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2775471 No.2775471 [Reply] [Original]

And who was the absolute mouth breathing moron that says pilot holes are a waste of time? You guys suck at life. Try harder.

61 linkages made out of 3/8" steel. Seven 1/8" pilot holes per piece all drilled with the same 1/8" cobalt drill bit in a Milwaukee cordless drill. No cutting fluid for the 1/8" bit. Never needed sharpened for all 427 holes. It effectively drilled through more than 160" or almost 13.5 feet of steel. Had to change my drill battery once.

Then I went to the drill press and drilled out the six 7/16" holes. Started with a dull bit, And even brought out the Drill Dr. to sharpen it up thinking it would make a nice point. Drill Dr. suck major donkey dick though so I ended up hand sharpening it on the grinder instead. Once I got the drill squared away it drilled through 59 linkages at 6 holes per linkage (I kept two back with 1/8" pilot holes as a pattern for future reference) For a total of 354 holes. Never needed re-sharpened after the initial sharpening.

Then I broke out a 1" Blair rotabroach and punched out the 59 one inch holes.

Pic rel is the finished product. They are linkages for my grain drill that I am fixing up to get rid of the slop in the factory packer wheel depth linkage.

>> No.2775473
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Linkages after cutting to length and shape and with 1/8" pilot holes.

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Resulting 3/4 full trash can full of shavings.

>> No.2775486

>>2775471
>Never needed sharpened

Never needed to be sharpened.
Never needed sharpening.

mouth breathing moron indeed. (someone post the meme about grammar nazis being jerks. kek)

>> No.2775497

>>2775471
who the fuck are you quoting you retarded schizo

>> No.2775502
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>>2775497
There was some retard in the rivet drilling thread a couple weeks ago arguing that pilot holes aren't useful and that you shouldn't set your drill rpm speed properly and then adjust your feed rate accordingly. He's probably off burning up more drill bits again.

>>2775486
Don't care.

>> No.2775507

>>2775471
Good job! You did something a retard couldn't do. That puts you at least one step above a retard! Do you want an award, or for us to circlejerk about how dumb some dude who was struggling to drill holes was? Let us know, boss.

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>>2775507
>Good job! You did something a retard couldn't do. That puts you at least one step above a retard! Do you want an award, or for us to circlejerk about how dumb some dude who was struggling to drill holes was? Let us know, boss.

Thanks anon I really appreciate it! Join me in shaming the pilot drill denier. Proof is in the pudding.

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>>2775471
>thinks he needs a pilot hole for drills under 3"
time to get a real drill press

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>>2775528
1-1/8" without a wimper
t. scratches ass while power quill feed churns

>> No.2775544

>>2775528
I'm just going to send my wife to your place.

>> No.2775652

>>2775471
Well done.

The smart arses will still attack you.

You could shoot balls of green fire from your backside and they would tell you that it's not the correct colour.

Just be careful as they will eventually become physically violent when you keep giving them the truth.

>> No.2775656

>>2775509
Nice dog

>> No.2775658
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>>2775471
You cant drill a 7/16" hole without a pilot hole?
Are you a woman?

Do you expect people to laud you for doubling your work time, and being weak?
Pilot holes are supposed to be for big drills.

>> No.2775659

>>2775502
So you let someone live rent free in your head for weeks, and then proved that guy right?
I mean, by definition you DID waste your time dummy. There is no reason to have drilled a pilot hole for 7/16 holes

This is akin to the sperg-out bepis has anytime wera is brought up.

>> No.2775687

>>2775471
>babbys first hole in steel
so proud, i cry every time

>> No.2775774

Unless you’re custom drilling crp there is no reason to waste this much time with it. You would be better off doing something else that actually makes money you fucking dumbass.

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>>2775659
>>2775658

Build a good bait thread and the retarded samefag will come.

It's not that drilling a 7/16 hole without a pilot is hard or anything, it is just that it is so much faster and easier with a pilot that you would be mentally retarded to not just go ahead and do it that way. Not to mention centering your 7/16 bit in a pilot hole is much easier than picking up a prick mark from a center punch. I used my first linkage as a template and drill jig to transfer over 7 holes and scribe a line around it to cut off to so they are all pretty much identical (as much as needed for the application anyhow) So while I had my template clamped up why the fuck wouldn't I just go ahead and punch seven 1/8" holes through for positive hole locations?

>>2775528
>>2775531

Nice drill press. I have a 3 bigger drill presses that I need to work over someday when I get the time. Two camelback style presses and a medium sized radial arm drill press. 60" arm if I remember right. This was all done with a hand drill in a bench vise outside (because I'm lazy and don't like cleaning up more grinding dust and chips than necessary) and on a Atlas brand drill press that I converted to DC drive.

>>2775774
Hmm. $500 or so in materials including the shipment of DOM bushing material that I basically just need to slice up to length, and a few nights worth of work, vs $40k+ for a new grain drill. Real hard decision. Plus with a new drill I'd still have to modify it to get it how I want it to be, and this system will get rid of the wear prone slide/linkage system on the depth adjuster wheels for a rock solid solution that will probably never wear out...

>>2775656
>Nice dog
Thanks, he's a good boi.

>>2775652
>Most bullshit threads on DIY are people just arguing over tool colors and not doing anything
>Actually make a thread where I did something quickly and efficiently.
>"Noooooooo you can't do that!" basedfag memefags come out of the woodwork.
Like clockwork.

>> No.2775928

>>2775658
>>2775659
t. never had sex or a job and will never own a home telling someone who owns a fucking grain combine and maintains it how to do mechanical tasksp

>> No.2775929

>>2775486
someone who can drill 10,000 holes is smarter than you.

>> No.2775945

why the fuck did you drill the pilot hole with a cordless drill while owning a drill press

>> No.2775964

>>2775945
this was my question too

>> No.2776035

>>2775471
Yeah...

Just fucking send it.

It will go through if your twist drill is not made of gallium.

>> No.2776044

fucking pussy didnt pre drill his pilot holes with a 1/16 drill bit. what a waste of time. why drill 854 holes when you could drill 1281 holes, it would probably be faster and more efficient.

>> No.2776054

>>2775945
Probably because most drill presses are slow even at their highest RPM and a faster drill motor turns the work out quicker.

>> No.2776152

>>2775925
>It's not that drilling a 7/16 hole without a pilot is hard or anything
Its clearly too hard for you OP. Good on you for taking it slow, doubling your work time. All to post pictures on 4chan being eternally mad as some anon for weeks.

lel

>> No.2776154

>>2775945
Why the fuck did he drill pilot holes instead of just punching the 7/16" holes with his drill press in the first place?
He's fucking retarded, thats why.

>> No.2776185

>>2776154
>>2775945
>>2776044
>person who actually did something of value and was successful appears on 4chan
>users get totally mindbroken

>> No.2776200

>>2776054
How fast do you think a drill bit is supposed to spin? A high quality, machinist grade, 7/16, cobalt drill in mild steel should only be doing like 800RPM. Even a 1/8 is only like 2500RPM and even cheap shit, drill presses can do more than that.

>> No.2776218

>>2776200
I run 1/8 faster than that all the time but keep a sriracha bottle of water-based coolant when freehanding.

Some old presses and mills are seriously slow, like my WWII era ex-Navy round ram Bridgeport. They're often of modest torque too. That's one reason I scored a dual-head drill press so I can slap on a much faster motor and use that for small hole drilling. My bro does a lot of very small hole drilling and snagged a little specialty benchtop press that does like 8K RPM max. I want one for safety wire holes but the oddball shit is mainly affordable at lucky liquidation auctions.

>> No.2776246

>>2775471
>a Milwaukee cordless drill
but why tho

>> No.2776247

>>2775471
Steel cannot be drilled, it's literally metal

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>>2776247
what about...

>> No.2776310

>>2776218
are you the op? if you ever want to replace your POS, get something with autofeed
worth its weight in gold

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>>2775945
The operation went like this:

Square up pattern template with cut to length stock.
Vise grip them together.
Scribe tapered/radiused end of pattern onto cut to length stock.
Slap vise gripped pair into bench vise by bottom corner.
Drill 7 1/8" holes in no time flat to solidly and accurately transfer pattern over from pattern to other piece.
Unclamp and do the next one.

Then I cut two long tapers and the very corners off the scribed part of the tapered radius ends with a grinder and cut-off wheel and then cleaned them up to the scribe line on a disk sander.

All that was done outside the shop because it was fast and easy to do so, and the mess it created was easy to clean up with a rolling magnet and blow nozzle on the air hose.

Drilling 1/8" pilot holes is fast and simple with a hand drill, you honestly just full throttle it and it punches right through, EZ-PZ. And yes my drill press is modified for low speed for bigger holes so it does not spin fast enough to properly drill small holes like 1/8", so a hand drill was a much better option. I ended up with about a 1/4 bucket full of grinding dust, grit, shavings, and little metal pieces from that first operation. And none of it was in my shop. I hate grinding dust in the shop.

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>>2776310
I said it earlier in this thread, I do have bigger drill presses I need to work on. Two Camel back style drill presses and a radial arm. I said I thought it was a 60" arm on the radial arm above, but I measured it yesterday and it is a 48" arm. I need to clean them up and get them working someday. Also have a Lagun knee mill with powerfeed as well.

This is the little torque monster I use as a drill press. Variable speed DC motor and worm gearbox with 3 different belt speeds. I need to throw a reversing switch on it someday for tapping as that would be extremely handy.

>> No.2776419

>>2776185
>op is a dick
>users are dicks

thread went according to plan. op wanted a fight about pilot holes, and he got one. unless op wanted to be jerked off for his pilot hole, which this is the wrong place for that.

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>>2776185
>>person who actually did something of value and was successful appears on 4chan
He was successful at getting trolled so hard, he seethed for weeks and then made a whole thread to reconcile it.

>> No.2777103

>>2775486
"needs/needed [verb]ed" is a valid grammatical construct in regional dialects of American English. Not only are you not posting on topic, but you even fucked up your grammar nitpicking, moron.

>> No.2777243

>>2775652
>You could shoot balls of green fire from your backside and they would tell you that it's not the correct colour.
Actually I'd tell you to see a doctor or scientist or something

>> No.2778451

>>2775658
>t.expert who spends 18 hours a day online, 9 of it jacking

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>>2775502
>you shouldn't set your drill rpm speed properly and then adjust your feed rate accordingly
The thread where someone calculated that it would overfeed at ~8lbs of force? That was actually a pretty useful thread. I learned some shit that day.
>He's probably off burning up more drill bits again.
I literally have all the exact same cobalt drill bits as I did then. The only drill bits I bought were carbide ones for my milling machine. I bought small sizes for drilling holes in composite cores and up to 5.0mm for peck drill cycles in aluminum.
I still don't use pilot holes. I spot drill. If the drill point locates in the mark, then it's job done.
>Pic rel is the finished product.
Nice job. If I ever get sent to the Neolithic ages and have to hunt wooly mammoths, do cave paintings, drill 300 holes by hand etc., I will certainly keep this in mind.
>Pic rel is the finished product.
I 'made' four aluminum brackets for my motorsports project. I have to clean them up and add more lightening holes and shit.

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just punch them bro, much handier
pic half of the plates for this batch

nice job though

>> No.2779950

>>2778642
What design CNC is that?

>> No.2779952

>>2779946
Ironworkers are based. I keep getting outbid since I don't need to use one commercially, but if I've volume to do I'll get that lasered or waterjetted via my machine shop ownerbro.

>> No.2779955

>>2779952
got 2 sheds as a project atm and between all these plates, all the purlins and cleats and all the internal stiffeners it's been like 3 days standing in front of one solid. dream of a plasma table but at the same time handling section is low waste and easy vs takin gup so much room. just want a wee promecam rg50 or something like that beside it and that would be the dream

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>>2779955
i have a 5x5 burn table with a 80a hypertherm and it's handy, but the holes it cuts suck compared to drilled or punched. being able scratch a line, whack a center punch, then punch a 3/4 hole in 1/2 plate is way easier than programming the table and getting zeroed on the right spot etc.
the picel is a run of 20 plates for some gate hinges. probably took 2 hrs to setup and run including the locating plate, so not quick. that would have been a big tonnage punch and definitely not a stock size, so not an apples to apples comparison
not trying to dissuade you from a burn table. just noting it's not necessarily the fastest thing in the world. if you do get one, go 5x10 or bigger. sucks having to buck up a big sheet to run on a little table

>> No.2779980

>>2779975
why not cut them all from one sheet and do the slots first? not really understanign the point of the locating plate bar trying to use offcuts. work with 12m plasma and 6m laser in work so see the ebenfits/drawbacks of everything. they're slower than manuals being ran by a competent person imo but the ease of non standard shape creation imo is hard to beat

>> No.2779985

>>2779980
i'm just a one man, self enjoyed shitshow. no overhead for stocking plate. plus, like i said, it's more assache than it's worth with the jr sized table
>ease of non standard shape creation imo is hard to beat
it's absolutely a game changer. changed how i went about approaching most fab jobs and great for repair work too

>> No.2780200

>>2775471
>Never needed sharpened
can you please stop with the monkeyspeak?

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>>2780200
>can you please stop with the monkeyspeak?

Only if you stop with the aspergtism.

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>>2779950
printNC 3.0

>> No.2782936

>>2779946
Wish I had an ironworker. Someday...

>> No.2783202

Who brags about drilling holes?
A lifeless fat grease monkey thats who

>> No.2783477

>>2783202
>Who brags about drilling holes?
>A lifeless fat grease monkey thats who

Drilled all your mom's holes last week...

>> No.2783482

>>2783477
She been dead for 6 years…grease monkey

>> No.2783508

>>2783482
>She been dead for 6 years…grease monkey

The first hole I had to drill was down to her casket to unearth her grave.

>> No.2783655

>>2783508
She was cremated greasy