental principals and elements of the country change. As to units, the layman doesn't need anything other than what he's been brought up with and frankly I prefer Imperial. The only people that really give a shit about Imperial vs. Metric are STEM Majors. Anyone else has been using a system for long enough to not care.

>>325709
I realised that. I didn't actually think Obama's campaign pitch was to instate the metric system. What I was getting at is that you likely won't achieve that political change any time soon, because too many of your countrymen are either complacent or, quite frankly, scared of change.

Obama didn't bring about the political upheaval a lot of people were hoping for because had he tried he would have been crucified for it.

>>324607

Replying to an old post, apologies,

Hey dumbass. I can tell you the area of your supposed 20x10 square, but without the third measurement it does not become a cube.

200 cm² would become 200cm³ if the object is supposedly 10cm high.

Forget high school math, throw me something I don't know.

>>324561
>using fractions for any reason

>>325785
>200 cm² would become 200cm³ if the object is supposedly 10cm high.
>Forget high school math, throw me something I don't know.

>10cm

>>324515

Because it's different elsewhere, because it doesn't happen to be (gasp) IN AMERICA?

FFS, OP, if you don't like metric, don't fucking use it.

>>324561
>fractions
which is why you have to bend over backwards to do some math that you aren't accustomed to.

The whole point of metric is that the entire fucking system is in base 10, doesn't require conversion, and the result is the result. None of this "bakers dozen" bullshit mentality.

>>324561
whats 1/5th of 12?

>>324525
It damn well should be.

Contrary to popular belief, you can know metric AND imperial.

What ready made frame sizes do you use?

Like we have 8x10 11x14 etc..

>>325921
That's not contrary to popular belief at all. Pretty much every single scientist and engineer in the US is proficient in both. Oddly enough, the vast majority of them choose to use metric whenever possible and complain incessantly about the imperial system. I wonder why that might be...

>>326006
Us Canadians have to know both too, even though it's officially metric here.

The single most retarded thread I have seen on /diy/ come on man stop shitting on our country.

What if you tried rephrasing it from there point of view?
How do Americans say something is a kilometer away? Do they say is 0.621371 miles?

Fuck i hate this country sometimes.

>>324591
>>324591
I'm surprised all the retards on this board haven't thought to mention that that is exactly what fucking metric is all about. It does exactly fucking this. Except it jut uses a single unit for each measurable thing, and gives you prefixes to save on 0s. Fucking pieces of shit retards.

Lets change the topic!
inconsistencies, misconceptions, differences between europe and USA

Euro here
-For housing projects, adding a room etc, we use bricks where USA would use wood, for most other stuff, we do use wood too
-While we may complain that wood houses with gypsum sheet walls are cold and rickety, if you lay bricks you do need to make your own cement and other stuff, its kind of a hassle
-We dont have a space under our house. We dont like the possibility that possums can live there
-Cheap and illegal housework is done by east europeans, not mexicans.

> 6 am
> can't sleep
> visit favorite board
> see this
> mfw this shitty troll thread had it's last serious reply 43 hours after it was started

Seriously /diy/?

>>326022
I agree.

Let this thread be a reminder to everyone to give things a little thought and maybe use Google to find out more before posting a thread.

>>324543
If you are going to argue temperature measurement, Kelvin is better than both of those. It starts at absolute zero, which is much more logical.

>>324561
>implying base 12 is easier to read/understand than base 10.

I actually understand how to use different bases, and i still need to write it out.

Oh my god. This shit again. ALL DAY EVERY FUCKING DAY we have to have this argument. I'm American and I'll tell you right now OP does not account for all of us. In my school we learned and used both imperial and metric. Neither one is perfect for all things and that's why we learn both. Conversions and measurements in small quantity are easier with imperial I think because you can measure accurately without tools. An inch is the average length of the first knuckle of the human thumb. A foot is 12 of those thumb knuckles or it's also the average male shoe size. 3 shoes is a yard and a yard is also (drum roll) a metric meter! Huzzah maths! From that point you can accurately make your own tools by measuring parts of your own body i.e. get a stick, lay it flat, start at one end, take a step (the average human stride is also one foot) and where ever your foot lands cut off or break the stick You now have a yard/meter ruler. lay your shoe across it and mark it, you now have a foot. Put your thumb against it and mark it and you now have an inch. You couldnt do that with metric. Metric is much easier in my opinion for measuring long distances and volume though

>>324515
For the most common dimentions we use inches. For example 2x4 inches are very popular. The length however is measured in meters.
I can also tell you with great joy, that we are slowly moving completely away from the imperial system. 2x4 is being replaced by 50x102mm.

>>326176
Kelvin is more logical terms of how temperature works, but celcius remains more practical in everyday life.

I'm Canadian.

Most construction materials are measured in inches/feet.

>OP's face when he realizes that 2x4's aren't actually 2" by 4"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumber

but really OP, in countries outside the US they use dimensions that make sense in metric units and in Celsius. For example, no european recipe is going to tell you to set the oven to 400 degrees Fahrenheit (or its exact equivalent in celsius). Their ovens range from 120 to 250 degrees celsius which covers temps from 250 to 500 degrees fahrenheit. They use easy temps that are easy to notate in celsius just like we use temps that are easy to notate in Fahrenheit.

Same with recipes, measurements for ingredients are listed in liters and grams, not cups and ounces.

Similarly, their speed limit signs read in kilometers, of course, and common limits include 20, 40, 50, 60, and 100 km/hr - which roughly correspond to our 15mph, 25mph, 30 mph, 35 mph, 60 mph (even though they are different speeds).

So now you get to wrap your head around the fact that the world can function this way, subjectively and with wiggle room even in something so precise as measurements (as in, the "quantities" you grew up with and know are all different in the rest of the world - like milk, you can't buy a gallon of milk, you buy liters of milk which are smaller, square boxes that are room temp).

After you do that, try to wrap your head around how it would feel to be a european and hear an american say something like "does the rest of the world convert OUR measurements into crazy decimal measurements????" because America/Britain are the only ones preventing a unified global measurement system and the metric system has been around longer (officially 1799) than the imperial (1824)

source: I'm an American who spent a year in France

>>326354
I sir, clap for you.

>>324515

also, most quantities -- in any field of study, really -- are approximate. there is generally no need for extreme precision. (in fact one measure of skill is knowing how much precision you need for a task.)

newfags to a discipline esp. it seems on 4chan think "oh it says 4 inches i need to measure 4.00000000000000000000 inches" when really, plus/minus 1/16" is overkill for framing a wall, and sloppy for doing inlays or edging.

so eurofags frame walls within 5, 10 mms and amerifags frame walls within 1/8", and it's all fine.

knowing this level of shit is simply experience.

>>326354
Liberia still uses the imperial system, as do large parts of Canada.
Most people in my area are fluent in both. Interesting to talk about running 20km of 8" pipe.

>>326373

furlongs per fortnight, it's the only system i need to know.

>>326376
When would you ever travel that slow?

>>326378

which car is faster? the one with MPH or KMH on the speedo?

>>326378

seriously? THE UNITS YOU USE TO MEASURE WITH HAS NO IMPACT ON THE THING BEING MEASURED.

>>326378

>this thread
And this is why we think murricans are stupid.

>>327255

IMPOSSIBLE! METRIC AND ENGLISH IN ONE! CANNOT UNSEE!!!!!

I assume they learn the imperial system?

>reported every single post in the thread about half a day ago
>still here
Welp.

>>326397
depends the one with mph is probably faster in a straight quarter mile, however the one with kmh is probably faster over a road course with curves...

fuck you

>>324515

No, the old terminology stays, despite when we build we build in metric.

We can ask for something in the metric system, but we can also use imperial. We aren't stupid, we are able to use both.

>>324515
It goes like this: "Hey man, can you give me a 121.92 cm x 243.8 cm sheet of plywood, please?"

Also, how would you order a 67.324x132.521x1.324 cm one?

I really, really love this thread.

>>327817
Coming from nz you have to kind of know both....
when ordering a sheet of ply its the thickness in mm and quality you need to worry about.....19mm or 10mm...roughsawn or smooth.

the wierdest thing in NZ is the tyre sizes. the width and sidewall sizes are in metric but the rim size is in inches! go figure. 205mm/55mm x 17inch.... I like both.

>>327603
>328020

lol

>>324515

How is "a five by ten" any harder than "a two by four"? Why would they cut wood to 508mm by 1016mm in places where they use the metric system? They would just cut it to 5 by 10...

In practice, I believe standard beams here are 48mm x 148mm, which is roughly 2" x 6", and nobody gives a nail-up-a-rats-ass that it's a bit long-winded to say.

>>326366

>1/8"
>Close enough

Archimedes would like a word with you.

No, but really, you're right, it's not that big of a deal, it's just annoying that people actually do this, and you end up for instance living in a house in which the frame of the front door was "close enough", and every day you have to put all your weight up against the door to make the lock line up so your can lock your darned front door.

>>326373
Canada is officially Metric. We only have imperial around as a backup because of the fucking idiot Americans.

>>328052
>tire sizes

same in the US. it's been that way sinc the 1980's. width, aspect ratio, rim diameter.

IT DOESNT MATTER.

what's so amazing about this thread is it all takes place on the internet. WINCHES! AND MEASLYMETERS! ALL IN ONE PLACE! HOW CAN THIS BE! MY MIND BOGGLED HURRR DURRR

cracks me up.

oh wait! you pipples in NZ, you're upside down too, right? why don't you fall off? or is the earth flat under there too like it is here in god christian white peeple land?

>>328306

i was on a car mailing list where one of the regulars had a sig that had stuph about the 'metric conspiracy', and 'bring back mercurochrome' and some other bizarro "theories". everything's a fucking "theory" (air quotes). sigh.

>>324515
This may have been answered already but we have DIN EN ISO standards here. These standards work with the metric system.

>>327328
>>327460
I just posted this to show that the top part of my thumb is not really an inch long. This tool was made with metric in mind. The inch mode is just for convention in case you might need your measurement in inches.

they don't ask for a dozen anything, they ask for 10

>>324515

As an Aussie, we use metric officially in construction, but we also use the imperial system unofficially. I can go to any hardware store and ask for 3 feet of 2x4 and i'll get that. same with weights. We are taught how to think in both systems because of the rest of the anglosphere.

Fahrenheit though... makes no sense. Water freezes at 0 and boils at 100, end of story.

We're taught at school to exclusively use the metric system, but after dealing with incredulous expat Americans who've started up a business and outright refuse to learn anything their glorious eagle-fuelled education system hasn't taught them, we concede and learn the imperial system conversions easily and use them when need be.

>>328426
Another Aussie construction bro, we tend to use imperial for imprecise measurements and metric for precise ones. It's always "Grab me a few feet of PVC" or "Shave 3mm off the end of that pipe."

despite OP's thread being intended to troll the educated:

how many chains to a furlong you arbitrary morons??

also, feel jelly that your imperial system is now regulated by metric ISO standards. Inch etc now defined in terms of the meter

>>328934
for example, take a 1" measuring standard from way back in the day (b4 SI) and measure it against something modern- it will not be 25.400 mm. Take a brand new, 2012 1" measuring standard and measure it- it will be 25.400. 1" is now defined as exactly 25.400 mm- obviously arbitrary standards cannot match exactly (no 2 physical quantities are the same), so the inch as you know it, has been changed to fit with the metric system. it's technically not even an inch anymore, but they kept the name to stop a certain group of people becoming significantly buttflustered.

>>325015
you're... trolling right?

Its the socialists and Obama's anti-NASA that has wrecked our continuation of the Space program. Heaven forbid a black american doesn't go into space.

> mfw when libfags have to face.

Oh god, how I hate these threads.
Of course most people like the system they grew up with better. It takes some time to get used to a new system.
The imperial system seems odd to me. But I'm sure I could get used to it. It's like evolution. The more efficient design survives.
Of course you don't NEED the metric system. So why stick with something outdated? It's more convenient than a transition to the metric system.
Furthermore, it seems like Americans are overly patriotic of their units of measure. So it could take a while until the imperial system dies out.

>>329943
Oh and by the way: I hate the fact that an hour has 60 minutes which has 60 seconds. I think we should opt for 100/100.