/diy/ - Do It Yourself

I don't understand. That'd solve the problem.

Because normalfags are afraid zombies might happen.

why don't you finish reading the 3 little pigs and stop building your houses out of fucking sticks before you go full on molemen.

>>248178
>implying flying bricks won't just kill more people

>>248182
Heh.
But you have to use cement, not glue, damn it.

>>248173
This is a question I've been asking since childhood, but nobody had given me an answer that makes sense.

>>248182

>Implying a tornado can dismantle a brick wall and that bricks can be blown about at any reasonably value for windspeeds on earth.

>>248191
are you handicapped?

>>248188

People like sunlight. A lot people dont like enclosed areas

no one wants to live in a bunker.

Probably cost. Hell, half those dumb fucks live in double wides. If they could afford an underground lair, and not blow the money on bootleg whiskey and meth, they would probably move to someplace thats not a fucking shithole first.

why the fuck build anything in tornado valley ?
chances are like ... yeah your house gon go down son
and then up up up and scattered throughout the county

>>248209
I disagree, I would.

>>248211
Second. It would be hella expensive.
And I use hella to make my point.

>>248211
You know, there are poor people who are only poor because of medical bills, disability, or because their Social Security check that they worked hard to earn isn't worth shit. Maybe if you weren't so spoiled and privileged, you'd know this.

>>248173
#1 there are earth quakes there also
#2 it costs ALOT more to build
#3 most people don't want to live under ground
#4 most people like sun light

>>248212
It's "alley", retard. There's no valley on the plains. And if you're going to use that logic, you might as well not build anywhere--what with earthquakes, hurricanes, flooding, etc.

>>248191
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oABINTjmIGk

>>248173
you live there? why dont you do it? better yet, do it yourself!

>>248238
none of these conditions exist in space.

>>248191
A tornado can impale fire hydrants with tree limbs, I am fairly certain that it can whip around a few bricks.

Building underground is expensive. You also have to worry about humidy and pests. (I have a severe problem with both, but then again I don't think my house was well sealed.)

Building a good solid dome house (actual dome, not geodesic) could be fairly strong and more cost effective.

However, there are several abandoned missile silos in Kansas, though I don't think any are for sale currently.

>>248234
And I feel bad for all 6 of them. The other lazy fat fucks can deal with it.

>>248408
By "actual dome" I meant monolithic dome, best if made with concrete.

I personally have thought about making a large monolithic dome with much of the dwelling below ground. I then would cover the top with sod, so in essence would be a hobbit house. I'd likely have shutters for the windows as well.

Tornadoes do hit, but you're more likely to encounter hail and strong winds.

spiders

>>248173

because it's way cheaper to insure the home and get a free house if it blows away rather than putting it underground.

300x275

nice thumbnail OP

>>248234
>>248234
they are poor because they have kids and don't have the means to pay for them

a married couple with no kids could easily get by on minimum wage, even on the coasts

Because tornado alley consists of some of the poorest states.

high water table

Shit, man, I'd love a 75% underground home. I can only assume it's because they'd be expensive as shit to build.

>>248473

Expensive dark caves with moisture problems, very difficult to sell (at good price, that is) when you want to move.

>>248456

We can live for $2320 a month before taxes? Easily? "On the coasts?"

Missouri-tornado alleyfag here.

Most people in this thread are hating on your midwest neighbors. Let me ask what your natural disasters are and how often do you fear about living there?

Tornados occur early to mid spring and a good one hits about every other year. I've personally been in two. Indirectly had 5 do some impact on friends/family within 100 miles over 28 years of being on this world. You prepare and deal with it. Had to lay in ditches when stuck out in the open. Shit happens, mostly its overrate fear... Then a Joplin,MO tornado occurs and it becomes justified again. Unless you rather worry about hurricanes, fires, earthquakes, etc?

I just recently put a storm cellar on some cabin lake property. Several reasons have been said above about why it's difficult... Humidity for one, there is also a misconception that this part of the country is mostly farmland. It is actually rather rocky and hard to dig. Some partial underground houses exist, but are a rarity.

>>248408

Some missle silos exist, but remember about a decade ago when they dug most of the minutemen out? The big thing was they completely removed the silo and left the materials out so the Russian satalites could see we were holding up on our end of the arms treaty.

A big problem with renovating silos, I think most of the ones on the market are for Titans, is dealing with potential EPA bullshit from hazardous materials. So you'd have to find one already cleaned and furbished for habitation, and that'd make an already expensive proposition much more expensive.
I've wanted to live in a missile silo since I was atalented /diy/erbut I'll never be a billionaire so I've just got a shitty condo.

>>248506
Another Missourian here, MO soil sucks ass balls. Fucking rocks and clay errywhere. I'm about halfway between Joplin and Springfield, and have seen more than a few tornadoes pass by when I lived with my parents. There was that massive one that went through several rural towns a couple years ago, we could easily see that, but we couldn't really do anything. After that my dad put in a storm shelter. It fills with water constantly and has to be pumped out.

The problem is that the ground is really porous and it's hard to really properly seal water out unless you spend a ton of monies on getting it done right.

All this being said it'd be fuckawesome to have a tunnel system under a house.

>>248525

Truth. Lived near and around the area many years. Tornados should be feared, but are considered a nuisance. Something to scare visitors, like chiggers (small red tick like parasite.)

I do mechanical engineering in the area. Utility tunnels and underground mechanical rooms exist in large government and corporate buildings. However they require dedicated sump pumps to controll water.

>>248212
> why the fuck build anything in tornado valley ?

You're absolutely right! The answer is to abandon half the fucking country!

The reason not.
People like lawns.

>>248173
Because we're not troglodytes or burrowing animals. People need to live above ground in the sunshine and fresh air. Living underground all the time would be extremely depressing to most people, and they'd become chronically ill from it. This isn't even to mention the problems with living in a hole in the ground, where heavier-than-air gasses would tend to collect, and where flooding would be a constant problem in the winter, and the expense.

>>248550
Yeah, no. In the middle of the desert in Aus, we have underground homes because of the crippling heat.

There are few problems.
1. Not many people have the mental health to stay underground. Even if you have TV's imitating windows, sun light lamps (imitates suns color),
2. It is not a good model for the GOVERNMENT (inb4 tinfoil hat) and insurance agencies, builders etc.
Imagine building subdivisions that can withstand tornadoes as if nothing is going on.
3. Not cheap to begin with but since the houses would be underground fully or partially would mean that geothermal heating and cooling could apply, so your A/C bill would be maybe third what is now.
4. Police raid in a concrete bunker would be impossible

And so on. Think of it this way, wooden houses are fairly fast to build, but last only few decades, I know in Europe there is a wooden church from 11th century that still stands. HOWEVER, the houses are not being build from solid OAK.

My personal solution/idea is to build a ranch home (1 story) with 2 to 3 stories underground. Thanks to modern technology you can get sun light via optic fibers even underground. There is a company that makes the system, not cheap, but definitely cheaper than rebuilding a house.

I actually own a pretty large bunker which I'm re-purposing into a small data center. Having some problems though with finding one of my exhaust pipes on top of the mountain. It was plugged at top level with one meter of concrete and two meters of dirt on top of that.
Since a few years have gone by since then, nature has done its job and grown plants and trees leaving no trace of the exhaust exit. Does anyone know how to find something top side if you know where its at underground?

>>248569
>Police raid in a concrete bunker would be impossible

or just start flooding it with something.

>>248581
Basic math and deduction...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunnel_of_Eupalinos

>>248588
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haidao_suanjing
A good book on surveying.

>>248588

Only hard part is that it´s pretty much a maze of tunnels and blast corridors before you get to it.

>>248591
Depending on how long the tunnels are, would this work?

>>248599

Well the top is pretty flat, but the mountain sides are very steep so I would need a very tall pole to place if I'm measuring. Not sure if it matters, but the tunnels them selves are also "leaning downwards".

>>248602
Abandoned mine? For the exterior elevation you can always use a laser rangefinder and forgo the ghetto pole setup, but in the tunnel you're probably screwed in the sense of endless triangle calculations depending on how long and twisty. The downward slope isn't a problem either. Just more triangles and measurements.
This bunker is interesting... how can I purchase one?

>>248581
i would look in to pushing a low frequency rf beacon up the exhaust pipe from underneath with some light plastic water pipe. Then use a direction finding yagi to seek the rf signal from above. RF signals around audio frequencies can travel through the earth for hundreds of miles and are in use for submarine communications so all you might need would be a mp3 player and a matched antenna hooked to the headphone jack.

>>248211
This.
>>248234
Woah fella, simmer down there.

>>248606

I got it for cheap, roughly $200k, old cold war bunker, built to survive direct hit from 2mt nuke blast. Its located in a pure granite mountain so I'm bunker buster safe ;)

Complex is around 4500m2 with half of it being a "hangar" like room and the other with a 4 story structure with 24 bedrooms, command central, lecture hall, dining hall, water wells, waste facilities, etc.

>>248607

But wouldn't the signal scatter if it can go through all the materials? Would be hard to pinpoint the exact place right?

>>248607
Interesting. I figured there was some fancy way with some sort of EM signal to do it. Forget my year's worth of calculations.

>>248612
I am jelly. That's an insanely good deal for that much square footage, and the fact that it's blasted out granite. All the ones one missilebases.com are over $200k. Willing to share the realtor or website? I'd surely like to see what else they have.

>>248621

It was auctioned off by the Swedish Bureau of Fortifications (Fortifikationsverket). They sell maybe 2-4 bunkers per year. I know that my "sister bunker" located a few miles down will go for sale next year.

>>248209
Fuck you. I'd love it.
I'd build my own house and make it underground if the dumbfuck building regulations didn't fuck that plan up the ass.

>>248637
Just, do it anyways man. I mean, get some land in the country side, and do it up. No one will know.

That's my plan.

>>248607

Something like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RojLu5o9Fhk

>>248617
I don't know about signal scatter. I imagine since the point source is already underground there is nothing more to reflect off.
>>248645
yea the same idea. here's the soundcard receiver that i had read about:http://www.vlf.it/harald/strangerec.htm
The idea would be to transmit using a similar antenna.

I SHALL MINECRAFT THIS!

Beause people tend to get rather down when they don't have natural lighting.
That, and permits, watertable, etc.

ITT: people who don't read a thread before posting.

Here's the answer.
>>248236

>implying an underground house needs to be expensive, dark, and wet

http://www.undergroundhousing.com/book.html

Buy it or download it, faggots. This is my dream house.

>>248525
Springfield has some mined-out caves that would be fuck-awesome living space for all sorts of contingencies.
There are a few up here in KC, too, currently being used as storage for government archives and (no joke) the last batch of Atari 2600 games made.

>>250134
Caves are usually pretty damp, but if one planned for that by using waterproof materials it might be a decent place to live. Finding one large enough that's available to buy would be the issue, I think.

>>250138
These might be a little different than what you're thinking.

>>250139
It is yes, but it also looks fairly expensive, and the planning that goes into building in a cave on a large scale would be fairly extensive. As far as tornado proofing goes, building a community shelter in a cave like that seems like it'd make more sense than individual houses.

i'm going to say its stupidly expensive, environmentally retarded, and generally a bad idea. i saw a town that was utterly destroyed by tornado and still hardly anyone was killed. so get over the mindless materialism (or buy your insurance, or leave the area) and get on with life

>>248254
You're right. But in space, you have to deal with solar flares, radiation storms, micrometeors, expensive building costs, no gravity, and food/water limitations.

I'll take my chances on Earth, thank you.

>>250139
Is this dwarf fortress 1.0?

>>248546
>Tornado alley
>includes Minnesota and New York

Suuuuuuuuuuuure.

Pic related.

>>248173

Costs to much, cheaper to simply let the tornado wreck a street of houses than it is to bury them all along with the infrastructure.

At some point I wouldn't be surprised in there was something proactively done about the weather to stop them from forming though. Just have to learn more about them and develop technology for it.

>>250152
your map is lacking

>>248211
>privilege

not in my /diy/

>>248506
Californian here.

I will take my earthquakes over tornadoes any day.

We don't get hurricanes and earthquakes are only an issue if you are dumb enough to live in a non-earthquake-proofed building on a fault line.

Fires mostly affect Orange County because it's a bunch of wealthy retards pretending to live somewhere that isn't just a luxurious desert.

>>250352

All fun and games untill The Big One comes along and swallows you all.

>>250352
And this is why I live in the northwest. No tornadoes, no earthquakes, no blizzards, no hurricanes....we um...we had a volcano blow up once? Thats pretty much it.

>>250398
We had a thunderstorm over here on the islands last night. Haven't even had one of those in a long time.

For the same reason they live in trailers and don't have basements, all of tornado alley is also flood zoned.

Having lived in Coober Pedy (central aus), I can tell you the whole point of an underground house is to escape extreme heat. A state in the US like Arizona or New Mexico would have the kind of terrain where people would want to make underground houses, dependant on soil stability and if the area is earthquake prone. Underground communities only really work because people only leave their homes to work or to visit other places, and people there don't really WANT sunlight simply because the average temperate is somewhere between hot and fucking hot.

>>250693
Where I live in the states it was 105F and 87% humidity the past 2 days. It's the kind of weather that your sweat can't cool you because the humidity is too high so it just pours off you.

I had to sit with a cold water wet towel around my head and my feet in old cat liter buckets full of cold water while I worked on my PC. FYI, cat litter buckets here are square and feet fit better in them than rounded 5-gallon buckets.

The entire time, I was thinking I should have some underground bunker to escape this heat. It happens every summer like this. This thread makes me realize that I'll be installing a small living space/room in my future cellar house.