/diy/ - Do It Yourself

>>2550232
>Should I just get the Ryobi and buy into their battery ecosystem so I can buy their cheaper tools whenever I need to add something new to my collection?
Yes.

>>2550242
This was my initial thought because everything they make is so much cheaper. The Makita is kind of appealing because it comes with a large battery but it looks like a lot of their stuff is even more expensive than Dewalt or Milwaukee.

ryobi
t.makita 18v&40v user

>>2550232
I've noticed there's a lot more generic chink tools that take makita batteries than dewalt/milwaukee

ryobi is dumpster tier
any price is too high for ryobi
spend the 10 dollars now instead of later when you have to replace their shit tools because you're too invested in their battery platform

>>2550311
It isn’t about the $10 now, it’s about buying a circular saw or an angle grinder or a recip saw in the future that costs way more because it’s a Makita or a Milwaukee. I’m only using my tools for diy home stuff so I didn’t know if the super nice stuff was worth it.
>>2550304
What makes you say this?

>>2550315
>in the future
then wait for a sale, makeita had one a few months ago where you get like 8 tools and 2 batteries for 400

I bought 2 no-name cheap drills with the same battery for 30 bucks.

For the vast majority of DIY stuff, they're fine. I fucked up the chuck on one of them with high speeds and a blunt bit in stainless steel, and it definitely feels worse for wear after a few years of ownership compared with his buddy who is only rarely brought out when I need to do operations that are better with two, like drill pilot holes and then put screws in them without having to swap the bit every 5 seconds.

I'll never understand people who buy the "good" stuff. None of the batteries will fucking last anyway, all this stuff is designed to be disposable, and teardowns have shown that there's very little difference between the chink clones and the "official" stuff. If your business depends on it, buy the professional grade stuff, sure. If you're just putting up some fucking shelves? Buy cheap. I've still got a 40 year old 1600W hammer drill I pull out if I need to drill 10mm holes in masonry for an hour. Buy cheap, buy two, because then you've always got a spare battery or a spare drill.

unless you're literally a mom-tier diyer isn't going to cut it

>>2550318
This may be a good idea desu. The main project I want to work on won’t get started until like April.
However I was under the impression that most of those tool packs have shittier tools in them (older brushless models and such). I only currently want a drill, a circular saw, an angle grinder, and maybe an impact. Do they make smaller tool packs with better tools?

unless you're literally a mom-tier diyer ryobi and that whole price tier isn't going to cut it

>>2550323
home depot and lowe's constantly have different quantity packs going in and out of sale every week, sometimes even in their "deal of the day" section

>>2550321
I’ve always been a proponent of the “buy once cry once” philosophy. Even if I don’t technically NEED a super nice tool it’s better in my opinion to get something nicer so I won’t have to replace it or use a shitty tool because I’m too stubborn to replace it once it starts acting up.

>>2550326
So just keep an eye on the website and buy then the opportunity comes up. Got it.

>>2550329
Li-ion tools destroy this philosophy. You'll buy once, you'll buy again in 10 years, repeat until you're dead.

One drill isn't enough, either way. Neither is one battery. You will run out of juice, you will wish you had a second one so you didn't need to keep switching bits. Save your money, and spend it on a nice tool that doesn't have a built in lifespan.

>>2550333
>You'll buy once, you'll buy again in 10 years, repeat until you're dead.
>spend it on a nice tool that doesn't have a built in lifespan.
huh

>>2550333
>thinking they last 10 years id you actually use them
lel
Batteries literally have a shelf life

>>2550393
I'm assuming DIY use, so the odd project with maybe a dozen charge cycles a year.

>>2550247
Ryobi also has the brushless HP tools, so you could get those for tools like drills and saws that you will use every weekend, and then get the budget brushed $70 version of the tools you will only use like once a year as a weekend warrior instead of the $150+ Makita.

Ryobi is the best all around DIYer brand, huge selection and 2x 4.0 batteries for $79 like half the year.

Milwaukee is a more expensive but that’s best for mechanics and electricians who want the best option of new tools for their trades.

DeWalt is probably the most affordable of the big pro brands, they’re available at tons of retailers and always have sales. The DeWalt Atomic kits have been real cheap lately, but those 1.3Ah batteries won’t last long with saws or heavy drilling.

Makita is for Japan fanbois and boomers who remember when Makita was like the only option for a cordless drill. They’re good tools but no real objective reason to buy them over the others. They tend to be more expensive than DeWalt without the trade tools of Milwaukee.

Bosch 18V is like Makita but worse, good tools but limited linup and very few sold in-store.

Ridgid and Kobalt are store brands and will give you DeWalt performance for a few bucks less, but their selection of tools isn’t as large as the other brands.

Nu-Craftsman V20 or Porter Cable 20V are DIY tier tools like Ryobi, but their selections are shittt compared to Ryobi 18V. Skil 20V is sort of the same.

>>2550333
>>2550401
Wew lad, spending $100 or less on a pair of batteries every 5-10 years… Or pay an extra $10 over a bare tool for a battery and charger!

I guess I will keep tripping over extension cords.

>>2550412
I second Ryobi for the selection. However depending on anon's needs anon may need more than 1 platform. Makita is for japan fanbois but have a couple knockout items if you need a cup of coffee/tea/ramen and are off-grid. I have jobsites with no power and brewing a cup there is amazing. Their sub-compact line is the best if you really have no space to store tools. Some of Bosch's new high end stuff is very forgiving on my hands/wrists, cyclone shop vac is a beast, but their low end is not worth it. Nu-craftsman is crappy with 1 exception...the 3/8" impact wrench is tiny and powerful enough to get rusty lug nuts off.

If you go battery adapters to cross brands for the best tool note Ridgid and Ryobi put the battery protection in the battery (ryobi to X adapters have to be made on your own and are tricky), makita kinda does but the cutoff is too low, don't recommend. Everyone else puts protection in the tool (watch battery meter like a hawk, you are the safety or else you can kill batteries).

>>2550414
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4014450
This is a lifesaver for my ryobi batteries. Locks two of them together. PITA to print though but worth it.

>>2550414
batteries are gay
all batteries, even the car battery I carry around to power a 12 volt air compressor, are gay
>This nigga lookin' ZESTY, this nigga lookin' MOIST, he's got sugar in his tank, he's light on his feet, he's a lil bit fruity, he plays for the other team, he dances at the other end of the ballroom, this nigga theatrical, this nigga good with colors, this nigga gonna coordinate yo curtains wit you cushions and that shit gonna look good! This nigga lifts shirts, this nigga on the down low, this nigga be a toilet trader, this nigga gardens uphill, this nigga packs fudge
that is every battery
I only use a battery for a 12 volt air compressor when I use one of my wheelbarrows to move cabbages
>all 4 of the wheelbarrows will need air put in the tire
I won't miss the day to get those new Sunday cabbages

Makita has the best color

>>2550414
Admitting that you bought into a subscription service, ending up with redundant tools that no longer function until you re-up and buy more redundant tools isnt the flex you think it is.

Everyone else on this board is buying Milling Machines and Lathes and Planers and Jointers and Brakes and Welders and Bandsaws and Plasma Cutters.
You are buying a bunch of shitty batteries and hand drills and bragging about it.

>>2550412
We have both a makita and a ryobi cordless drills at work. Guess which one looks like it belongs to the dumpster even though it is a bit newer?
Both still work though so there's that.

>>2550640
I don’t think anybody is buying an 18V lathe right now. But if you’re dragging an extension cord around to drive screws with an old ass drill instead of using a modern cordless impact driver, you might just be retarded.

>>2550643
Nobody ever said lime green is the most aesthetic color.

>>2550232
>Should I just get the Ryobi and buy into their battery ecosystem
If you don't mind that it's Chinese. I only have a corded chainsaw from them but so far I'm satisfied with it. btw Ryobi has the same owner as Milwaukee

>>2550734
It’s hard to buy non-Chinese consumer electronics. Even the DeWalt “Assembled in USA” is all Chinese components slapped together by Maria and Jose.

dewalt > milwaukee > makita > dogshit > ryobi

Damn is Ryobi really that bad when it comes to consumer-grade shit? I like the nicer shit but it gets to a point where getting more expensive tools for occasional household chores seems excessive.

>>2550707
>But if you’re dragging an extension cord around to drive screws with an old ass drill instead of using a modern cordless impact driver, you might just be retarded.
I love that the pinnacle of fabrication in your mind is driving a handful of screws into rough lumber.
The most boring and low level of /diy/, stuff that mobile tradies do all day long. The same tradies that buy one color and stay with one color without thinking about it, because they use and replace them often.
Makes sense though, you need to come up with SOME cope as to why you keep buying redundant and banal tools that actual skilled people dont pay attention to.

Weve seen the minimal amount of "woodworking" (if you can call it that) you have done, the cordless tools didnt help you out any.

>>2550793
No, the people who use Ryobi and other tools give their experiences and say it’s plenty fine for DIYers. The people who shit on ryobi compare it to dog poop and don’t give any real criticisms.

I had DeWalt before, now have Ridgid and have more recently gotten some Ryobi. The cheaper brushed stuff is affordable and great for a few jobs a year and the HP brushless stuff for heavier use. The cheap stuff doesn’t have all of the features of Milwaukee Fuel, but it’s 1/4 to 1/3 the price and not falling apart after one or two used like random ebay chinese brands.

>>2550793
Its perfectly fine as "consumer grade" stuff when it has a workload of only being used twice a year.
When its mostly just picked up and fondled but not used, itll last you a long time. Just ask any ryobi fan.

People greatly overestimate how useful these basic bitch tools are, so dont waste your money on anything more.
You are going to drive 40 screws, make 10 cuts, and put together a shitty workbench. Then all those tools you bought sit for 8 months, because you arent building anymore workbenches, and "occasional household chores" dont really exist.
Real homeowners arent actually just fixing and repairing stuff all the time.
Unless you are doing a house remodel, you arent actually using those tools. (and if you are, youll be lucky if they survive it) It was marketing wank to get you to buy a shitty 10 tool pack.

Consider that you can use battery adapters to run Ryobi tools, as long as your batteries or tools aren't too smart. You wouldn't want a drill on a battery adapter since it's an item you use often and the bulky adapter gets in the way, but for example I use Ryobi gardening tools with Makita batteries and that works just fine.
Burgers also get really good sales on any platform, so you're usually not overpaying too much for the better quality gear. Ryobi isn't that bad, especially for /diy/ use, but if you're not strapped for cash, it's probably better to just get the big brand and use battery adapters for the odd tool.

>>2550807
I'll never understand why people buy "real" tools for basic shit.

I'm of the opinion that you should generally buy cheap. For stuff that isn't consumable, look at second hand stuff, I've got a lot of very nice tools that cost me next to nothing or I got free from relatives because I asked them if they had a box full of old shit they weren't using. My drills were 15 bucks each, and they run fine on 14V. They've been fine for years, with light use drilling 10mm holes in steel plate and general woodwork. If I was planning on doing large scale construction, maybe I'd buy something better, but it's not like I'm getting oval holes. People seem to think all the cheap chink stuff is just total junk and will fall apart if you look at it wrong, but this is a mature market, it's hard to fuck up any more than any of the big guys.

>>2550825
Literally NOBODY buys battery adapters, im not sure why some retard mentions it in every thread.
Its more cumbersome than using corded tools.

>>2550837
>Literally NOBODY buys battery adapters
Yeah because people are retards like Bepis and rather buy into 5 different battery platforms because that's totally convenient.

>>2550852
>people acting like there are enough cordless tools worth buying, that youll end up buying 5 different brands
Once you own a Drill and an Impact Driver, the cordless gimmick becomes far less important and as your tools get bigger become a detriment.

I went to the Depot and the Makita felt the best in my hand. Surprisingly the Rigid was the second best. I wanted to like the Milwaukee more because of the metal chuck but it just felt okay.

>>2550232
>battery ecosystem
I don't know why people get all turned up about this. I have dewalt, ryobi, ridgid, and milwaukee. the inability to put a ridgid battery on a milwaukee doesn't really matter, since that battery already fits the ridgid. yes it's nice if they're all the same, but it's really not a show-stopper if it's just your own tools. there's no 1 brand that makes everything

>>2550837
This. Also it’s probably not a good idea to use on any high demand tools. Could be very easy to damage batteries and/or tools depending on the protection circuit setup, plus you’re never going to get the extra power from HP/HO/MAX packs on those tools.

>>2550852
I do not own a battery adapter because I’m not that retarded. I am quite retarded, but I’m a savvy consoomer. Also I’m good without adapters because it would be retarded to try and get an adapter so I could take the Ryobi batteries for my OPE stuff and stick them on the Ridgid drills and saws and impacts.

>>2550974
The one thing a lot of people compliment the orange brand on is their hex grip design. Read reviews from the gay tool blogs and the authors often mention that it’s their favorite of all the brands. Ribbed for her pleasure.

>>2550232
I'm a Milwaukee simp & their quality &reliability is TYPICALLY top tier. I dunno a lot about Makita but it's allegedly the other big boy brand tradies fawn over. THAT BEING SAID, if your just some normie who needs a drill or a circular saw every so often but doesn't DIY or do trades regularly, ryobi is perfectly fine for normie stuff given the price. my first set of tools was ryobi & I remodeled 2 houses & my dad built a deck with them & they worked fine while we had em.

for a difference of 10 dollars though go for Milwaukee or Makita. The quality & longevity you get our of these brands is WELL worth the price of a shitty hamburger

I ended up getting the Makita drill/driver because it felt the best. I’ll probably get the impact with the next paycheck. Thanks for the advice bros.

>>2550232
get a makita, never had a problem with them.

>>2550984
you can now buy adapters for almost any manufacturer, to almost any other manufacturer.

>>2550837
literally they do.
I have a adapter that allows me to use makita batteries on a dewalt grinder.

I also built an adapter that lets me use a makita battery on an old pip cutter that they only make nicad batteries for.

>>2551000
>Could be very easy to damage batteries and/or tools depending on the protection circuit setup
bullshit, the only company I know of that has a battery protection circuit is makita and it doesn't matter what it is hooked up to the circuit is in the battery.

the dewalt has a pin on it that plugs in to an extra slot on their batteries, all it does is check for a specific voltage. the adapter accounts for this.

the only reason I have the adapters is I go the tools for free, and didn't want to spend money on more than one type of battery.

someone gave me a whole set of cordless tools from skil.
no batteries.
I didn't want to buy a bunch of nicad batteries so I made an adapter for them to use my makita batteries.

I also have and adapter I made to run some of my cordless tools with a power supply I built.

i think of the three Milwaukee has the better quality and from experience very good ingress protection. That said, Makita is a good price/quality trade-off for home use, It's used in the trades mainly by carpenters.

>>2554107
And turn ergonomic tools into horribly awkward tools.

>>2554110
>pic related
>6 contacts
Breh, it’s more than “a pin to check for a specific voltage”

Enjoy overheating battery packs because your chink adapter tricks the temp sensor on the tool or losing a bunch of power on other high performance tools that can’t sense a good battery pack on there.

I use Makita 18v tools and Milwaukee 12v tools. Both brands offer perfectly good equipment, however, in my opinion Makita tools feel more refined and precise in use. Basically get whichever one your local store stocks so you don’t have to wait around on the UPS guy. I don’t live near a Home Depot anymore so it’s a bitch to go get a new Mak/Mil tool or battery when I need one.

>>2554586
Addendum: I am a heavy duty truck/bus mechanic and I use my tools every day.

>>2550232

Company makes good product -> Product gets popular and known for quality -> Corporation wants more money, begins cutting corners on materials, focus/innovation, and manufacturing, taking advantage of its reputation -> Retards, in love with a brand name (fucking kek) defend the team color of which ever hand saw they've formed a tribal relationship with while the corporation that makes it laughs to the bank -> Rinse, repeat.

I genuinely can't think of anything more gay than arguing to defend companies that decided to fuck you in the ass years ago.

>>2554348
Why are you so dumb? You bought every cordless tool brand under the sun and you didn't notice that the vast majority of them don't communicate with the battery?

Electrician here.Can't go wrong with either Makita or Milwaukee. I used to go with Milwaukee brushed impacts with the small batteries from home depot. Good value, but not so pricey that I worried about then disappearing from a commercial jobsite. They would usually give after a year of daily use.

What sold me on makita was dropping one of their impacts 12 feet onto concrete and it still working.

Milwaukee has a better design for how their batteries secure with two tabs vs makitas single tab. Makita battery tabs can snap off if dropped and then you have a brick you have to tape to the drill, but for the tools themselves, the makita feels more durable.

Dewalt feel clunky and plastic-y to me, but you will fit in better on a jobsite with them.

Most tools you buy don't have a tool only option. Every time You buy a new ryobi tool you're usually going to get a battery and charger with it. Being forced into a single battery platform is a meme.

>>2557572
Really? Where are you shopping? It’s far more common to find the tool only, especially in store. The Ryobi yard tools are one of the few where lots or tools are offered as a kit.

Online is different, many more kits, but the majority is still bare tools and there’s not much offered as a kit only. Although I would rather spend $10 more to get the kit with a battery or two extra.

You can adapt any battery platform to a ryobi. But not the other way around because of the battery dildo.

However milwaulkees adapt the best because of the built in battery management.