/diy/ - Do It Yourself

>>2796904
They did the same thing with hard drives.
They bought the business from IBM, improved it to the point they were making 10 TB helium filled drives, then decided to get out of the game and sold it, and it was called HGST for a while.

They no longer have any stake in it as far as I’m aware. You used to be able to buy Hitachi TVs and stereos, too, they left all those businesses.

Not sure what hitachi even does any more. Pretty much dead, I guess.

>>2796907
magic wands

worse than corded

>>2796907
They were actually deep in the red for a long time. They were one of the biggest whitegoods and tool maker in Japan, but now they don't make... anything really. They're stable now, but they mainly just do digital infrastructure and support now. They call it connective technologies or some bullshit marketing words.

>>2796968
More than likely, retreated to heavy industries, where the margins are better, and the govt gibs are better.

The central 'bank' makes fiat from nothing, and one of the primary sources of spending it into circulation, is the public govt corp. They mostly do large contracts, and by the time you get to purchasing a circular saw or tile cutter, that's a subcontractor who makes his own decisions and is the most concerned about margins, because he's at the bottom of the upside-down cash waterfall.

If money (real money) was mined out of the ground, and keep in mind, money is a means of barter when energy is scarce - not an optimal means of living/life, then it would have to flow uphill, with government, particularly the federal level, getting the least.

If it was created out of nothing by the treasury, and no interest was charged, overcreation would still create irresponsible spending.

I mentioned this before, but it's a sad day when our favorite brands go to the trash. Que boomer makita loyalists. We would all buy Milwaukee, or better, if energy was not an issue. This is why they kill off all the tradesmen/home inventors that figure out how to convert the energy of the aether into usable power.

Seems waaaay offtopic, but what we want are premium tools that make working on stuff as much as a breeze as possible. That ceiling is dictated by our lopsided science and living conditions, that pretends energy is a premium, instead of like air and water.

I would love to see and use, awesome tools. Instead I have a collection of 40v ryobi yard tools, and a hodgepodge of 'what i could afford at the time' cordless and corded. My ancient porter cable circular saw is a beast. The Skil Classic ain't too bad.

We live very inefficient lives, due to the usual greedy suspects interfering in our development. You'll see.. give it 2 more weeks

>>2796927
> worse than corded

Hikoki is probably some of the same factories hat made the hitachi products, combined with some of the european (like Czech) resources from metabo.

They made some interesting products like a corded but brushless drill, and a dual-power table saw.

>>2796907
>Not sure what hitachi even does any more. Pretty much dead, I guess.
I wouldn't call $48 billion a year in revenue with 322k employees dead. They don't do much any more that a typical consumer would play with, but they are big in electrical utility equipment and management, mining, financial systems (as in the servers and software that move everything on the backend), etc.

>>2797041
>tfw you learn Huandai and Mitsubishi do a whole lot more than build crappy crossovers that nobody wants to drive
That Hitachi wand business is booming.

>>2797073
Mitsubishi's cars and Kawasaki's motorcycles are basically side projects.

>>2797041
>322k employees
That's total non-consolidated employees. That includes things like contract staff, part timers, and other consultants. Their consolidated (Full time) employees are 29k- Which is a lot, but figure that most medium/large regional companies can easily employ 20-30k people in the USA.

>>2796907
They make an absolute fuckton of medical equipment that isn't as good as other biomedical companies (bbraun, etc)

>>2797041
> financial systems
They had a bipolar only license to make IBM clone mainframes, but shut that down around 5 years ago.
HDS used to sell storage units and servers they somewhat made themselves (back when they made hard drives) but now they’re just re-branded supermicro.
Their electronic fabrication spun off into renesas and elpida.
>>2797073
> magic wand
They were embarrassed about that reputation and got out of that business years ago. It was corded and 65 Watts.
>>2797114
> medical equipment
Maybe, must be big profit margins on that.

I believe they might still be involved in making their pneumatic tools (or at least the same factories) … those were legendary.
Also, electric trains and nuclear reactors but thise things are harder to quantify.
They pulled out of the U.S. stock market like 10 years ago.

>>2797159
>must be big profit margins on that.
tremendous. It's basically a closed environment. the government standards and certs needed for these devices (think immense MRI machines, etc) are so huge that it effectively locks all but the most massive companies out of building them, which in turn means that they can charge a super-premium for actually selling these devices. A major hospital looking to buy a full modern MRI is paying close to 600-700k for the machine alone, sans construction/installation, magnet quench system, Safety controls, piping, control room equipment/construction, etc. They're multi-million dollar machines and most good-sized hospitals will have 3-4 of them.

>>2797164
>>2797159
https://www.gehealthcare.com/-/jssmedia/gehc/us/files/products/magnetic-resonance-imaging/brochure-2022-mri-buyers-guide-jb07046us.pdf?rev=-1
some more information

>>2797083
I learned about Mitsubishi in the 90s when I went over to a friend’s house and he had a Mitsubishi big screen TV and he said his dad worked for Mitsubishi Lasers.

Consumer products are nothing for these companies that are involved in heavy industry. A single mining job or some oil rig is probably like the numbers of thousands or tens of thousands of passenger vehicles sold.

Mitsubishi has been selling tons of their mid size trucks like the Fuso for decades too.

>>2796904
its really easy.
whenever you need to buy a tool, look at the related video on the projectfarm channel on youtube and get the best one.

>>2799149
>the projectfarm channel
CHIRP CHIRP CHIRP CHIRP CHIRP CHIRP CHIRP THAT fucking gerbil gave me cancer

>>2799171
wtf are you talking about

>>2799173
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>>2799182
i never noticed he was chirping, i really like his videos
what i DISLIKE is when he makes a joke and just drags it out like some boomer who just cannot believe how very hilariously funny his joke is
like when he dropped the powerdrills and cycled those 5 frames and pretended the drill was dancing

>>2799183
>i never noticed he was chirping
His high pitched squeaky voice going 90 miles an hour for 10 minutes when he could just show the damn chart(s) with the disclaimers about how pointless some of his tests are. If he had a website where that was posted I'd consult it all the time. But his videos give me cancer.

>>2799184
some of the tests are very subjective, and some of the tests are pretty useless, but hes one of the most valuable youtube channels for sure

>>2799182
The face of a faggot with aids

No one is talking about the tools? Figures.

They have a really strong proposition in the higher powered 36v tools, many of them are class leaders or close to it (that circular saw, the recip, the grinders, the bandsaw) with great attention to both ergonomics and performance, and with the $100 corded adapter, they can replace corded tools for sustained use too, while allowing mobility when needed. A lot of people might be able to completely replace a 20v system with their 36v tools for big, heavy dugh tools and 12v tools for lighter ones, and wind up better off.

Cons are that they are simply less available (on shelves, on the used market, parts eventually) than the big names, and not much really stands out in the 18v lineup – none of it is bad, except maybe the one handed recip I think is maybe even still brushed, but if you’re minmaxing like we’re assuming in this convo you will want another system. For people requiring really, really heavy end tools, things like the big cutoff saws, you have to look elsewhere, too.

>>2799267
(A) hikoki even make brushless CORDED tools, and
(B) in dewalt-land run by indian MBA interns, hitachi’s 36 V tools become 40 V. So you gotta figure, if they’re lying about basic specs, what else are they lying about. Dewalt is the dumbass manchild’s tool.

>>2799455
Dude, what the fuck are you on about?

>>2799213
why the fuck do you hate him

>>2799497
He looks like a faggot and talks annoying

>>2799497
Because Todd made people realize Wera isn’t really a premium tool brand and Icon is the same as the rest of the Taiwan stuff.

>>2799525
>Because Todd made people realize Wera isn’t really a premium tool brand
wera absolutely is a premium tool brand and when i remember correctly they blew the competition out on every bit-test he did.
the wrenches arent as sturdy as other brands, but regarding tolerances and build quality etc. they are top notch.

its one of those things: yeah, nice that the snap-on key can take 20 times the force i am able to put onto it, but i think ill be fine with the wera who can take 5 times that.

>>2799525
where is chink taiwan brand that uses the most lax made in X country laws to sell you the it's European tool.

VESSEL AND KOKEN 4 LIFE with a sprinkle of bondhus and pbswiss.

>>2799468
> wtf?
I knew I’d have to explain this.
Dewalt lies about their voltages just like those crazy chinese “brand” names.
36 V is a legit and possible voltage. 12 V times three.
> one handed recip is still brushed
I’m saying Hitachi even has brushless tools on some corded models if you are legitimately worried about replacing brushes.

>>2799617
None of that has anything at all to do with what I said? About the voltages, duh of course everyone knows that, are you just mad I said "20v" somewhere in there? And by the same token, "12v" marketed power tools are all 10.8v.

Brushless corded tools are cool, but I didn't say anything about brushes and Hikoki isn't the only company that makes them? What's unique about their 36v system is that it has a COTS pathway to running battery or mains power, nothing to do with the motor directly.

So again, what the fuck are you on about?

>>2799667
Okay I take that back, I did say one thing about brushes... that their *18v battery powered* one handed recip has a brushed motor. It has a reputation of being anemic and the older motor tech contributes to that.

>>2797041
They're also really big in rail as well, tons of Hitachi trains in use in Japan and around the world, including Shinkansens and the Class 800 series that are currently the UK's top express trains.

>>2799455
kek dewalt is for beaners

i actually just bought the saw in OP pic. my comparisons for rear handled saws is the makita 36v which everyone else in my crew uses. it's undoubtedly lighter than the makita while cutting just as fast. also only requires one battery while the makita requires two. the ergonomics pretty much feel the same. only thing i don't like so far is that the sawdust blows out of the port at about 2 o'clock on the guard and it shoots out straight onto you. i think it would be good for keeping the sightline clear but i might cover it with some tape anyway.

>>2797073
People always think I’m stupid when I tell them mitsubishi is an oil company and my grandfather was an engineer for them.

That’s where they got their name , people are literally saying their name not realizing that the lancer evolution cad was like a teeny project

Hyundai makes cnc machines for nuclear weapons and guns, they’re mostly a Korean weapons manufacturer

>>2799868
yes and google,meta,Microsoft,amazon are defense contractors.

>>2799868
My grandfather died in the Holocaust