/diy/ - Do It Yourself

OP, if you are a poorfag get a cheep rifle. Mosins can be found for 100$, but are known for over pentration.

Tie a good knife to the end of a broomstick.

Keep a mug full of concentrated sulphuric acid on your desk. Better yet, keep two or three.

>>252811
is /k/ serious when they recommend mosin nagants? is 1 worth getting?

>>252821
hahahahahahaha

>>252823
Naw, they are good if you want a cheap rifle, but not really suited for HD if you dont want to kill your neighbors too.

If its a gun you want then go and buy a Mossberg 500 or Remington 870. Cheap and easy to use.

Otherwise if your looking to scare off intruders then get some motion activated sensors with lights and sounds attached to them. Unless they are there to murder you they will probably scatter at the sound of a high pitched piezo buzzer going off.

HD is some of the things where its better to be a buyfag, you could of course make some locks for your doors a such, but you better know what you are doing.

>>252811
No, a cheap shotgun with slugs is far better than any rifle for home defense. Even a small one like a .410 with slugs is more preferred than a hole puncher of a rifle.

>>252802
Building a new house from the ground up with security in mind is of course better than retrofitting an old house.

The level of defense you want must also be known. If you are merely looking for a way to have a burglar want to break in another house or stall a burglar so the police can get there before he gets inside then there are many easy and relatively cheap ways to do that.

Window bars, big dogs, real cameras (never use the fake ones), and solid doors and bolts are more than enough to keep out most people wanting in your house. The next step after than is installing a security system that is constantly monitored by a professional company. For burglars it boils down to time. The longer it takes them to get inside is the better their chances of getting caught and going to jail. So, you make them stay outside as long as possible so they end up bugging out and leaving.

If they stay beyond that limited amount of time you will literally have a siege on your house. If you want to defend from a siege then you'll need to spend a lot of money. Weapons, external choke points, fortified firing positions, safe rooms, fall back positions, inner fortified firing positions, inner choke points, and a final escape route/plan are needed.

Sieges normally only occur in war torn areas/civil war areas. However, they can occur after natural disasters, rioting, or even if you live in an extremely remote area and those besieging you know your help will be a long time coming if it comes at all.

Everyone says get a shotgun even if you're not going to shoot someone use it for the sound. If you're going for sound why not a fucking chain saw?

My mate use to live in a big shed near a seedy area.
The only thing he ever used as home defence was a bucket of petrol sitting on the ground.
He said 'who would want a bucket of petrol thrown on them'
Word got around and in all the time he lived there, no one ever tried to break into 'the dude with the bucket of petrol's house'

>>252899
I was with you until "slugs"...Nigga you crazy? So they should use the shotgun, but use it like a rifle? NO NO NO. Use some kind of shot, Ill leave it up to you what size but Ive got 000 in mine and 2 3/4 inch shells. The whole point is not to penetrate walls, to inflict maximum carnage, not to have to have too much skill with a firearm and to have the pump noise that everyone in the world knows,

>>254502
Slugs are big fat pieces of lead with massive amount of stopping power. It is stopping power you need. The hydrostatic shock a slug from a shotgun produces is far better than shot or pumpkin balls. It hits and the meplat transfers nearly all the energy to one big location. Bodies that are mostly water are obliterated by it and there's less chance of collateral damage.

A large caliber hand gun with hollow points would be better though.

>>252899
THIS! This person knows what they are talking about. Great advice on the shotgun. Many SWAT teams use shotguns because it mitigates the risk of shooting through walls and injuring innocent civilians.
Pic unrelated: could not post without

>>254506
Really? So thats what a slug is. I just assumed you were referring to a shell less mollusk. My point was, that a slug has the same inherent issues that smaller single projectile rounds have of over penetration, and Im going to assume OP isnt the type to be able to aim real well ina combat situation since he was asking if /k/ was serious about nuggets. Also, depending on what shotgun he buys, it may not even fire slugs. So Again, Id go wtih some sort of shot shell, I suggest 00 with a 2 3/4 inch shell

>>252991
BTW..interesting idea, but how did he keep it from evaping? And what did he do about the fumes?

>>254506
Dont make me call /k/.
Use 00 buckshot, basically the same on close range without the over-penetrating issue of a slug.

>>254514
It seems you are under the impression that a shotgun firing shot or balls will have any sort of useful spread in a CQC situation. Nothing could be further from the truth.

>>254525
/k/ really doesn't know shit about firearms any more than /v/ knows about video games.

>>254527
>/k/ really doesn't know shit about firearms any more than /v/ knows about video games.
sure...

>>252984
Because the sound of a sliding pump shotgun round being chambered is one of the most intimidating sounds known to man.

I cant remember the article, but it was several years ago they did a study on "modern sounds"
They found a dog growling, rattlesnake rattling, and a shotgun pump being racked some of the top most intimidating sounds to a human.

Although if you want sheer terror/surprise I would just rig up some super xenon strobe lights along with one of those train whistles you see on ppls vehicles. Bastids would be blind and deaf trying to get away from my house. lol

get a fucking big dog

>>254557
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1czBcnX1Ww
the horror

real men don't need firearms

>>254527

Slugs are for long range bro, also see over-penetration

And you're right, there won't be a meaningful spread at short range

00 buck, however, is the equivalent of putting 8 (typically) .22 caliber bullets (or .33 to be exact, for specific 00, but the .22 is a comparison) into someone at once which is what it makes it effective. Shotguns don't work like in videogames.

>>254557

and yeah, that's a very good idea

>>254651
More like a weak .38 special.

>>254652
00 is .33cal and 0000 is .38cal even 4 is .24cal

saw this on /o/

>truckers friend

>>254628
Yeah but add a couple of chainsaws and a couple of spot flood lights....

Would scare the shit outta me.

While I live in a relatively nice neighborhood, my street has had quite a few break in during the last two weeks. We are pretty sure it is atalented /diy/er adult who live within the neighborhood but I have been prepared accordingly. I keep a backpack under my partners (she is my girlfriend.. just dont like using the term since we been together for 7 years and she isnt my wife) with first aid kit, a BRIGHT flashlight, knife, and phone charger. As far as weaponry: I keep a 12 gauge shotgun with 00 buck shot and a .38 special revolver. I feel like this would do the job if I needed it to.. just hope I don't have to.

My best word of advice though would be to work out a plan with the people in your house in case something happens. My kids know to stay in their rooms and my "woman" knows to stay behind the bed while calling the police.

>>254666
Actually that's not even necessary. Any semi is basically a rolling weapon arsenal, from tire irons to screwdrivers. If you pilot one and don't have something that works as a weapon within hand's reach there's something with you and your truck.

>>254666

Box hatchet?

http://www.garrettwade.com/all-purpose-box-hatchet/p/08A01.02/

>>254666
>You will never give some punk an axe to the face in a high octane chase down a desert road.

1) acquire a dog
2) put some thing in front of the door/window that will move, and make noise if opened. Any thing that will wake you up, and make a the robber nervous ex: jingle bell, broom, cup etc

Scare tactics ftw. My home alarm system is a rave soundrig set up to a motion sensor alarm; where it would normally trigger the annoying home alarm, it instead turns on some enormously loud dubstep/hardtrance/speedcore. Wouldn't believe how fast police arrive and burglar's run off.


does have the annoying side effect of attracting pilled-up kandi ravers though

>>252802
My best, all serious, easy to follow advice? Be the badass redneck on the block. My neighbors have watched me pull my Saiga with the drum, body armor, and cases of ammo out of the truck, just to come back and get the shovel, tarps and duct tape in the second trip. They are ALL very friendly. I also give them a hand when I can. I buy Girl Scout cookies, and candy bars from their kids. I mow their yard if they go on vacation. And I back people out of the neighborhood. We had a group of "kids" that lived at the end of the road cuasing a ruckus at all hours of the night. So EARLY one morning I went down and had a chat with them. No more problems. Know your surroundings, know your neighbors, be a team. Like the one ANON said, have a plan, FOR ANYTHING. Zombies, tornadoes, floods, whatever. It makes it hard for people to rob, or attack you when you are prepared.

>>252821
their horrible get a tactical shotgun and load it with oo buckshot

>>254502
haha 2 3/4.. I remember being 12. go 3 1/2 and make sure no body is left behind

there is no choice you must build an iron man suit

loud dog
NRA sticker on your car

>>254962
do what this guy said

>>252984 and everyone else suggesting chainsaws...

You don't want to do that because it'll fuck with your situational awareness. Gas engines are loud...even at idle...being indoors isn't going to help.

>MFW people suggesting shotguns
>MFW people think Shotgun pumps are actually a deterrent
>MFW people think 00 buck doesn't overpenetrate like a motherfucker
>MFW .223 has less overpenetration than buckshot

Just get an Ar-15 OP. The .223 round has better barrier penetration, while simultaneously having less overpenetration.
30 rounds of .223 is a much greater weapon than 5-8 shells of buck.

Get a dog, a bat, a hammer and pepper spray.

BELLS AND STRINGS ALL OVER THE FLOOR. IT'S THE ONLY ALARM YOU NEED.

My general plan for if i hear someone breaking in, is to head downstairs naked, wearing nothing but a sam browne belt with my sabre on it, a kukri in my hand and a bright strobe light, at which point I will begin laughing hysterically.

New world records for the 200 meter sprints will be set.

paintball gun filled with glass marbles

also, rent the movie Home Alone

>>255469
Why would you use buckshot? That's like trying to shoot someone indoors with sniper rifle. The point of shotgun as a defensive weapon is the scatter of the load you put in. You want to easily hit and immobilize the target and cut him in half. Also shotgun wont jam, shit on you or wont cost arm and a leg unlike your glorious shit ar-15. What will you suggest next? Jam-tastic Kimber 1911???? Also should get laser and tacticool flashlight? We are talking about home defense, not full on assault.


To OP and all the others, get Mossberg 500 aka the AK of shotguns with birdshot or whatever you feel like, though I would personally refrain from exotic loads such as dragon's breath, could possibly burn your house down.
Also, one very important rule, IF YOU ARE GOING TO SHOOT SOMEONE.... KILL THEM!!!! they can't sue you back, or tell their sob story, or make up their defense.

AS far as dogs go, get small ones that will bark at anything and everything.

BTW> Some very good advices in this thread fellow /DIY/kes

>>255469
>MFW NO F*&KING FACE!!
Again, if this anon could shoot, he wouldnt be asking about home defense. Shotguns dont require a whole lot of aim. Also, HOW F*&KING expensive is an AR compared to a Pardner 12 ga? The cheapest AR is like 600$ for the shiiiitiest AR imaginable and a decent pump is like 150-200$

>>255625
Forgot my face..dammnit.

>>255624
>birdshot
FYI, birdshot doesn't penetrate human skin/clothes

This is what I have in my shotgun. In order: 1 birdshot shell, 3 00 buck shells and 2 slugs. If the bird shot doesn't scare them off, then you increase the pain. Hopefully you won't need the slugs.

>>255649
Also, I own a mossberg 500. Always next to my bed.

>>255624
>Why would you use buckshot? That's like trying to shoot someone indoors with sniper rifle

Looky here boys
We got us a someone who has never actually shot a shotgun

>birdshot or whatever you feel like, though I would personally refrain from exotic loads such as dragon's breath

Welp, that confirms it

>>255632
>FYI, birdshot doesn't penetrate human skin/clothes
See bottom right picture.

/k/ here, just get a 9mm handgun or .38 special/.357 magnum revolver.

CZ 75B 9mm, Ruger GP100 .357 mag, or Smith&Wesson 686 .357 are all good choices.

what's the fucking problem with a soft tip rifle round?

>>255660
As much as Id love to agree with you bc handguns can always travel with you discretely, the OP probably cant hit the wall from across the room in his house in the dark while trying to defend himself, so I would say a 9mm is definitely out of the ?.

>>255665
Not a lot, except you have to aim the rifle. Again, the major advantage of a shotgun is not having to be really well versed in the operations of the weapon to get it to be effective.

do NOT get a shotgun. firing that in a small space like a house will blow your eardrums out

>>255798
You are a retard. It will NOT blow your eardrums out, and even if it did, better YOUR eardrums than the burglar/thief/murders killing/robbing/raping you.

>slugs vs 00 shot
>overpenetration bullshit

lol Yeah, I'm sure if you shoot a burglar with a 12-gauge slug he's going to laugh and say, "only plebs use over penetrating slugs" before killing you.

Get your head out of your asses.

>>255801
bull fucking shit. tell that to my uncle, he cant hear in his right ear at all and severely damaged the hearing in his left when he got robbed and shot his shotgun at the guy robbing him. you arent trying to make a human slushie, just get a handgun. it'll still be loud, but at least you wont go deaf. plus, you dont even need to hit. if someones breaking into your house they're already probably nervous as hell, hearing a shot go off would make them piss their pants and run out of the house at the speed of light.

>>255801
no it WILL blow out your eardrums, disoreantation of course and if the thief is far enough away like in a hall way he migt fair better and attack you. They also make some really expensive silenced shotguns redjacket kicks ass xp

>>255812
Thats all fine and good for most, but what if the assailant is doped up on something? Or mental?
Then you do need that stopping power. Hit em hard and put em down.

Also in the wisdom of G Gordon, kill em dead. Dont leave an attacker alive in your house. If you do they can come up with any excuse of why they were there. If they are dead there is only one side...yours.

>shotgun

lol, just get a simple handgun and learn to aim. You don't need to take out a bear.

>>255812

Are you sure he wasn't hearing impaired before? Shotguns are loud, but they aren't that loud.

>diy home defense?
Sawed-off shotgun. Why? It looks cool.

Build trap doors and rotating walls, everywhere in your house. Be sure to remember where they are...

What about a .22 cal semi auto handgun with 15+ capacity magazine, if allowed in your jurisdiction?

Or a small .22 semi auto carbine with a drum magazine?

Small, concealable in the case of a handgun, no overpenetration, not loud enough to burst your eardrums, enough shots to have some covering fire, more than enough rounds to turn attacker into Swiss cheese even when missing every second shot. If the attacker still moves after being hit, just shoot him again, he's slower with every hit.

Large unwieldy shotguns cannot be aimed by the untrained, indoors, IMHO.

>>255917
the people who use the adjective "simple" on this board are 12

Myself? Well, I use a complex pistol.

>>255917
because it's easier to hit something in close range with a shotgun, it's more intimidating (especially a pump action) and because it won't do as much damage to your home/go through your target and take out the neighbor's dog

>>255954
>aiming a shotgun

let me explain to you how aiming a shotgun in a self defense situation works
>put stock on shoulder
>point barrel in general direction of target
>pull trigger
the fucking end. In a house especially, unless you live in a multimillion mansion, there really isn't a bunch of wide open spaces for a target to run and hide to

>>252802
Your first victim might not care but the one you hit AFTER the one you meant to, might care a lot. THATS why I dont use slugs or rifles or even my handgun for HD. I use my Lil Pardner 12ga.

>>255928
Im picturing Hogwarts. Moving staircases, entrances behind portraits..sounds tight! Where do I sign up?

>>255812
Sorry to hear about your uncle. Im betting he already had some hearing damage, and he, in a nervous state, defending his life, probably turned his shotgun too far over and had the chamber too close to his ear. It takes A LOT of pressure to rupture an ear drum. A LOT. Like more than what sitting in a car shooting a 12ga produces. That being said your uncle is alive to bitch about not hearing and THAT is the point behind home defense. Now the real question is "Did he hit ANYTHING?" Anything at all? BC I bet he didnt, proving the point that most folks cant aim in high stress situations.

>>255961
you can even skip step one there. Just point in general direction of noise and pull trigger.

I bought a Mossberg 500 used $150 and put this in it http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=43474/Product/WINCHESTER-PDX1-SHOTGUN-AMMUNITION..
>slugs
>buckshot
Pick 2
Pic related, it's the load I'll blow inside you.

>>256013
>slugs

you're sort of defeating the purpose of using a shotgun for home defense if you're shooting slugs. Shotguns are good for home defense because
a) it doesn't require very precise aiming
b) it isn't going to blow a hole in your wall should you miss your target/it isn't going to exit your target and go through your wall, hit an unintended bystander

>>256020
This has both. 3 copper plated AA buckshot pellets and one rifled slug. Good spread and if the slug connects they're down, if not the buckshot will maim them well enough to follow up with the second shot.

>>255958
>I use a complex pistol.

I always carry my gun disassembled, when I get assaulted I can put it together in a couple of seconds.
THAT'S HOW PROS DO IT, SON.

>>256020
>a) it doesn't require very precise aiming

You've never fired a shotgun at close range. It isn't like video games where the shot spreads out to ridiculous size and coverage.

Shot patterns:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxSMw3PsO1w

Expanding slugs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxEPUnZHr5M

Comparisons for shooting through walls:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_v1a9rPyRBk

So, yeah slugs not shot.

>>256020
>a) it doesn't require very precise aiming
At the ranges you'd be shooting you're going to have to aim just as much as any other gun

>b) it isn't going to blow a hole in your wall should you miss your target/it isn't going to exit your target and go through your wall, hit an unintended bystander

unless you're shooting birdshot it's going through them and several drywalls end of story

>>255954

No. Do not use a .22 for home defense. You're not going to significantly injure someone with one unless you score a hit on the heart or head....and I've heard tales of .22 not being able to penetrate a skull.

If they're on drugs there's a good chance they're not even going to feel a "body shot".

Also, concealment isn't really an issue here.

>>256069
>>255954
.22LR is really only good for rifle use when using it against a human. Pistol velocity won't be high enough to do as well. But, who'd want an SV-99 for home defense?

>>256013
PDX is the coolest shit in ammo in the last 10 years easy. And why is it everyone here arguing about for slugs has forgotten that shot comes in different freaking sizes? You could use #4 or #2 or any other shot you wanted. I happen to use 00 buck but thats jst my choice.

OP If you dont want a firearm you could go LTL and get a paintball gun full of OC paintballs.

Regardless of what ammunition you choose for home defense, there's one thing to remember:

IF IT'S STRONG ENOUGH TO PUT DOWN A THREAD, IT'S GOING TO GO THROUGH WALLS.

Period. End of discussion. Ammunition chosen for it's lack of wall-penetration will suffer for a lack of badguy-penetration.

A shotgun, loaded with buckshot (NOT birdshot), will do the job and put down an intruder with one shot with FAR more reliably than any handgun round. Handguns are made for carrying out in the world, not for home defense.

In the end, shot placement is key. Learn to control your firearm. Practice is not only important, but it's FUN, so you have no excuse to be incompetent with your home defense firearm.

>>256117
>what is hollowpoint ammunition

>>256121
Are you trying to make a point?

Even hollow-point pistol ammunition isn't as effective as 12ga 00 Buckshot, or even rifle rounds.

The pistol is a sidearm. Not a primary armament. Hollow-points made the best of a bad situation (ie: something has gone wrong if you're forced to draw your sidearm). They aren't magical "cop-killers" like the media likes to label them.

>>256117
I only wish there was an ammunition and a weapon powerful enough to take this thread down.

>>256124
>IF IT'S STRONG ENOUGH TO PUT DOWN A THREAT
how about you define that, a single .45acp hp into a vital zone will fuck up everybody's day

>>256126
I shouldn't have to.

But since you asked...

Many fools suggest using 12ga birdshot, claiming it'll act as a slug as close ranges but will scatter on impact with drywall.

The birdshot begins spreading quickly as it leaves the barrel, and it doesn't hit in one solid mass. It lacks the penetrative capacity of a proper defense round.

Birdshot cannot even penetrate clothing, in many instances. There's a REASON the FBI uses a minimum of (15", I believe?) penetration as their recomendation for defensive ammunition. Your goal isn't to hurt them. It's to penetrate to their central nervous system and remove the threat as quickly as possible.

>Clay Block Test with DDupleks steel slugs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QhHPNGeHjU

slugs > shot

>>256126
That would go through a wall. Unless you have brick or cement walls obviously, but if it can go through bone flesh it's going to go through you're average drywall. Yeah you might be able to kill someone with a less powerful round, you might be able to kill them with a well placed slingshot round. But underpowering yourself like that and relying on luck is a stupid plan.

>.45 ACP - Grizzly Xtreme - 175 Gr. +P JHP Ammo Test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fvUhGp0mRc

This one hates people.

>>256133
>living in an house thats made out of cardboard

>frangibles? whut dat?

Also, who the fuck thinks .45 acp vs an unarmored target is "underpowered"?

>>256139
People who cant aim or like dismembered bodies.
Get a flamethrower OP.

>>256139
Frangible bullets are shit. And I never said 45 ACP is underpowered, I said it's adequate and would, as a result, be able to go through the average wall. Underpowered is referring to the idiotic shit people are talking about like birdshot, that wouldn't even be able to go through clothing.

>>256135
Christ on a cracker... That's some serious expansion and damn fine weight retention...

Off to look up their other offerings...

Though my chosen handgun round is these:
http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=283

200 grain .44mag wadcutters. That's a solid, cylindrical, lead hole-punch tearing your shit up.

>>256146

>birdshot won't go through clothing

Are you motherfuckers serious? Or just that dumb?

>>256143
A flamethrower would most likely kill you and the assailant. Using a flamethrowing indoors in a house will burn up all the oxygen in the room and suffocate you. This was a war technique used specifically with flamethrowers.

>>256146
>has no real world experience with any firearm apparently
>makes up bullshit on the interbutts.

Another day on 4chan.

>>256183
I dont see the problem, are you some kind of tree hugging pussy?

>>256154
Which super expanding bullets were having trouble with the law and the company finally took them off the market?

>>256186
Why even reply?

Oh, you mad, that is why.

>>256197
Are you talking about Black Talons?

They're still available, but under a different brand name. Which I don't recall, at the moment.

>>256184
>>256167
That poster may or may not be an idiot. I don't know, nor do I care.

Though his point about birdshot and clothing isn't entirely inaccurate.

A leather or denim jacket will stop all penetration of birdshot size pellets from a 12ga shotgun. Hell, even the layers of a hooded sweatshirt, t-shirt, and undershirt will probably do the same.

The immediate cancellation to anyone arguing birdshot for home defense: Dick Cheney.

He shot a guy in the fucking FACE with birdshot, from a close range, whilst hunting quail. Not only did the guy survive without serious injury, HE apologized to Cheney.

>>256214
As someone who has been shot with a shotgun, I can tell you that birdshot damn sure will penetrate clothing and several inches deep into the flesh under it. and I was shot at about 35 yards. I am still alive, and I wouldn't recommend it for self defense, but any ammo you have in a shotgun will be effective in close quarters. Home defense usually takes place at less than 20 feet. any load can be deadly at that distance.

>>256212
Yeah, that is the one.

Antique blunderbuss loaded with bent nails, ball bearings and scrap iron. Aint no fucker gon' walk away from that.

personally I go with a pistol gripped rem. 870 with 00 and 000.
But if we are talking about fortifying, plant thorny bushes like roses under windows. Raised beds in the front yard out of railroad ties for a fallback.
Motion sensors are cheap, you can get ones with alarms that go off in the house when the perimeter is crossed.
Doors that open out with recessed hinges are difficult even for the swat team to knock down.
Also I have been meaning to wire my doorbell to a speaker that plays the sound of a pump shotgun chambering a cartridge. That should scare off anyone you don't know.

>>256221
Well yeah, anything's better than nothing. And you'll never see me volunteering to stand in front of a shotgun loaded with birdshot.

But, like you said, it's not made for the job. It's name says it all, it's meant for wee little birdies and some people just don't get that.

>>256225
Could always get a 10ga shotgun and custom load the shells.
I recall a metal cutting tool referred to as a "nibbler". It cut through steel by literally biting out pieces, and it left a pile of steel crescents behind it. I always thought those would make for some crazy shot loads or shrapnel.

Its from coolshityoucanbuy.com

>>255793
YOUR IN A FUCKING HOUSE

I'm from /k/ and i've gotta say a lot of the things in this thread made me never want to come back.

Not because you don't know what you're talking about, that would be fine. But you're acting like you do. And that worries me.

eval

This is now cp thread, guise get in here

>>256405
Are you kidding? Have you ever been to /k/? Every single thread over there is like this and full of ignorant bullshit.

>>256197
rly?

>>256234

I would say it depends on the size. Shooting someone with #9 birdshot? Might hurt them,wouldn't be pleasant. Shooting them with #2 birdshot? That might actually cause some serious damage.

>>256490
It depends entirely on the distance. In a house, you can shot them with rock salt and there's a chance it'll kill them.

>>254962
> And I back people out of the neighborhood.

hells yeah

I've always thought it would be cool to reinforce the deadbolt in your door to ensure that when it is kicked in it breaks through the frame. Then put an electronic trigger in the frame that when broken detonates the high explosives lining the inside of the door. Dead robber/swat team and you will definitely wake up.

>>256501
And for bonus points line the outward facing portion of the door with bearings for shrapnel, and the inside with a thicker sheet of metal to direct the blast outward.

>>256501
I always though tit would be fun to perforate the door somehow so when it got kicked in, it just tore at waist height. So its be like kicking in the bottom of a barn door, there would still be a topin place. Just for teh LULZ!!!

>>256647
>tit would be fun to perforate

gb2/guro/

>>256651
LMAO...yeahhhh typos, how do they work?

why would anyone break into your home?

unless your neighbors actively conduct surveillance on your residence...

It would be a stupid idea to just break into a random residence...

For all you know there can be a party going on inside...

bumping to read

ITT little to no handy advice on preventing home intrusions, warning and alarming of them, a lot of confronting the intrusion and advising on hardcore power of guns over wit,

not much to do here

I live in a rough neighborhood. We have a home security sign in the yard, NRA stickers on the door, and we periodically clean guns on the front porch. Since we keep out of our neighbors' business (gang related and otherwise), have a professional security system, own and maintain firearms, and are white, we have zero problems ourselves, though other people have been shot and killed on our block.

>>258950
>>258950

Just make it aware that you are protected. I've got several Glock stickers on my ride, my cleaning bench is in the garage, I clean guns and shit in the open. The three houses to my left were broken into, skipped mine, and robbed the one on the left, not me though.

My occupation + my protection.

/k/omman/diy/er

Get it!

>>255018
> Make sure no body is left behind

Including nogunz OP's shoulder

>>258950
>>258964

I'm a fashionable liberal hipster who rides a fixed gear to work, but even I have to admit:

it doesn't hurt being known as "the crazy white people down the street." Saved my biscuits plenty of times as atalented /diy/er

Everyone in the US, just FYI, traps are 100% illegal because they aren't intelligent.

Barbed wire/glass top of concrete walls are okay (I think).

>>258950
lolol i would love to see anyone do this in my neighborhood. they would get royally fucked up very quickly.

>>258950
>>258964
Niggers must be dumb. I'd wait till you went out and get me some free guns.

>>259308
You'd have to break down two walls and cut a 2x2 square of concrete out of a garage foundation before you could get a properly secured safe out of a house.

Would probably take you two hours of loud noises. You'd have to be sure the guy wasn't coming back and no one would call the popo

>>256231
This. Apparently aboriginals hid down the side of our house and bashed the drug dealers across the street. Planted a bougainvillea, no more black cunts.

Funnily enough, I move from shit area to shit area and have never been robbed. All you have to do is close your fucking blinds and burn the boxes of expensive shit you buy rather than put it in the trash.

>>254502
Caring about damage to a wall over your life

>>259397
Its about what's behind the wall. Innocent children in the next house etc. You're obviously not responsible enough to own a gun.

>>259405
What kind of shit tier walls do you have that you need to worry about this

>>259397
even disregarding the possibility of collateral damage to an innocent bystander, why even have the possibility of having to repair a wall when using buckshot is just as effective at such close range and won't bust out a window or put a 3 inch whole in the side of your house? You've obviously never had to pay for anything in your entire life.

>>259411
how's life in pretend land?

If you're going to go through the trouble of buying a shotgun and then loading it with slugs, why not just buy a handgun? it's cheaper and you can even take it with you to the liquor store

Crazy reading this. You americans live in a world of paranoia

>>259419

Not true. Vast chunks of the United States are still basically the Wild West, and thus the onus is upon the citizen to protect himself, rather than rely on police.

>>259430
Crazy, I would never have thought

>>259430
If that were true every other house would be a meth lab/ growing hydro/ brothel etc and America would be lot more fun.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3.htm

If it doesn't penetrate walls, it's not deadly enough. If you're using a shotgun, it doesn't spread appreciably within the range of a house. Shot or slug isn't a big difference

Sage, still retarded in here.

>>259430
Well, not so much that for many (US) people, though most rural people probably do own at least one gun.

>>259419
>Crazy reading this. You americans live in a world of paranoia
It's not really that either. It's just the attitude that I shouldn't NEED to suffer from an attacker, and then HOPE that the police can find them afterward.

I have a couple 9mm pistols mainly for home defense.
I hope I never have to use them--both for legal and personal reasons--but if someone tries to break in when I'm home and anybody is going to be critically injured or killed, then I don't think it should be me. If a robber broke into the cop's house and threatened the cop, the cop would shoot him too. [shrugging]

A gun also changes your attitude when you have to deal with shady characters that knock on the door in the middle of the night (I have elderly neighbors that sometimes need help, so yes, I do answer the door at 2 AM--but I have a 9mm pistol behind my back). It shows in the way you act and speak--because you aren't afraid, because you KNOW that whatever the other guy tries to do to you, you can do AT LEAST as much damage to him, if not more. SO if he gets that stupid, he has already lost. HE doesn't know it, and you might lose too--but you KNOW that he has already lost.

If you aren't afraid, they can pick up on that and they usually move-the-fuck-along quickly and nicely. They are looking for defenseless people who are afraid.

Guns are great for when your meaningless life gets a bit too much, but be sure to aim for your lower brainstem as sometimes facial bones deflect bullets.

>any advice on diy home defense?

get a gun
then practice practice practice

>>254514
>I suggest 00

If penetration of interior walls is a concern... there's a website out there where they test penetration of various bullet types, including 12-gauge shotgun shells. I believe (but it's been a while, I'm sure you can find it on Google to check my facts on this) that 00 still penetrated quite a few drywalls, and that the preferred shot for effectiveness without overpenetration of walls was something closer to #4.

But again, you'll want to look it up to confirm.

>>259443
Yeah, that was the website I was referring to above.

>Buy a trustworthy, durable handgun
>Learn to shoot accurately, and draw quickly.
>Practice shooting regularly at your local range
>Don't be a feg.

>>259419
As opposed to who?
The Egyptians, Syrians, Libyans, Any of the S. American Countries, Latin American Countries, Mexico, Any of the other Middle Eastern Countries, or your average European? Probably we just RECOGNIZE danger instead of pretending it doesnt exist.

>>260350
Not the anon you are replying to but...

Nigger what? All of these countries have real fucking danger and don't pretend that it doesn't exist. They keep low and to themselves, and hardly have anything that's worth getting stolen anyway. I lived in Mexico for 7 years and periodically visiting there since.

Meanwhile you're suburban ass is imagining up some danger.

>>260376

>Mexico
>Citizens can't own firearms
>Cartels rule the country

Yeah, sounds like a fuckin paradise, bro.

>Old lady gets stabbed to death in her own home down the street by the nigger next door for crack money
>Keep a shotgun by my bedside

Hurr, you're imagining danger. Niggers aren't known for breaking in and stealing your flatscreen!

>>259953
good luck getting a handgun permit in nyc.

>>260384
>implying implications

You are faggot. You have a higher chance of getting your shit pushed in then some nigger in the States.

Deal with it, and I lived in a couple of the worst cities in California.

>>260397
>Buttmad

So what exactly is getting you all cranky? Are you jealous that I have the money to afford such a hobby that's not only fun, but practical?

>worst cities in California

Oh. That. Go take your medical marijuana card and get yourself some weed. Sounds like you need to calm the fuck down and meditate about how fingery your fingers are. Silly libfag.