/diy/ - Do It Yourself

>>2588038
The catch is the invisible blue light they produce reduces melatonin production resulting in poor sleep, chronic insomnia, and eventually dementia and early death.

>>2588038
The catch is they are made by Chinese slave labor but everything else is so no worries

>>2588038
The catch is that many are vulnerable to overheating, and that traditional fixtures designed for incandescent or CFL lighting are often shitty for temperature management, resulting in vastly inferior lifespan compared to the quoted figures on the bulb.
That being said, purpose-built LED fixtures will usually avoid these problems and deliver excellent performance and lifespan.

>>2588051
This is almost as good as
>you cant grow plants with ab LED becaue plants need real light to grow

The catch is it took several more decades to perfect. This is like asking "what's the catch with using a car instead of a horse drawn carriage?"

>>2588051
>invisible
>blue light
so which one is it? blue light is visible.

>>2588061
>The catch is that many are vulnerable to overheating, and that traditional fixtures designed for incandescent or CFL lighting are often shitty for temperature management,
are you retarded? an incandescent bulb is like 500F on the outside, and the fixtures manage to dissipate that heat that just fine. why the hell would they suddenly not work on a bulb that only gets up to 160F?

>>2588038
i changed my old lamps in the whole house and since then i have not changed a single lamp

>>2588076
I wish I knew, mate, but my apartment was full of dumbass enclosed-glass fixtures that would burn out LEDs every few months until I got fed up and stuffed all the glass fixtures in a cupboard shelf I won't open again until I move out.
Cheaper LEDs have really, really fucking shit vulnerability to overheating. Like they were designed to be bare bulbs hanging from a wire in the ceiling.

>>2588076
Because a traditional incandescent is just a dumb resistive element whist LEDs require circuitry to regulate the voltage that the chips can accept.
It's always the circuit components that fail first, usually the caps.

>>2588051
>invisible
>blue

>>2588076
One is a really hot wire, the other is far more complicated.

>>2588051
Have you considered turning off your lights before bed?

>>2588076
The bulb that gets to 600* can handle being that hot, while the LEDs which gets to 140* begin to burn out at 130*. It's dumb as fuck but cheap Chinese parts are not made for durribity. Just replace any fixtures that seem to get too hot and use not mega shit bulbs.

>>2588038
>are they actually as magical and eco friendly as they would have us believe?
Yes, they're pretty amazing as far as lumens per watt goes. A standard 60 watt incandescent bulb puts out 800 lumens. The LED equivalent (see pic) is the same 800 lumens but uses only 3.5 watts to do it. This is possible because it loses so little energy to heat compared to incandescent bulbs. I replaced all the lights in my house, shop, and office with LED's about 5 years ago and it lowered my power bill by around $80 a month across all 3.

what's the catch?
1. Make sure if you have a light on a dimmer that you use a bulb that's designed for use with a one. If you use a non-dimmable LED bulb on a dimmer it won't last long and/or will act weird (blinking/flickering).
2. Do not buy cheap bulbs. The first batch of LED bulbs I got were from one of those gibberish chinese brands on amazon and they started dying within months of being installed. I replaced them with Phillips bulbs and they've been going for like 4-5 years without a single failure. From what I've used I'd recommend GE and Phillips. Possibly Sylvania and Sunco but I can only go on word of mouth for those. For things like big shop downlights or converting fluorescent tube fixtures to LED I'd recommend Hyperikon.

>>2588131
Forgot the pic. Also, 8.8 watts, not 3.5 watts. Still a huge drop in power usage versus 60 watts though.

>>2588076
an incandescent is just metal wire in a glass housing
an led is circuitry in a plastic housing
tell me which one you think is more sensitive to heat

>>2588038
It's a good product. I use 2700K color.in the house and 3000K in the garage.

>>2588076
Do you even know what's in a led bulb?

>>2588038
Yes. And short lifespan is not an issue. Depending on your electricity cost the LED bulb is earned back after 300-500 hours vs incandescent lamp

>>2588134
1LOL

>>2588038
in theory yes, but Phillips overdrives them and uses crappy components that'll burn out every year

>>2588614
> 1LOL
Thats “ < 1LOL” so *less than* — meaning you won’t be laughing when you have to replace this thing in a few months.

>>2588061
>purpose-built LED fixtures
What I don't like about these is that when they burn out in a couple years then I have to replace the whole fixture instead of just a bulb.

>>2588038
The catch is that boomers don't like anything that they can't remember from their childhood, so they come up with a bunch of excuses to hate them that almost make sense, but you have to bundle all the bullshit together for it to matter.

>>2588651
>when you have to replace this thing in a few months
Phillips makes good LED bulbs. I've got probably at least 25 of them in my house and haven't had to replace them since I put them in 4-5 years ago. Not all things that are made in China are bad, so long as the company enforces good quality control and manufacturing processes.

>>2588835
Phillips was literally the creator of planned obsolescence; ironically, precisely for light bulbs!
If chinks weren't such cancer (hello, AliExpress, you cunts...), i wouldn't be buying from anyone else.

>>2588651
More like an arrow: lol at made in China

>>2588979
Imagine thinking planned obselescense was invented in recent history.

>>2588053
>but everything else is so no worries
It's like pissing in an ocean of piss.

>>2588076

>>2589143
Ans the power consumptiom reflects this...

LEDs strobe at a rate so fast you interpret it as consistent light but it is not. I had some cheap christmas lights this year where I could visibly notice it out of the corner of my eye. As long as you get decent LEDs, it shouldn’t be perceptible but who knows if it fucks with your head.

Is it healthy for the lights in your bedroom to be strobing? Compared to incandescent’s constant glow? iirc, fluorescents also strobed however the gas would hold the electricity for a bit and it wasn't as as severe as an LED if you watch in slow motion.

I say this as someone with a house full of LEDs.

>muh strobing doesnt do anything
OK then buy a shit ton of super cheap LEDs that you can kinda see strobing out of the corner of your eye and put them up all over your house and tell me that you don’t feel like you’re living in a horror movie after a week

>>2588079
Shit I didn't know that. I recently moved and have had to replace 3 LED bulbs in the last couple months and now that you mention it all three were in enclosed glass light fixtures.

>>2589255
Good, that means no heating bills.

>>2588038
The catch is that ones with good quality power supplies and color rendering are expensive

>>2589292
You start off admitting that strobing isn't an issue if you can't notice it and end off pretending like strobing is a big issue if it's noticeable.

At no point in your incoherent rambling of a reply did you come close to an argument explaining how unnoticeable strobing is a problem which is what any reasonable person would understand is being discussed. Tell your handler you need to sit in a corner for a long time for wasting everyone's time.

You absolute fucking retard.

>>2589461
I see the strobing too and I don't like it. It's especially noticeable on videos recorded inside the house.

>>2589461
do you have the reading comprehension of a child? what makes you think I was arguing that it is a problem? I was sharing an observation and speculating that it could have some sort of effect on humans considering the pronounced effect that perceptible strobing has on a normal person.

Go sit in the sun for a while, maybe you've been strobed for too long

>>2588038
No they are not, and you only get power savings during the cooling season, in the winter it's just extra space heaters.
They actually have shorter lifespans than the incans, because they are manufactured to run hot on purpose.
You never get your moneys worth in power savings.

If you are willing to DIY led strips and shit like that, you can run them cold(more LEDs at lower power for same light output) and have them last for ages and save on power, but consoomer bulbs are all shit.

Also they don't change brightness linearly, if you drop them to 1/4 power, you typically get about 1/2 the brightness, so using two LEDs instead of one, you can have same output at half power and orders of magnitude longer life.

>>2589473
so change your exposure time to suit, a lot of cameras also include an indoor mode which detects strobing (as it's also a thing with incandescent and fluorescent) and adjusts the exposure to suit automatically

>>2588835
>Philips makes good LED bulbs
I see that 80 Ra CRI has rotted your brain.

>>2589867
>as it's also a thing with incandescent
false

DC current obviously would not produce any flicker
AC current does provide inconsistent electricity but as the light output is a function of temperature, the filament doesn’t cool nearly enough between cycles to produce a significant change in the output of light

>>2589928
>the filament doesn’t cool nearly enough between cycles to produce a significant change in the output of light
Oh my sweet summer child

>>2589929
>sweet summer child

>>2589948
Come back when you rewire an older house, and realize how much incandescents can flicker

>>2589950
ya they also flicker when you flick the light switch on and off really fast, who wouldve thought

>>2589970
So they do strobe, interesting. You had initial claimed they dont, curious.

>>2588038
Shit spectrum. So basically florescent lube that's easier to drive and lasts a bit longer

>>2589974
Yeah i always forget about people like you that cant wire a light fixture and that like to play with light-switches and flick the lights on and off really fast

>>2589817
>in the winter it's just extra space heaters.
Most bulbs are mounted high in the room, negating any heating value.

>>2588038
when they fail it is often because the components overheat and many are put together to prevent you from repairing them.
they are also over driven.

>>2588051
bullshit.

>>2588076
because the capacitors and other components in side them overheat. I know I have taken apart and fixed some, but they were designed that I had to destroy the outside parts to do it.

incandescent lights have no electronic components idiot.

>>2588078
you will soon.

>>2588751
wrong boomers were the first to adopt them, and then they found out how quickly they burnt out

>>2588835
phillips last maybe 2 years in an enclosed fixture or down turned fixture.

>>2589292
>LEDs strobe
only when very cheaply made.

>>2588038
First you have to know if you are getting a quality LED or not. There are lots of cheap LED bulbs everywhere. If you get a cheap one don't expect it to last more than a year or two and likely randomly burn out from poor quality. I think this is one of the reasons people hate LEDs. Related to this is strobing, as cheaper bulbs flash at such low frequencies some people (like me) see them as strob lights and even if they aren't full on strobbing part of you can notice and it gives you a sick feeling. (this is why I pay more for the top tier Philips bulbs as I don't have problems with them)

Now assuming you buy a nice quality LED bulb you'll find they often have a cooler color with more blue light. Personally I like it as I find it more energizing as it more closely mimics daylight. However many people prefer the warming orange color of incandescent bulbs, they make LED bulbs that have those warm colors but they stopped making high quality warms to help push the color changing bulbs that have warm settings. So you can still get the warms, but it will cost more and likely be bundled with smart features. Seems like more and more want to link with your phone in order to use the features.

There is also the growing problem of bulb type. The traditional bulb (in the US) is a A19 body with a E26 screw base. However a frighting number of light fixtures now have the LED built into it, making it very hard to replace assuming you can find whatever bulb type they used. I had to go out of my way to buy fixtures that took A19 bulbs with E26 base, also made sure they were a full 60W rated. Some of the new LED housing has much lower rating as it doesn't need as much, but could then make a fire hazard if some idiot puts the incorrectly rated bulb in it which I see as possible given how confusing the labels can get.

Energy wise they do use a lot less energy. Typically around 6 times less energy than an incandescent. But how much you have them turned is a larger energy factor

>>2589977
Implying I myself wired the ligut fixtures in the house i grew up in...

>>2588622
>>2589817
>>2589981

So, if you connected all your led to a dimmer and ran them at 80% (arbitrarily), would that compensate the built-in overdrive ?

>>2588131
>Hyperikon
They are dead bro. Covid killed them somehow.
Which is a shame, I liked their products a lot. They hit that sweet spot of performance and quality at a reasonable price.

>>2589981
>phillips last maybe 2 years in an enclosed fixture or down turned fixture.
Almost 5 years now, all in enclosed fixtures, and have not yet had to replace a single one.

>>2590009
Yes, go search big clive’s channel on youtube on how to adjust the current on led bulbs so the’re not running at 120% of their component rating.

Put a MOV in there while you’re at it and it will probably last over 50 years, LEDs don’t really have a finite lifespan when under driven.

I bought an expensive philips marathon bulb once, after 3 weeks, smoke was Billowing out of it. I had to argue with this russian lady for 10 minutes before the exchanged it. The new one didn’t last a week, but just silently died.

>>2589137
>Imagine forgetting industry started with industrial revolution
Imagine being that retarded

>>2588051
The blue light shit is quack science.

>>2588979
> philips and the phoebius cartel
Oh yeah, I remeber that.
The strange thing is light bulbs are the only product philips still makes that I can think of right now.
You’d think they’d be banned from entering that business again! Nope!
They’re not even trying to hide it with a shell company or anything… amazing.

Why would you build a industry that build products that will cost very very little and last half a decade?

The lifespan must be almost the same, we just need to consume less energy because energy is nedeed for other things

>>2590401
Also the price is way higher... You think you are winning, but in fact we are all super dump

>>2588038
the catch is they're flashing imperceptibly fast, but it's picked up by your subconscious and fucks with your sleep. also the blue light ages your skin and causes cancer.

halogen all the way baby, I've already stocked up enough to last me 40 years.

>>2590443
> flashing
Not all, many have a capacitor to smooth it out. The el china ones skimp. As far as i know, fluorescent tend to flash, smoothed out only by the persistence of the phosphor.

> blue light causes cancer
Nonsense, the wavelength isn’t high enough. Also, white LEDs also use phosphor. I’m sure some of the base LED color gets out, but it’s nothing compared to fluorescents. Fun fact, halogens are worse, they need UV filters on them!

>>2588038
most suck for several reasons
>poor color rendition
>poor durability (overheat)
>flicker
>usually not dimmable, dimmable ones not dimmable well, few capable of working on TRIAC (incandescent/halogen dimmers) so replacement is necessary.

SORAA, Yuji LED, and Sunlike (best spectrum by far http://sunlikelamp.com/index.php?route=common/home)) make LEDs that are actually good.

Sunlike is one insane russian guy who makes them and they are customizable and overbuilt to the point where they are all solid capacitor in them)
CRI is totally misleading with LEDs you need to see the spectrum charted and to see if it is even without violet light peaks.

also should mention SORAA makes lights that are totally without blue which are nice and great for reading lamps at night.

>>2590508
also forgot to say Soraa and Yuji are tested to work with incandescent dimmers. Soraa has a compatibility list. That way led conversion isnt a massive pain in the ass with replacing all of that.

>>2590508
What's the next best if I want bulbs that don't involve trying to purchase them from some Russian guy who doesn't speak English 9500 miles away?

>>2590520
SORAA or Yuji which both have us distributors and sell directly.

>>2590492
>Not all, many have a capacitor to smooth it out.
Actually they use two diodes oritented with opposite polarity. So each half of the AC wave powers one of them at any given time, instead of flashing at a 50% duty cycle when the current is only flowing one way. They still dim slightly with the wave but it's virtually imperceptible (exactly the same as an incandescent)

>>2590816
>virtually imperceptible (exactly the same as an incandescent)
"EM radiation" and muh blue light schizos would probably murder me over this assertion. but YMMV

>>2590823
>>2590508
"also should mention SORAA makes lights that are totally without blue which are nice and great for reading lamps at night."

update me on this blue light stuff, i dont get it. i know if i dont have my computer monitor to redlight mode its tiresome. but i dont get why all(?) or most led lights output bluelight? iv'e definitively seen warm light led bulbs in the store... are they lying. is this a conspiracy!!!???111

>>2590930
>why all(?) or most led lights output bluelight?
The popsci consensus right now is that you want bluer light in the morning and afternoon, and warmer light in the evening, which makes your sleep more efficient. So they need to change, not just be fixed as something you like, or you don't get the health benefit effect.

>definitively seen warm light led bulbs in the store
they are more expensive is all. It's very cheap and easy to make an LED that puts out one wavelength. Harder to make one with multiple diodes or emitters in different colors to cover the spectrum. "Warm" light isn't just redder, it's more filled-in as well.

Blue light bullshit is just that.
The intensity of the light matters infinitely more. I read in the dark on my phone at negative 40% brightness all the time and trying out blue light filters was so fucking uncomfortable I questioned how anyone would be comfortable with it until I realized they're comparing their experience to positive brightness levels.

>>2588038
Idk about eco friendly, but it's insane how much light you can get out of these bad boys when properly used, even in handheld devices. There's no way I could get that output from a flashlight with an incandescent bulb.
>>2588061
This

>>2590077
good for you *pats head* mine didn't.

>>2589292
I mean, they do strobe, but not because they're LEDs. They strobe because the driver boards are designed to get them to do that (pulsing it =you can get it to go to a higher voltage without overheating it).
If you're really that concerned about possible effects, then replace the driver with an appropriate step-down, add a heatsink to the LED and enjoy your more expensive but continuous influx of light.

>>2590974
>they do strobe, but not because they're LEDs
you do not know what a diode is.

>>2590930
Blue light tells your brain it is daytime and to wake up. You don't want that when you wind down to sleep. So things like flux and blue light dimming exist for computers, but this bulb (SORAA zeroblue) just doesnt emit blue light at all. So its good for a nightstand lamp or reading lamp.

>>2588614
/pol approves this

>>2590984
LEDs with a continuous power supply do not strobe. Not my fault you have shitty power supplies.

>>2591996
Take it up with the power company. Maybe you can get them to deliver 5v DC at the same $/kWh. Otherwise it's a tremendous waste to regulate,step down,etc over just using two opposing parallel diodes in AC

$35 for a fucking lightbulb is peak bidenomics and too much for me. Is there something a little more realistically priced that's at least much better than the shartmart/home creepo brand LED bulbs?

>>2588038
>are the actually as magical
yes
>eco-friendly
probably

ive had phillips hue lights for about 6 years now. never had to replace a single one, and bought almost all of them second-hand. i even have some older ones that were made of glass, glass shattered on one, 3d printed a lil cover for it and it still works fine.

LED is superior in every way unless you want heat + light for a lizard or snake or something.

Like some schizoid anon said about blue light, yea the daylight 5000-6000k temp bulbs produce the same hue of midday light, which can fool your brain into believing that its still the middle of the day. this is why i recommend smart bulbs. not because gay rgb alexa bullshit, but because you can set profiles for light temperature depending on time of day. so in the morning you get blue light which wakes you up, at night you get warm yellow and orange hues which relaxes you. vibes always on point too shit makes the house feel cozy af.

>>2592045
What?? Even the color-dial 2-way philips ones are like 4/$20 at most.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B8TNK47C

>>2588051

the real redpill is stocking up on as many incandescent and halogen lightbulbs as you can, while you are still allowed.

>>2592094
I already have bunch

>>2588074
You have to put yourself in the shoes of an autistic individual and only compare the cons of one to the pros of the other.
Cars:
>Need to buy gasoline
>have to buy replacement parts
>requires a drivers license
>might have DRM
Horse:
>Need free grass
>No replacement parts
>No license
>No DRM
When you look at it this way, the choice is obvious.

>>2592094
why would i do that? better to stock up on semi autos and assault rifles while you're still allowed. if we even have electricity after the "collapse" we will want to conserve it

>>2592004
Please tell me what two opposing parallel diodes would do on AC? I already know you have no idea what you're talking about

>>2588038
Depends, people who are sensitive to flickering lights could get a lot of headaches from them. I've only seen them in places since I still have cfls and halogens that work just fine. I prefer halogens since they have a nice warm glow. I use cfls still in most sockets since they've been there for about a decade now and no use swapping them out when they still work.

>>2592324
Are you retarded? ESL? Or actually trying to prove you don't understand the diode?

One lights up when current goes one way and the other does the other way, so when optically blended together they are flickering at double the frequency (and duty cycle),which iss upposedly less eyestrain.

>>2592324
A parallel diode bridge rectifies AC and halves flicker, it's why the high quality A19 bulbs have >4 separate filaments inside and cost more.

The human eye can't see past 30fps though, because we're not on /g/. :^)

>>2590984
not him but ac power isn't a square wave, you still need smoothing to prevent flicker

>>2592451
>>2592356
>The human eye can't see past 30fps though
and the flicker is like 120fps if you have a decent enough gpu

>>2588079
>>2589296
>enclosed glass light fixtures
Those cheap-ass chinese LED-bulbs can get so hot they can melt through and wreck the socket
t: had one melt in a shockproof garage lamp fixture, causing a short-circuit in such a weird way that it didn't trip the breaker

>>2588076
Its made to withstand the heat, not dissipate it.

>>2592356
>The human eye can't see past 30fps though
Straight bullshit

>>2592621
I agree, it's really closer to 24fps, that's why all movies and most modern tv shows are made at 24fps

>>2592623
>denying scientific facts

>>2592624
This is real world shit, not some nerd's graph about "trolands". Are those even real? I think someone is 'trolan' you.

>>2592633
>some nerds graph
...where they measured real world shit?

>>2592045
Waveform and Dicuno are worse but less expensive than SORAA and Yuji. they're better than phillips and other complete mass market garbage.

>>2592633
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troland
Congratulations, you troland yourself

>>2592708
The real world isn't graphs. Those are only there for the paper pushers.

>>2592768
Literl retard

>>2592621
>>2592624
>>2592708
>lmao this anon really thinks the human eye can see past frame rate
30fps is all the rods and cones can scan, and for (biological) roasties it's closer to 25 even. You are the one talking out of your ass (or between what your eyes see, lol). Were you raised Amish or something without any exposure to GPUs? OR by aliens with quantum displays kek

>>2592963
>30fps is all the rods and cones can scan, and for (biological) roasties it's closer to 25 even.
Source?

>>2592968
Aliens confirmed

>>2592970
>i made it the fuck up

>>2592708
You provided zero context for the graph. For all we know, the experiment could have been
>flash a measured quantity of light in someone's eye, ask them to push a button if they notice any flashes
Of course the threshold for seeing a sudden, high-contrast flash is different than for perceiving the difference between a strobe and a solid light.

A single flash of bright light will absolutely nuke your low-light vision (literally overloads the rods and they require repair). It's why turning on the lights in the morning is blinding but after just a few seconds you can see perfectly. Your retinas go, "Well, 80% of the rods can't see fucking shit, so I'm going to say it's at least 80% bright out there and then pay extra attention to the 20% that are not blind right now."
In a strobe (same as with solid light), the peak brightness determines how many of your rods get "overloaded" and switch off. You can't see a difference during the trough's of the strobe because those overloaded rods are still going "nope, still too bright, can't see anything."

TLDR: You ever stare at the sun, and then look away? You know how there's an after-image on the part of your eye which was looking at the sun?
The strobe from something like an LED/CFL is the same thing, the after-image of the brightness doesn't go away during the dark part of the strobe.

>>2592986
The context is literally right below the graph...

Also i hope you dont expect me to adress all that shit you just made up.

>>2593003
You won't address it because you know I'm right.

>>2588614
>>2588651
>>2588981
The arrow is The factory code. 1L0L is the date code. November 2020.

>>2593092
Lmao what? You literally said
>for all we know
And made a wild uneducated assumed about what the graph was measuring.

Are you okay?

>>2588038
The don't produce so much heat and don't use as much power
In Texas summers those are the only two reasons i need.

>>2593093
We've got ourselves an insider, here

There is no catch. LEDs work through a much more efficient process than flourescents, which waste most of their energy on producing heat from the filament's resistance.

Holy fuck, Ikea is selling 9.5 Watt, 1521 lumen bulbs.
That's 160 lumen/watt in mass produced, commercial product, noting experimental or DIY stuff.
LED efficiency just keeps going up seemingly without limit.
At this rate 200+ lumen/watt bulbs will be commonplace by 2030.

>>2588038
>as magical
No
>and eco friendly
Almost. They are a order of magnitude more efficient then incandescent.
>what's the catch?
They cost a lot more then incandescent. They don't last nearly as long as they claim, especially if your power grid isn't stable. If you aren't paying attention you'll buy shitty bulbs that cast an unbearable blue glow.

All in all, LED bulbs are a rip off. Consumers paid millions for these new bulbs. Lighting is a small fraction of electricity use. So we saved something like 3% of total electricity consumption. For worse light.

>>2593212
>flourescents
>the filament's resistance.
Um, annon. I ...

>>2588061
>vulnerable to overheating
Don't buy generic chinesium crap.

The one good thing I like about LED bulbs is you can put a 14watt bulb in a "60 watt" light fixture and get way more lumens then previously.

>>2593129
What part of living in an arid desert seems efficient to you? Why are you people so dumb?

>>2588076
incandescents aren't LEDs, that's why lol
the incandescent bulb is literally "make a wire really hot until it glows," the LEDs are... LEDs and actually give off light, not just become hot. The materials can become damaged at a far lower temperature, and when they're hotter they take less voltage so cheap/crappy driving circuitry ends up shoving even more current (and so creating even more heat and more current until it's too much)
>>2588038
catch is really cheap ones can be really crappy, overheat/die easier, and may give off not as great a range of colors. None will be as perfect as the sun (or incandescent if you don't care about blue), but they're still very good (way better than fluorescents) and not noticeably different in nearly all cases. Otherwise, yea they give off a lot of light for a lot less power since they're closer to directly converting electricity to light.

>>2593212
anon.. the filaments are only used during start up, once the lamp is going, the filaments turn off and the electricity goes from one end of the tube to the other

>>2593246
>reading comprehension

>>2593245
>lighting is a small fraction of total energy consumption
debatable
growing up we had all incandescent bulbs, 100W bulbs in large rooms (lounge, dining, kitchen, bathroom), 75W in bedrooms, and 60W in small rooms (toilet, cupboards, also desk lamps), and after sun down you could have maybe up to 10 of them going at once for several hours a day. my parents would tell me off for leaving a room and leaving the light on, and leaving a light on overnight could waste a pretty decent amount of power
nowadays i have solar panels on my roof, so most of my real electricity use is when it's dark... when the lights are on, now with LED lights i'm not so concerned with leaving them on, and they're also brighter because i can use more of them, like my kitchen has four 9W lights, which would be light the equivalent of about 400W in incandescent light, you simply made do with dimmer rooms back in the day, because it would be too expensive otherwise

my experience is that LED's use less power, produce less heat, and last roughly as long as an incandescent (this stuff about them lasting 20 years is bullshit). the fact that their color and temperature is modifiable in real time is pretty nice too

>>2593360
The 20 year thing is true, it just assumes youre using equipment designed to maximalize the life of the LED. So a fixture that dissipates heat, and a switch that doesnt ass blast it the moment you flip it. The biggest killer of LEDs is the lack of dimmer switches.

>>2593375
/diy/ boomers are either buying shitty fucking LEDs or they're just making things up and exaggerating things because they don't like change. (Imagine that, old fart gets upset when things change.) The vast majority of people do not have these problems, but then you go here and half the dudes are saying that they paid $40 for a single bulb and it spontaneously combusted after a few months.

The price is why I think they're just making shit up. They don't actually have any experience with bulbs doing this and are telling people/themselves that the bulbs are overpriced to justify why they shouldn't change them, when in reality they cost about $3 a piece, something they would know if they had ever actually bought an LED light bulb.

Try using a calculator, retards. A single 100W light bulb costs $35 to run for 6 hours a day for a year. Even if you had infinite free incandescent bulbs, the LED bulb pays for itself after one month. Instead you get retards like >>2593245 who can only analyze that consumers paid "millions" for them.

>>2592968
>>2592971
Read about "flicker fusion frequency/threshold"

>>2593463
See >>2592621
In short, the limit isnt 30fps

>>2593466
Seriously still claiming the human eye can somehow see faster than 30fps??? How did you learn to locomote by standing up, instead of dragging yourself on the floor, iqtoid

>>2593003
>>2593466
>>2593493

Also I hope you are the same anon because no two people can be this retarded at once. Their combined visual delusions od grandeur would have caused them to suffer fatal car accidents

>>2593493
>>2593495
I posted supporting evidence for my claim
All youve done is repeat your claim

>>2593510
Dude if you could see that fast you could catch a bullet. Maybe not like real super/hypersonic bullet from a cartridge or something, but definitely a bb or air rifle or whatever. You could be the world's best stuntman or illusionist, you could do things in the space between what other people can perceive.

>>2593561
>if you can see it, that means you can move your body fast enough to catch it
You have to be trolling

>>2593565
Send me a YouTube/twitch/tiktok of you seeing faster than 30fps then. I don't care if it's a bullet

>>2593567

>>2593324
>you simply made do with dimmer rooms back in the day
I will assure you that I didn't.

And by total energy consumption, I mean 'total', not 'residential.' The vast majority of energy is used by business, industrial, commercial. Replacing all our bulbs might have saved 90% of lighting electricity, which translates to 4% total electricity usage. Not 4% of energy usage, 4% of electricity.

>>2593567
>>2593574
surprise lol
money where your mouth (or eyes) is/are

>>2593791
Proof was posted, no counter proof has been posted. Cry about it.

>>2593711
By "you" i'm referring to people in general
and you didn't say energy consumption, you used electricity, you also used "consumers paid" and "we saved", which i took as hints you were talking about consumer cost savings, i.e. household electricity usage

My electricity has only gone up in price by 7 cents in 34 years, beats out inflation handily.
Of course, with inflation, I actually make about the same now as I did at a different job 20 years ago, so that's pretty gay.
I also use way more electricity, probably because "back in the day" when you turned something off, it was off. Parasitic-draw wasn't really a concern, I had a microwave with an actual On/Off switch right up into the early 2000s.
Sure the lights in the house only burn 1/10th of what they used to. Now every corner of the house has something sipping away, just a watt or two here, and there, and fucking everywhere. Everything has to have a light to tell you it's on, and a light to tell you it's off.
My bedframe has a 20W power supply.

I guess what I'm saying is, adjusted for inflation, my power bill is the same as it was in 1988.
I'd say neat, but honestly just fuck it

>>2593793
Lol where
All you posted was hearsay
Show us you doing, controlling something at 30hz in real time

>>2593419
>are saying that they paid $40 for a single bulb and it spontaneously combusted after a few months
halogens do this

>>2593419
>boomers are either buying shitty fucking LEDs or they're just making things up and exaggerating things because they don't like change.
nice fan fiction.

I have marked bulbs with the date they were installed, I started doing this with CFL's and then LEDs. I found that they all lied. no CFL lasted longer than 2 years unless installed in a free standing position the the bulbs up and air flow. Any bulbs enclosed in any type of light fixture (even large in sealing cans) rarely lasted more than 2 years.

The same with LED's in the same light fixtures. The only LED bulb I have that has lasted longer than 5 years (still going) is an early model one with a heat sink around the base, I think it cost something ridiculous and I got it from my mother (whom you would call a boomer).

I have tried name brand and cheap chinesiums. when they die (CFL or LED) I open them up to see why and they all died from the same causes: overheated components, failed electrolytic's, often the electorlytics were rated at 85° c when they should have been rated at 150° c. Also using an infrared imaging device I measured LED bulbs (base) tilted at a downward 45° angle in open globes, under a ceiling fan that was running at over 247° f.

I drilled holes to allow air movement from the inside of the globes upwards but that did little to reduce the heat.

The bulbs are over driven. the more expensive the bulb the harder they are to open and repair.
case in point Philips 800lumens 8.5w 2700k 125ma UL 3PM5 the components are mounted inside a press fit very soft aluminum shell the cannot be opened without destroying it. the bulb in question could be easily repaired if you could get in to it, and they do NOT want to fixing them. inb4 liability. FUCK your liability.

>>2593419
>boomers are either buying shitty fucking LEDs or they're just making things up and exaggerating things because they don't like change.
nice fan fiction.

I have marked bulbs with the date they were installed, I started doing this with CFL's and then LEDs. I found that they all lied. no CFL lasted longer than 2 years unless installed in a free-standing position with the bulbs pointing up and air flowing around them. Any bulbs enclosed in any type of light fixture (even large in sealing cans) rarely lasted more than 2 years.

The same with LED's in the same light fixtures. The only LED bulb I have that has lasted longer than 5 years (still going) is an early model one with a heat sink around the base, I think it cost something ridiculous and I got it from my mother (whom you would call a boomer).

I have tried name brand and cheap chinesiums. when they die (CFL or LED) I open them up to see why and they all died from the same causes: overheated components, failed electrolytic's, often the electrolytic’s were rated at 85° c when they should have been rated at 150° c. Also using an infrared imaging device I measured LED bulbs (base) tilted at a downward 45° angle in open globes, under a ceiling fan that was running at over 247° f.

I drilled holes to allow air movement from the inside of the globes upwards but that did little to reduce the heat.

The bulbs are over driven. the more expensive the bulb the harder they are to open and repair.
case in point Philips 800lumens 8.5w 2700k 125ma UL 3PM5 the components are mounted inside a press fit very soft aluminum shell that cannot be opened without destroying it. the bulb in question could be easily repaired if you could get in to it, and they do NOT want you fixing them. inb4 liability. FUCK your liability.

>>2593419
>boomers are either buying shitty fucking LEDs or they're just making things up and exaggerating things because they don't like change.
nice fan fiction.

I have marked bulbs with the date they were installed, I started doing this with CFL's and then LEDs. I found that they all lied. no CFL lasted longer than 2 years unless installed in a free-standing position with the bulbs pointing up and air flowing around them. Any bulbs enclosed in any type of light fixture (even large in ceiling cans) rarely lasted more than 2 years.

The same with LED's in the same light fixtures. The only LED bulb I have that has lasted longer than 5 years (still going) is an early model one with a heat sink around the base, I think it cost something ridiculous and I got it from my mother (whom you would call a boomer).

I have tried name brand and cheap chinesiums. when they die (CFL or LED) I open them up to see why and they all died from the same causes: overheated components, failed electrolytic's, often the electrolytic’s were rated at 85° c when they should have been rated at 150° c. Also using an infrared imaging device I measured LED bulbs (base) tilted at a downward 45° angle in open globes, under a ceiling fan that was running at over 247° f.

I drilled holes to allow air movement from the inside of the globes upwards but that did little to reduce the heat.

The bulbs are over driven. the more expensive the bulb the harder they are to open and repair.
case in point Philips 800lumens 8.5w 2700k 125ma UL 3PM5 the components are mounted inside a press fit very soft aluminum shell that cannot be opened without destroying it. the bulb in question could be easily repaired if you could get in to it, and they do NOT want you fixing them. inb4 liability. FUCK your liability.

>>2594323
Walmart "Great Value" LED bulbs are awesome, <$4USD/ea for the "100W equivalent" bulbs.
Their 15W 1600L bulbs have 16 LEDs being overdriven horrifically, just like 90% of the LED bulbs on the market, nearly 1W per chip.
They pull ~15.3W and do put out a real 1599+ lumens. ~104 L/W puts them on par with most other LED bulbs. (Incandescents manage 16 L/W)
The globe pops off very easily, I usually don't need the spudger.
It's the stupid simple one-chip driver you find in most inexpensive LED bulbs now that aren't the fake-filament shit.
Pop off the smaller of the two sense resistors, it now pulls 7.5W, but still puts out over 1100L, that's over 145 L/W.
Now it's more efficient by a huge margin, and the LEDs are receiving roughly half the current, so they stay significantly cooler and will last much, much longer.
It's not quite a Phillips Ultra-Efficient or Dubai Lamp, those eek out in excess of 200 L/W.

>>2594323
>the more expensive the bulb the harder they are to open and repair.
It's a lightbulb. Maybe your time doesn't have value but for most people the cost to repair vs replace makes it a no-brainer.

Inb4 tHIS iS dIY. You can do better things with your time.

>>2594327
If it's repairable and I can repair it, I should be able. my time is mine to spend as I please.

>>2594346
You can buy more light bulbs, but you can't buy more time. You have a finite number of hours on this planet and you are foolish for choosing to spend them in this way.

>>2594205
This is exactly how I figured. The whole bullshit about power efficiency is nothing more than a scam. Appliances have become less reliable, less effective for some marginal "gains" in efficiency, but in reality you just have to work them harder to get the same effect. Cars are marginally more fuel efficient than comparable 80s/90s fuel injected cars, mainly because they weight a shit ton more.
>My bedframe has a 20W power supply.
lol, does the bed vibrate or something?

>>2593954
Fair enough.

To be clear, we (as a society) don't see much benefit for what we (as consumers) paid to change our bulbs. It was at best a feel-good measure so that consumers think something is being done. Instead of what we really needs be done.

At worst, the environmental impact of producing the components in LED bulbs and the mini PSUs they have is actually worse then the electricity saved.

>>2594469
Here's a video comparing an old and new fridge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoTOSMBjRhA

>>2594327
Being able to repair things you own should be a basic right, not something we grovel for.

>>2594470
> the environmental impact of producing the components in LED bulbs and the mini PSUs they have is actually worse then the electricity saved.
I'm positive that CONSOOOMING nu-products for the sake of it will always be more wasteful than keeping some old already existing thing working, no matter how green (like the dollar) and "ECO" it supposedly is.

>>2594474
>will always be more wasteful than keeping some old already existing thing working
90% of the time, I'd agree. But not 100%.

That said there has to be a transition from wasteful product to non-wasteful product. And more importantly - people have to stop thinking that anything over a year old must be thrown out and replaced.

>>2594482
>there has to be a transition from wasteful product to non-wasteful product
Wouldn't you call most anything that runs on a battery as wasteful? If not for the sole fact that it has limited shelf life from the moment its produced?

>>2594485
We're talking about LED bulbs. They aren't battery powered. And the answer to your question is that batteries should be replaceable. And I believe batteries are recyclable. At least there a lot of battery drop of points around here.

>>2594205
>I also use way more electricity, probably because "back in the day" when you turned something off, it was off
That's not true. Old TVs were notorious for constantly sipping power to keep the tubes hot, and every device that had a wall wart style plug (which are basically non existent these days due the low cost of switching power supplies) had a tiny transformer that constantly buzzed power out even if there was nothing plugged into it.

And even if it is the case that everything draws a small amount power now, in what way does that invalidate the efficiency gains of an LED? If you don't like that everything is sipping power then you get rid of the devices that are sipping power, not the LED bulbs. Switching to less efficient bulbs isn't going to make everything in your house stop drawing vampire power because it's not what causes it.

>>2594488
Wouldn't you say that LED bulbs have more waste products because of their complexity than simple incandescent bulbs once its useful life is exhausted?
As for batteries even if they are replaceable, its one more waste product and as far as I know lithium batteries aren't recycled even if they are recyclable in theory.

>you get rid of the devices that are sipping power, not the LED bulbs.
I just turn off my incandescent bulbs.

>>2594495
If you're considering waste products over the useful life of a product you have to consider the waste products of the energy consumed by the product. They're "invisible" because you don't see them when you throw a light bulb in the trash, but they still exist. And however you are generating power, you are going to need an order of magnitude more of it to run an incandescent light bulb over an LED. Even if you're sourcing all of your power from renewables, you need an order of magnitude more of those renewable power generators to run the incandescent, and they do not grow on trees. So no, I could not say that LED bulbs have more waste, because power constitutes an enormous amount of the waste products that are not immediately apparent to me.

>>2594507
Nothing is actually being wasted, because that energy is turned into heat. Just means I have to pay less for the heating bills. That's a bonus unless you live near the equator or something.

>>2594526
I'm not talking about waste heat. I'm talking about waste generated by the production of power. You don't see it because the power company isn't dumping their exhaust and ashes into your yard, they're not covering it in solar panels, and they're not building a hydroelectric dam in your bathtub. But they're still doing these things to generate the power you are consuming, and they are creating tangible waste products.

Additionally if we're going to consider the waste heat as a useful product, we have to consider the opportunity cost of using electric power to generate heat. You're still paying for that power and still generating waste to generate that power, and in general electric resistive heaters are the least efficient way to heat a house. It's less efficient because they are generating heat at a far away power plant and using a complicated series of mechanical and electric machines to send that power to your house, and there is a major energy loss along the way. You're not paying less for heating bills by heating your house with light bulbs, in fact you'd be paying the exact same amount as if you were heating your house with electric space heaters. If you have any other form of heating such as a gas, fuel, or wood stove, you would be paying much less money and generating much less waste overall if you used those and only those to heat your house entirely, and used efficient light bulbs that don't create any waste heat.

Inefficient light bulbs are not giving you free heat because you are paying full price for every bit of waste heat they generate, and you can generate far more heat for the same amount of money with a more efficient fuel powered heater.

>>2594526
>I have to pay less for the heating bills
And more for AC.

>>2594526
Heat rises. Heat emitted at ceiling height is worthless for heating a room.

>>2594495
>Wouldn't you say that LED bulbs have more waste products because of their complexity than simple incandescent bulbs once its useful life is exhausted?
This really depends on how you define "waste" and the actual lifetime of the product. If you exclude the waste heat, then incandescents come out ahead. If LED bulbs actually last the 10-20 years manufacturers claim and include waste heat, then LED bulbs would come out ahead.

>>2594542
This is only partially true. Yes, heat rises. But heat will rise slower if the ceiling is hotter. Also, not all lights are on the ceiling.

>>2594489
> wall wart style plug
Became popular during the decade following the year I cited, you don't remember because you weren't born yet.

>Old TVs were notorious for constantly sipping power to keep the tubes hot
Okay I know you're trolling but this is fun for me.
That is a massive load of bullshit, yes older TVs were more power hungry, BFD.
My big fat Zenith pulled 250W. Know how much power it drew when off? Zero.
Absolutely none. Because the power switch was, get this, a switch that switched the power on or off.
This was the 80s, it was a big fat 60" rear projector and cost around $4k.
That's about $10k today with inflation.

A $10k TV now is a 75"-85" 8K screen. Samsung Terrace, Sony XR Z9K, LG's Z2.
400W - 700W, the LG is by far the most efficient and *actually* draws around 300W average with real-world settings according to internet people.

Hmmmm, sounds like high-end TVs are waaaaaay worse now.
Oh, and they advertise that they pull 0.5W - 1W while fully powered off, while an old TV with a real power switch consumed absolutely nothing when switched off.

>>2594469
>lol, does the bed vibrate or something?
Vibrates, lifts, bends, folds, 4 USB ports, under-bed lighting. I love the future.

>>2594547
>Vibrates, lifts, bends, folds, 4 USB ports, under-bed lighting.
Why do you need a hospital bed?

>>2594403
well skippy, because I cannot repair them I am not "wasting" my time... but then I never waste my time. every bit of time I spend is exactly where I want to spend it, and if one day that involves repairing a light bulb? I will enjoy every minute of it.

you forced me to say this.
I don't need to work (and I don't work) and my parents both died a few years ago. before you ape something about living at home with my parents. I own my house which I paid cash for and which is now decked out in a manner that allows me to spend my time as I wish.

I fix things. sometimes I fix things that no one cares about. things that you would deem a waste of time...

but I enjoy it. because when you fix a thing it often stats fixed unlike humans that do not. I'm sure your dad would know what I mean.

so wallow in impotent rage that I fix meaningless things.

so I have tons of time to spend as I wish.

>>2594550
Because I am an incredibly old and fat cripple, and I like to sit upright in bed with my wife's old saggy tits in my face.

>>2593419
>100W light bulb costs blah blah blah
LED bulbs are (or should be) easy to repair. everyone goes on about "saving the planet" or some such bullshit.

so they made a "more efficient bulb"

UH OH! here comes dirty old man "unintended consequences".

sure old fashioned bulbs were "inefficient" but when you threw them away you threw away some:
glass
steel
tungsten
small amount of lead

LED bulbs get thrown away, what do they contain?
whatever is in all the components inside them, and plastic.

>>2594489
>constantly sipping power to keep the tubes hot
only later models when transistors came out. those were labeled as "instant on" the kept the filaments going to get a faster on time to compete with transistor sets.

>>2594547
You appear to be making up numbers to justify your stupid ass argument. I've pulled up a random TV from LG. It's an "LG C2 77 Inch Class 4K OLED evo w/ ThinQ AI" Here are the specs:
-77" Inches (That's 64% larger than your old ass Zenith)
-150W power consumption
-$2800 (less than your old ass zenith even not adjusting for inflation)
This is better than the specs of your old TV in every way besides power consumption while off. This is ignoring that rear projection TVs are quite possibly the worst television technology that mankind ever produced.

Your comparisons aren't fair because you're cherrypicking the worst numbers from a wildly different set of TVs. An 85" TV is double the screen area of a 60" TV, so why would you think it's fair to compare the power consumption of those two?

>>2594562
and you cherry pick better numbers.

>>2594547
> old crt tubes draw power when “off”
Of course they did you fake boomer, it’s common knowledge.
If you put your hand over the back on the top of the set you could feel the heat. When you turn off the lights, if you peer into the vent slits on the top neat the back you could make out the faint red glow of the heater. It’s literally just keeps the back if the crt warm. See picrel.

Almost every tv did this back in the day. Two reasons:
1. It starts up faster when you turn it on.
2. It reduces stress from thermal cycling.

t. actual boomer

>>2594562
Actually no, I compared 3 specific ~$10k TV from major brands to my very specific Zenith rear projector I bought in 88.
You'll find it's about the limit of price for anything they bother to market to consumers.
Just like how in 1988 a big 60" rear-projector screen for the equivalent of $10k in today-money was the limit of high-end TV available to consumers at the time.

So yeah, it's apples to apples.
Top-Tier TV 1988 : Top-Tier TV 2023
New one's a little bigger and burns a little more power, BFD, my comments have ALL argued that things have generally stayed the same, not gotten distinctly better or worse.

I'll say it again, adjusted for inflation my power bill is the same as it was 34 years ago.

>>2594571
>a little bigger
literally double the size, retard. 15" isn't a little bit because area scales quadratically. The comparison isn't fair for this reason alone, except to show that a top of the line TV today is double the size of a top of the line TV from the 80s, which sounds like a marked improvement to me.

>>2594569
once again, this was only the instant on sets. because I had tube tv's growing up and none of them were instant on and they did not draw any power until turned on.

>>2594537
Producing anything generates waste, whether its electricity, or heat. A few lightbulbs isn't going to change that in any significant way. Its like trying to chase down if something is a fraction of a percentage more efficient than something else. Most centralized residential heating systems use heat from thermal plants anyway, so the heating is essentially coming from the same source anyway.
>heating your house with light bulbs
>If you have any other form of heating such as a gas, fuel, or wood stove, you would be paying much less money and generating much less waste overall if you used those and only those to heat your house entirely, and used efficient light bulbs that don't create any waste heat.
lol, like I would/could only use lightbulbs as a sole heating source, why not both? One can easily supplement the other if, or when needed.
Your autism is cute and the chinese LED lobby thanks you.
>>2594538
>AC
lol, whats that? Also in the summer the sun is my lightbulb.

>>2594569
>Of course they did you fake boomer, it’s common knowledge.
Did I say they didn't?
Nope. I didn't mention CRTs.
I talked about my big fat power hungry rear-projection screen that likely burned more juice than any <30" CRT.

>>2594574
Want to know a secret? My 60" TV set was about 36" tall. A modern 75" TV is.... About 36.8" tall.
The difference is about 9" on each side of the screen. My TV was 48x36, a modern 75" is about 36.8x65.5.
So <1" difference in height, and the length of 3 dollar bills difference in width.
It's way less dramatic than you'd think.
Talk up the 8K, OLED, Netflix, Hulu, Outdoor Viewing Brightness, real shit that's much more impressive than the unremarkable difference in scale.

>>2594574
>2410.4 is double 1728
Try again later kiddo.
You didn't know that widescreen formats weren't popular in the US back then?
Like, how the first widescreens weren't sold in the US until the 1990s?
Wasn't that long ago.

>>2594403
They should stop making things that need repairing then, simple as.

>>2594559
>sure old fashioned bulbs were "inefficient" but when you threw them away you threw away some:
>glass
>steel
>tungsten
>small amount of lead
And its all recyclable and even if it gets dumped somewhere the only dangerous thing about it is getting a glass cut. LED bulbs on the other hand have lead in them.

>>2594574
You know what also isn't fair, they didn't have 8k HD LED TVs back in the 80s, you dumb nigger.

>>2594585
The power company also throws out 10x as much fly ash, but you don't see that part.

>>2594591
And what a miserable time to be alive that was.

Why are lightbulbs such a big deal anyway, don't people only turn them on if they are in the room and actually need light? The energy use is so inconsequential compared to someones gayman PC that draws somewhere around 800 watts when its being utilized and is on standby the rest of the time, or some söylent smart home that constantly has dozens of parasitic draw systems connected to wifi.

>>2594597
https://www.rapidtables.com/calc/electric/electricity-calculator.html
Try playing around with this. If you are dishonest with yourself and say you run a single 60W light bulb for 2 hours a day, it won't be very much, but more honest numbers will add up to something.

You will probably save a double digit amount of money per year if you switch all the light bulbs in your house from incandescent to LEDs. It is inconsequential in the sense that $20 is 0.06% of the median annual income in the US. It's a drop in the bucket. But ask yourself if lighting a $20 bill on fire feels inconsequential, and if that's any different from what you're doing here. Smart people have become very very rich off of people who can't comprehend that tiny fractions add up to tangible amounts in the long run.

>>2594616
Swapping all the bulbs with even cheap shit LEDs will cost more than $20, especially if there are lamps with enclosed housings, which will also need to be changed.

>>2594632
one-time investment to save more money over time. you do plan on continuing to live for a few more years right?

>>2594558
Fair enough.

>>2594559
Incandescent bulbs came in a cardboard box. LED bulb are in plastic clamshells.

>>2594577
>lol, whats that?
Something 80% of Americans depend on to survive.

>Also in the summer the sun is my lightbulb.
You never stay up after sundown?

>>2594590
>The power company also throws out 10x as much fly ash
Mine doesn't. HydroQC, baby.

>>2594597
>Why are lightbulbs such a big deal anyway

see >>2594470

>>2595132
People who live in the arctic don't have AC and don't need lights in the summer. It's a dumb argument though because power costs go through the roof for the other half of the year.

a fluorescent tube with a magnetic ballast will last for decades and is basically impossible to make badly.
LED fittings are purposefully built so that they die quickly and have to be replaced
bigclive has done a few videos on dubai lamps where the governemnt in dubai forced lamp makes to produce specific wattage lamps which last much longer because they run much cooler.
the companies choose on purpose not to do this anywhere else because they wouldn't make money by selling you more bulbs when they burn out quickly.
the difference in energy efficiency between a fluorescent tube and an led is miniscule when compared to something like halogen spotlights WHICH ARE STILL AVAILABLE TO BUY meanwhile the eu is phasing out fluoro tubes because.....? they have a little blob of mercury in them which is apparently much harder to process than sending thousands of times more broken led fittings to landfill or to africa so kids can burn them into the atmosphere to reclaim femto ounces of precious metals.
the whole thing is completely retarded.

>>2595263
>a fluorescent tube with a magnetic ballast will last for decades and is basically impossible to make badly.
They also flicker like crazy and will turn your living space into a soulless office/hospital from some 00s horror movie, not really my thing.

>>2595284
wrong

The best part of LED is finally having control over color temperature.

I don't have to walk around looking at nicotine stained "whites" in that shitty 2000k color incandescents served up.
Warm white is a color temp only a boomer mother can love.

>>2588061
>>2588076
Overheating exists because of shitty designs. Planned obsolescence still exists in the world of lighting. See 'Dubai bulbs'.
Depending on the driving circuitry, it's not too difficult to jury-rig these to run at lower wattages. www.bigclive.com/ledlmp.htm
Flip side is you might need a couple bulbs for the same lighting application.

>>2595129
except when they are in cardboard boxes.

>>2595841
Not where I live. You are lucky.

>>2595968
not him but i've also never seen bulbs sold in anything but cardboard boxes, what do yours look like?

>>2595968
ace hardware
home depot
lowes

>>2594403
I recently repaired 2 sealed old style transformer wall warts. one needed a new capacitor, the other had an actual fuse in it that blew.

why? because I can.

>>2597592
> repair wall warts.
I just replaced the caps in two 70s era switchable voltage wall warts i got from goodwill. Good for another 40 or 50 years.

I had to notch out a flathead screwdriver to open them. Weird screw technology.

>>2588051
Colorless green ideas sleep furiously

>>2588078
Same. I haven't changed a single one in 3 years. Meanwhile, the random incandescent ones I barely use are dropping like flies. I only really use my basement for laundry about once a week, so that's around 5-10 minutes each. Have lost two down there in the same time frame. Meanwhile, I frequently just leave the kitchen lights on but the LEDs refuse to die. Only downside is that they aren't burning the mosquitoes that land on them.

>>2588061
The good ones don't get very hot, but the dirt cheap ones will burn the fuck out of my fingers if I try to remove them after 5 minutes of use. YGWYPF

>>2588051
allow me to restate what this mong said:
because many LEDs are pure white, they contain blue light in their emitted spectrum.
This fine during the day, but after sundown it fucks your circadian rythm. Read "why we sleep" to learn more.
The solution is pure red LEDs, fixed as nightlights, and simply turning your damn lights off and sleeping during the night like you are supposed to.

>>2588038
all I know is that CREE make the best led diodes out there and I think they will literally last forever, like at least 100 years the problem becomes cooling and power supply going bad on you but i actually think if you make your own cree bulbs (you buy the diodes online) youll never have to buy another lightbulb ever again

>>2599749
>t. paid by CREE

>>2599749
CREE is training their AI

they strobe, so sensitive ppl may get a headache, motion sickness or even a stroke
the light they emit is kinda dampened/darker, i noticed that especially in streetlights. old lightbulbs were the brightest, warmest (could illuminate the whole street easily)
then they changed it to halogen tubes. still good illumination of the street, but you cant see as far as before, also light felt colder
and led seem not to illuminate at all. you can only really see anything if you stand inside the light cone.
idk what the effect is called but it seems led light seems to stop/isnt permeable as after shorter range. idk how to describe it.
i still have a normal lightbulb, 60w running, my grandma still has a halogen lamp, which is like idk 15 years old, never broke.(but it does need some time to switch on)
im a dumb zoomer but i like my oldschool lightbulbs even tho they eat electricity.
maybe leds are darker cuz they have max like only 10w? id buy a 60w led, but anons will cry about how thad would negate the point of saving muh electricity/environment

>>2599695
long story short, install red lights in your house and car

>>2588038
Technology reliant on slavery for its raw materials might be ECO friendly, but isn't that human friendly

>>2600379
yes. red lights on the front of your car

>>2600487
The only reason it's reliant on that is because the rich simply don't see financial incentive to swap over to machine labor. Why pay for an expensive machine when you've got disposable people who do it for cheaper? Odds are, if somebody is rich, they got that way by screwing a lot of other somebodies really fucking hard.

>>2601131
>Why pay for an expensive machine when you've got disposable people who do it for cheaper?
Why pay for an expensive ethically made product when there are cheaper products available?
>what? No, the rich people are the problem!

>>2601131
Also you dont have to guess, we have the data. We know for a fact that the majority of rich people (in first world countries) got rich by stuffing money into a retirement fund over the course of 40+ years.

>>2601224
>>2601227
Holy kek! My parents worked their asses off for their whole lives and they retired exactly where they were when they worked. Those average rich people were screwing somebody over. I run into them all the time when I go to places like the hospital or car lot.

>>2594323
Ok. My ikea LEDs have been going for close to a decade though, and don't care about your tism

>>2594323
Huh, that sorta explains why mine always survive so long. I have absolutely no decoration in my home, so no light cans. Just open bulbs.

>>2601337
>my parents didnt do it so nobody did!
...what?
Its literally just math. If you are debt free and have been maxing out your ira for 40 yeara, youre going to be rich as fuck by the time you retire.

Your parents either
>spent too much
>saved too little
>had too much debt

You have a complex, get it treated. You meet random people on the street and assume to know their lives. This is not healthy.

>>2588038
Cheap if you want to light up somewhere you dont care about light quality. Like outside at night or in the garage.
Shit for comfy rooms.

>>2599695
Not quite. Even warm white leds have relatively too much blue in their output (the so called violet peak).

The overall color of the light averaged out is still warm white but it contains too much blue. It is lower quality light and introduces color casts onto objects in addition to being unpleasant for the blue light biological effects.

>>2588051
>invisible blue
You are retarded. There is no such thing as invisible blue. Blue is, by definition, visible. On the higher frequency end of the spectrum the invisible portion is called ultraviolet.

>>2601435
>too much debt
They started on the bottom. They really did pretty good on wage slave jobs. Thing is, there wasn't anything to be saved most of the time. Needs had to be covered.

>>2601500
If your parents were living paycheck to paycheck for 40 years, then they either lived in a third world country or theres some angle youre not factoring. Did they have some kind of ongoing money draining medical issue? Which would be covered under too much debt, but i digress.
Either way, my point stands. We have the data on this. Its not hard, and most people are capable of doing it.

>>2601511
>Its not hard, and most people are capable of doing it.

sure pal

>>2601520
I... i dont understand, what are you trying to say?
Do you have an argument against the factual data and basic math behind this?

>>2588038
I find it unreal how this stupid thread has over 100 replies. LEDs are more efficient, that's it. There's no conspiracy theory, no on is trying to control you or harm you. I bet people acted the same way when electricity was first introduced and kerosene lamps started being phased out. If you don't like LEDs just go ahead and buy all the incandescent bulbs you can or better yet go join the Amish.

>>2601511
When you have to buy a house, cars, pay off college, pay for kids, and the daily expenses of life, that shit cuts into the opportunity to get much else done. Plus we had to move because Mexican cartel crime moved into our area. The single life makes your claim considerably easier.

>>2601579
>your claim
Again, you mean basic fucking math?
Its always excuses with you niggers, should have stuck around and got shot. Then youd have an actual reason to be such a loser.

>>2588835
Philips doesnt actually make anything related to bulbs anymore. Thats Signify NV, a separated company. Philips only makes medical tech anymore.

t. Philips shareholder.

>>2590400
But they are? Philips is only a brand name authorized for electronic goods, the company Philips does not actually make consumer electronics anymore, it has subdivided and sold off all branches that did, like Signify and a few others. Philips markets itself as a producer of sleep apnea machines these days.

>>2601583
>Poor people deserve to be shot.
You're pretty funny. Bet you've got rich parents that think they're better than everyone, huh? Too bad you never see them because they're always off at some fancy club that no poor people will be seen at.

>>2588038
LEDs produce very low quality light. better than flourescents, but nowhere near as good as incandecents.

>>2588076
are you retarded you stupid bitch? incandescent is the preferred bulb for fucking ovens. they are supposed to be fucking hot. LEDs are not supposed to be hot

>>2588075
its not visible if its mixed in with a bunch of [cyan-red]

>>2589255
I live where its cold so its like free heat to go along with my top of the line full spectrum bulb

>>2589461
strobing is a huge problem.

>>2589867
>just change your camera settings
>change your brain settings too
>and dont mind the shitty spectral output
>what you dont like flashy shitty spectrum bulbs?

>>2601608
Not him, but poor people are usually poor because they are retards. Hence niggers generally being broke as fuck.

>>2589929
are you for real dude?
lets see
>smooth perfect sine wave from 100% down to 98%
or
>literal square waves from 110% to 0%

gee I wonder which will be more pleasant

>>2589950
sounds like a wiring problem

>>2589978
wrong

>>2590009
theyll just flicker more.

>>2590816
diodes have a voltage drop. they will hit 0V twice every AC cycle

>>2593567
>he doesnt notice the flicker on LED tail lights
what is wrong with your eyes/brain?

>>2594537
>I'm talking about waste generated by the production of power
you mean like the stuff that powers heaters?

>>2594542
wrong

>>2594542
>what is IR heat

>>2601617
Cameras and eyes don't work the same way
my lights don't visibly flicker, but my camera can capture it with a sufficiently fast shutter speed. I was not sure if my lights even flickered until i took that photo

>>2595441
>>2593360
>>2592056
most of the color temperature changing ones have the absolute worst spectrums

>>2601641
>flicker
no thanks. no one wants flicker. no one thinks "gee these bulbs are producing a steady stream of light, sure would be nice if they turned on and off several dozen times a second instead"

>>2601645
It's not visible to the naked eye in most cases
and to be clear, this isn't because they're led, leds themselves don't flicker, it's entirely up to their power supply. If you don't want it, use high quality or DC power supplies

>>2601641
>What is remanence
Hmm

Know what, if all this shit is so bad, why aren't you guys building better LED bulbs and showing off your designs? The only diy I see in here is bitching.

>>2601758
they already exist is the thing.

there are flicker-free, spectrum-adjustable led bulbs for $4/ea at consumer sizes
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B8TNK47C

and all the bigass Cree/etc leds used by municipalities and businesses are also two-way ("flicker-free"), although their spectrum typically sucks as they're for mixed outdoor use

>>2601599
No retard, pity cravers deserve to be shot.
You literally read that and thought "its because im poor!" Youre a fucking pity craver.

Im richer than my parents by the way.
The only reason my parents arent going to retire broke is because my financial habits inspired them to stop being retarded with their money.

Life is not rich vs poor.
Get that pity dick outcha mouth

>>2601871
Oh please, I don't even wanna be what most consider rich. I live better than most kings have lived, and I'm plenty happy. My point is that I simply don't trust or respect rich people. Not sure why you think I'd want pity when I've made it clear I don't want to be like them.

>>2601989
>My point is that I simply don't trust or respect rich people.
Yes, retard, the problem is that you have literally no basis in reality to hold that opinion.

>>2601991
You mean like the one you just told me about?

>>2601994
Nigger what. Again we have the data, it is a fact. Most rich people became rich by accumulating savings over decades, and most people have the capability to become rich by doing that.

>>2601997
No, dumbass. I mean your opinion of my ability to make judgements about those I've had interactions with. Hell, I go and do work for people that are scraping by, and they give me a bonus. Then I work for the rich guy and he complains about it even when my estimate is spot on. The doctors and bankers are always trying to Jew me.

>>2602000
>I mean your opinion of my ability to make judgements about those I've had interactions with.
Oh, my bad. Its just that its so hard to understand you when you dont speak in complete sentences like the absolute fucking invalid you are.

>Hell, I go and do work for people that are scraping by, and they give me a bonus. Then I work for the rich guy and he complains about it even when my estimate is spot on. The doctors and bankers are always trying to Jew me.
Skill issue

>>2602002
Congratulations on not recognizing proper English, while also failing to make complete sentences. Also you're using assumptions as the foundation of your arguments again.

It's clear you're out of ammo if that's all you've got. I mean, you could just keep making a fool of yourself. Nobody knows who you are, so it's not like they're gonna be able to shame you for it outside of this thread.

>>2602003
No no, your reply was literally not the correct syntax to convey the meaning you intended. You provided no claritive subject statement despite the subject you were addressing having been last addressed several responses past. Cope.

I dont need ammo, youre already dead. You have provided zero refutation to the point i made. All youve done is say
>no i dont like them!!!
Terrible

>>2602003
>if that's all you got
IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS STATEMENT, YOU HAD TO IGNORE PREVIOUS POINTS YOU HAVE YET TO REFUTE

YOU ARE A LOSER

>>2602004
>>2602005
lol

>>2602006
Loser

>>2602007
Then why are you mad while I'm content?

>>2602008
You are a loser

>>2602010
:)

>>2602011
Loser

>>2601647
>It's not visible to the naked eye in most cases
I dont believe you. if theres a PWMd LED directly in front of me, I am looking to the right of it, then move my eyes to the left of it, I am going to see it.

>>2592297
based and /k/ pilled

>>2592094
They're only going to be illegal for ~18 months until Biden gets thrown out on his ass and "his" executive order gets cancelled by the next guy.

>>2602127
It's not like the next establishment goon is gonna do the same shit as him. Nope, not a chance.

>>2602046
it depends on how the specific unit is made, mine are of reasonable quality, their flicker is closer to an incandescent, where they just fade slightly each cycle
even spinning my eyes to make a circular persistence shape, which is a good way to see flicker which is hard to perceive statically, it's still nearly a solid light
how and if leds flicker is /entirely/ up to its power supply, they can be powered by pure DC (like a battery) and have literally zero flicker, all the way up to extremely high speed deliberate PWM flicker used for data communication (optical data transmission like fibre internet and optical audio use leds to create the pulsed light, because they turn on and off basically instantly)

>>2592297
>rain season
>can't use heaters because energy conservation
>LED electronics get fried from being damp
>no more lights 4 u
LMAO @ UR LYF

I got real expensive warm led bulbs for my house and theyve lasted almost 7 years now. Needed to replace one a couple months after install, likely a defect.

If you buy a 10 dollar chinesium led bulb you're going to get a bank of pure white leds driven to exactly their operating limits and will burn out in a year.
Help your eyes, dont replace them almost as often as incandecents, get a high quality bulb with good red-yellow phosphors. Even if they are 30 bucks a pop.

No joke CFLs are better than low end LEDs in just about every way.

>>2601484
>>2588075
>>2588105
You don't need a particularly good imagination to read what he wrote and understand:

The blue LED backlighting that you don't notice unless you know it's there and looking, which btw makes it "invisible" to most people, is bad for you.

>>2602340
The whole so called "invisible blue light" was made up to be intentionally misleading marketing for glasses and sunscreen and other snakeoil products.
Its scientific fact that your circadian rhythm is affected by different wavelengths (and intensities) of light.
Blue light, and more importantly bright light, are the ones that trigger your mind to stay awake, because it thinks its outside in the middle of the day.

All electronics are adding "night modes" where it dims the screen and gives it a yellow/orange hue while cutting out blue wave lengths.
And it works, 5-10 minutes of night mode kicks your body into "sleep mode".

Its not "bad for you", in fact that blue light is what keeps you feeling energetic through the day. Its literally in sun light.
You want to just remove yourself from it for a while before you go to bed.

Only "daylight" LED (like 5000k and up) produce said blue light.
And if you are going to run 5000k or higher lights, turn them off and lay in bed with your phone on night mode for a while.

Stop being a retarded rube

>>2588038
>he doesnt use a dimmer and phillips warm glow bulbs
They are 2700k which when dimmed go down under 2000k
God tier

>>2602336
CFLs are absolute trash

>>2602721
why??

>>2603358
mercury for one thing.
crappy spectrum for another (pic related)
can't work in extreme cold or heat.
also flicker.

>>2588038

I have 6 of these bad boys. They're 4,060 lumens, cost next to nothing to power on, last forever and they have a 3 way switch for soft white, cool white and OH FUCK YOU CAN SEE THIS SHIT FROM SPACE.

>>2603911
How hot do they get?

>>2588038
Can you throw higher rated LED bulbs into low rated lamps?

Like a lamp fixture only rated for 40 watts will burn up and catch fire with 100w bulb wont it? And thats because of the high heat of the 100w incandescent bulb right?

Arent LED bulbs way way cooler, so you can just throw insanely bright bulbs into any fixture right?

>>2593093
no, it means you will laugh less than once

>>2603939

They stay surprisingly cool even when on all night. Warm but you can touch and hold them.

>>2603939
>higher rated LED bulbs
no, the "ratings" on LED bulbs are just bullshit because they're in terms of equivalent-to-incandescent efficiency.

A true 40 watt LED would be like a truck headlight, absolutely blinding, totally inappropriate for a lamp.

>>2603939
LED bulbs have internal PSUs. if you are trying to run 10W of LEDs at 10W in a 3W bulb, that is probably a bad idea, since the PSU is probably not rated for 10W.

However, if you want to throw 10W of LEDs in and run them at 3W, that is a good idea. LED bulbs usually push their LEDs to their limit, so it would be good to run them below their rating.

Its actually a common mod to make LED bulbs rated for 3W to run at for example 2W, so they arent pushed as hard

>>2602368
philips sell something similar to be used with regular switches, if you turn them on and off fast it changes between 3 levels, similar to your picture.

>>2593248
On the chinesium side Ceramic LED lights are quite nice, the only problem left is the shitty/cheap PCB design.

>>2588134
>5000k
Yuck

>>2594632
Then just replace them when they die, which incandescent light bulbs, halogens and even those old shitty CFLs do all the fucking time

>>2601614
If you were otherwise heating with space heaters, very unlikely in a cold climate.

>buy power
>throw it away
>call it free
niggas really do think it be like this

>>2608137
>he throws away power instead of harnessing it
ngmi

>>2588038
It's gay because of all the power conversions involved.

>>2592080
blue lights probably bad, but youve been staring at it for the better part of 2 decades so far, so.

its kinda like south korea and fan death. they used to* (totally not anymore) believe that leaving a fan running in the room would cut oxygen particles in half and suffocate people who fell asleep in this rooms. youll find universally pretty much all fans in korea have max timers, no just on and off switches. just wait till you see how many people "accidentally killed themselves" falling asleep alone in rooms with just a fan.

>>2588051
>reduces melatonin production
meme
>resulting in poor sleep
meme
>chronic insomnia
meme
>eventually dementia
total meme
>and early death
can't come soon enough

>>2609707
Explanations for fan death are all over the place. The really dumb ones think it's because of carbon monoxide poisoning from an electric motor and the really smart ones think it's hypothermia caused by a technically correct and overly complicated explanation of evaporative cooling. Old people still believe in this but newer generations have been told by foreigners over the internet that it's not real.

>>2588051
/pol/ says there are tiny Jews in each one

the cost of resources vs the cost of energy. A The old filament bulbs barely costed any material and was fully recyclable. Now they are chucked to the brim with trow away chick electronics. The shortage of energy is totally manufactured by lobbies restricting the masses.

>>2612889
>old filament bulbs
Fucking retarded they decided to ban these. I have a 300W J bulb standing lamp and it lights the whole room with ease. There is a CFL in an another room also a stand light that is 300W equivalent and it just can't keep up. Haven't tried LEDs but they seem like cancer.
Guess I'll see what the chinks come up with to mount ten 30 watt appliance bulbs into a J type mount