/diy/ - Do It Yourself

Map(s)?

>>246649
I could (and maybe should), but I'd like think I know this area and the surrounding woods incredibly well. I hike them most weekends.

What I should probably do is have a map for anything further then 15-20 miles as then I don't know the area so well.

>>246652
Maps of increasingly larger areas will help, just because you know the surrounding woods really well doesn't mean you will find everything you need there, or it will be okay to go to, you may have to travel farther into places you don't know. Also, a notepad/book for writing in and some pens/pencils, because you will want to write new things you discover/learn

>>246625
Can I ask what the condoms are for?

obligatory inb4 sex.

smith and wusson make shit tier knives, they are made in china with shit steel and even the ones they made in the US used shit materials, they jumped on the mall ninja bandwagon with their homeland security bullshit knives.

they are really terrible and not suitable to count on when really needed.

>>246625
>Extra shoe laces
>paracord
This is redundant, you can use paracord as shoe laces, in fact that is a good way to always have some on you.

>tennis ball
Why?

>Can opener
>Two cans of corn beef hash
This is a poor way to pack food for a B.O.B. because the weight to food ratio sucks.

>Two liters of water
Add more water and several ways of purifying and storing water.

> Wouxun HT
YES. I have one in my B.O.B. (also a Ham), great cheap emergency radio.

>>246887
good point on the shoe laces, still the weight is basically nothing so they stay in the bag.

why not on the tennis ball? I can imagine points where I'm sitting around doing nothing and would wanna play catch with myself. No reason other than that.

the food is for the first day only, the traps are for the rest. But, what would you suggest?

yup, you know about the HT.

>>246880
well sex, but also can be used to hold water.

>>246886
what do you recommend in its place?


anyone else care to share what's in their bags?

>>246654
>notepad/book for writing in and some pens/pencils

great idea, adding to bag.

>>246928
Condoms are a terrible way of storing or carrying water. I tried this for kicks with some buddies... They're a pain in the ass to fill, and they will burst fairly easily when they're full.

>>247013
well then just sex, just cause the shit hit the fan doesn't mean I don't wanna get laid..

I'm in a group, so I'm going to be sacrificing a lot of equipment to gain one HIGHLY versatile piece of equipment in my bugout bag : An HF radio.

>>247031
I wish I had the room for an hf in my bag, but they're heavy and need batteries.

>>247031
Though I can't afford a dedicated manpack, PRC-320s are kinda pricey, which sucks, because they're such a cheap "green" radio.

I'll probably end up with a beater FT857 or FT817.

>>247031

Get a SINCGARS E or F model, its like a third that size.

>>247098
SINCGARS is a VHF manpack.

A modern example of an HF manpack would be the PRC-1099A.

I read "tennis ball" and realized I never planned a way to keep myself occupied. Good idea.

>>247038

I would think one of those would be more useful than a manpack radio.

Especially if you unlocked more of the bands for RX/TX. I know it's possible for CB and business VHF bands.

A pistol and plenty of ammo, obviously

>>247118
a pistol ? wtf. your better off with a .22 rifle than any caliber pistol. and the weight difference ain't even that much. bringing a gun at all is a bad idea IMO, just leads to dangerous situations.

>>247304
No.

>>246887
>>246928
If it's real paracord (not the cheap stuff), swap your laces out now. I've used the same set on a few pairs of shoes already, there's a little melting from where they rub, but no breaks yet. Tried cheap cord, it only lasted about 6 months

Ah, the ol' bug-out bag.
Classic example of cart before the horse thinking.
What you might need is determined by what you are expecting to need to flee from, where you plan to go, how you plan to survive once you get there, and for how long.

For example, OP, you have a can opener and multiple ways to start a fire, but less than a day's worth of calories.
Are you planning to bug out to a supermarket?

>>246928
>what do you recommend in its place?
Mora. Cheap and awesome. More than what you will need. Sky's the limit when it comes to knives, but a Mora will do you fine.

>>247332
No, I obviously plan to flee to the woods where I would then be using the snares to catch small animals in this area.

I'd switch the hatchet with a second knife, a big one. You can hit that on the back with a piece of wood and chop wood like that, plus it weighs less and has a wider range of different uses. Think about what you really need: You're not going to build a log cabin just outside of NYC in a 72 hour situation.

Which brings me to my next point. Imagine an SHTF situation just outside of NYC. People will possibly be leaving urban areas in panic, and as you mentioned 9/11: The big cities are always more vulnerable to attacks. What I'm aiming at is that you will probably have to leave your well-known 15 mile area in the first day to evade from fleeing masses, from the city. Hiding out in a forest just outside a city like that? Not going to help you a lot.

Also, I'd recommend another pair of socks, if not three, and fresh boxershorts. I don't know your background regarding hiking but let me tell you this: By the time your feet start to hurt and swell, you develop blisters and rub open the skin between your toes due to constant moisture, you're pretty much finished. Think about how far you can walk at a high speed with fucked up feet.

Lastly, and that's more of a personal attitude of mine, ditch the alcohol, the ball and the condoms. You're putting this bag together to get out of a highly dangerous situation, are you? Then leave your toys at home boy, this is not going to be the time for drinking, playing around or getting laid. My two cents

>>247325
Already did. The extra laces are the original ones from my boots.

>>247332
this guy knows his shit. 2 cans, 1 can opener. at least thow the can opener, you have knife you dont need a can opener for 2 cans.

The same with the nail cutter. what can it do that your knife cant do? or better yet a multitool.

But again, only the guy who makes the bag, knows what he is going to use it for.

>>247352
I hike about 10 miles every weekend, id imagine I could do double that in a day if push came to shove.

I kind of need the rum, im a little a fraid of what would happen if I had to go a week without a a drink.

>>247354
Why is this asshole even carrying cans? Get some MREs and have an adequate caloric intake, less weight and much longer shelf life.

>>247358
What are you talking about? Cans have basically an unlimited shelf life and can stand all kinds of temp changes. The same cant at all be said about MREs...

>>247356
So what you're saying is you're not sure if you're an alcoholic or not. At this point we could discuss what preparedness really means, but let's not. I'm just saying do it right, or don't do it at all and preparing for something like that but keeping up an addiction at the same time is not taking it serious I think. Keeping your mind focused might save your life!

>>247352
im with this guy in some points, if SHTF happens, it doesnt mean that you are not going to have roads anymore, maybe the safest thing you could do, depending on the situation, it will be, take you car and drive as fas as you can, lets think, that a flood is coming, biological weapon, or any other kind of shit that requires inmediate evacuation of the city. then your 15 mile well know radius is fucked.

And get rid of the cans, you need higher calorie intake,

>>247438
Im not worried about a flood, we have points that are over 400 feet elevation here. A flood wont bother me when im up high like that.

The problem with something that needs a total evacuation is I simply dont trust the roads at that point. Everyone will be on them, there will be accidents, people doing all kinds of retarded things. I dont want to die in my car.

Condoms are useful (not just for sex), get unlubed florescent colors to inflate for emergency signal, (neon green shows up from a distance), reenforce with a sock to hold water, cut the tip off to slip around an appendage waterproofing/sealing a wound, use a few to makeshift a slingshot/spring trap. Condoms are standard survival gear for good reasons.

As for food on long hikes I keep red winter wheat, a plastic wide mouth bottle, and a thermos in my pack. I use the bottle to sprout a handful of seeds, on the top of my pack. Once little green sprouts pop out, put them in the thermos with boiling water, seal up a leave in pack. Fully cooks an hour later. It makes an oatmeal like super food that has everything your body needs in an easy to absorb mix (real good when hiking/running for your life), handful of trail mix and a sprinkle of coconut cream powder it's really good. Protein, carbs, micro-nutrients, etc... good stuff. A weeks supply fits in one hand, just add water. Real easy once the sprout cycle is established (+/- 20 hours) Drink the sprout rinse water with emergen-C, better than sports drink. One more reason seeds are better then bullets.

>>247468
I've never heard of that before... Tell me more, like where did you learn it, how long have you been doing it... Etc.

Learned about "pocket sprout farms" and red winter wheat from a survival forum a few years ago. It is a staple of mine now, screw ramen noodles. When I talk about surviving off of sprouts I don't mean the wispy grass on a hippy sandwich. I mean just the little green bits popping out of the kernels then make a gruel like soup, (it can be sweat like oat meal, or add some spices and jerky and it's like beef and barley stew). Thermos cooking is pretty backpacking standards, great technique for bugging out, five minutes to boil water on a penny stove, dump and run. Dried wheat is light weight, takes a little less than a day to germinate in a back pack. It's really best to use two bottles to stagger sprouting to ensure a harvest. Takes a few extra minutes to rinse the seed bottles when you stop to check your feet/catch a breath. Save the water to drink or cook with (good stuff in there). The coconut cream powder is my extra addition, good fats, super light weight. Like I said week of rations in the palm of your hand. Mankind has been wandering the earth with bags of seed tied to there belts a lot longer than MREs or canned goods have been around. Think our diets are historically based on meat?
Just sayin

Don't forget lentils are a bean that doesn't need to be soaked so they can be cooked with your rice. An other good thermos cooking recipe. If you don't wrap it all in a wet rag under the buried coals you slept on ninja style.
For OP I suggest replacing the rum with ever clear like pure alcohol. You can water down the same flask for twice as much drink (to keep "the terribles" away), in concentrate form it's a disinfectant, fire starter/fuel, and just "more bang for your buck" weight ratio wise. An other backpacking staple keep it with the cook stove/gear no one questions it.
And I have to agree with replacing the axe with a bowie knife much more uses.
Personally for me blades/tools I use a Multitool (with good fixed blade, solid file, sharp scissors and an awl), Bowie knife, and (someday soon) a heavy duty chopping shovel w/ hammer head.

fishing hooks/line, superglue, silk thread, magnet, candle, magnifying glass, good tweezers, sharp point scissors, sandpaper/cloth, whistle

Just a few more things, could add more if you like.

>>247501
wow dude, you're opening my eyes to something ive never even heard of before...

>>247501
I used to eat that red winter wheat cooked overnight in a thermos, but I never sprouted it. Just put it into boiling water in a thermos and left overnight.

>>247510
>>247599
if either of you are still around, where do you buy your wheat?

>>248121
try the site http://www.bulkfoods.com/ - no idea if their prices are high.
One of my buddies swears by http://www.thereadystore.com/

>>248121
i got mine from whole foods

>>248127
that readystore place seems pretty good. They have a 5 gallon bucket filled with 50 lbs of red winter wheat vacuum sealed in a mylar bag for only 60 bucks.

I think I'll spring for a couple and stick em in the garage, just in case.

You should pack a small fishing kit - just line and hooks. You can use the line for extra cordage.

A pocket sewing kit is also a good idea.

A BOB is great...as a weight to pull you underwater when the Flood hits in '13. I'll be laughing as I paddle past your waterlogged corpses in my floating cart. Don't believe me though, I'm the "crazy" guy.

>>248152
I love doomsday prepers

>>248152
why can't you put a bug out bag into the cart?

>>248160
Because it's my cart, fuckbag. Get your own.

>>246625
Hey OP, does it count if it's built into a belt?

This is why I live in a flyover state: nothing but farmland or forest for a thousand miles in any direction. Good luck with your evacuation plans and shlepping 200lbs of survival gear on your back.

>>248225

lrn2cart

>>248129
>>248127
thanks and thanks

>>248233
This you?

Having nothing but mylar blankets for more than one or two nights is a bad idea. You need something better, at least a sleeping bag or a wool blanket.

>>247468
For the sprouting of the red winter wheat, what do you do? You just dampen the wheat and then put it in the plastic bottle? Or put the wheat in the bottle and put a bit of water in there? How much water?

Main compartment has 3 t-shirts, 1 pair of jeans, 1 pair of shorts, 1 sweatshirt, 4 pairs of socks, 3 pairs of boxers, 1 bandana, 1 beanie.
Also holds T60 Thinkpad + charger.

Not in pic:
>flashlight
>Leatherman multitool + Bit Drivers
>mylar thermal blankets
>Gloves
>Backpacking Camp Stove + Fuel
>USB Solar Charger
>50ft of paracord
>Pocket Sharpener
>Water Purifier
>First Aid + Save a Tooth Kit
>Utensils
>Magnesium Fire Starter
>Compass
>Steel 40oz canteen

Only thing I dont have is some sort of food supply.

>>248286
I'd like to know that too...

>>248297
why all the tech, won't it just weight you down?

Again with the mylar blankets. They will keep you alive (but that's about it) and even then only until they get shredded to hell. Prepare to be ravaged by sleep deprivation unless you know how to make suitable bedding from materials you can scavenge, unless you plan on trading the laptop to someone who has a good sleeping bag. That would save space, I guess.

>>248336
weighs about 20lbs
When its on my back its really not that bad. And I do hours of walking/hiking with it every week.

>>248339
>They will keep you alive (but that's about it)
I loled

But ya, I also have a swag.
For those who dont know, its a sleepingbag that rolls out of a small dufflebag and also can be strung up the become a tent. (waterproof and windproof of course)

http://www.charity.org.au/p/6645777/buy-for-me---backpack-bed-swag.html
Expensive, But one of the best Ive seen online.

>>248343
not all swags are like that of course, but thats the type I have.
Strap it to the bottom or top of my backpack or can also use the shoulder strap.

Nothing to see here, just me and my superior bug out cart. You kids and your bags...it's cute, really.

>>248369
pretty cool
Do you just pull it yourself? Or can it be hooked to a bike?
Maybe with some bigger wheels, you could hook it to a quad or motorcycle.

When I'm perched up on the high ground with a .308 the jackass hauling a cart on his back is going to make a real nice score.

>>248375

Since I've been following you for days, I'd just shoot you with my .309 from the perch while you're looting the dead guy and take both your shit.

>>248379
Since Im locked inside my underground safehouse with a lifetime supply of guns, ammo, food & water, I'll simply watch you from satellite, smile, and then go check on my hydroponic garden.

>>248379
LOL, but seriously, in a SHTF scenario a bunch of sane people would band together and brutally slaughter the wannabe Rambos who post on /k/ saying they're going to rob and murder everybody for their canned beans

>>248369
just out of curiosity, what do you carry in your cart?
like, the shit inside the bags and containers

>>248384
you mean I have to put stuff INSIDE the bags and containers?

I haven't thought this plan through all the way yet

>>248384
squeezy-cheese

>>248384
ketchup, mostly

>>248379
>.309
confirmed noguns
>implying my x54r wont split your wig

>>248392
I think the .309 was just meant for lulz

I think I'd carry my .44 magnum and bring along my old .308 bolt action. Things sooo fucking accurate.
But I also think I should carry a compact bow with arrows. Ammo becoming scarce and all that...

>>248399
isn't it past your bedtime, little dude?

>>248401
>contemplates comeback
>cant think of one
>head explodes
>flesh everywhere
>dog starts to chew at shredded penis
>dog cums
>cum everywhere
>everyone starts to dance
>turn on tv and take a bite of Nickleback while stroking my oxygen and smelling the diamond that is now embedded in my asshole
>start to sing along
>begin to cry
>begin to cum from my ears
>its not too late
>its never too late

You will never achieve this level of perfection.

You will never achieve this level of perfection.

bumping for more pics
pics are interesting...

>>248432
maxpedition masterrace

but the cart is loud as fuck

>>248449

Check the camo wheels, this baby is near invisible.

>>248432

pull the handle and the flash light pops off. fucking genius design there.

I'm still interested on how to sprout the red winter wheat in a bottle... ?

This thread:
>"I know something bad is gonna happen, but I'll be prepared with my bug-out bag!"
"Dude, why don't you preposition supplies where you're planning to go? Bury a month's worth of food, blankets, tent, and everything else you think you might need."
>"But.. but... my BAG!"

Enjoy your bag-shaped wubbie, it'll keep you safe.

>>248526
except not a single person in this thread said anything at all like that...

>>248528
that is the subtext of every single bug-out bag thread
the bag is a talisman to ward off nebulous evil
if you seriously, honestly think the shit is going to hit the fan, why the hell would you not decide where you are going to go and cache supplies there?
maybe MAYBE a few skilled and lucky individuals could survive alone in the woods with just the contents of a backpack for an extended time
but if shit really hits, the woods will be crawling with other refugees and you will never see a deer or anything else you can eat
what is the obsession with trying to cram one bag with everything?
shit's calm now, go find your place, go dig a cache, preposition, i.e. be realistic
>"I have two cans of corned beef hash, so from day two on, if I can't find food I starve."
great plan

See if you can get your hands on some millitary field rations? like 2 day meals and you got all you need

>>248528
Just so I don't come off like a heartless bastard dismissing your concerns, here is what should be in a bug-out bag:
1. food and water sufficient to last until you arrive at your destination
2. weapons to defend yourself en route
3. medical supplies
4. anything perishable you need/want to bring
5. unique or expensive items that cannot be prepositioned (passport & other documents, pricey electronics, etc)

Packing a wire snare in your bug-out bag is pointless.
You are not stopping on your escape to trap a rabbit, you're getting the fuck out of Dodge. The snares should already be at your destination.

I am another who doubts that a bug-out bag would really be very useful.

the most important things to have in a widespread disaster situation however,,,,,,, is a few hundred dollars cash (mixed bills) and a motor vehicle + ~300 miles of fuel for it. If you live near the ocean or a major river, that could be a boat instead of a car.

There has not been one single disaster in the world in the last 100 years, that you could not escape by only driving 300 miles away. IF you had the vehicle, and the fuel already.

>>248529
>great plan
Better than:
>"I have nothing prepared right now, from now on, if I can't find food, I'll starve"

The purpose of a BOB is so you can get to your safe area or cache should something happen.

>>248539
>The purpose of a BOB is so you can get to your safe area or cache should something happen.
Yes.
Which means:
>Estwing hatchet
>Can opener
>Nail cutter
>Extra shoe laces
>One hundred feet of paracord
>Three carabiners
>Canteen and cup
>Bottle of iodine
>Magnesium firestarter bar
>Box of waterproof matches
>Film canister filled with cotton balls covered in >petroleum jelly
>A tennis ball
>A few condoms
>Flask filled with dark rum
>Five wire snares
>Pocket mirror
...have no place in your bag.

>>248543
That really depends on how far his cache is and the methods of transportation available to him at the time.

>>248543

if you only pack enough in your B.O.B. to reach your cache then if anything delays you or messes with your cache you are screwed.

realistically you need a minimum of 3 caches and enough in your B.O.B. to reach the 3rd if the first two arent viable.

you hope for the best, plan for the worst.

while i agree that many things like nail clippers and a tennis ball are a bad idea, a flask of alcohol is a very good tool(not rum however take something like everclear).

>tfw my bob is full of nothing but speculation

"There has not been one single disaster in the world in the last 100 years, that you could not escape by only driving 300 miles away. IF you had the vehicle, and the fuel already."

BINGO! We have a winner!

Get a concealable pistol and a concealed weapon permit if possible. A small first aid kit, and some Vagisil is useful too.

You will be marching and your crotch will chafe. The classic Army ruck march trick is to Vagisil your sack etc before marching for long distances. Vaseline works too.

Break in your boots.

Have spare glasses if you wear them.

>>248526
>>248529
People like you don't seem to get the actual purpose of such a bag. It's only to last you a maximum of threee days. Actually you are supposed to plan an evacuation route with friends, family etc so you have a place where you can reunite and work together from there as a group. This could be a place where you have buried or stored supplies in some way, of course. The bag is NOT a Bear Grylls survival tool made to withstand a nuclear holocaust and repopulate the earth. You put it together so you can get safely and healthy through two to three days until things cool off or you get to your survival refuge. I always think of disasters like Katrina: Sitting on your roof without anything with nobody coming to help for three days - OR sitting on your roof with a gallon of clean water, a blanket, your passport and maybe a gun to protect you. Sounds a lot better doesn't it?

tl;dr Don't understand the BOB as an ultimate wilderness survival tool, but just a little help to get you through the roughest first phase of a disaster.

>>249072
>People like you don't seem to get the actual purpose of such a bag. It's only to last you a maximum of threee days.
People like you apparently can't read, because that's exactly what I said.

>>249073
I think you said that a bug out bag is useless and that you would focus on building a refuge:

>Enjoy your bag-shaped wubbie, it'll keep you safe.
>what is the obsession with trying to cram one bag with everything?
shit's calm now, go find your place, go dig a cache, preposition

>>249081
forgot to greentext last row

>>249081
see:
>>248534

I would add a Needle some thread. It can always be helpful and could possibly safe your life in case you slip and cut yourself or something similar.