/diy/ - Do It Yourself

there's much better but it's not bad for the price.

>>2506375
Yes extremely bad
Did you know that the CEO and Owner of the company takes a paycheck?
He makes a LOT of money.
And did you know they took out loans to build more stores?
Rapid expansion.

This is late stage capitalism at its absolute WORST!

Anything small that you don't use on a daily basis is usually the cheapest at harbor freight. I don't use 36" bar clamps very often so their 8$ clamps that work decent are much more affordable than lowes 17$ Irwin or Home Depots 21$ Dewalt clamps.

No, but it's not snap on. You can't abuse those tools like you can snap on tools. They work well for their intended usage.

>>2506375
harbor freight used to be a clearing house for shit cheap garbage tools.

but now many of their tools are on par with "brand name". they offer warranties on some tools the same as craftsman and snap on.

>>2506380
>>2506528
>lifetime warranty on shitty tools from a store that will be defunct due to Amazon and shady business practices soon enough

>>2506436
I've used Snap-On for 30 years now, and I was extremely impressed when I was a teenager, but the cost and lack of accesibility to warranty unless you work in a shop or somewhere a Snap-On truck stops makes it more worthwhile to stock two or three HF versions for breakage than a single Snap-On. I'm dreading when the rest of my Snap-On tools break. I don't know where to get to a damn truck. Additionally, they resist just warrantying tools, because Snap-On doesn't pay them for it. They just give them credit on their order, so newer, struggling Snap-On guys hate it when some jackoff brings warranty tools and purchases nothing. I've had Snap-On assholes tell me to go somewhere else. They claim I'm not in their region unless I work at a shop on the route.

>>2506528
Craftsman is all but completely defunct. I wouldn't buy Craftsman now for any reason.
I have their Hercules 12" sliding compound miter saw, and it's every bit as good as the equivalent DeWalt or Makita, but 1/3 the price, if you get it on sale. Been using it for 3-4 years and it still looks and works like new. Only complaint is the cheap plastic top handle. Don't carry it by that.

>>2506567
If you are looking for a table saw on a very cheap budget then Craftsmans tablesaw is quite a bit better than Harbor Freights comparably priced table saw.

I wouldn’t have a craftsman tool stuck in my ass
The ratchets are total shit. Harbor Freight sucked people in and slowly increased prices without notice. Start comparing. I bought a better , heavier 5 drawer tool cart from Home Depot that was cheaper than hfs 3 drawer.

>>2506654
I bought a Hart 36" 6 drawer and 36" 4 drawer tool chest for under 200$ each as they became discontinued. I know it's Walmart but the quality is way better than their garbage hyper tough carts.

>>2506553
started in 1977 going out of business "any day now".

>>2506654
>increased prices without notice
as the prices increased so did the quality...
Weird!

>>2506375
I worked in aviation and when I started could not afford snapon, mac, or whatever other over priced tools.

I bought many "cheap" air tools and it's been 30 years I still have all those tools and all of them work fine.

>>2506375
Harbor Freight as great as long as you go into it with the full awareness that you usually get what you pay for. They have cheap shit that isn't as good as other brands and won't hold up to heavy use, but most people don't need great stuff that will hold up to heavy use.

>>2506698
Well you see, they are going out of business because their new owner took an unprofitable business and started making huge profits, turning the brand image around, and expanded the store to states they didn’t serve before.
Sounds like a death rattle to me!

>>2506553
Aye Komrade
We shall seize the production from the capitalists at harbor freight and take them to the gallows!

>>2506661
HART is part of TTI (Techtronic Industries) which owns:
MILWAUKEE
AEG
RYOBI
HOMELITE
EMPIRE
IMPERIAL BLADES
STILETTO
KANGO
HART
HOOVER
ORECK
VAX
DIRT DEVIL

https://www.ttigroup.com/

>>2506375
They have alot of great stuff, some things are lesser in quality of course. I buy tarps, hardware, paint brushes, nitrile gloves, batteries, etc & have a Bauer angle grinder that has gone through some beatings but powers on.

All of my ACTUAL hand tools and power tools are Milwaukee & DEWALT.

>>2506698
And expanded at a reasonable rate with the normal founder before Amazon Prime existed.

The rest of us remember when the parking lot sales were a big deal, now the stores are so quiet on weekends.

>>2506734
Nah, they don’t need our help. They will hang themselves with the rope they bought from Amazon.

>>2506763
Your point being?

Also I doubt Hart tool chests and hammers are coming from the same factory that makes the motors for all those TTI drills and vacuums.

>>2506784
My point is merely informative, nothing more/less.
Kinda of like a btw or "fun fact"

Manufacturing facilities for TTI may be found in China but are also spread across Vietnam and the United States as well as Mexico and Europe. The company’s headquarters are in Hong Kong.
Usually the tool's packaging will reveal its manufacturing location.

There are some things, like tarps, that are exactly the same manufacturer as all the other sources I can find, for a better price.

Otherwise, I don't shop there much... anymore.
Their pressure washer was worth the cost, and the backpack sprayer.

Every dollar I give them makes me feel like I am selling a tiny scrap of what remains of my soul... and I am cheating on my girlfriend with a cheap floozy.

>>2506839
>Every dollar I give them makes me feel like I am selling a tiny scrap of what remains of my soul... and I am cheating on my girlfriend with a cheap floozy.

kek

>>2506647
I have a decent table saw.
For everyone born in the 1990s, Craftsman was a brand that rose to prominence because 1. they had a store to return tools to - sears. and 2. ...that was it. That was their selling factor. Lifetime warranty at a store you already go to.
Sears is dead. Craftsman is a brand kept alive by chinese profiteers. If they make a decent tool, it's accidental or stolen from another manufacturer.

>>2506703
I have shitty air tools that are more embarrassing to use than they are garbage to use. They're right next to my $500 Snap-On air hammer that doesn't work at all.

>>2506784
>Also I doubt Hart tool chests and hammers are coming from the same factory that makes the motors for all those TTI drills and vacuums.
Same factory. All American workers, well-paid with extravagant benefits and union protections. Hahahaha Just kidding. It's all made by little chinese kids working 20 hour shifts.

>>2506894
there is nothing different from 90s craftsman and today desu - s/sears/lowes/. that's it. they always outsourced production to other manufacturers.

>>2506553
What shady business practices have Harbor Freight done?
You say it a lot, but youve never given a single example.

>>2506375
It's fine for most things, great for most consumables. The Japanese saw and flush cut saw are the best deal in the world. Forgot your good drill bits in your other toolbox? No fuckin problem, here's a whole pack of them for $6. Missing your 11mm socket? Who cares, here's a whole backup metric set, also $6

I don't buy tools requiring precision from them, but a grinding wheel is just a piece of stone bolted to a generic electric motor, so who cares? Just don't invest in their battery platform and most things that should be sharp should be assumed to be dull or chowdered (including those cheap ass drill bits)

>precision
HF bad
>durability
wild disparity between product types
>cost
literally nothing is cheaper

>>2506897
Yeah still probably different Chinese kits making the Hart wrenches than the Chinese kids putting motors in Ryobi cases

>>2506929
If Netflix doesn’t bomb first, they will probably have a doc about it eventually. Eric Jr banking fat salaries as the company’s footprint grows with all of these new store but so much debt. I feel strange being in Harbor Freight stores these days because there’s more employees than customers since they had their makeover.

Enjoy your Lynx yard tools!

>>2506937
>Eric Jr banking fat salaries as the company’s footprint grows with all of these new store but so much debt.
So their only "shady business practice" was that the owner of a company takes a paycheck, while using a short term business loan to grow his company?
Remember last time you whined about "major loans" just for people to show you that the loans are literally paid off in full as of 2 year ago?
Do you think people will forget, or that history will somehow rewrite itself?

There is no major debt like you are clamoring on about, the stores have already paid for themselves.
And it seems like there is no shady business practices either, you literally couldnt even come up with a single thing other than "owner of company that made 5.1billion dollars in 2021 takes paycheck"

SAD!

>>2506942
>Hey guys buy some FTX coins!!!

>>2506943
I accept your concession

>>2506945
Enron reported some fat earnings too.

>>2506375
no.
10 years ago, yes
they have upt their game significantly. i used to never buy anything electronic from them because it was utter shit, now its fucking fantastic.

>>2506946
>i dont know the difference between a privately owned company vs a publically traded company
>i dont know the difference between a retail brick and mortar store vs a company selling futures in a ponzi scheme before regulation or a company selling speculative fake internet money in a ponzi scheme

Then again you cant figure out why 20 dudes spending a $1.50 on something, and walking out with a free tape measure that costs $1 is a worse business model than 1 dude buying a single icon wrench set that has a $40 profit margin on it.

>>2506375
Their Icon shit is good actually

>>2506763
Quit being autistic.

>>2506375
I'm not a boomer, so I don't neccesarily go for the cheapest chinkshit available.

That being said, their cheap, corded drills are superior in one particular case- powering a nylon rotary or wire brush. The cheapest drills are the fastest drills, and you usually want 3000 RPM for brushing.

And their ratcheting bar clamps are pretty decent. It's not like anyone else- Jorgensen, Bessey, et al- makes a good one.

I worked for them for a little while. (Don't recommend that at all.) Most of the day I spent taking returns for broken shit. If you must, pay for the service plan. If you need a tool once, go for it. If you use it often, there are cheaper and better products. The icon line are ok, gear wrench quality kinda, but gear wrench is cheaper and also has a lifetime warranty.

>>2506957
>losing 90% of your customers is good business
Ahh, so that’s why they expanded so fast!

I like their ammo cans. And very cheap parts organizers. And flagpole. Hmm I've given them a lot of money since they opened one near me.

>>2507028
They lost "customers" who came in strictly for loss leader products, and didnt actually generate revenue. So yes, losing those customers means literally nothing.

Regular customers that were already buying their more expensive products didnt leave, they jumped in head first and bought the fuck out of Doyle and Bauer and Quinn immediately.

This business model change was over a decade ago. And its astounding success is why they expanded so fast.
The numbers dont lie.

You getting asshurt and boycotting that coupons and freebies went away didnt hurt the business one bit, its generating more profit every single year.

>>2506375
Nah I buy a lot of stuff there. I do go for higher quality power tools like drills and saws but I did buy the Chicago 4.5 and 7 inch grinders. Those fuckers just won’t die. I like their tool boxes too and the Predator generator I bought (after reading all the reviews) has been great.

>>2506910
And how does Lowe's respond to Craftsman returns? Las time I tried, I was given a fucking address to mail the shit to.

>>2506937
>Yeah still probably different Chinese kits
Hahaha. They're all the same to me.

>>2506375
no
its fucking amazing

>>2507146
>And very cheap parts organizers
Amazon and Walmart wanted twice the price for the same shit.

>>2507272
hand tools are fine, even ace hardware accepts warranty on hand tools same day. have warrantied a bunch of craftsman stuff at both stores
any powered tool generally has to be shipped to you but they also dont have lifetime warranties so it has to be processed through SBD corporate and not just the local lowes. SBD corporate doesnt want hank at the counter giving bob a free drill because the plastic faded a day before the warranty expires

>>2506654
>Harbor Freight sucked people in and slowly increased prices without notice.
This is my biggest complaint about them. A lot of their stuff anymore costs as much as name brand shit.

>>2506654
>Harbor Freight sucked people in

Too bad they didn't suck people off... Can you imagine the kind of blowie/handy you could get from the HF cashier with her nicotine stained fingernails and no teeth?

Bros... Is my icon flex head ratchet supposed to be this loose? It's almost impossible to use. I tightened the star bit but it doesn't actually tighten that function of the ratchet

>>2507393
>gum job with a transdermal nicotine buzz
Sounds lovely

>>2506654
>slowly increased prices without notice
No, it wasnt a slow increase in price, it was an overnight increase to match the market
The cost of chinese labor has greatly risen in the last 10 years (turns out no millenial chink wants to work in a factory)
Trump put in chinese tariffs 6 years ago
China forced people into their homes and welded their doors shut for Covid for almost a year.

The tariffs hurt HF, its clear when looking at the HF coupon website that tracks prices.

People dont realize that Harbor Freight in the 90s didnt even have their own brand tools.
They sold Dewalt and Porter Cable and Ryobi alongside generic no name tools. But they mostly sold name brand tools.

It wasnt until the mid 00s that Central Pneumatic and US General and all the harbor freight brands you know even started to exist.
And they STILL sold alongside real brands like Delta and Dewalt
The coupons had always existed, but it was early 10s when the 20% coupon was ALWAYS available. It was a rare thing until then.

What people also dont seem to realize is that... their 4-1/2" angle grinder cost $20 back in 1999
The 44" US General toolbox cost $460 when it was introduced in 2002
The aluminum US General racing jack? $79.99

They had kept the same prices for the majority of their tools long term, some cases for over 20 years.
Thats why they continued to slowly cut corners and decrease their own costs making their tools shittier and shittier, which is why they are known as the king of garbage ass tools.

I bet their grinder in 1999 was probably a million times better than the $15 one today.

Eventually something has to break, and their race to the bottom wasnt ever going to last long term.
They ripped the bandaid off after the tariffs, but they were lucky enough to have introduced decent brands on par with other hardware store house brands quality and price.
If they had stuck with only cheap tools and freebies, the store would have 100% collapsed in 2020

>>2507539

https://web.archive.org/web/19971016084527/http://www.harborfreight.com/

Here is the web archive of Harbor Freight
Post screencaps of interesting or stupid shit from old harbor freight

>>2507394
Trade it in for warranty

>>2507376
>SBD corporate doesnt want hank at the counter giving bob a free drill because the plastic faded a day before the warranty expires
....? How did they get Sears to not do that?

>>2506763
Oh shit. not the dirt devil.
That's my week ruined.

>>2506999
in 30+ years of buying tools from them I have yet to have to return one.

I had one of their $9 grinders crap out. took it apart and found that the cord had a broken wire outside of the strain relief. fixed it and it still works.

>>2506375
their tools look okay
we don't have that here in canada
we have princess auto which is said to be similar
my 15 year old car wouldn't be running new without tools from stores like this.

>>2506647
Shop around and get a used one with a nice heavy table.

>>2506375
They stock niche stuff, not of great quality, but when you need a bearing puller at 7pm on a Sunday in a podunk town, they have it.

As one who has owned both HF and Kennedy (2018) toolboxes, the HF box is much higher quality and would undoubtedly honor the warranty if need-be. 1/4 the price too. I'm guessing some boomer banker type bought Kennedy to trade reputation for a quick buck? "Made in USA" seems most often to be a warning.

>>2508315
Kennedy were not rugged, just popular with machinists etc in the early days. They're meh in 2022.

Lista is still genuinely high end.

I buy HF boxes for myself and also have (used) Lista, Mac, old Kennedy, old Craftsman (not very good) etc.

Many mechanics buy HF boxes because you can replace them several times over if needed and rarely need to for the cost of high end gear.

>>2506380
You know that the ceo of harbor freight contributes to democrats ?

>>2507326
my only complaint is that the drawers of the ones on the left are a bit annoying to pull out. They get stuck in their own holes.

Haterz gon' hate but the truth is:

HF has stepped up their game in following areas:

1. Welders
-The Vulcan and Titanium lines are equal to or better than Lincoln/miller etc. no question. I have the Vulcan omni 220- it's an amazing welder for the price.
2. There are tools there you simply cant go an buy ANYWHERE else. Need a bearing puller or ball joint press on a sunday? There is only ONE place you can get it...
3. their 4" grinding wheels are alot cheaper LIke 60% cheapr sometimes than homeless despot "Diablo" brands and they work better.
4. I have the "Bauer" (ooohh manly german name!!) 1 1/8" jack hammer. It works well, and I have abused the heck out of it.
5.The good stuff is coming from Taiwan, bikes, welders, knives (cold steel for example) not China.
6. Where else you gonna get a chain hoist, or a gantry crane, hydraulic bottle jacks (i have a HF bottle jack that's 20 years old works great. None of my HF floor jacks have failed- some off brand I bought at costco lasted only a few years of light use.

HF CEO is a darling of the Calabasas leftist crowd, but he's a realist, he has to the Demoncrats off or they wont let him build more stores.

I buy alot of specialty shit there. Stuff that usually isn't anywhere else. Have had many of their handtools and power tools over the years. None broke unless I was being abusive.

>>2508355
Maybe it's on purpose. Is it lift up and pull kind of a thing?

>>2508764
it happens because the little trays are free-floating in the tower structure, and the left, right, and upper edges of each compartment in the tower is actually a little lip. So, if you don't pull straight out on the tray, it gets caught on the lip

I've learned to just not push them back in all the way which alleviates the problem for the most part

>>2508723
>The Vulcan and Titanium lines are equal to or better than Lincoln/miller etc. no question.

Which Lincolns and which Millers? Those are primarily industrial welding equipment manufacturers.

>>2506894
>Craftsman

Owned by Stanley Blackand Decker, a US company based out of Hartford, CT.

>>2506375
Depends, you have to know what to look for and what you are trying to do.
I have found that there is a lot of truth to the idea of buying a cheap tool at harbor freight and then buying a nicer one once it breaks.
It may seem dumb (I thought so at first) given you could just buy the nicer tool to start with, but for people starting out it works well as it is harder to gauge what tools you really need vs what you think you need. If you use the tool infrequently in low stress then a harbor freight will often get the job done and save you money. But if you use the tool often under high stress then the harbor freight will likely break and then you'll know you needed it badly enough to buy the nicer one

flashlights that died in days
pliers, sorted through the bin to find the one that had the best joint alignment as some were bad and other not so much, works well enough for the price
screwdrivers that were nice, but the tips was slightly thicker then other tip heads so it didn't fit most of my screws, successfully repurposed to poking, stabbing and whacking tool for those times you just need a metal stick
hercules oscillating tool, I love this thing it has been working great for over a year
hercules heat gun, screen is glitching out after completing job I bought it for so now I can't read the settings but I can still use it by feel as good as most heat guns
some knock off X-ACTO knife set, I fear for my safety given low quality and shouldn't have got it but it did work for the job I got it for
every drill bit and blade* I have got has been garbage, so I use them for things that might hurt my nice set (*although the carbide metal cutting blade isn't bad)
moving blankets are cheap and will rip, but work great as bordering on disposables that get the job done so I still buy them for some things
heavy Chicago Electric 9 Amp drill, used it a few times as thin-set mixer to cut costs seems to be holding up but trigger is flimsy

>>2509188
>sorted through the bin
this is a key point that lots of people don't get, in many cases the only difference between a hand tool or parts from HF and a "better" name brand is that the "better" brand inspects for closer tolerances and other quality standards *before* the item goes on the shelf, and that extra cost is passed on. Or they may pay for extra finishing steps you can diy.
Otherwise the run of pliers or screwdrivers or hammers that Stanley gets from the ShangYeng People's Ferrous Metals and Baby Formula Factory may have just as many shit examples in it as the one HF gets from the same place.

Example: last time I was there they had no name aluminum 7" speed squares for $1.99...only thing wrong g with them as-is was that there was flash remaining in the various pencil notches/holes and on one side where sprues and relief holes from the casting process left residue that might scratch or hang up on material.
Three minutes with a utility knife and a file and it's as good as any other for what it's made for, for 20% of the price
There *were* others in the box with bad castings with obvious voids, just don't pick them.
As for hidden voids and other defects in tools where that really matters, the "better" ones have them too, they just replace them and charge a little extra on every unit to cover that cost whether it happens or not.
When you figure in the time and hassle to get that replacement from someone like Stanley (that wants reciepts and a written essay on what you were doing with it and pictures of the piece/material you were working on) it's often cheaper to just go buy another one at HF.

Don't want to make a thread for this question

How do I call this tool in english?

decent entry level affordable boxes
ICON line is the same as most mid-tier taiwan tools
everything else is always a gamble
even the consumables from hobo freight are trash because you could buy 1 for the 3 you burn out in the same time

>>2509309
dremel

>>2509188
>moving blankets are cheap and will rip, but work great as bordering on disposables that get the job done so I still buy them for some things

Not "bordering on", they're made with a spun bonded "fabric" that even kept out of the sun will completely disintegrate to a blue powder inside of a couple of years, exposing that rag pad made from god knows what stuff they can't use to make onions sauce or baby food.
If you get them on sale or with a coupon they're cheaper than buying new foam or bubble wrap, but that's kind of the point...even the cheap foam sheeting doesn't fall apart like that out in the sun.

>>2509309
Brand name people will recognize: Dremel Tool
Actual name: Rotary Tool

>>2509309
If you want the larger version, it’s a Die Grinder

>>2509309
Maybe irrelevant but picrel is a piece of weak crap.

>>2509343

>>2509407

>>2506380
oh no!

>>2509305
I noticed this when I went there for a blow gun. They had the Central Pneumatic gun for like $5 or the new “Best” Merlin for closer to $15. The only difference was the Merlin was polished and the cheap one was bare metal.

And because HF is trash, they get rid of more and more of their cheap stuff and you’re only left with the expensive options. And for that price, there’s no reason not to go to Home Depot and get Husky for the same price as the “Better” or grab Milwaukee or Gearwrench for the same or less money as HF’s “Best”.

>>2506375
my hazard fraught tools work great, but that's mostly because i made sure to get shit that's not really "functional" with moving parts. their deadblow hammer is great, i pound shit constantly with it and it's held up even to metal chips and shit. the wrenches are fine but i never use them, their telescoping gages are surprisingly robust for the price, their tool chests work fine, feeler gauges are accurate to a couple tenths or better. i can't attest to any of their power tools except for a corded angle grinder i got for like $10 that has held up well to very intermittent use.

>>2506375
They're great if you wanna use it in a shop setting or for a hobby. But I wouldn't use them on jobs that make you money. I have some ryobi nail guns in the truck but I still have nice pneumatics to back them up. I'm surprised I see harbor freight stuff on HGTV shows my wife makes me watch. Guess their budgets are as good as i think they are? Or are the banks nail guns sad good as Hitachi

>>2509622
Paid promotion? Like when a movie has every character driving Volkswagens and there’s a very prominent shot of the front of the car as they’re pulling up to the next scene.

>>2506375
it's totally fine OP

yep. i wouldn't worry about it

>>2506375
>>2506375
>Is it really that bad?
nah, its worse

>>2509627
It wasn't up front and in your face, it was in the back and was more of glimpse

>>2506375
I bought my automotive tools from there and have some Hercules impacts for weekend wrenching.

idk fellas, copped some good shit off HF
>auger and bits
>various assorted drill bits
>masonry chisel
>garden equipment
>nitrile gloves
>batteries
>hand truck
>rag clothes
etc
just get yer powertools from Makita or DeWalt or others and get the cheapies and other dispensable from HF
simple as

if i need a basic cheap hammer and some paintbrushes im sure as shit not buying them from ace

>>2506436
>>2506553

My dad's a master mechanic and keeps harbor freight tools in his kit specifically so that he can abuse them without worrying. He can always get his money back or a new tool, so fuck it, use them however you want.

>>2506380
thank GAWSH they take all deliveries by bicycle.

>>2509473

HF garbage bags are just as good as the Husky ones for $10 less.

>>2506375
I dont prefer them but when I need to kit out my shop and the alternatives cost 5x-10x as much I can deal with a lesser quality.

>>2506564
If thats how they treated me then I would just never use their products again out of principle. Not that I buy snapon anyways because its a fucking scam and the lowes/home depot in house brand is just as good and a fraction of the price.
Answer this, why would you buy an expensive tool when you plan to abuse it (your words) when you could buy something cheap that would have the same effect? Why would you abuse an expensive tool versus a cheapo that you can replace easily?
Even if you DIDNT plan on abusing it, why would you spend the extra money anyways?

Ive seen the price of strap-on tools, literally 5x as much as anything else. $300 for a socket set or $40 for a socket set from a hardware store?
Be real, strap-on offers no real advantage over other tools, it is there soley for jackoff shop owners who are too lazy to go buy their own tools and have the money to tolerate being fucked in the ass.

>>2506895
Id be more embarressed about owning a golden turd. Function over form any day.

>>2506895
Snap-on should have overhaul kits available and they're not complicated. Nobody cares what pneumatic tools you use and many paint shops buy Harbor Freight spray guns to use and discard since they cost what a rebuild kit for a Binks does

>>2506910
>there is nothing different from 90s craftsman and today desu -

Their ratchet mechanisms went to shit when they cheapened the brand. (t.buying tools since the 1970s fr fr no cap)

>>2510892
>Be real, strap-on offers no real advantage over other tools, it is there soley for jackoff shop owners who are too lazy to go buy their own tools and have the money to tolerate being fucked in the ass.

Not for hobby use but for industrial users, heavy equipment mechanics, and military the price is a trifle in return for the tough, fine toothed ratchets and general higher quality hobbyists don't need or really see in intermittent use. For example in aircraft maintenance the subtle differences matter. For automotive use their big advantage is specialty tools. In those leagues the cost is not only no big deal but nearly irrelevant.

I was in an interesting position to compare and contrast since the Air Force went from crap tools from the GSA catalog to the SCIT program where we systematically bought higher quality tools. I've wrenched all sorts of shit since the 1970s besides aircraft. I rarely buy Snap-on for personal use and don't advise anyone without a known professional need for them to bother but they and Mac/Proto/etc have a legit role at the high end where not breaking matters. (Fun fact, our government Snap-on rep said Marines destroy more tools than the other services.)

>>2506999
i work at harbor freight too

I don’t buy cordless power tools there but I’ve had okay results with their hand tools.

I have the 1/2” drive impact sockets and they’re okay. I also have a couple pairs of their version of the “Big Azz” Channel Locks and they’ve been good to me. I always go there for nitrile gloves.

I’m considering getting a dual bevel miter saw from HF but I’m sure that the price would be similar to the Ridgid/Dewalt/Makita equivalent I could buy at Home Depot or Lowe’s.

>>2510892
We get it, you are poor

They Just spent $300 there today. Love it.
Hazard fraught is like Taurus. A company that boomer snobs disrespect and ignore because they buy USA made. At least that's what they tell themselves. In reality they are delusional.

>>2511194
Well ,marines are generally confused by anything they can't break ,lose or fuck..

I only buy quality tools. Don’t want people seeing me using ryobi or craftsman poor ppl tools. The tools you use and own speak volumes about your integrity. You don’t see a pro using buffalo tools and you’ll never see trailer trash using snap on. Losers